Where do we go from here?

As you all know, the image of the alt-right/white nationalism has been permanently destroyed after the thing in Charlottesville and in the eyes of the public and with the help of the media, alt-right is synonymous with neo-nazi and kkk. And for good fucking reason. We cant let this shit go on any longer.
This cannot be a movement associated with dead and absolutely haram movements of the past that instantly delegitimize us at every turn. Yes, Hitler wasn't the worst guy ever in the world, but Nazism is irredeemable, and even if you don't believe in that a literal holocaust occurred, there is still undeniable examples of terrible war crimes they committed to other whites (Poles, Russians, Greeks etc.).

Stop idolizing these faggots and be original for once. White identitarians have legitimate grievances and arguments about the state of the world that are impossible to argue against. We have coherent ideas. How do you think the movement (and offshoots) was able to grow to hundreds of thousands of supporters worldwide in just a few years.

From now on, we focus on what matters: spreading our ideas to more and more white people. We are Americans, not German nationalists and the only thing we need is the fucking American flag. Our heroes are the founding fathers themselves, they were hardcore white nationalists. Lincoln was a white nationalist. Every president until FDR was a white nationalist. Every (nonwhite) fucking country in the world is de-facto ethnonationalist. Reality is on our side. Once we start getting these ideas out there and the lefties try to take down monuments of the founding fathers, normie whites will see the anti-white insanity they are up against.

So from now on:
>FUCK Nazis
>Fuck the KKK
They are literal larping shitstains that cant keep from chimping out and destroying any movement they are a part of.
>FUCK that Cia op David Duke (cont.)

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>FUCK Richard Spencer
If it wasn't crystal clear that he was a cia op since that Seig heil Hail Trump bullshit, I dont know what is.
>FUCK the Daily Stormer, its a CIA website. Weev is a Jew as well.

We wont tolerate larping faggots in our movement any more. It isn't punching right to get rid of people that destroy movements the moment they touch them and have no coherent thoughts of their own. People larping as nazis or kkk should not be allowed at any future rallies, only the American flag permitted.

I suggest that our movement should propose actual, feasible policy changes as well, so when normies read about what ebill natcees we are on CNN, they can actually come and understand what we actually want to do. Examples:
>Massive reduction in immigration to stop our displacement
>Complete overhaul of the education system and deregulation down to the state level. Removal of all neomarxist teachers and board members that ensure white guilt is hammered into the heads of children from day 1.
>Stopping all funding and grants to universities that employ neomarxist professors and have social marxist courses, affirmative action etc. until they remove those things.
>Contuing to expose the evil dishonesty of the media to the public, while developing our own media platforms.
>Ending the Federal Reserve
>Ending the welfare state which funnels money towards our extinction.
And many more...

And lastly, stop the nonstop rambling about the JQ. Yes, we all know that they are doing this shit, but how did we come to that conclusion? After we saw that the heads of the anti-white movement were almost entirely Jewish. We need to start naming the globalists and attacking them individually, and normies will slowly come around to seeing what they all have in common. By screeching about Jews all day we just look like some autistic fucking retards and Nazi is the first thing that pops into a normies mind when they see it, and once they think were Nazis, they are out forever. (Cont.)

In conclusion:
>We are proud Americans
>We have legitimate grievances and policy proposals
>No more Nazis or KKK
>The founding fathers and reality are on our side.

Take the liberty pill boys.
The end is not so near, but we cannot give up fighting yet, and we have to be smart. And anyway, I find it hard to believe that the greatest civilization of all time and all its peoples will meet destruction because of something as stupid as this.

Keep fighting boys.
14/76!!!

>the alt right has been destroyed because the media says so
Stopped reading there

The typical metrics by which you have measured the populaces feelings have been proven ineffective, you really aren't as aware of what's going on as you think you are

Nobody believes the MSM anymore. Nobody.

Let me get this straight

Whites ruined the alt right by branding it as a white nationalist movement?

White people just fuck everything up don't they?

BUNCH of FUCKING retards!

The only thing Hitler did wrong was not gassing Jews. You don't have to be an anti-Nazi goycuck to realize that they were enemies of the US government and shouldn't be praised in US politics.

