/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL
Voluntary fascism edition
This thread is for the discussion of capitalism, libertarianism, conservatism, anarcho-capitalism and the PHYSICAL REMOVAL of COMMUNIST FAGS from our board of peace.
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first for friendship
There is no fascist libertarian friendship, fascists want to "nationalise" industries, libertarians want to deregulate.
Hey there lefty
fascists don't know that that's what fascist means
we'll lie and tell them they agree with us.
True, but we share many common interests. We're both pro-sovereignty, pro-gun, pro-Europe, anti-EU and anti-communism. There are even more overlaps between Hoppean libertarians and fascists. Pro-family, pro-tradition, anti-homosexuality etc.
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Uh you sure? I know of one fascist who explicitly stayed the fuck out of the economic affairs of his country.
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Y u mean?
I understand left libertarianism, in fact it has more in common with fascism than ancap does easily, that doesn't make me a lefty. Left libertarianism makes most sense with the fascist idea of cells or sub groups of society and the idea is basically to do the opposite of what Marxists did to the family/community/church.
Ancap, the only libertarianism Sup Forums is okay with, at best creates syndicates.
Fascism is actually a broad philosophy, which is why plenty of fascist states are just authoritarian centrism.
Literally all reactionary issues, everyone not wilfully ignorant for revolutionary reasons, believes all that, everyone else has brainwashed themselves. Why are lefties so obsessed with brainwashing and social engineering? That's right, because that's the only way extreme leftism works.
Fascist elements, not really a fascist. I see his obsession with image, but can't see much more.
This man is correct. Remove An-caps.
Get off my property
..what? No? Fuck, kill yourself boot licker.
Just find something acceptable that's actually designed to creep towards the libertarian extreme without degeneracy or literally nothing more than lip service to it. The smaller the government, the fewer taxes need to be raised and the more entitled I am to say.
Please get the fuck away from me.
Fascism isn't one single thing, cunt.
Whats central to Fascism rather than various economic policy is always culture. Restoration of tradition and culture it the vital cornerstone because these things are roots of human group behavior. Being a Fascist means protecting your people from threats, and while its true that various forms of Fascism have nationalized industry, it is not at all requisite.
I'm entirely in favor of a minimalist government. I'd support a virtually free market, but I'd have no problem with regulation and state authority if it were best for my people at that given time. I'm not concerned with a specific financial ideology, I'm only concerned with the best outcome for my nation and countrymen.
Read a book.
>implying I wouldn't run my ancap city state land development with the prerequisite of signing an agreement to live in psuedo-fascist state
love it or be physically removed
you don't tell me what to do
>forced to accept authoritarianism
What?
>implying I wouldn't run my ancap city state land development with the prerequisite of signing an agreement to live in psuedo-fascist state
These sort of cooperative mini governments are an inevitable consequence of true anarchy. It would be the rise of city states again. I've got absolutely no problem with that whatsoever, especially if it were racially homogeneous. Lack of racial tension makes cooperation and peaceful relations with neighbors much more likely.
A voluntary contract is not force.
Don't live on his private property if you don't want his rules.
Do you even hoppian libertarianism bro?
>forced to accept authoritarianism
No. One would be allowed to leave it if you so wish.
Chill guys, in 10 years we will have a white covenant community. Border wall, armed populace, free market. No other country will be able to compete.
Currently reading Hoppe's "A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism", about 60 pages in. Pretty good, I like his psychological analysis and his concept of "natural assets" and "psychic income".
wow check out this BASED non-degenerate NatSoc art
Can you tell me what does libertarian mean?
When you're finished, if you want to delve into something less explicitly political, I'd recommend Carlyle's On Heroes, Hero-Worship, and the Heroic in History.
Understanding people through driving economic factors and how they influence behavior by rewarding or punishing it is vital when navigating the world today, but I feel theres something much more beneath the surface. A more esoteric understanding of the human spirit and what appeals to it can also explain a lot in the modern world. After all understanding people is key to understanding their ideas.
Don't fall for bait from furry shitposters.
Extremely high personal liberty, extremely limited federal government.
Thats the gist of it.
PFS meeting in a few days, which speech are you looking forward to the most?
hardmode: no Hoppe or Korwin Mikke
hmm it's actually a month, whatever
I got proof that ANTIFA was planning on starting violence 3 days before the protest!
