This is a thread for the discussion of anti-capitalist nationalism. We support the establishment of a workers state free of capitalist materialism and degeneracy.
Welcome: Strasserists National Bolsheviks Fascists Distributists Falange National Syndicalists National Socialists Juchists Jamahiriya Ba'athists Peronists Anyone who is interested in revolutionary nationalism.
Not Welcome: (((Lolbertardians))) (((Capitalists))) (((Anarchists))) left or right (((Internationalists)))
Soon I hope. Strasserist comrades deserve to be represented.
Mason Perry
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Caleb Diaz
this im getting pretty sick of being told to fuck off from leftypol for being a nazi and these genrals just get shitposted to seath by redditors
Andrew Hernandez
They'll still shitpost you and I say this as a NazBol that used to be a Strasserite. With that said, we're still growing in numbers and will continue to grow as the death of western liberalism accelerates.
Evan Garcia
>Being an unironic nazi in 2017
Justin Campbell
>last year we were called commies as an insult and this year it's nazis. People autisticly swing from basic bitch Stormweenie to basic bitch Antifa depending on the political climate. NazBols and Strasserites have moved beyond both stereotypical positions and taken the true redpill of economic leftism and social rightism.
Adam Moore
>not being at least some kind of third positionist You can even be an Integralist or something if you aren't willing to go full ethnonationalist. I think people stay at one position or the other, they just get louder as one side or the other starts to gain power.
Nathan Anderson
>National Socialists >Socialists Nationalists
When will you losers realizes the one true brand of racially aware nationalism in the modern world is democratic* social nationalism. We are to nazism what Sanders is to Socialism.
*not an egalitarian democracy
Sebastian Jenkins
>I think people stay at one position or the other, they just get louder as one side or the other starts to gain power. So basically autism vs autism? Strasserism is basically democratic national confederalism with a strongman leader if you read Germany tomorrow.
Josiah Perez
Basically. People who don't understand that the goal isn't to "beat antifa" or to "beat the Nazis," that the two groups are set against each other to keep them away from the (((real enemy))). >oh hey some cat lady got chad plowed, better go signal about muh nazis >ooh some dude with a spencer haircut got stabbed, better go signal about muh commies
Not that I'd really want to work with antifa unless they cleaned themselves up. But still.
Jason Allen
You're right, they're playing right into the hands of the power elite/capitalists/global financiers. The ironic thing is that the biggest "anti-capitalists" are pawns of the capitalist system and the biggest "nationalists" are pawns of globalism. Meanwhile the elitists and Jewish nepotists are laughing all the way to the bank, quite literally.
Hunter Edwards
What does /sng/ think of the description of National Socialist economics in this pastebin? Especially referring to the "Selected Explanation" section. Do you agree with the idea of a centrally directed state as opposed to a centrally planned one? Is production remedial in nature? Is class cooperation possible?
Admittedly I haven't read everything in the essential reading list. As for the idea of "class collaboration". The only way I think it could work is perhaps under the Strasserite economic model where wealth is distributed 1/3rd to managers, 1/3rd to workers and 1/3rd to the state. Although as a NazBol my ideas on class would be a little bit different than that.
Austin Brooks
I don't understand you and I'm conflicted. I thought nazbol was a meme.
Justin Ward
What are you conflicted about?
Blake Clark
Are you a race realist? Do you believe in the JQ?
Connor Morris
> > Although as a NazBol my ideas on class would be a little bit different than that. Could you elaborate a bit on this for me , user? Just curious.
Dominic Collins
Fucked up my post.
Jordan Wilson
>Are you a race realist? I'd so, considering I don't believe all the races are the same. >Do you believe in the JQ? Jews historically have been rootless cosmopolitans so they latch on to whatever system they think can suit them best. In my opinion capitalism most benefits Judaism because it puts individual interest over national and collective interests. The problem is that many within the modern "nationalist" movement want to have their cake and eat it too. They think we can continue with this unsustainable system and somehow maintain the nation at the same time. People have to realize that we can't have nationalism without a bit of individual sacrifice. We all must contribute to the collective interest if we are to survive.
