Afghanistan

[Oliver Reed]

Whenever we decide to fully withdraw from Afghanistan, how will it be any different from 2014 when Obama tried to withdraw and a power vacuum was created? Based on my firsthand experiences, here are some reasons why I think a unified, democratic Afghanistan will never be able to stand on its own:
>Too many ethic groups/tribes fighting to secure power for their people only. No sense of national unity (for the most part).
>Rampant corruption in every arm of the government, police, and military, at every level.
>The majority of their military is under equipped, and basically untrained (soldiers using sticks in place of guns during training, never having ammo to go to the range, etc.)
>Their military has relied too much on the U.S., their soldiers can't fight, and their generals can't properly plan/strategize.
>When I was there last (2013) morale was extremely low because the afghans knew we were supposed to leave next year, and they were going to be slaughtered. Many defected because of this, and the fact the they hadn't been paid in months. I'm sure things have changed, but as soon as we leave I can see this happening all over again.
>Many afghan civilians that I met had no interest whatsoever in the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. They didn't recognize it, and wanted no part in it. What they were interested in was being goat/poppy farmers, practicing conservative islam, and having their clan/tribe being left out of the war.

Basically, no matter how much money we pour into Afghanistan's military, or infrastructure, (which is still shit) it will never be fully independent. If you think I'm wrong, I'd like to hear input from others who have been there, or know more about this place than I do (I honestly don't know much, just have my memories to go off of).

[Jacob Bailey]

I know Trump said we are not nation building anymore, we are killing terrorists, but he also said we will have victory, for the ones who died fighting. What would constitute a victory in this situation? How can that be realistically achieved?

[Anthony Powell]

Seriously, why Trump decided to stay in Afghanistan?

[Mason Kelly]

youtube.com/watch?v=vdfcf-cvJL4

[Henry Jackson]

Sum up please, this is too long
You really have nothing to win in Afghanistan why do you even care about this piece of land?

[Jaxon Bennett]

Afghanistan will always be a shit hole as long as it's Islamic.

[Henry Bennett]

cant you us guys give the usbek part to ubekistan, the tadjik part to tadjikistan, the pashtun part maybe independend maybe to pakistan
and then give a chunk of it to iran for the afghan shias, and then those countrys figure shit out?

[Isaiah Allen]

We are not leaving Afghanistan until China is defeated, I will see to that. We won't abandon a strategic territory on China's western flank.

[Jonathan Phillips]

Yeah, you're right, but it doesn't matter. We shouldn't get out because it's what would be good for that country but because it's what's good for us. These worthless expensive military ventures are destroying this country.
>What would constitute a victory in this situation?
Oh, nothing, that's the point. Just like Vietnam, like Iraq, Korea, both the "World Wars" and all these other meaningless wars there's nothing to be achieved except the practice of war. But that's enough to be profitable so it will continue.

[Blake Bell]

Difference is Obama did not want to kill his fellow muslims.