So Nazis are fascists, right?

I see a lot of people talking bullshit about Nazis being socialists. Pol thoughts? Was Hitler a socialist? Can us communists at the 6 gorrillion to our body count?

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Way more than 6 million, mate.

Hitler borrowed certain economic ideas from socialism but not Marxian socialism. Nazism was neither right or left, perhaps closer to a truly radical centrist ideology.

Marxism is the exact opposite of socialism.
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This. Sarcuck of Akkad is the next Hitler. You heard it here first, folks.

The black book of communism has been discredited a long time ago. The numbers were highly inflated even according to some of the participating authors.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism#Criticism

I think the best way to describe national socialism is to say that while fascism is absolute dedication to the state, natsoc is absolute dedicated to the race. Like fascism for the race rather than the state.

I'm not sure that he's down for purging yet.

This makes sense to me.

NSDAP = NationalSozialistische Deutsche ArbeiterPartei
>NationalSozialistisch
>Sozialistisch

>Was Hitler a socialist?
Are you retarded or what? It's in the goddamn name of his party

>internationalist genociding people by class
>nationalist genociding people by race

Both part of the same control system.

Is north korea democratic you dumb cuck?
People's republic of china?

Well one overthrew the legitimate government and the other took their country back from foreign influence and were demonized for it. Not the same in the least.

Hitler framed Marxism as Nazism's ultimate enemy, but frequently criticized capitalism. Free enterprise was allowed in Nazi Germany insofar as it served the interest of the State. National and international socialism are both about sucking governmental dick though.

Hitler WAS a socialist

Authoritarians are cancer regardless of economic policy. The further you go down the auth rabbit hole, either side just turns to heavy murder of anyone they don't like

And in regards to economic policy, Hitler was more left than right. He's only considered 'right' at all because of the wartime economy. The Italians actually were right wing, as fascists. The Nat Socs were more like commies except anti-Jew rather than pro

But the Reich wasn't...

I would have gone so far to say that's what fascism is, since fascists are associated with people like Mussolini who quite literally was trying to replicate rome, thus lineage=history=state. But yeah, it seems natsoc is distinct by ensuring representation and economic agency by race, but outside of that can concern itself with socialist ideas like healthcare if it wants

It worked well at least, proven it was possible

Martial rule is better than mob rule. The time is ripe for a king.

>It worked well
The only reason it worked was 70-80% taxation on non germans and forced labor. The economy was poised to fail was it not for constant war. Regulation and hefty taxation make it hard to prosper.
In short, the economy was shit and would push the country into bankruptcy.

>national SOCIALIST
it's in the fucking name you mongs

no they were not socialists. they were third position. aka capitalists that are only socialist when under pressure.

Both ideologies are proven by history to be despotic and tyrannical, adherents to either should be tried for treason and executed.

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Sure, Yugo had 0% unemployment, what's your point, that the economy was great?

this post is so bland but extreme at the same time how is that possible

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Do you agree with this man?

>employ 30% of the population
>GPD goes up
You are missing the core point here, the economy itself did not improve under dolfi. Yugo is the perfect example and comparison to the third reich, the growth in GDP is too low as the west was improving faster.

It's about the advancement and well being of race and nation, not marxian class conflict or 21st century gibsmedat "socialism."
The NSDAP rose to power in direct competition with communists. The term "socialist" was adopted first and foremost to entice those flirting with the idea of marxism into their ranks.

>add an extra 30% to total economic output through employment
>GDP grows by 280% in 6 years

Your maths aint that good. Your eyesight either. You can't claim that the west was growing faster as a whole when GDP of France dropped either.

You're full of shit.

>implying and country in eu was "westernized"
>implying they didn't have protectionism instead of free trade
>implying I didn't mean USA by west
So how much do you think the GDP would drop in Germany if we unemployed 30% of the population in the next 5 years?
>reddit spacing

I can tell you that it wouldn't drop by a division factor of 2.8.

Take a look at the example of Spain. At it's peak, unemployment during the current (and not even ending) economic slump was at it's highest at 28%, up from 6-8% prior to the GFC. So you have almost the same level prior to and after as Germany. Their economy dropped by ~20% at it's lowest point.

So how did the economy raise in germany so much in that short amount of time then, pre forced labor that is?

He was a commie, but nationalist.

An anonymous fascist journalist? Probably not.

it was bankrupt, no resources. he created meaningless labour, like digging in earth...so he was forced to attack nation to keep his population distracted.