Not that they branded it a white nationalist movement. There is nothing wrong with white nationalism. Its that some stupid larpers played right into the hands of the media and branded it a neo-nazi movement, and all the normies that were fleeing the left and were coming to our side dont want to touch the alt-right with a ten foot pole.

Again, this idea that you have of normies running to the left is a fabrication on behalf of the media

It's fucking demoralizing. I forty fuckin years old and this is some of the most retarded shit I've ever seen. I never thought we'd put up with the bullshit the media feeds us. I never thought they would actually succeed in dividing us like we are now. Tearing down statues? This shit makes me sick. I'm exhausted, we will never be able to fight hard enough It's to the point where I'm about to give up. My life is past half over so what the fuck do I care. My once great country is on the backside of the bell curve I guess.

Fuck it, they won. I love immigrants now.
>Please start the race war

You are completely correct when you say the media is losing influence. They discredit themselves when they start calling everyone a nazi. But when they start writing articles with photos of people with nazi flags and kkk hats, and your avarage normie sees the cnn and vice articles/videos on their snapchat or facebook sidebar, using alt-right and neo-nazi interchangeably, it leaves a mental image to where they wont even consider to listen to our ideas because they think were ebil natcees

Im not saying we should give up, far from that. All im saying is to drop the nazi larping shit and retain the core pro-white message, because progress will be infinitely easier that way.

RIghtt but the "normies" you are talking about still need to be plugged in to this media stream to see what is being pumped out to brain wash them, and the ones on twitter and Facebook might

But what the propagandists always forget is that most normies are not involved in politics, they only understand this shit when it interrupts their daily routine of doing their job and raising their with violence and destruction

So long as we are the side that PROTECTS Americans from those who want to DESTROY it, the real normies will side with us simply on that basis

Tl;dr most true normies are not as political as you'd think, they just want order

>retain the core pro-white message
Bro, I'm in Monterey California. I would be lynched. I'm already a minority an all co-workers know I'm a Trump supporter "cuz I'm white". Fuckin Mexicans are more racist than whites!

Go fuck yourself
This was never about winning over the normies and the centrists and the undecideds. We are not about playing the mainstream game and their stupid fucking rules, we don't care about that bullshit. Get the fuck out of our movement or be treated as a traitor, and if you're just another jew shill just wait until the shtf we are coming for you motherfuckers first.

If the daily stormer is cia-run why can't they keep their website up for more than an hour at a time

To the gallows. King Nigger will face Justice

LET JUSTICE BE DONE, THOUGH THE HEAVENS MAY FALL.

This is what a demoralization shill looks like.

But you're a nazi. It doesn't matter you renounce national socialism, and it doesn't matter if you do anything to fight racism. As a white male, you are inherently a nazi. This is their song. These are the lyrics. And the chorus is simple: White men are all nazi's. It's an irreversible slogan, and the more they say it, the more they believe it.

So the right has tried to create a culture that says "we're not nazi's". That didn't work. Then they said "well nazi's are socialists, so that's not us". That didn't work. Some tried "Nazi's weren't so bad; look at Stalin". That didn't work. Some have denounced nazism; that didn't work.

As long as you are white, you are a nazi. Figure that out and you can make change, but until then, they'll just keep running that narrative.

>find it hard to believe that the greatest civilization of all time and all its peoples will meet destruction

Grab a history book. All civilizations end. To pretend you can be exempt from that or reverse it is like pretending gravity doesn't exist. There's no example in human history of a reversal that worked.

It wasn't Charlotte. It was a coordinated misconstrual of Trump's law and order stance. It would have been something else.

user, they're going to silence any opposition. Free speech is too dangerous to survive. There is no more movement. Everyone is doomed, left and right.

Fuck off shill. Its people like you that are destroying the movement. Go on and keep up the nazi shit and see how fast it completely derails the movement like it has done before time and time again. This movement absolutely needs to win over normies and it can't do that if its just another run of the mill nazi fest. Keep up with your dream of a nazi-America utopia as the country slowly withers away around you, and in 30 years when were 40% white with crippling welfare debt, we can see what good staying true to the third reich did for us.