Political Correctness in Medical Journals is right up my alley.
>Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Libertarianism and the "Alt-Right"
Keir Martland probably, seems like a good talk. Maybe he'll mention the Republic of Cospaia.
>we're both retarded but they are a different kind of retarded
sounds about right
Personally I'm a leaf so the Leaf Libertarian Party stands for:
>Remove trade barriers between provinces in canada
>Repeal and replace the Carbon tax.
>Privatize airports and travel to invite competition and make prices go way down
>Fairer gun laws
>Remove the dairy and maple cartels from controlling the industry
>Remove supplier taxes that double the price of dairy and meat products. (4l of milk here is 5$ cdn, should be 2.50$)
>Remove useless government boards such as the Canadian Wheat board that taxes farmers insane amounts despite having over 100 million at their disposal.
>Allow you more freedom with your own private property
>Open trade with as many countries as possible
>End Corporate welfare
>Bring corporate tax and farm tax from 15% to 10%
>Allow provinces to handle their Healthcare and not allow Ottawa to dabble in it, it's created a cluster fuck of a mess.
Overall it's just about giving people more freedom and the freedoms that are written on the constitution.
>tfw generally dislike niggers but when I see someone good I feel bad
I am not fit for the race war
>/lolbertarian/ general
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>tfw seeing photos of blacks in the 1950s
they were so normal
they had families
How about you summarize that instead of forcing me to read some shitty blog post?
They were somewhat better than today, but their community still had tons of issues. Even MLK had to give a speech about how blacks were committing the majority of violent crime in an area where he was visiting.
Imagine the United States never went liberal, never created the welfare state and never implemented affirmative action. Everybody would've slowly segregated, nobody would be leeching resources of anyone else and people would be forced to work hard.
Over the centuries Africans would eventually build up their human capital and leave behind their ancestral culture. They would accumulate wealth and become normal humans.
Imagine if we never kept slaves in the US at all.
I doubt they'd ever become equal peers, I don't see the role of genetics in culture being a trivial thing. They would have been better off returning to their homeland, even if they were taken as slaves by another tribe again. They should self determinate, live with their own kind, free from outside influence.
>fascism
>pro-gun
*pro-military if anything
Taking away the guns from the people to establish state authority is an essential part of fascism. "libertarian fascism" is an oxymoron. Being nationalist doesn't make you a fascist.
>Taking away the guns from the people to establish state authority is an essential part of fascism.
Fallacious.
WEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Were you introduced to Carlyle via Mencius Moldbug/NRX?
What is your definition of fascism?
Was Germany and Italy "not real fascism"?
Physically remove communist.
Germany didn't take people's guns, only Jews and Communists couldn't own guns.
They were teaching the Hitler Youth to shoot rifles, you think they were anti gun lol?
Europe never has and never will have a gun culture like the US. They're completely different. In Europe the only people who have or want a gun (until recently) are people who actually use them, like hunters.
Yeah, ideally, but there are 37 million of them. Our best bet is abolishing the federal government. That would allow us to end the welfare state and also establish a de facto white ethnostate.
Nazi citizens had gun rights. And modern fascists/natsocs want gun rights.
Mmmm ya
Know your enemy
Judaism=Communism
>If the government gets torn down, private businesses will step in with the best interest of the people in mind!
Ancaps actually believe this, lol.
Go back to your gulag and starve.
I actually found the book purely by chance in my school library when I was a kid.
Fascism is better viewed as a philosophy or all encompassing worldview instead of one political ideology.
Its homogeneous, not necessarily supremacist, there is respect for hierarchies and the natural world. A certain sense of aesthetic is also central to it, and is largely responsible for the veneration of traditional architecture, fine art, iconography showing strength.
Mussolini's party created what he manifested from this Fascist worldview. Mosley had different ideals and values, but it was still rooted in the same place. The impetus for industry serving the people was being for the greater good, and thats the core of it. Taking control of and regulating industry isn't the underlying theme, the theme is doing whats best for your own people.
A Fascist government could be very protectionist, they could nationalize industry, they could be free market. So long as the government was addressing threats and maintaining the heritage of the people it would be consistent.
>2017
>thinkin capitalism will value tradition and morals over maximum profits (globalism a la communism)
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Is tradition valuable? Is there demand for tradition and morality?
