How did good music evolve? Hint: "Because it was advantageous," is a shortsighted and retarded answer. "Good music" doesn't naturally occur, so how can it be selected for? It can't. Or would you have me believe some kind of infinite monkey theorum situation with guitars? >inb4 songbirds or some other mundanity provided sufficient constituents for the creation of classical music
Even if it did naturally occur, the experience of music in and of itself is necessarily not advantageous for survival. >b-but it caused other advantageous things like community Natural selection itself would be sufficient for community or any other advantage that could be caused by listening to music. The experience of music in and of itself could not be advantageous, because any effect is has would be brought about by natural selection itself. It is disadvantageous to require something unnecessary.
This applies to all beauty -- beauty is unnecessary, i.e. our experience of beauty is unnecessary, as is our experience of colors, our experience of Beethoven -- our experience. The evolutionists' model of "life" is something that could be simulated with a computer with 1s and 0s; it is only the outline -- the colorless coloring book. They should deny they are even conscious; instead they would rather believe consciousness and experience magically "emerge" from their outline.
1. All music also did not exist prior to its initial conception. 2. Natural selection is the necessary mechanism of evolution. 3. Any music that didn't exist to be acted upon by natural selection did not evolve. 4. If we are a consequence of evolution, then everything only created by us is a consequence of evolution. 5. Our music did not naturally evolve. (from 3) 6. Therefore, we did not naturally evolve. (modus tollens from 4)
This argument also applies to all conceptions or original thoughts. Supposedly having the means is irrelevant -- it is the actualization of these potentials that shouldn't exist, and they do.
the oldest noted instrument is 56000 years old and is a bear femur. the story goes that they were sucking the marrow out and liked the noise
Landon Rodriguez
So is your argument that natural selection acted upon people who liked the sound of bear femurs over those who didn't and now we have music; did you think citing a bearily-relevant fact constitutes an argument; or were you just sharing something neat?
Levi Garcia
just sharing something neat. i dont really get where you are trying to go with the thread, notes are mathematically correct and chords are based on harmony.
Adrian Phillips
> Any music that didn't exist to be acted upon by natural selection did not evolve.
Music doesn't have heritable traits and isn't subject to natural selection. Nothing else in your logic follows.
Isaac Powell
>notes are mathematically correct and chords are based on harmony. Association fallacy. Just because a property of a naturally-existent thing (debatable. see "nominalism") is shared by another thing, doesn't mean that other thing naturally exists. You need to explain how your factoids imply your conclusion. >i dont really get where you are trying to go with the thread Two arguments are clearly and explicitly presented, basically: "Uncreated music doesn't happen in nature, thus modern music can't have evolved, thus neither did we," and "Experience of music, or anything really, is unnecessary and therefore wouldn't be selected."
Wyatt Edwards
riddle me this
>post this thread >post it again a few hours later
Y tho
Carter Scott
also, sage
Julian Cruz
>naturally-existent thing it's just frequency and how it's arranged and noted isn't natural. music is just organised sound, if it wasn't organised it wouldn't be music (by my definition anyway). >shared by another thing it's only one thing, frequency. >Uncreated music doesn't happen in nature i have no idea what that means.
spell out your argument concisely.
William Campbell
Are you saying that noise on earth, in the universe, etc is unorganised and chaotic therefore to have some thing organised God must've created it? I'm genuinely confused as to what you are trying to say
Jace Gutierrez
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Grayson Howard
come back op, i dont get it
Jace Turner
It's also a false equivalence between notes and harmony, and music and experience of music, m8. Maybe these are equivlanet down undah, but not anywhere logic applies.
Caleb Williams
>merrikans
Kevin Hall
so you think music is proof of god ?
David James
i was mostly talking about the notes, which is just frequency of radiation that we have ascribed names for. as for the rest of "what music is", that is tempo, timing and rhythm. You can have rhythm with out timing though, if i drop a coin on the ground the positions in time that noise is made is the rhythm, it doesn't have to be organised in a timing or tempo structure. but i dont see that as music as it isnt organised. >experience of music we all feel it differently.
Gavin Lopez
If evolution or God is a dichotomy, it would be, if music is proof that we didn't evolve. Sometimes stating things so simply doesn't allow for necessary appreciation of the implicit premises... but this is proof of God: pastebin.com/eaEGgUa3
Nolan Fisher
tl:dr >if god doesnt exist life has no meaning >life has meaning >therfore god exists Every 3 or 4 points boil down to this type of stupidity
Lucas Campbell
Sexual selection retard. Brains like interesting patterns, they are just pattern matching machines after all.
Guys who were more interesting musically got laid more, had more kids.
See birds for an animal example. Even today some species create NEW songs, the more complex, the more female interest and offspring.
Justin Baker
Notes have a specific mathematical relationship with each other. The exact frequency is arbitrary, but the distance between notes of any tuning is not.
Nathaniel Johnson
imagination.
Lincoln Martin
Jesus christ. It's almost like you're so retarded that you've never heard of Darwin tunes.
so things you don't understand and/or give your life meaning count as proof something exists? this is why people think religion is stupid, idiots like you who are mentally retarded
Liam Nelson
ah look it's the idiot who thinks he can use completely incorrect logic to answer atheism. only now it's stupid drivel about music.