14/76 NOT 14/88

After recent events, I think we can all agree that the use of Nazi symbolism just won't work. Even 2-3 guys with swastikas will ruin it for an entire rally. But too many forget- what about our own history? The left is always guilt shaming us for America's racist past, reminding young students that the framers of the Constitution were white racists, and that not a single President until JFK believed that all races were the same and equal(ironically he praised Hitler in his diaries). Why not embrace this image, and adopt it in our ideology? They've set it all up for us. We have a great opportunity to use this for white nationalism, but instead, some still think it very necessary to keep a National Socialist approach, despite the fact that this isn't even Germany.

Typical leftist: It's un-American.White nationalism is not apart of our history and heritage.

14/76 Chad: Actually, it is.

You really are dense, arent you? You are doing a better job ruining everything than the regressive left. Why cant you just see that? Stop being a fucking screeching autistic nazi chasing away absolutely every thinking and sane person

Not to mention that non-whites can identify as such and still be okay with pride. Asian pride? a-okay. black pride? Sure, why not. Doesn't matter if you're from zimbabwe, jamaica, or argentina; whatever black country you are from, you're just a black person. Not a zimbabwean, not a jamaican, not an argentinian. That gives you the right to scream black pride. Yet, whites made the mistake of national pride over racial pride. We said "i'm a proud german; i drink beer and eat sausage." or "i'm a proud irish; i drink beer and eat potato" or "i'm a proud polack; i drink vodka and eat potato". But you can't say you're a proud white, eat mayo and drink your own urine. Because then that's white pride; that is racism.

Unfortunately, the fact that whites are becoming mixed whites has created a conundrum for us. We can't claim Lithuanian/French/German/English/Iberian-Peninsula pride, because the person claiming such is so genetically unique. Yet, blacks are not genetically unique; they have no pride in their homelands (or else they wouldn't be flocking to white's land). So we painted ourselves into a corner with nationalism, and now we're stuck with not being able to be racist like the blacks.

Someone once pointed out that white supremacy is on the rise because of liberalism. They pushed us for being white, saying we destroyed everything, that we're at fault for whatever, that we only have our privilege and our whiteness as a redeeming quality. They paint us as monsters, and finally, a few white folks just said "yea, they're right" and became the monsters they were portrayed as.

Think hunchback of notre dame; he was a kind soul, but everyone thought he was a monster, so he acted like one.

But thats what was helping us win for so long. As the whole media and establishment were calling us nazis, we were presenting reasonable and passionate arguments, along with top notch memes, and were winning people over while destroying the media at the same time. But the moment the media got a picture of some guy holding a nazi flag at our rally, the term didn't seem like hyperbole anymore and anyone who might have been sympathetic to us was turned off.

It doesn't matter what the media says if it isn't true, because it will help us win eventually. If it has any semblance of truth, it sends us back many steps in the eyes of the public.

You're wrong. Not everyone is buying that crap. The majority just rather dont touch it and try not to think about it. Being a nazi is not being rational. Neither is a regressive. Most people choose to roll with something not that extreme. Let's not be extremists okey?

Western civilization as in the ongoing project that has been in effect since 800 BC in classical Greece. Not talking about specifically modern American or European culture. Fuck that hedonistic degenerate bullshit it couldn't be farther from the values that made our civilization.

YES this is my thoughts exactly. Well spoken sir. Most people are skeptical about fanatics, let's try not to let them ruin a good thing here.

Trade the Nazi and Confederate flags for the flags of your actual heritage and don't allow people to carry them in your rallies.

The benefits are many:
>Can't be singled out as racist, Nazi, etc.
>Fighting for something of actual personal importance instead of long-dead ideologies
>Unifies the message that European culture will not go quietly
>A sea of nation flags shows the diversity of the cause
>Strong European unity without falling under globalist EU banner
>Might encourage stronger nationalism in actual European countries
>Easily digestible message

If this fight is really about preserving traditional western culture and not just Nazi/Confederate LARPing this would go a long way to strengthen the image of the cause and fix some of the damage that Nazi LARPers caused.

>Where do we go from here?
Come Home White Man

>inb4 you start shitting on GLR

Fucking brilliant idea. Thats exactly on the lines of what I was thinking. Instead of pushing the same old, long-dead "hate flags", can you imagine how awesome it would be if pictures of the protest showed a sea of American flags, spqr flags, byzantine flags, english, french flags etc. It would signify that
>We are not just white. We have a history, culture and people we want to preserve and we wont let you replace it.

