Pagans BTFO

Pagans BTFO Thread
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>when an alliance of catholics, hussite heretics and lithuanian pagans BTFO you so hard you turn protestant

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Some sects of gnostics consired drinking semen a form of eucharist.
So i guess all christians are cum-drinkers.

[citation needed]

gnostic are false christians, they were the first real heretics, they tried to repackage paganism

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>tfw Jesus was literally jacked from years spent as a carpenter

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Borborites
They were still christians. If you asked pagans about eating semen they would too consider it a form of being "fallen".
Also cut of your balls for jesus.
Matthew 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

>tfw empty churches

Nah, man. Churches are full.

No gnostics pretended to be christians, but they were certainly not, they just tried to repackage hellenism. They were closer to manicheism and zoroastrism than to Christianity.

There were many sects, some even denied that Christ was crucified, the very essence of Christianity.

I advise you to read "against heresies" by Saint Irenaeus of Lyons (3rd century)

I want to be there as a white woman. Glorious.

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They were still christians. Paul denied jesus did any miracles. Was he not a christian?

Pagans deserve the rope too.

It's actualy not from Phlegon
Origen claimed it was in Phlegon. But i wouldn't trust a guy who cut his own balls and then bleed to death.

It was the early gnostics that gave real Christians a bad name. The followers of Basilides and Simon Magus mainly. They did shit like explaining that the passage from Acts of Apostles "and they held everything in common" meant that they could hold each others wives in common, eg have orgies. Carpocratians, another gnostic sect, went further and demanded indulgence in the most vile of sins so that they "could be forgiven". They were perversions of the true Faith. And these people, inspired by Satan of course, called themselves Christians on purpose.

I told you they were not. Read Irenaeus, google it, it's online.

>empty churches
of course nobody wants to go to a church that looks like that. Some churches are so packed on holidays that people have to stand at the door

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Are you a catholic? becouse if a ask a protestant he will claim YOU are not a christian.

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And then those protestants Gang rape you :DDD

And then they get replaced by muslims they love so much.

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Sweden used to have strict eugenic programs. Guess who ended them.

Meanwhile churches get burned down and destroyed, but better hate on pagans you cucks.

BTFO CHRISTIANS

Watched some Grzegorz Braun Videos I see :DDD. The protestant areas in Germany(schleswig holstein and Niedersachsen) are pretty white, while nrw is the california of Germany(mainly catholic).

Well, then good for them. Living in closed enclaves agains evergrowing tide of shitskins worked great for Boers.

Only europeans celebrate the destruction of nature.

The Oaks where the holy trees of Wodan / Odin, then the christcucks tried to destroy them all. Now Paganism is growing in numbers and Christianity is declining.

Christians not the first time side with semites over pagans.

That's horseshit. I'm an anti-papist protestant but I still believe that all Catholic are Christians, even though we disagree on almost all doctrine.

If you believe in the Trinitiarian Christian God and accept Christ as your savior, you are a Christian.

>anti-papist protestant
>uses deus vult flag
LARPing readings are off the charts!

>Implying we wont Form Nova Prussia and butcher Poles and catholic Germans under the supreme Kaiser rule

I use that flag because there is no christian flag and Deus Vult is the closest thing.

Protestants may not like Catholics, but I've never met a single protestant who would go as far as saying that Catholicism is not a form of Christianity.

In the Dutch civil war there was a saying,
''Better to be Turkish then to be Catcholic''
(Liver Turcx dan paus)
So if ur a real protestant you wouldnt have a catholic flag.

Yep, twice a year. With old people.

Dream on. Or i guess you would do so with a BASED godly nigger as new Kaiser. Quite fitting.

Yeah, when degeneracy is on the rise paganism naturally rises too. It will fade with time sooner or later again, don't worry. History has showed that

You are betraying your ancestors here.

Soon you will have to kiss that flag Paweł ;DDD

Nah, germans are into that. They just love nothing more than killing whites.

You are betraying your ancestors that lived 500-1000 years ago, pagancuck. Cherrypicking your ancestors is bs

I'm a protestant, just not stuck in the 17th century.

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>not stuck in the 17th century
Fucking degenerate

How many germans are in germany still? Put a crescent moon on that flag and i might get scared.

Jesus died a virgin lol

Paganism as you almost certainly imagine it IS jewish propaganda. It is a construct made up by Jewish-dominated past-Enlightenment academia that has almost fucking nothing in common with what even ancient Greeks, never mind practicers of paganisms from which very little survived to our day, like that of the Norse, actually believed. It was made up to seem anything more than a collection of bloody and incosistent superstitions specifically to undermine Christianity.