We're talking 1933-1939, so no wars there, nor digging in the earth.

germany haz relative big population and very little resources, when he took office he realized how shitty german economy was and everything was bankrupt, he asked jews for loans and they deny, so he killed them and took their money, this wasnt enough, so he invaded other countries to feed his nation.

Not pre 1939 and he killed no jews, they were encouraged to go to Israel pre war.

Kept the tax rate on the individual citizen low (13.7%), doubled the corporate tax rate.

Instead of doing the Thatcher doctrine of controlling inflation, he implemented massive public works programs to employ as many people as possible to get the economy running again, after which those public workers generally shifted into the private sector once output increased again.

Used considerable deficit spending to ensure maximum economic growth, but issued another form of currency directed specifically at heavy industry (that they could use to trade resources and workers between themselves) so that inflation didn't spiral out of control.

He invested heavily into science and research to create new technologies to expand intellectual capacity.

He seized the property and resources of the money hoarding element of the jewish population and directed it towards production.

He ensured maximum productivity by investing in the happiness and health and wellbeing of the average German citizen, with fitness programs among youth groups as an example.

Those are the main ones, I think. And every time I say "he" I should be saying "The NSDAP", but you get the picture.

Nice education, not your fault I guess.

Not all Socialists are communists, not all Socialists are Marxists. The word and idea of "Socialism" predates Marx by decades. National Socialism was anti-capitalism, but that doesn't make them communists by default. National Socialism was both anti-capitalism and anti-marxism and considered the central pillar of Marxism (egalitarianism) to be a farce.

I just have a knack for it I guess.
IRL people are usually pretty surprised when I take them down. They mistake quiet reserve for weakness and they miss the warnings.
But yeah, all this totalitarian shit isn't funny anymore, it's time for the little larping cocksuckers to back off. Somebody could get hurt.

hitler was north korea like socialist

he latter became internationalist, taking, albanians, bulgarins, romanians, spanish etc volunteers.

he was a commie on practical terms.

Besides non germans having taxes up to 70%. And those sector taxes... this seems that it paralyzed the private sector, which is proven to grow faster and invest more into technology than any socialist investing.
So the only reason the GDP raised so much is semi nationalization of wealth/companies and debt/inflation. Not sure how that could be called wise or a good healthy economy, such acts always bite you in the ass.
He was also part of the commie party for a short time...

I always wanted to ask a German themself on what National Socialism is, since Germans understand Hitler. Could you give me some accurate sources on NS?

And also, don't they teach you about this stuff in school or is what you're taught in schools bullshit like in the US?

>encouraged to go to Israel pre war.
their was no israel. he became antijew, simply because they refused to give him loans for war.

>hitler was north korea like socialist

North Korea assumes total control over all economic areas of the country, the Third Reich did not, it had a market economy for all consumer sectors and privatized elements of the economy like the Reichsbahn(railway) system.

North Korea implemented a policy of complete Autarky, The Third Reich implemented autkarky only where it was economically viable and recognized what resources it did and didn't have (opened up trade to Sweden for Iron ore, Romania for Oil, etc.).

North Korea doesn't have private property, the Third Reich protected private property.

It's like saying a dog is a "sloth like animal". You're utterly wrong.

>this seems that it paralyzed the private sector, which is proven to grow faster and invest more into technology than any socialist investing.

You missed the point. I didn't say "the state took over ALL elements of research and development" did I? I said that the state invested heavily into research. The private sector still had research, but sometimes the state went out of the way to fund private research that it deemed important or useful.

And the second thing to note about that is not all technologies have an immediately discernable profit motive, meaning the private sector has ZERO reason to do anything in regards to it. Example: WIFI. It was developed by the public Australia research organization, the CSIRO, which created it even though there wasn't a market for it for many years.

>So the only reason the GDP raised so much is semi nationalization of wealth/companies and debt/inflation.

When you compare it to the current capitalistic system: a semi-monopolization of wealth/companies and massive debt-driven consumerism. Yeah, that isn't sustainable either. You're seeing what you choose to see, that which fits into your ideological worldview beaten into your skull since birth.

>He was also part of the commie party for a short time...

No, he wasn't.

>inb4 Achmed

well what they teach in (((school))) is bullshit anyway.

NS came much latter. the party was called DAP=Deutsche Arbeiter Partei=German Labour Party. ...lil bit latter the added NS, meaning National Socialist German Worker Party.