It would have an absolute crushing aesthetic against the establishment showing that its not just some stupid rally they can label as a "hate group". Instead it is us showing love and pride in our own people, and this message would absolutely draw in your avarage confused, identity-less normie whose entire childhood and identity revolves around MTV, Jayz posters, and larping as a inner city chimp to act tough, since he can't express that pride or strength in something thats his own.

>>We are not just white. We have a history, culture and people we want to preserve and we wont let you replace it.
Except the parts of history the enemy wants you to ignore and forget.

"You can be whatever ideology and belief you want goyim, EXCEPT that one ideology and belief that actually named and actually opposed the Jew."

For someone who's tired of omnipresent propaganda nazi symbol ironically becomes the opposite front. Fighting jews.

It's not about fighting. They want you to fight, to hit back, so they can gain on chaos made. They'll always gain. Their structures were made loooong before you born, and their big moves may be noticed only by looking into wide spectrum of many aspects. It is for some to explore in order to preach among people they come across in life, that are willing to listen. What should be for everyone, is exploring innerself, understanding one's mind to understand others. From understanding we'll begin new age for humanity. It may take some time, but it'll happen. We'll be hive mind with a mind of our own one day.

i've forgot to mention, from understanding comes immunity for delusions - your big enemy's weapon.

>It's not about fighting
The Jew (or The Enemy if naming the Jew scares you too much) will never allow the White race to vote itself freedom from it.

Yup, that's what I had in mind. The problem with what's happening right now is that it's real easy for people that don't care about politics to look at a picture of someone holding a swastika and call back what they've been told about Nazi's their whole life. It doesn't matter if the issue is free speech, or preserving history. It automatically becomes an issue of Nazi = bad, fight the enemy, punch the Nazi.

There's no fighting that, or reclaiming that image. It's better to stand by the actual cause, which is preserving the history and identity of where we're from and who we are. Good call on the SPQR and Byzantine flags, I hadn't considered going back that far but it makes sense. I would proudly walk the streets with an Italian or Roman flag, I can't say the same for one with a swastika.

Nazis have no place in america

Meanwhile muslims and africans are still making Europe look like shit, so everyone actually sides with the Nazis and the KKK, they just don't proclaim it on social media because of Leftist nobbers.

There has been an effort to brand American Nationalism as white supremacy. This is correct
) Train your opposition to oppose a powerful symbol. this is how to control them
2) Uniting under the american flag will divide the opposition and support into American vs. Anti-American, whereas flying a partitioning flag will divide your own support and unite the opposition against you. You cannot fly the flag of an old historical adversary (even if it was a mistake) and expect to receive wide cultural, financial, and international support.
3) It is lawful in every way to carry the U.S. flag and say anything you want to define it. Force fed red pills.
4) Any government in the U.S. (local, state, federal) will feel obligated to protect the U.S. flag as a symbol, and any violence against it cannot be portrayed as moral.
5) Any partitioning symbology (confederate flag) will be perceived as weak individualism by strong people and leaders. You should at least want to try to have your ideas integrated into the massive institutions that already exist. Partitioning the U.S. when it is not absolutely necessary would have to be the dumbest thing, for only the dumbest people.

6) There disadvantages of not defining yourself are too many, WHEN NATIONALISM IS ALL ABOUT DEFINING YOURSELF
7) Undisciplined mobs are easily divided and distracted by paid agitators, then pushed aside. Their voices don’t matter to a strong unified group.
8) You will distinguish yourself from copycats and (((subversive outliers))).
9) If the police will not protect you, you must adopt their tactics for yourself. I believe the tactics of riot control are pretty well understood. Pro tip: Rabid criminal hominids are best zip tied and lying face down.
10) If you cannot manage a crowd of violent radicles as non-violently as possible (shield wall, helmets, face shields, mace…) everything will just be disrupted, people will get hurt, and that will cost the city, that has to host your event, a lot of money. This makes you too expensive for anyone to like you.

Fuckheads like this aren't helping either.

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>It automatically becomes an issue of Nazi = bad, fight the enemy, punch the Nazi.
Good. Things should be accelerated.

We're in a fight for the survival of the White race.

We need to get every, single White person to choose a side.
1) Save the White race from White Genocide
2) Destroy the White race through White Genocide.

We want the anti-Whites revealing themselves.