Take a look at the most advanced paganism in history, Hinduism. A small bunch of Christian adventurers BTFOed a whole sub-continent its adherents and their descendants only failed to kept India under their thumb due to events that flowed from the Europe abandoning Christianity. Hinduism also was not very successful at teaching people to poo in loo of course.

>Christianity
>literally the religion of slave morality and muh meekness and love and guilt

Soon this beutifull protestant church will be free of the evil papists

Cool D&C Hans, wanna take it to the white house?

How do you argue against the whole "christianity makes people into pussies who don't mind being ravaged by refugees and racemixing cuz lmao we are all equal"?

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Because Christians were not cuckolds for 99% of their history. The whole, "let refugees fuck my shit up" thing is a recent anomaly and is being pushed my Marxist (((christians))).

However, Christians have always been devoted to helping people of any color or creed, we just usually went to them to help rather than bring them to us. That being said, I don't think a Christian can support deporting dark colored people if they are citizens. Therein lies the trouble with mixing Christianity and the alt-right. But you certainly don't need to racemix and non-citizens can get the fuck out.

But then why be a Christian now if Christians are all passive cucks? all that turn the other cheek, love thy neighbor shit turned to 100? Even the pope was kissing the feet of refugees. I went into the Chapel of bones this summer and they had fucking pro-refugee propaganda on it.

Also, are you against transhumanism or using stem cells?

>But then why be a Christian now if Christians are all passive cucks?

Well, the proper response to that question is that if you believe Jesus Christ is your savior, if you believe in the trinity and that God is...well, your god... then it doesn't matter how toxic your Christian brothers become. It's up to you to keep the faith and to spread the true meaning of the Gospels.

Yes we should love thy neighbor, but that does not mean we need to destroy our own home. Let us grow seeds where they are sown rather than uproot them and put them here.

Always try and turn the other cheek. But that doesn't mean to let yourself perish if the enemy is killing you. No church father, no early Christian writer and very few theologians would honestly say that Christ's teaching regarding "turn the other cheek" rules out self defense. Even the pacifists of the 20th century believed in the right to stop someone from killing you.

Marxism has invaded the churches across the world. If we love Jesus than we should not stand for it.

>are you against transhumanism or using stem cells?

I'm not really fit to answer the questions as I know very little about both. My uninformed answer would be that I am for the use of stem cells (I actually work in the medical field and I'm very in favor of their usage) and against transhumanism if it leads to getting rid of our flesh/natural humanism. But on the transhumanism thing I have no idea what I'm talking about.

And note that it is easier for me to oppose Marxist Church doctrine because I'm Protestant. A catholic might have a different view on the matter since their cardinals and Pope can set laws they MUST follow. Since I'm Church of England, I have the right to deny any parts of our shitty marxist doctrine without fear of losing my salvation. In our church, the bishops set policy but I don't have to agree with all of it. My parish has a traditional liturgy and our vicars are against all the Marxist nonsense that has infected our church and the worldwide church.

Transhumanism is like that deus ex shit nigga, like cybernetic arms and UI eyeballs

Also, is there a clear and visible infiltration of marxism? How would I go about explaining that to someone when they say "you fool, it's just how christianity has always been, you're deluded, even the pope acts this way and he knows more than you" or "good, it's evolved"

As for the whole jew thing, how do you defend that christians aren't jewish puppets?

Do you think Islam is Evil

Despite being able to agree with the moral and philosophical aspects of Christianity, how can you believe in the divine metaphysical aspects of it without any semblance of proof? is it just "I believe because I feel it brah it's faith" type thing?

Is orthodoxy the only way?

What is heaven like? It sounds like being on super duper heroin forever desu

I'm not being accusatory, I just want to understand your views as a christian

>I'm not being accusatory, I just want to understand your views as a christian

Of course, and I'm happy to answer them.

>Also, is there a clear and visible infiltration of marxism?

Yes, in the mainline churches the majority of clergy setting policies are graduates of Ivy league schools or left-wing seminaries. You can find classes like "Queer Theology" (Yale Divinity School) being taught in the first year. I know a lot of graduates who are red pilled though, so don't hate on all of them. But the professors are apologetically left-wing if not Marxist. The Catholics are experiencing attraction to Marxism via South American infiltration and a tendency to admire radical left-wing economic politics. The Pope is pretty open about this.

