Sup Forums communism general

[Hunter Sullivan]

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

[Connor Morgan]

...

[Xavier Ortiz]

Fuck off ANTIFA

[Isaac Reed]

WE NEED YOU SPURDO

[Jaxson Nguyen]

kill yourself

[Nathaniel Collins]

Communism will prevail

[Elijah Young]

I'm really interested in communism but I would like to know more about it, could you answer a few questions for me?

Why do modern day communist and socialist vouch for communism, even though it has never worked?

>pic related
Why do communist like killing people so much?

Why do you claim that the factories and shops are owned by the people, when they are clearly owned by the government?

Why are commies so fucking stupid?

Should commies kill all non commies?

[Daniel Bell]

Antifa =/= communists
Try again sweetie

[Levi Lee]

Why do capitalists love killing people so much?

[Lincoln Powell]

An ideology, any ideology, that promises Paradise will inevitably turn into Hell.

[Lucas Bell]

>An ideology, any ideology, that promises Hell will inevitably turn into Heaven.

[Wyatt Jackson]

does "CHANGING THE NARRATIVE" sound familiar to you retards?

[Cameron Lopez]

Other words but also right.

[Samuel Martinez]

Why don't you just move to a communist country?

[Luis Reed]

At least we know how to put up a fight.

[Nicholas Jones]

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

[Wyatt Wilson]

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

[Nathaniel Bailey]

Why move when I can make my country better. Besides, if there was a communist country, I'd move if I could in a heartbeat. I'm pretty sure all of us would move there too.

[Hudson Richardson]

>African slave trade
>150,000,000

Do you guys actually believe this utter nonsense?

[Leo Baker]

Communism is the antithesis of capitalism, so things like big banks profiting from loaning money, or people holding patent rights and such really do not exist. You can own a factory but the land it sits on is owned by the state.

Since it is so restrictive and people are by nature greedy, this creates a black market and you have a gangster class. These are ones who will be shot or sent to gulags,

The main thing to know about communism is that they will not have a Rothschild Central Bank and this is main rub. So now you have sanctions, trade war and such and this is real reason communism never works, they are blocked from trading with other countries.

While we slowly chip away at Russia putting in McDonalds, or selling them American cars, we don't see Russia cars for sale in USA. Instead Putin is hoarding gold.

The main conflict Capitalism/Communism is do you want credit from Rothschild bank or do you not?

[Jason Perez]

>Why do modern day communist and socialist vouch for communism, even though it has never worked?

Because it is the future.

>Why do communist like killing people so much?

We don't, we use the force against capitalists if necessary.

>Why do you claim that the factories and shops are owned by the people, when they are clearly owned by the government?

Because in socialism(not in communism which is stateless) the socialist state represents the proletariat.

>Why are commies so fucking stupid?

Don't be infantile.

>Should commies kill all non commies?

see the third answer.

[Henry Hall]

*second answer

[Caleb Ross]

It's probably based on similar math to the black book of Communism.
The real question about Communism is not how many people died in nominally Communist countries it's: Do you want to serve your community or do you expect your community to serve you?

[Nathaniel Garcia]

>Because it is the future.
No. It's the failed past. Same as slavery, same as nazism.

[Nolan Perry]

Ok commies, I'm sure it will work this time.

[Oliver Taylor]

I recommend this book to you.

[Jonathan Gonzalez]

This shit is FICTION, son. No different from LOTR or some crazy religious text.
The real, actual communism is in the HISTORY book — and it's there to the tune on 10's of millions dead.

[Brandon White]

You should at least refer to USSR as socialism not communism.

[Logan Morgan]

What do you mean? It already has.

[Cameron Baker]

Don't bother arguing with them man. They know better than everyone and it totally wasn't real communism before.

[Samuel Price]

And you are stupid enough to believe this rubbish.

[Samuel Powell]

Motherfucker, your retarded ideology killed 10's of millions of people in my country alone.
I don't give a fuck what you think it should be called, because it would not change the fact that shit does not work no matter what you call it.

[Caleb Perez]

You're barking at me like you believe that image is true. Go and read Gulag Peninsula - written by someone who actually got to experience this utopia first hand and not some fat tranny in a karl marx shirt vomiting its delusions on Sup Forums posts.

[Adam Russell]

Under Communism there wasn't shit like this
youtube.com/watch?v=s2oVw2ui5yk
Maybe some things sucked, but practically all Oligarchs in Russia got rich looting the communal wealth of the USSR. What could've and would've been the pensions of old people is now used by cunts who's greatest achievement was to loot the wealth of the people.
Don't see why you'd think Capitalism that rewards the biggest thieves is the future.