We want the anti-Whites literally calling every, single White person a "racist supremacist, antisemite Nazi."

We want every, single White person to think "should I join with the people of my race who want to save the White race or should I join these people who hate me and want to destroy me."

>Nazis have no place in america
Do Jews?
Do non-Whites?
Do homosexuals?

At this point anyone who actively tries to bring up Nazi imagery or symbols or chants and associate it with the Alt Right should be treated like a leftist infiltrator or shill trying to sabotage the movement.

Nobody rational could possibly think that presenting the Alt Right as being Nazi will ever do anything to help the cause of white nationalism.

You think that fascism was the first ideology to be anti-jew? You must have forgotten to read the previous 2000 years of European history. We don't need to larp as the most extreme movement in our history to retain our core values. Like I said before, the founding fucking fathers were white nationalists! That is literally our greatest weapon. Every ideologue in all of European history pre 1950s was de-facto white nationalist. They would be tearing their hair out if they saw what we let their countries become.

Its easier to convince people that maybe all their ancestors going back for thousands of years or so maybe knew a thing or two about different groups of people and how to run a civilization, than it is to convince them that Hitler was a great guy.

Also... There are enormous amounts of High-T, highly armed white American nationalists that will eventually squash any stupid larpers to take America back. There is literally no benefit in pushing partitioning symbology. it is a dead end. not even helpful in any way. everyone in opposition already conflates nazism to Americanism

you dont even know the political basics. identitiarians.... too dumb too shut up.

Shill harder

>You think that fascism was the first ideology to be anti-jew?
It doesn't matter if it was or not.

>We don't need to larp as the most extreme movement in our history to retain our core values.
So you're going to larp as the least extreme movement in history in an attempt to get the chance to vote to retain our core values?

>Like I said before, the founding fucking fathers were white nationalists!
And the anti-Whites have legally taken power using the documents they wrote.

>That is literally our greatest weapon.
You will never be allowed to vote to save the White race.

You will never be allowed to pass pro-White legislation.

>Every ideologue in all of European history pre 1950s was de-facto white nationalist.
White Nationalism simply won't cut it anymore.

>They would be tearing their hair out if they saw what we let their countries become.
They would've already started a revolution. They would've stopped talking about "marches" and "legally voting ourselves into power" long ago.

>Its easier to convince people that maybe all their ancestors going back for thousands of years or so maybe knew a thing or two about different groups of people and how to run a civilization
"except that one group and that one time where they actually got shit done."

>than it is to convince them that Hitler was a great guy.
If you want to show that Hitler was a great guy, you act like Hitler would. You don't throw away things can can save our race just because you're afraid of triggering normies.

This is a leftist shill from Reddit/Neo GAF, Tumblr...etc.

Anyone who says the movement shouldn't be about appealing to the average white person, but limited itself by appealing to a tiny miniscule portion of faggot Nazi LARPers is actively working to stop white nationalism.

LOL, the Alt-Right is doing good

And conservatives know they are all Nazis now

We just keep doing what we've been doing, what works, keeping in mind our much larger audience. Same deal, a little more exoteric / approachable.

Stay edgy and fun, but give people plausible deniability, so they're not forced to condemn you outright.

Even in the face of a truly massive media blitzkrieg... normies did their homework, defended us and eventually adopted our truthful narrative.

The reality is much easier to defend than the media image, so we keep pushing, keep putting our message out there at a variety of power levels.

Scale back the street fighting and try not to stand next to a federal agent with a freshly bought NS flag with fold marks still on it.

This.

It would be way more effective if we had a unifying pro-American, pro-White message, uniting under the people who founded this country instead of some dead ideology perceiving as anti-American by the trained masses.

They will still call us anti-American nazis, but when we are reading Thomas Jefferson quotes, it will fall a little short on the ears of the public, wont it. The public will understand that the establishment are the ones who have disgracefully perverted the vision of this country.

Stop posting this. It's a trap plain as day. Bannon still works for Trump.

Do you honestly believe we Whites will ever be allowed to vote pro-Whites into power and/or pass pro-White legislation into law?