>How would I go about explaining that to someone when they say "you fool, it's just how christianity has always been, you're deluded, even the pope acts this way and he knows more than you" or "good, it's evolved"

First of all, don't be a Catholic. I would recommend Anglo-Catholicism that grew up from the original Ecclasia Anglicana of the English church. It no longer respects the pope. Second thing I would do is watch lectures on church history or read some books on it. It only takes a few weeks of reading to be able to refute this, you would need to put in the work though.

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There are reasons for great men to choose one religion or another.

The return to paganism it's, as many other religions have been before, a way for europeans to feel like such again, the same way Iranians are going back to zoratrianism, or we go back to pre-christian folklore, it seems larpy but it's serious reconstitution of traditional values, in the case of paganism a more nature oriented perception of reality.

Why do you christians get so angry about pagans? You are never this angry about your churches propagandizing for mass immigration?

>As for the whole jew thing, how do you defend that christians aren't jewish puppets?

It is impossible to deny that Christianity is not close with Judaism. However, Christ told his Apostles to convert the lost sheep of Israel, not to follow them. Our only interaction with Jews should really be that of conversation or reasonable socializing. We should not intermarry or allow them to rule us, that time is over.

>Do you think Islam is Evil

Islam is absolute, total, complete evil. It poisons everyone who comes in contact with it. It should be outlawed in the West.

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>You are never this angry about your churches propagandizing for mass immigration?
That would be preaching to the choir. Everyone on Sup Forums agrees that progressive churches are cancer. Unfortunately however the paganism meme has spread to quite a few people on Sup Forums so it is only right that we concentrate our efforts here trying to prevent it from spreading.

Can you give me any sources of that first claim? I'm inclined to believe you anyways but no one would believe me unless I provide evidence

Wait, I thought you HAD to respect the Pope because all types of Christianity revered him. God, with so many sects I don't know what's considered proper Christianity and heresy anymore. Isn't there the bible and that's it and you just follow it straight up?

How do I argue with someone being like "lol Christianity is as evil as islam Idort look at the IRA and the KKK and the Westboro baptists"?

I was arguing with someone and they said "hahah you get moderate muslims bro" and I said "yeah, I know some SEA ones at my university. They drink, smoke and fuck and say they're muslims in the same way most people say they're christian. They aren't really muslims" and I got "you can't decide who can and can't identify as a muslim! It's not up to you to judge! maybe the consider themselves muslim!"


and then I got "The bible also says to hate gays (and a bunch of other stuff) so you see it's just as evil as Islam! It's just christians aren't aware of all the evil backwards stuff!"

How would you reply to that?

>Despite being able to agree with the moral and philosophical aspects of Christianity, how can you believe in the divine metaphysical aspects of it without any semblance of proof? is it just "I believe because I feel it brah it's faith" type thing?

Faith is major, but consider this. God is often silent. When Jesus Christ was on the cross, he had to come to terms with the fact that his apostles had left him, people hated him and it was possible that all his preaching and his life's work was totally meaningless. His final words were literally, "God, why have you forsaken me?" And yet he held on in belief that the father must be watching him. Every time I read that part of the Gospel I feel some presence of God with me, it is so powerful. That's a large reason why I believe. Though God is often silent, he is still with us.

>Is orthodoxy the only way?

Orthodoxy is wonderful, I recommend you check it out. However, I'm an anglo-catholic (traditional Anglican) and that works best for me.

>What is heaven like? It sounds like being on super duper heroin forever desu

It's being the closest you can ever be to God.

Hope this helped you get a better view of traditional Christianity. Feel free to ask more if you'd like.

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All I learned from this is that atheism is just bad

Both cuckstianity and cuckganism are cuckhold religion

Europeans must convert to Yahwhism if they want to survive

>Can you give me any sources of that first claim? I'm inclined to believe you anyways but no one would believe me unless I provide evidence

Sure, pic related and I'll post another after this to show that the head of the Episcopal Church is a yale grad and most bishops are ivy league or marxist school grads.

>Wait, I thought you HAD to respect the Pope because all types of Christianity revered him.

Nope. Here's a breakdown on papal authority.

Catholics = Respect the Pope
Anglican = Queen is the defender of the faith, there is no Pope
Reformed = Protestant, no pope. Bible is absolute authority.
Orthodox = No Pope, but still a leadership figure

> Isn't there the bible and that's it and you just follow it straight up?

Anglican/Reformed Christians believe the bible is main authority but tradition also has a place in there as well.