Germany at that time was very similar to north korea, hard physical labour, no critique of regime, no free speech, gays, "Bibelforscher"=Bibleresearchers, jews, social democratic, communist got killed or sent to Gulags. The germans praising those times are same like norks praising the juche regime.

A lot of brainwashing, lots of propaganda and lies. Would take me lots of time to explain, but watch this, bill cooper got killed for a reason...

youtube.com/watch?v=5dxQa0_vVx8&t=2437s

The most propagandized education system in the world (in regards to the Third Reich) is of course Germany. But one of the German exchange students we had at my family home years ago said that the public attitude about Hitler was always negative, but those same people in private and at home would speak about him more critically and sometimes positively. Proof in my mind that you can't indoctrinate anyone fully without the facts.

>total control over all economic areas of the country, the Third Reich did not, it had a market economy for all consumer sectors and privatized elements of the economy like the Reichsbahn(railway) system.
it says REICHSBAHN, no privacy, state controled everything. even the birthrate.

their was no freedome, simple because germans dont like it at all, they need a fatherfigure which fix all, they love to serve.

mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

He just took the word away from the Marxists and applied it to an ancient concept. The concept that he was highlighting is similar to "the commons" in the English tradition.

Did you even read the quote you posted? Hitlers version of socalism is completly different to your version of socalism. Not to mention Hitler called it National Socalism to suit the current political climate, he even said he regreted naming his movement that.

Hitler was Juche.

>Germany at that time was very similar to north korea, hard physical labour

Relative to today there was hard physical labour? Yeah. But the National Socialist regime implemented fixed working weeks, banned unfair dismissals, fixed work breaks, added libraries and break rooms to large industrial sites (factories, etc.). Those are the facts.

>gays,

Discrimination of Gays was widespread in all western countries, with gays being arbitrarily killed in all major western countries and often the state did nothing about it. The removal of openly gay people from society in Nazi germany was barely one step up from that.

> no free speech

I wonder why. Might have something to do with the fact that all of the notable news papers and leaflets prior to the rise of the Nazi Party were owned by Jews. Go figure.

Thankyou for highlighting to everyone in the thread how utterly wrong and/or stupid you are. Every single place on the internet that looks into the topic specifically states that when the National Socialists took power they went out of their way to PRIVATIZE (that means move into private ownership and operation) of the Reichsbahn system.

>no privacy, state controled everything. even the birthrate.

Factually INCORRECT again. You really have been indoctrinated, haven't you? Poor fool.

The top personal tax rate in Nazi Germany was 13.7%. Private property was protected. Economic activity was directed but not operated nor owned by the state, but by private individuals (with key exceptions like the Armaments industry).

I know I've said this several times now, but you are FACTUALLY INCORRECT.

Juche->"To make revolution in Korea we must know Korean history and geography as well as the customs of the Korean people. Only then is it possible to educate our people in a way that suits them and to inspire in them an ardent love for their native place and their motherland."

German NatSoc->"To make revolution in Germany we must know Germany history and geography as well as the customs of the German people. Only then is it possible to educate our people in a way that suits them and to inspire in them an ardent love for their native place and their fatherland."

everything you said is correct, but the state owned everything.

no privacy, their is no conecpt of privacy in germany

>private individuals
yes, but they wer all part of the party....so it is state owned, basicly you own something and the state owns you type. capish ?

>everything you said is correct, but the state owned everything.

If you consider that to be the case, then every country that has a state apparatus technically "owns" everything, delegitimizing everything you've said.

Here in Australia for instance the state has laws in place that allow it to forcefully purchase any private property so that public construction (roads, parks, etc.) and it is far from Nazi Germany.

>Here in Australia for instance the state has laws in place that allow it to forcefully purchase any private property so that public construction (roads, parks, etc.) and it is far from Nazi Germany.
Thats how it is here, if you dont pay taxes for the LAND you own or HOUSE you own, they take it away.

That is socialism dude. Total control of the state.

Lmfao
>This isn't TRUE Socialism
>Hitler was conservative because his ideas weren't radical Marxist.

Fascism is essentially Socialism without the retarded pretense of Internationalism, because A: Internationalism has NEVER worked for anything ever, and B: Internationalism is evil and serves no purpose whatsoever except to benefit capital.

The Germans do this pretty cool thing where when they name something, they just describe it and then remove the spaces between the words. National Socialism (Nationalsozialismus) is literally just a description of what Fascism actually is.