Shill harder? Not a shill bro, just stating how I feel about it all.
And shill harder for what? What the actual fuck are YOU even doing about it? Your just another punk behind a keyboard, scared to go to jail.
>Fuckin faggot

>As you all know, the image of the alt-right/white nationalism has been permanently destroyed after the thing in Charlottesville and in the eyes of the public and with the help of the media

>the media

All they had to do was turn on their screaming wailing, crying, 24/7, multi-outlet propaganda hose and the die was cast. They can't be allowed to wield such power over minds. They are the true enemy, not soros, not antifa, not democrats but THE MEDIA.

Where do we go from here? An all out victory or death, no rest memetic war to take down the MSM. Or there is no future.

SHORT TERM OBJECTIVES:
1) Speeches and rallies
2) The protest of ant-white/Anti-American legislation and affirmative action
3) The protest and crashing of “White Privilege Indoctrination Seminars” by the Simon Wiesenthal NGO. youtube.com/watch?v=cu5Eu14AESc
4) The protest of anti-white/Anti-American violence
5) The removal of anti-white/Anti-American propaganda posted throughout metropolitan cities (like the wall of posters put up outside the Wholefoods in Portland)
6) The protest of ant-white/Anti-American university programs, professors, and actions. There are many professors that need a crowd of white people standing outside their house
7) The removal of communist and internationalist symbology (Lenin Statue)

LONG TERM OBJECTIVES:
1) The defense and advocacy of white people everywhere
2) protection and advocacy of nuclear families and high culture
3) Elections
4) An organized political group last that can quickly become militant and serve as a rallying point for paramilitary and militias

And we all know who Trump works for.

OP, I just want you, and all the other supporting voices in the thread, to know that this is absolutely what we need right now. We need to denounce this shit, and not just because of the reasons mainstream Republicans are. We need intelligent, erudite people talking at length about these things.

We all like to go on about reading the classics, about the greatness of Western society. About our art, about the works of Plato, or the truth of Nietzsche, or Evola. We decry the modern destruction of post-modernist deconstructionism ruining art, all the likes of that. We like to pretend we're all so well-read, and yet we don't do anything with it when anyone with that background knows this is the truth.

Have tactic. Have strength. Have faith. When people on other boards get into pissing matches about Sup Forums, they're talking about this other side, who is truly our greatest enemy. It's the truth, and I never quite quantified it until I started writing this.

The Nazis, the fully hateful are our true enemy. We will be host to what has happened to the Left if we do not realize this. The Left, once a kind partner to liberty, a true opposing force worth debating, a band to consider, has been co-opted and destroyed by extremist infiltrators within its ranks who pretended to defend and propagate their values, who instead came to bring the opposite, to discredit their cause entirely to anyone logical and truly strong in their ideology. This is what will happen to us. This is our taste of it. If we allow this hatred, this madness to fester, we will become nothing but hated Fascists, reviled Nazis, and everything we care about will be ash without a whisper allowed from us.

If we ever want change, if we ever want to fight back, we need to sort ourselves out. We need to clean house. We need to stand strongly by liberty, freedom, hope, and a thriving, beautiful future. We cannot tolerate hatred that only serves to send us spiraling to the abyss, politically and personally.

You are young. These things are forgotten, and the movement will rise again.

Remember the week before when everyone was scared of nukes? Or how about before that, Russians?

Your ADD haunts your generation. Quit being chicken littles about everything. Next week, you'll be onto something else that has "changed the world forever "...

Kids these days

Americans literaly voted in a guy who wanted to ban all Muslims and massively reduce immigration. And he became so successful not because he LARPed as a Nazi and was making Heil Hitler salutes, but because he wrapped white nationalism in a welcoming layer that the average white person could digest and not see as extreme.

Nazism is not only a failed miserably at gaining any support from the average white person, ut its something that America fought against with pride and defeated 70 years ago.

Its a dead ghost that accomplished nothing for whites, it lead to massive cultural shift to the multicultural left in response after it was defeated, it is weight holding white movements down.

germany is a fake nation

This isn't about taking power through the voting system anymore I understand that. But if we have 50 or 60 percent of whites in this country on our side, unafraif to speak out in public, saying theyve had enough, the government will be forced to acknowledge it, or risk huge civil conflicts. Not to mention UN sanctioned rights of self determination would come into play at the point.

Second, I don't think we should have a set socio-economic policy or manifesto per say, as that can cause huge infighting within our ranks. We don't want to rist fracturing over disagreements on tax or military policy. We should continue as we were, a loose conglomeration of anti-marxist, edgy, white-identitarians who meme out a lot of good arguments.