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That just boils down to "I just believe it because I believe it" though. I really wish I was religious, I sincerely do, but I couldn't possibly agree with the divinity aspect without any proof. Why even choose Christianity over any other religion, since they all equally provide no proof for the divine?

Wait, I thought the pope was a position created by Jesus so that there'd always be some form of representative of God on earth. I really should study theology more.

I'm not Catholic

"Oh magical sandnigger in space, the god that does not belong to me"

Kill yourself, faggot

>How do I argue with someone being like "lol Christianity is as evil as islam Idort look at the IRA and the KKK and the Westboro baptists"?

KKK and Westboro baptists are small organizations. Again, you'll need to watch some lectures. Islamic invasions of Europe were a nightmare and although Christianity has done some bad things, Islam continues to do evil all across the world. It never grew out of it.

>and then I got "The bible also says to hate gays (and a bunch of other stuff) so you see it's just as evil as Islam! It's just christians aren't aware of all the evil backwards stuff!"

No, no. The Bible does not condone homosexual relationships,but we shouldn't hate homosexuals. We should pray for them and love them, but not condone it. Christianity is transformation, it often makes us go against our nature. We must hope that ALL of God's children can find a way to lead better lives. There are some crazier fundamentalists who believe that the bible says to kill homosexuals, but that was a law of living in Jerusalem, nothing more.

>That just boils down to "I just believe it because I believe it" though. I really wish I was religious, I sincerely do, but I couldn't possibly agree with the divinity aspect without any proof. Why even choose Christianity over any other religion, since they all equally provide no proof for the divine?

I recommend taking a day and just reading the Gospels. Read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and just contemplate the meaning. Meditate on Jesus and try to allow God to speak to you. I'm not the type to engage in argument about proof other divine as it is such a personal thing.

Fuck off u faggit kike

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According to popular conception, Jesus was crucified during the thirty-third year of His
life and in the third year of His ministry following His baptism. About A.D. 180, St.
Irenæus, Bishop of Lyons, one of the most eminent of the ante-Nicene theologians, wrote
Against Heresies, an attack on the doctrines of the Gnostics. In this work Irenæus
declared upon the authority of the Apostles themselves that Jesus lived to old age. To
quote: "They, however, that they may establish their false opinion regarding that which is
written, 'to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,' maintain that He preached for one
year only, and then suffered in the twelfth month. [In speaking thus], they are forgetful of
their own disadvantage, destroying His whole work, and robbing Him of that age which
is both more necessary and more honourable than any other; that more advanced age, I
mean, during which also as a teacher He excelled all others. For how could He have had
His disciples, if He did not teach? And how could He have taught, unless He had reached
the age of a Master? For when He came to be baptised, He had not yet completed His
thirtieth year, but was beginning to be about thirty years of age (for thus Luke, who has
mentioned His years, has expressed it: 'Now Jesus was, as it were, beginning to be thirty
years old,' when He came to receive baptism); and, (according to these men,) He
preached only one year reckoning from His baptism. On completing His thirtieth year He
suffered, being in fact still a young man, and who had by no means attained to advanced
age.

>Allow God to speak to you

How do I know that that is happening?

Also, I'd just get "ISIS is also a small organization! Regular christians are just like regular muslims! Normal people like me and you!"

Wait, are you sure the bible doesn't say you should kill heathens of any kind, including homosexuals? I thought it was clear about how people like that are perverts and should die

Why should we not condone homosexuality anyways? Aren't homosexuals naturally homosexual, therefore created like that and not in control of their sexuality? Who are they hurting by being gay anyways? Perhaps it's bad for adopted kids, but they themselves harm no one, I imagine

Is the consumption of drugs (alcohol included) anti-christian, or does it depend on the amount consumed, addiction or other parameters?

>P-paganism is b-blue pilled right goys?
That these
analogies were recognized and used as a leverage in converting the Greeks and Romans
is evident from a perusal of the writings of Justin Martyr, another second-century
authority. In his Apology, Justin addresses the pagans thus:
"And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced
without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, Our Teacher, was crucified and died, and
rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you
believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter. * * * And if we assert that the
Word of God was born of God in a peculiar manner, different from ordinary generation,
let this, as said above, be no extraordinary thing to you, who say that Mercury is the
angelic word of God. But if any one objects that He was crucified, in this also He is on a
par with those reputed sons of Jupiter of yours, who suffered as we have now
enumerated."