[Dominic Clark]

Cute fiction novel you have there, it was written by universally discredited russophobe

“In her 1974 memoir, Sanya: My Life with Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn”…, she wrote that she was ”perplexed” that the West had accepted ”The Gulag Archipelago” as ”the solemn, ultimate truth,” saying its significance had been ”overestimated and wrongly appraised.”

Pointing out that the book’s subtitle is ”An Experiment in Literary Investigation,” she said that her husband did not regard the work as ”historical research, or scientific research.” She contended that it was, rather, a collection of ”camp folklore,” containing ”raw material” which her husband was planning to use in his future productions.”
nytimes.com/2003/06/06/world/natalya-reshetovskaya-84-is-dead-solzhenitsyn-s-wife-questioned-gulag.html

[William Brooks]

Please archive
archive.is/glANo

[Samuel Cook]

Also, read this.

[Justin Hernandez]

In Capitalism, you are free to improve your economic class, in Communism you are not. Therefore Communists are always going to be underachievers, while Capitalists will continue to improve their lives.
Communists are lazy fucks who disguise the State power of thievery as "Society" that which keeps everyone "equal". That "equality" lowers the entire economy, as their are no incentives for supporting a host of parasites on ones own productivity.

[Tyler Ross]

Ok, if your "gommunism" is actually competitive against the capitalism, how come every fucking time communist regimes fail and collapse while contemporary capitalist regimes keep moving forward?

[Jeremiah Lee]

She had to say that, or else she faced the gulag.

[Charles Russell]

A communist economic system would be characterized by advanced productive technology that enables material abundance, which in turn would enable the free distribution of most or all economic output and the holding of the means of producing this output in common. In this respect communism is differentiated from socialism, which, out of economic necessity, restricts access to articles of consumption and services based on one's contribution.

[Grayson Davis]

Not really, I work because I want stuff to be done and when doing stuff I work harder than anyone who is doing it because they want to get more money.
The concept that people only work because they want money is wrong.

[Anthony Anderson]

>1974
>Gulag
American education everyone

[Henry Anderson]

When will you accept that you are following a non-theistic and materialism religion ?

[Robert Ramirez]

>A communist economic system would be characterized by advanced productive technology that enables material abundance

No it wouldn't. The people running it wouldn't give a shit about the quality because working harder has zero chance of making their lives better.

The Soviet Union only had good production because they paid American engineers to move there in the 1920s to build American style factories. They built literal replicas of huge factory complexes in Detroit, Michigan and Gary, Indiana. It was capitalism that developed the greatest means of production.

[Grayson Rodriguez]

lets pretend mao didn't fuck china. why is it still a literal shithole?

[Jace Gonzalez]

Hayek's failure of planning
The Iron law of Oligarchy
George Orwell's Animal Farm
The Gulag Archapeligo

These 4 things melt communism.

[Juan Smith]

-Says russian isn't real communism
- 3 Posts later claims russia was a communist utopia with doctors and factories and shit.

[Jack Stewart]

Currently the Communist Party of China is overseeing the fastest economic expansion and improvement of quality of life in human history.
Personally I think the NEP of Lenin is the best way to create economic growth in a socialist system.

[Carter Jenkins]

FAQ for washed liberal-morons, kekistani edgelord teenagers and normal people who simply do not know much about communism:

1. Communism is the USSR.
The USSR is a socialist state, not a communist state.

2.1. Why, then, does the Communists all the time refer to the USSR?
Because the USSR is our historical experience of the practical construction of a communist society. We highlight the positive aspects of the experience of the USSR and study the negative experience. It is also worthwhile to understand that the USSR is for us a certain significant Symbol.

2.2 Communism is a dictatorship
Under communism there are no classes, accordingly there is no dictatorship.

3. What about the dictatorship of the proletariat?
The dictatorship of the proletariat is a temporary form of political power called upon to ensure the observance of the rights of the proletariat during the transition from capitalist society to communism.

4. But Stalin ...
With regard to the period of Stalin's rule, we can identify a lot of positive and negative aspects of his activities. But unfortunately, all-round propaganda has distorted the history of this period too much, therefore, without a comprehensive historical analysis of this period, it is impossible to draw unambiguous conclusions on the basis of ALL declassified documents.

5. And yet Stalin ...
We adequately perceive the figure of Stalin and treat him normally and without hysteria. Nevertheless, Stalin - though significant, but by no means the main figure of the communist movement.