Third, I would love to act as Hitler did and save the race, but im afraid that kind of person only comes once every few hundred years and I don't think im him.

Fuck you, nigger. If we stop asking the JQ then we are done for. Go eat a cock.

The media is losing their grip.

This is what is making us lose ours.
>pic related

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Nobody made you the leader, fag.

>Americans literaly voted in a guy who wanted to ban all Muslims and massively reduce immigration.
...Which will not save the White race.

On top of which look how they portray Trump, a guy who is not pro-White nor a racist nor a "Nazi".

Just imagine how the anti-Whites and the anti-White media would treat an actual pro-White.

They'd lynch the guy.

>And he became so successful not because he LARPed as a Nazi and was making Heil Hitler salutes, but because he wrapped white nationalism in a welcoming layer that the average white person could digest and not see as extreme.
Trump is nowhere near a White Nationalist. You're delusion if you think so.

>Nazism is not only a failed miserably at gaining any support from the average white person,
Fuck the average White person. We're looking for people who will fight. Not people who would only vote.

>ut its something that America fought against with pride and defeated 70 years ago.
You literally fought for your Jewish masters to destroy the group that could've freed you from the Jews.

Christ, did the Holocaust happen too?

>Its a dead ghost that accomplished nothing for whites
But voting has huh?

> it lead to massive cultural shift to the multicultural left in response after it was defeated
That's what happens when the Jews win.
That's what will happen when you vote for someone who loves the Jews.

> it is weight holding white movements down.
You never answered my question.

Do you honestly believe we Whites will ever be allowed to vote pro-Whites into power and/or pass pro-White legislation into law?

>They are the true enemy

White identity politics is "nazi" according to the Jews. So we're not allowed to have it.

The approach of the online right has been to work to break that stigma in a variety of ways, including transgressive humor

Now the Conservatives who worship Trump are all being called Nazi... and so is George Washington.

This opens the way for people to be pro-white in a variety of ways, and when they are called Nazis, they'll just ignore it

Ann Coulter tier people can get away with a lot now and when the left calls them Nazi white supremist, Trump supporters don't care

and it's true. the best solution is staring everyone right in the face as communist are out there right now burning the American flag. It is only a matter of time. this is inevitable

>But if we have 50 or 60 percent of whites in this country on our side,
That won't happen until things are bad enough to force them to choose.

>unafraif to speak out in public,
But you're so afraid of National Socialism and the swastika you want it banned.

> the government will be forced to acknowledge it, or risk huge civil conflicts.
No, they won't. They'll still call you nazi's and attack you because Whites are a threat to the Jewish system.

>Not to mention UN sanctioned rights of self determination would come into play at the point.
UN doesn't care about the survival of the White race either.

>Second, I don't think we should have a set socio-economic policy or manifesto per say, as that can cause huge infighting within our ranks.
Because alienating anyone who isn't exactly your definition of altright isn't causing infighting huh?

>We should continue as we were, a loose conglomeration of anti-marxist, edgy, white-identitarians who meme out a lot of good arguments.
That will not save the White race.

>Third, I would love to act as Hitler did and save the race, but im afraid that kind of person only comes once every few hundred years and I don't think im him.
You're obviously not him. What's worse, you don't even want us and the movement to strive to be like him.

You want us to shitpost online and larp as pro-Whites irl.

I want Whites to actually fight to save our race. If you won't fight, GTFO of the way.

We can adopt an American cultural definition of exploitation that intersects with international jewry. This is the only way we can integrate this into american culture. The American Nazism method is weak and has failed. There were plenty founders who were skeptical of international jewry. This is what they really fear. Every jew wants you to keep harping as a nazi. They are even open about it now

They tried and they failed. It is impossible to revive it now with the same flags, symbols, leader etc. We have to do our own thing. We can keep their lessons and methods at heart, but keep in mind:
Hitler wasn't out there yelling gas the kikes in '33

>It's not about fighting.

Yes it is, Democracy is a sham, and the Jews can be completely defeated with violence.

>As you all know, the image of the alt-right/white nationalism has been permanently destroyed after the thing in Charlottesville


According to the MEDIA it has. Most people no-longer trust it's lies and deception anymore.