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>Wait, I thought the pope was a position created by Jesus so that there'd always be some form of representative of God on earth. I really should study theology more.

Catholics believe that Jesus made Saint Peter the Vicar of Christ on Earth and that his position is defensible for papal authority. At the moment, the Pope is infallible when he speaks ex cathedra. (I say at the moment because the whole ex cathedra thing is relatively new)

Anglicans, Orthodox and Reformed (Protestant) Christians believe that Saint Peter was the first person to recognize that Jesus is the Lord and is the first true Christian. All Apostolic Succession comes from Peter, but there is no Pope who can claim to have perfect interpretation of God's word.

Here, I'll give you the passage in question so that you can see what all the debate is about.

Matthew 16:18

And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Catholics: On Peter the earthly Church is built completely. This justifies papal authority.

Anglican/Reformed: On Peter the earthly Church is built completely. He is the first Christian and Apostolic authority derives from him. This does not justify the Pope being a total authority figure or infallible.

>christinity is so based my fellow pedes, nevermind that the original teachings got butchered repeadedly over the ages

>At the moment, the Pope is infallible when he speaks ex cathedra. (I say at the moment because the whole ex cathedra thing is relatively new)

I'm a brainlet I didn't understand what you meant I'm sorry user. I just wanted to know how the whole pope thing works and why he's the head of the catholic church and where that whole thing began/why we still have popes

>How do I know that that is happening?

That I cannot answer. Faith is a struggle my friend, I work at it every day to keep it.

>Wait, are you sure the bible doesn't say you should kill heathens of any kind, including homosexuals?

100% positive. A class on the Old Testament will teach you that the old laws which called for the death of homosexuals, heathens and so on are laws for Jews living Jerusalem. That is why even the most Orthodox Christians don't follow all 400+ laws of the OT. Many of them were not applicable to Jews outside of the city. The NT does not say we must follow those laws.

> Aren't homosexuals naturally homosexual, therefore created like that and not in control of their sexuality? Who are they hurting by being gay anyways?

I'm not very big on being anti-gay, to be honest. If two men are in love with each other, don't have sex until marriage and stay devoted in marriage... you won't see me complain. I'm more against the degenerate side of homosexuality, and the numbers show that homosexuals have higher rates of degenerate behavior.

>"ISIS is also a small organization! Regular christians are just like regular muslims! Normal people like me and you!"

For arguements against Islam, I'd recommend going on youtube and listening to lectures that expose Islamisim for what it is. They are easy to find and I don't have the time to explain ll of it here. My apologies m8! I'll mostly stick to just the Christianity stuff.

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I'm not a Christian, but knowing anything about the early history of Christianity or Rome makes it hard to take paganism seriously. People who literally lived in mud huts were abandoning it over 2000 years ago. And when you factor in Julian Jaynes' work, it's just sad. Your ancestors heard the gods because their brains were incapable of consciousness and auditory hallucinations were part of their problem solving ability.

You can guess you're a retarded 9fag tier fucking faggot too.

You might not be very anti-gay, but isn't the bible objectively anti gay? furthermore, isn't the bible objectively anti gay marriage?

Oh wait, isn't the old testament based on the Torah? what's the deal with the old and new testament? is the new testament basically an updated version? how does the bible relate to either of these?

I'm sorry user I'm retarded

Sure. Allow me to rephrase. Catholics believe the Pope is the head of the Church because of the Matthew 16:18 passage and because historically, the Bishop of Rome was very powerful. They believe the Pope is an unbroken authority figure going straight back to Peter and that the Pope has authority over Christendom on Earth.

Anglicans/Reformed believe the Catholics took the Matthew passage too far. Orthodox disagree that the Bishop of Rome was central to Christianity during its early history. (And more reasons which I won't go into).

No, Jesus was not making a pun.

>Oh wait, isn't the old testament based on the Torah?

The Torah is the first five books of the Old Testament. The Old Testament is the Torah+the accepted cannon of religious texts before the birth of Christ.

>the new testament basically an updated version?

Not quite. The New Testament actually means "New Covenant" in the original Koine Greek. The new covenant still respects much of the Old Testament and basically all that Jesus does and says comes from OT rules and prophecy. Paul the Apostle was originally a Jew who had memorized just about all of the OT and found that Jesus was the fulfillment of the OT prophecy. The OT had said that a messiah would come to the house of Israel, but most Jews thought he would be like David and be a mighty warrior. It was shocking when Jesus came and his triumph over the Earth was by his death, rather than by him conquering everyone.