Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
>everyone calls you retarded >everyone else is the problem >try /communistpol/ again >ban dissenting opinions >speakers just parrot the same retarded shit every day >you have to borrow capitalists content to survive >starve for attention >board is collapsing >i-its was just a shitposting board and not really about communism >return to Sup Forums >everyone calls you retarded >everyone else is the problem >try /communistpol/ again >...
Evan Anderson
>Le gommunism has never been tried XD Move along nothing to see here
Jaxon Evans
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
David Price
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Austin Johnson
This communism under Mao
Parker Taylor
Here's more communism
Elijah Williams
Here's more . Drops mike walks away
Joshua Kelly
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Nolan Parker
((())) >Welfare leaches of the world, unite!
Colton Bennett
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Logan Sanders
Sage
Charles Mitchell
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Jack Myers
"To each according to his contribution" is a principle of distribution considered to be one of the defining features of socialism.
The principle has its roots in the way that capitalism manages its affairs. That is, each is rewarded according to how much he produces. Remuneration increases as the amount of labor contributed increases. However within capitalism, the means of production are owned by a small minority who do not produce, but rather live off the labor of others. Socialism is said to remedy this by putting the means of production in common hands and rewarding individuals according to their contributions.
Dylan Walker
> t. filthy, saged Jew
Zachary Bennett
> t. disgusting liar, still saged kike
Ayden Fisher
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Carter Young
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Logan White
>Be Kulak >Break your back day and night building your epic farm >Hire hands to help with harvesting your crops >Bitches love crops
>Nice farm you got there bourgeoisie >Don't mind if we just take all your hard work, cause you see we never did shit with our lives XDDDD
Jackson Clark
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
Levi Richardson
Communism is a regression to Feudalism. Not the next stage of humanity. Communists will wax on and wax off about the redistribution of wealth and resources. But they never talk about how that necessitates a centralisation of power. As a system it REQUIRES a centralised hub of resource for social need to be established and for resources to be redistributed. In other words it requires a minority of people with power over the entirety of industry.
Tell me, who decides who this power is centralised upon. You lefty faggots want to come here to "discuss" your ideals, well fucking educate me. Who decides what society needs, and why do THEY decide it?
Jace Ross
nice larp faggots lol
Gabriel Thomas
Just double-checking this has been posted.
Joshua Thompson
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Jace Evans
Labour Theory of Value (LTV):
Non arguments:
>If I dig a hole in my backyard and then fill it in I used labor but made no value! Commies BTFO!
Marx clarified (unlike adam smith) that only socially nessary labor (labor used to produce a commodity with use value) creates value. This is also the case if you spend 1000 years making a bed.
>Nature can create value as well. If an apple falls from a tree then value is created without labor
Marx also noted nature could create value.
>if labor determines price why is coca cola cheaper than bottled water?
Labor doesn't determine price. It determines value (not exchange value or use value) and correlates with the equilibrium price. Supply and demand determine price.
Machines cannot create value. If I make a machine that makes diamonds out of thin air then the value of a diamond falls below that of bricks now that they can be aquired with no work what so ever. Price might not fall because you can still manipulate supply and demand but value certainly does.
Some definitions.
Use value = How useful an object is. Exchange value = Market value of a commodity. Different from use value. You can sell a beanie baby for 200$ but it is almost completely useless. Value = the amount of congealed labor withing a commodity.
>Labor doesn't determine price. It determines value (not exchange value or use value) and correlates with the equilibrium price. Supply and demand determine price. >Machines cannot create value. If I make a machine that makes diamonds out of thin air then the value of a diamond falls below that of bricks now that they can be aquired with no work what so ever. Price might not fall because you can still manipulate supply and demand but value certainly does.
No shit you just found that out?
Isaac Edwards
The bourgeoisie are the class which owns the means of production but does not use them you can think of the means of production as anything 'used' to generate profit e.g. a factory, a shop, a car, machinery, etc if you own means of production but are self-employed, and do not employ anyone else, then you are not bourgeois if you do not literally own means of production but in effect control it, you are bourgeois (e.g. CEOs who do not literally own their companies, but as they run the company they 'own' it in the sense that they decide what is done with it, they decide their own wages, etc) a good litmus test: ''1. do you work for a wage? 2. do you get to decide your wage? 3. do you get to decide anyone else's wage?'' if yes to 1 but not to 2 or 3, you are not bourgeois if yes to 1 and 2 but not to 3, you are petit-bourgeois if yes to all three, you are in effect bourgeois if you do not work for a wage at all, but rather own the means of production directly, then you are absolutely bourgeois
If you own a small shop that you run for a living making 50k USD a year you are petite bourgois. If you are a heart surgeon making 150k USD a year but you work for a hospital and you aren't in charge of hiring of firing anyone you are fully proletarian. Labour aristocracy maybe but still proletarian. It is not a question of income, but a question of ones relationship to the means of production.
Juan Young
Why people hate communism: >Communism is an authoritarian regime in which the means of production are public, but all the earnings of labour are redistributed according to the wishes of the Proletariat Party. >Communism is "stateless" and "classless". Except there are two classes: the citizens who are forced to work under the threat of execution, and the members of the Proletariat Party, who decide how much something is worth and how it should be distributed. To be a member of the Proletariat Party, you must be accepted by current members. So even though there is no state, there is an authoritarian governing body that only allows voice to those who are part of it (100% corrupt government). >To achieve such a society, the radical interpretations the Bolsheviks took from Marx and Lenin was that it was not only fine, but desirable, to murder any and every dissident voice, as most humans do not wish to be enslaved willingly, and so force must be used to force people to work and keep their mouth shut. >From each according to their ability, to each according to their need means that able bodied persons will have to work even more in order to carry the disabled, the lazy, etc. and leave enough money to completely finance the Proletariat Party and it's military force, who will shoot you if you stop working for them. >Any product of your labour is promptly taken by the Proletariat Party to be used according to their own agenda. This means no one can accrue wealth and, since no one can 'own' property, there is no incentive whatsoever to develop society, meaning it will always be a grey decadent ruined town of slaves and masters ad eternum. >Communism is also opposed to any form of criticism, often violently, and has no problem going Imperialistic and attempt global domination. >Essentially, Jews on steroids.
ftfy
Tyler Morgan
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Asher Nelson
>bourgeoisie >zines kys
Jason Walker
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Owen Campbell
>large scale slavery >no exploitation
>direct democracy >statelessness
>discrimination ended >From each according to his abilities
>Global peace and stability >with a global population of like 70 people, and billions of people murdered for this