6. What is the main figure, if not Stalin?
Marx

7. Ie you are not Communists, but Marxists?
Communism is part of Marx's teaching. At present, Marx's teaching has evolved into many directions. As for the precise definition, the terms "Communist" and "Marxist" often very much depend on the context.

8. Communism is the antithesis of democracy.
By no means. Communism is just a true democracy.

[Jose Moore]

...

[John Harris]

9. Under communism - all work in the Gulag for workdays on 24/7.
On the contrary, the Communists set their task to reduce the number of working hours, by increasing the productivity of labor. Ideally, we should work for 4 hours in fully automated production, the remaining time dedicated to self-development, art, hobby.

10. But wait! This is a capitalistic post-industrial one!
You are deeply mistaken my young friend. This is precisely communism. And under capitalism you will not get it. Communism is the highest stage of development of society and economy and if capitalism is similar to what I described above, then it turns into communism.

[Michael Carter]

>Implying Chinese communists Oligarchs will never claim that communist stage is ready, so they can mantain the power forever/until revolution happens like in the URSS

[Gabriel Powell]

>Continuous economic growth

Hey comrade, we grew so fast we outgrew our food supply. Isn't communism wonderful? I wonder if there is anything to eat over at the zoo?

[Austin Moore]

...

[Charles Ward]

USSR eliminated famines and had higher caloric consumption than the US. And you are correct, the USSR had healthy population growth. Now compare that to late stage capitalist countries where there is negative population growth. All these countries are massively importing immigrants to keep the economy growing. Capitalism requires endless growth, it is not a realistic system.

[Christopher Taylor]

>Being this much of Porky's cockholster

[Joseph Myers]

can always eat each other in case of extreme emergency, china been through that
isnt communism awesome? truly lets one explore and appreciate all different typpes of food
theepochtimes.com/n3/2241170-cannibalism-the-pinnacle-of-communist-rule/

[Isaiah Richardson]

>Currently the Communist Party of China is overseeing the fastest economic expansion and improvement of quality of life in human history.
So, ok, the best and most robust communism is what China has right now?
That's the communism?

[Daniel Fisher]

diaf commy rat

[Joshua Edwards]

Could very well happen some time down the line, but currently what is happening in China is the fastest improvement in living standards in human history.

[Asher Reed]

Calling each other comrade doesn't make you guys sound cool

[Bentley Morgan]

That's simply because Commies were less oppresive in their Muslims regions, allowing them to breed like rabbits (they always hated Christians more).

In all rest of USSR, the population keep stagnating or declining, and only in the last (current) years it started to grow up again.

[Ian Allen]

Reminder that communism:

- Will forever exist under a capitalist system (food gathered by workers will be exported to global market for profit)

-Will install a bureaucratic despotism occupied by control freaks who have no idea how to run a small commune yet will relentlessly punish their subordinates for not maintaining their quotas

- Will continue to play subdivisions of people against each other to keep them busy fighting each other while the greedy politbureu consolidates the productivity of the "workers paradise"

You're smarter than this kids.
Remember: nobody likes a Stalin or a Hitler

[Robert Miller]

>So, ok, the best and most robust communism is what China has right now?
>That's the communism?
Personally I'd call it socialism, but if you assume the USSR was Communist, I think China is Communist along the same lines.

[Colton Harris]

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage 4
Nod real gommunism. Nexzt gountry :DD

[Andrew Richardson]

So you're saying the grocery stores were cleared out every day then magically restocked over night?

[Ryan Davis]

...

[Lincoln Bennett]

>keep moving forward
>literally crashes every ten years
lol

[Joseph Walker]

No but I would say the Gorbachev was a piece of shit. And that Perestroika enabled open theft.

[Charles Turner]

>Currently the Communist Party of China is overseeing the fastest economic expansion and improvement of quality of life in human history.
nytimes.com/2016/04/12/world/asia/china-underground-water-pollution.html
>More than 80 percent of the water from underground wells used by farms, factories and households across the heavily populated plains of China is unfit for drinking or bathing because of contamination from industry and farming, according to new statistics that were reported by Chinese media on Monday, raising new alarm about pollution in the world’s most populous country.

[Xavier Rogers]

And then why a Chinese, who know his countrymen were starvings under socialist economy, and living well under a capistalist economy, would trust you thugs to return to socialism and then to his further stage?

[Xavier Bennett]

...

[Xavier Adams]

they embraced state capitalism.