When all industries and actions in a nation are coordinated for the specific benefit of that nation and no others, it is Fascism. Irony: You are 100% a fascist. Actually almost everybody is, including 80% of leftypol. The only reason they pretend to oppose it is because their other National Socialist faction--the USSR--had aesthetics they liked more.

>b-but muh workers
Marx described the Proletariat as a nation all its own. You are a National Socialist. Period. You simply define your Nation in a way that doesn't work because neither class nor class consciousness are real. This is why every "Communist" country has just turned into National Socialism.

The ultimate redpill is that the "Communists are the REAL Fascists" is actually only slightly wrong: Fascists were the real Fascists, and Communists crudely and ineffectively aped the glory of Fascist countries. If you had simply embraced the Organic State from the beginning, your chickenshit ideology might be something more than fodder for Slavoj Zizek's speeches.

The irony is, it doesn't matter how many times you try it, we'll always win because our nation is real, and yours isn't. You can't stand for an identity group that doesn't exist no matter how hard you try. Even SJWs are better than hardline Marxists because faggots and trannies are real, but "The Proletariat" aren't. You cannot find me a Prole, you can only find me a person who does things that you arbitrarily ascribe to a prole, but who holds his own opinions.

>Nazis
>Not international

Sweet Jesus Baby, you are such retards men.

>Sun News
More Ezra BS.

Not saying it's fake, but I don't trust garbage from him.

Let me cringe a little bit harder. The fact that the Third Reich cooperated with other nations does not make it "international," it makes it a cooperation of nations. The NSDAP never had ANY pretense of extending beyond its own borders, but rather of encouraging other countries to become NatSoc themselves--but NatSoc for their own Nations. Or else destroying them, but, that's what you do when it's your nation or theirs.

Explain your actual disagreement here. The NatSoc goal was for every race and people to have their own nation, their own place, their own people. It was NOT to blend people into a homogenous blob based on retarded and low-information ideas of "class," or somesuch nonsense. The difference is one between a mountain range full of distinct peaks and the same range ground down into a field of undifferentiated gravel.

clues in the name

That's the most retarded argument. I keep seeing that. I mean you could say they spent millions on infrastructure to get people working. But the name had little to do with the actual party. He named it that to lure the workers.

Great bait, kike.

>Let me cringe a little bit harder. The fact that the Third Reich cooperated with other nations does not make it "international,
it does.

Yes he was a socialist
In terms of, he wanted an authoritarian state, which basically helped the volk, in terms of social and financially support
A safety net for the people, but only if you do your best, and basically earn it
Hitler lowered the unemployment rate from 7 ? million to basically 0, everyone had work, everyone had enough money to have a good life
If someone was sick, he of course got helped
Hitler was also very much into camaraderie, and wanted the people to give money to poor people
He just wanted the best for the people, and i guess you could call him socialist
His volk came before everyone else, a mindset to support them, but only if you do your best
Which represents the party name, national socialist workers party
He also wanted to get rid of the social classes, like poor and rich, he wanted everyone to have enough money to be able to afford a house, car ( todays upper middle class ) this was his goal
and socially he also wanted the classes gone
He wanted to unite his people, and it doesnt work if someone thinks he is something better only because he is a teacher instead of a roadworker
Hitler wanted a white europe, a white utopia, and he was very close to achieving it
He did not want to genocide all races that arent white, this is complete bullshit
He just knew, the Jews with their Kalergi Plans and race mixing and where it would lead
He did not want that
He wanted white people to have a safe place, which is europe, where they could be themselves, free and wealthy

>If someone was sick, he of course got helped
Except retards, he executed them.
>He wanted white people to have a safe place, which is europe, where they could be themselves, free and wealthy
Yeah totaly helped to kill 60 million whites and create white guilt so jews could take control of europe and create israel.

>he wanted this kind of race roaming europe.

Fasvism is inherent to socialism due to its drive for state centralisation. It's a hisyorical fact.

>implying he wasnt the initiator of the kalergi plan

Controlled Saturnian opposition.
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Socialism is retarded concept. It is made for stupid people who dont want to think for themselfs, slaves, drones, retards. You will never progress because people are different, so the strong ones are kinda forced to help the weak ones, to make everything equal. The strong ones simply stop being strong in order to stop feed the retards or help them, why should i compete ? Why should i make effort if what i achieve trough hard labour or cunning sleverness will be taken away and distributed to the morons.

National Socialism is more retarded. Basicly you have to share just because this guy is same nation as you are. Even if you dont like him, you are forced to be nice to him.