Spics/Dindus/SJW will always loudly vocalize against us whenever we act.

If Trump fails, white America may have to take matters into it's own hands.

>They tried and they failed
They tried and it took the entire world jewry to beat them. That doesn't mean they were wrong.

> It is impossible to revive it now with the same flags, symbols, leader etc
It's amazing how the only people who say that are those who are anti-NatSoc.

>We have to do our own thing.
We could form an American Nazi Party.

>We can keep their lessons and methods at heart
You mean like GLR did?

>Hitler wasn't out there yelling gas the kikes in '33
Hitler wasn't yelling gas the kikes at all. The Holocaust didn't happen.

I don't want to kick you out, nor do I care in what you believe in. I support it, in fact. But explain to me what fucking kind of fighting you will be doing with only 10,000 other people in the whole country that agree with you. Its not about sucking up to the normies, nor am I afraid of having people disavow me. Its simply the fact that if you keep the nazi aesthetic up, you simply won't be able to fight because 99.9999% of people will be against you. It's about playing smart, not cowardly, and you can keep your true ideals contained deep down, and if you win in the end. The world is yours, no one is their to stop you.

And btw, I know that many people here idolize GLR, and for good reason, he spoke a lot of truth. But in the end he failed pretty terribly, and theres no indication that we'll be more effective.

Well said. Too bad the Nazis won't listen because they are obsessed with the imagery.

>But explain to me what fucking kind of fighting you will be doing with only 10,000 other people in the whole country that agree with you.
We only need 10k strong, intelligent white men willing to give their lives.

>you simply won't be able to fight because 99.9999% of people will be against you
We won't be fighting 99% of the people. We'll be fighting the government and the media.

>It's about playing smart, not cowardly, and you can keep your true ideals contained deep down, and if you win in the end. The world is yours, no one is their to stop you.
and yet you think voting is the way.

> But in the end he failed pretty terribly,
He was assassinated by the system because he was about to run for office.

>and theres no indication that we'll be more effective.
So you want to play the system's game and you think you can beat them at it when they hold all the cards...
If that tactic worked, it would've worked in the last 50 years.

And you're obsessed with doing things by the book.

This kinda shit is why I and other NatSoc's don't consider ourselves altright.

altright is a political movement, willing to sacrifice any of their beliefs in an attempt to gain power.

National Socialism is a revolutionary movement not willing to sacrifice a single truth on our march to victory.

This shit is why you are bound to constantly fail. This shit is why you will lose, and forever be mad and hateful, and everything you love will die, because you didn't play the game. You didn't do a damn thing but poison the well for everyone else.

There's some great quotes by Goering from Nuremberg, there's great lessons to be learned from those figures. Lessons to be learned. And what's the classic idea? Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

The Nazis lost. Either you learn from them, or you become them.

1. I did not say I think there is a voting solution. I don't. What I do believe though is that we need to awaken and get as many whites as possible on our side, and you are foolish if you believe you can accomplish it with 10,000 men. Hitler had the whole German nation, and he still failed.
2. Yes, GLR got assassinated, and Hitler had all of world jewry against him. You always have excuses. But at the end of the day, they failed! And if THEY couldn't do it, what makes you think you can? I swear, you are delusional if you think by trying the same strategy now, except with 50 years of hysterical propaganda against you as well, you will somehow miraculously succeed against the whole global structure that has been in place for 70 years, meant to stop something exactly like what you want to do from happening. Get real. Its not about sacrificing values, it's about winning. We both have the same objective, defeating globalism. You can continue the same old tactics and fail over and over, or you can retain the core ideology in a new form and try something completely new.

If you want to continue in your larping fantasy, please stop trying to delegitimize the rest of us. We wont attack you, and you won't attack us. But we should separate, as we have different philosophies of how to approach the problem.
OR, you we can stick together, but just give up the fucking nazi flags and swastikas for god sakes. That's all im asking!

You are literally deluding yourself that an ideology that was thoroughly and completely defeated so comprehensively that your hero literally shot himself in the face will somehow come back because 10K "intelligent white men" are willing to give their lives.

Your ideology has done more to lead to the destruction of the white race, and the massive support among whites for multicultralism, than anything that any Jew or leftist could ever do.

White people today support multiculturalism because Nazis like you hate it.

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