I like how you use Communist Party of China instead of Chinese Communist Party -- probably means you're a shill. Only shills use CPC over CCP.

[Julian Jenkins]

A communist society would free individuals from long working hours by first automating production to an extent that the average length of the working day is reduced and second by eliminating the exploitation inherent in the division between workers and owners. A communist system would thus free individuals from alienation in the sense of having one's life structured around survival (making a wage or salary in a capitalist system), which Marx referred to as a transition from the "realm of necessity" to the "realm of freedom." As a result, a communist society is envisioned as being composed of an intellectually-inclined population with both the time and resources to pursue its creative hobbies and genuine interests, and to contribute to creative social wealth in this manner. Karl Marx considered "true richness" to be the amount of time one has at his or her disposal to pursue one's creative passions. Marx's notion of communism is in this way radically individualistic.

[Jack King]

So, who dies first after the revolution?

What if Americans don't want to give up their property, jobs, guns, or don't want to work on a farm?

What's Plan B ?

[Easton Lee]

Ok then, because China at this point is "communism" in nothing but the name even by your own standards.

[Wyatt Wright]

Communism hasn't worked, will never work.

Your imaginary utopia will only ever be imaginary.

[Julian Myers]

theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/mar/31/china-beijing-air-pollution-smog-business-crackdown-fines-spot-checks
Western countries used to have worse pollution while they were using coal as the primary source of energy and had larger industrial bases.
The Communist Party of China is aware of the environmental issues the rapid economic growth caused and is doing it's best to improve the situation, in the meanwhile you have Capitalist countries denying the existence of climate change or the necessity of environmental regulation.

[Michael Bennett]

3 bombs for commies

[Justin Robinson]

Hey guys!

[Jose Gray]

>would be
>would do
And that's all there is to it: daydreaming.
Well, actually, no. There is also brutal oppression of dissidents and denial of historical facts.
That's the true gommunism trio.

[Evan Robinson]

Proper communist ideology is far better than the tyrannical antisemetic ideals of Nazism. The USSR would have been still around and successful if it wasn't for Stalin

[David Morgan]

>Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

No, it isn't. It's the stage where humans are degraded into servile insects that lose their Folk, culture, identity, will, and soul. Communism is the great death. Of body, of mind, and of spirit.

Every man unto his needs is a materialistic LIE. You are born with the spark of TRUTH, and it is your RIGHT (not your need) to connect and develop with your comrades in Folk.

We know what we fight for.
Death to commiefags!

[Matthew Edwards]

...

[Nathan Scott]

>workers are the ruling class
how you ever met the workers? they're stupid as fuck, i don't want them in charge of anything.

[Chase Watson]

scientists and engineers are workers too

worker = wage-earner laborer

[Jace Lewis]

makes no sense what you say

[Easton Rodriguez]

China is currently a socialist economy. 100 Million people are employed in State owned enterprises.
>Not real Communism argument
It's as Communist for me as the Soviet Union was which I'd prefer to call Socialism guided by a Communist party. But I don't want to make the
>not real Communist
argument. So to keep things relatively simple I'm calling China and the Soviet Union Communist

[Kevin Garcia]

>Communism hasn't worked, will never work.
So the USSR just used magic to meme itself into an industrial, military, space superpower. Got it.

youtube.com/watch?v=8PLoSMIandg

[Asher Edwards]

Real Communism: Failure is always someone else's fault.

[Chase Wood]

nypost.com/2017/08/04/china-destroys-sassy-bots-after-they-bash-communism/

[Michael Torres]

Go to Venezuela or Cuba.

[Wyatt Price]

Communist antipathy, mein Kameraden

[Carson Rivera]

isn't it sad to live in a system which needs a mass of alienated ignorant people to survive and is not going to do shit about it?
capitalism is limiting human potential.

[Luis Scott]

meme magic, and a some milions of dead people.

But at least the survivors now are living in a Communist paradise, right?

Right?

[Isaac Taylor]

>meme magic, and a some milions of dead people.
Those poor Nazi invaders

>But at least the survivors now are living in a Communist paradise, right?
Capitalist hellhole. All the wealth left the country thanks to capitalism.

[Jason Jones]

Actually Perestroika was the movement away from Communism to a market based economy, food shortages weren't really a thing in 1974 Russia, they were a massive issue in 1994 Russia.

[Nathaniel Nelson]

Revolution soon comrades.

[Michael Collins]

And a bunch of evil capitalists destroyed your glorious communist paradise