Can't even answer with a proper explanation on why ancap would work, only with memes as expected.
Ok listen closely now Jew boy. I want you to eat shit and die
Do I really need to write the same thing twice? Jesus you guys are easy
If there were no government, no laws protecting IP, no law enforcement preventing actual free market commerce then we could form our own city states. We could totally balkanize and merely form contractual relationships with clear cut end dates, clear cut conditions.
We could compete against an established monopolistic power by whatever subversive or overt tactics allowed us to succeed by market values.
There are books that explore this concept at length and actually show the economic theory and models behind it. Its not just some shaky theory.
Whatever is profitable is malleable. Capitalism has used propaganda, monopolies and violence to reprogram the individual into a a consuming commodity. Your ideology is in a vacuum and ignorant of history.
tradition= fast food, single motherhood, deadbeat dads cuz toxic masculinity still around n shit, one race, divorce, violence is bad homie
morality= whatever supports the current societies myth and god...
MONEY.
So there is no demand for tradition? What about your own? What about mine?
What is stopping us from using contracts to organise our private property in a way that protects and perpetuates our tradition? The government. The government has a monopoly on governance.
There are "established economic studies" that prove every theory, but why would you think that business owners would be any kinder to you than the government of today?
With noboy keeping those with money in check, what would stop the owners of the large businesses to buy police? The police of today is run by the government, so if government is no longer a ruling factor there would still be people willing to work as police for whoever pays the most.
No government = those with money will rule, and why wouldn't they use that rule to get more money? People aren't exactly known to be civil with eachother when there aren't police around to stop them. It only takes one person to start using police/military forces as their own enforcers for everybody who can to start doing the same.
Am kike and I agree. Burn the commie.
Tradition doesn't make profit in capitalism. Capitalism will always devolve into monopolies which seek maximum profits through internationalist markets.
What is stopping us? Corporations which beat us to it
Let me also offer you a meme that has a good point
Its not that AnCaps think business owners are going to be kind, generous, or moral. Its that they don't want anyone to have a monopoly on force that secures their position of power and stifles competition. The government can only be corrupt if it has some level of power to wield and misuse.
With no IP laws, no patent trolling, I could start my own manufacturing plant and produce a 1:1 clone of my competitor's product. If I want to be more successful than they are I need to market my product better. If the competition matches my marketing then I need to find some other venue to make my product more appealing by lowering price, diversifying, or by increasing the value of my brand itself by being ethical.
Its a fact that people love ethical businesses. People right now voluntarily pay more money for "harm free" cosmetics, so called eco friendly "green" products, we love things that are recycled and have reduced environmental impact. These things are good PR, they make people feel good about supporting that brand.
Thats how you compete as an AnCap. A race to the bottom doesn't work when there is no state protection.
Why employ children when automation and a skeleton crew of skilled labor would be more efficient?
>Replace the Carbon Tax
Just Repeal fellow leaf
I'm also down for just removing welfare all together
t. manitoban
Also, you will get pretty much everyone around us to boycott us because of the eternal need to virtual signal.
Becasue we go against the established TRADITION and MORALITY.
This the thread I needed.
If there was no federal government and I set up a traditional community where laws were derived via contract, would there be people who would want to join? Yes, and you have already admitted that by your question. There is demand for tradition, as proved by you. Currently it can only be fulfilled within families, churches and neighbourhoods. In a free society we would be able to voluntarily establish communities that would exclude all anti-traditional individuals (reverse boycotting, if you will).
The Libertarian party also says they'd lower the intake of refugees and immigrants, and get our soldiers out of useless wars that don't directly effect Canada. I don't understand why they aren't more popular after reading all of this.
>neoloiberalism bro
>still fascist though! dont 4get it
Your model is a pipe dream. If manifested it will not hold water because of current moral and tradition and most importantly the market.
Cheap products is always the way ti make profits. Cheap, shoddy, and propagandized commodities.
There is no such thing nor will there ever be a free society. there is only power.
Corporations will initiate force through direct and i indirect influence. As they have done for decades now. The federal government is a front for international finance and multi national corporations; even the unions are of this sort by now. Your model is utopian and not a plan for action.
This is the problem with intellectualism.
That isn't my model, that an example of AnCap put into practice. I'm not an AnCap myself, though I favor a freer market than what we have in the US today.
Cheap products make profit, no one would deny that. AnCap theory doesn't say that cheap and inferior products would simply cease to exist. It says that without government interference there would be more competition to these cheaper good and services. It is inevitable that when one alternative is inferior, and one is superior, the superior will be more highly sought. Unless that superior good/service is priced out of the market it would end up becoming the standard, as that would be the new model to emulate for other competing businesses.Laws of supply and demand still applying.
>Corporations will initiate force through direct and indirect influence.
Doesn't it then logically follow that other corporations will offer defence services? Wouldn't there be universal demand for defence and security? Again, you prove my point by agreeing that there is a widespread demand for these things. We both want tradition and defence. What is wrong or impossible about people voluntarily cooperating in order to provide these things? Why do you want to prevent that?
So what if useless products can become cheaper? do you think they will sell to you on a fair price? No. It is as lowest as they can manipulate the masses to buy it.
It is anti nation because it isn't that the capitalist choose to not be part of it all. It is because there is essentially no connection to the people and their purpose.
>working with nazi leftists
Fuck off traitor
>capitalism spawns monopolies
Learn economics and then come debate us
Companies would price products at what the market deemed to be fair or people simply wouldn't buy them. Someone would fill the demand in the market and offer the same product or competing service at a price point compelling to the consumer.
I don't understand what your point is.
>Nazi
>leftist
Don't regurgitate this nonsense.
Corporations will always spawn a state or system of the like to monopolize on power.
>Nazi
>leftist
National Socialist German Workers' Party:
>socialist
>workers
>what the market deemed to be fair
Thanks for proving my point. Plutocracy is your god.
Power tends to consolidate, this is true, but with no monopoly on force held by the government there can still be more market competition.
I know exactly what your fallacious reasoning is. You don't understand what the terms left and right mean.
Are you saying you want the government to dictate pricing? I don't understand what you're saying.
Calling national socialists "leftists" isn't really accurate. Economically they are only socialists to the degree of the welfare state. They're about as socialistic in economics as democratic socialists. In every other field (politics, culture, family, hierarchy) they are right-wing.
>You don't understand what the terms left and right mean.
pic related
National Bolsheviks are also traditional but they are still filthy commies
They're called the third position specifically because central principles of the ideology span both left and right. The term radical centrist is also used to describe them.
You just posted a picture proving yourself wrong.
>radical centrist
xD
They simply aren't left-wing. Businesses are still private, incomes are private, there's gun ownership, full personal property etc. In a fair analysis would you say that property in Nazi Germany was more privately owned or more socially owned? I've never seen a national socialist talk about seizing the means of production.
They are ideological center on the left-right axiom.
You just posted a picture clearly showing this after you tried to characterize them as being left.
You proved yourself wrong with your own evidence. Stop shitposting.
I am saying society requires the state to be a moral and tradition overseer on the market. Markets do not care about the people in fact today its proponents work with the state to make sure you aren't healthy and at best die early so government does not have to pay anything for your family.
Money is a dangerous phenomena and it has no reason to be overly individualized if you care at all about a nation.
Why is the state more moral than individuals privately cooperating?
Do you ever heard about IG Farben, Krupp or Deutsche Erd- und Steinwerke GmbH? Bussines could be private but still you must do what government tells you to produce or make. Thats how autarky works.
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How do you ensure the government is moral and traditional?
What if there are no moral and traditional candidates to vote for, and you're shoehorned into supporting someone just so a slightly worse person doesn't win power?
That is the problem with government having a monopoly on force.
Also, Business cutthroat against other businesses and many monopolize on this. Such is the fruits of your kike freedom.
Muh voluntary slavery!
(((individuals privatelty cooperating)))x
WEW
Buy police you say?
Also don't forget they are also socialist because
they are strong in their egalitarian believes.
That's socialistic yes, but it's still a mixed economy, and there are still other right-wing elements within the ideology. They're centrists. And that's a generous description. There's a reason why communists hate fascism.
This thread is a giant bait. OP is a stormfaggot.
Sage
Yes, that's what private ownership is. Ownership via original appropriation or contract.
Another question: what is your government currently doing for tradition? Mine's about to legalise homosexual "marriage". Private organisations like churches are far better defenders of tradition and morality than the state.