Eli Perez
I've been quite fascinated with Ba'athism and Juche in particular. It isn't always easy to find good materials on them. I find myself agreeing with Assad's methods most since Syria is a very diverse area and has to take racial and religious factors into consideration.
Oliver Gutierrez
NazBols are to the left of Strasserites on class issues. While Strasserites would eliminate private property, they still have a managerial class collaborating with the working class. NazBols want to eliminate class all together because it is a dividing issue within the nation and because the upper classes are often the ones to sell out the nation to globalism. Ernst Niekisch (the original national bolshevik) hated the bourgeois in Germany because he saw them as selling Germany out to the western powers by cooperating with the treaty of Versailles. He saw national bolshevism as a proletarian liberation movement.
Well you're already better than commies and anarchists.
Do you believe in the ethno-state and eugenics?
Liam Martin
Herr durr... I love communism as long as it's nationalist.... fuckin morons. Drown yourselves.
Kayden Diaz
I believe in ethno-states but I have more of a realistic means to achieve it in the U.S. Basically, I'm waiting for U.S. balkanization so that the various cultural and ethnic regions secede which would lead to white U.S. ethno-states each with their own ideas on self determination. If multicultural California wants to go it's own way, I say let them. If white conservative Appalachia wants to go it's own way, I say let them go their own way as well. This is the most realistic way in which ethno-states will form in the U.S. That's why we need to accelerate the death of the U.S. empire so that this balkanization can occur. Only out of the ashes of the old can the birth of the new begin. It is the cyclical nature of history. As for Europe, I think a more hardline approach is necessary because it's less mongralized than the U.S. full Eugenics would be more realistic there along with ethnic purity standards.
Aaron Green
succ my weenee
Oliver King
How would you eliminate class? Income equality? If so, wouldn't class just take on a different defining factor? Something like accent/location, or maybe race, or maybe even physicality / beauty. Thank you for your reply, much appreciated.
Nicholas Morales
Well, class isn't really defined that way in the socialistic sense. As a matter of fact, class can also be eliminated even without complete income equality. The elimination of class would mean the public ownership over the means of production (i.e. the factories, farms, workshops, etc... etc...). Some prefer worker owned cooperatives, others prefer state ownership. Personally, I'd put the largest companies under the complete control of the state with smaller companies reorganized into cooperatives under a national guild system. With that said, I have to work tomorrow so I must be going to bed soon but I hope I've answered most of your questions.
Aiden Smith
post more cute pic
Ryan Fisher
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Thomas Clark
You have. Thank you, user. Have a good night man.
Jacob Smith
Here's a graph from Feder's Manifesto for the Abolition of Interest Slavery; note that the Rothschild fortune is meant to be 80 times larger than Industrial Capital, though such a graph couldn't represent such a value. It's meant merely to show that Industrial Capital stays within the finite while Loan Capital grows at an unbounded rate. It's one of the graphs that convinced me that banks, not industry, were the issue with financial problems and steered me away from communism to national socialism.
"An end to class prestige is reflected in practice by minimizing the gap between profit margins of the various occupations, so that profit becomes solely a function of the quality of work, and not of the genre of work. For example, an excellent doctor deserves to earn more than a mediocre doctor, but there is no reason why an excellent doctor should earn more than an equivalently excellent plumber." If you could standardize wages which would come from a central authority than I think using the above method would allow one to over time get rid of class conflict.
>Not Welcome: >(((Lolbertardians))) >(((Capitalists))) I'm a capitalist libertarian, deal with it faggot.
Joseph Robinson
> >"An end to class prestige is reflected in practice by minimizing the gap between profit margins of the various occupations, so that profit becomes solely a function of the quality of work, and not of the genre of work. For example, an excellent doctor deserves to earn more than a mediocre doctor, but there is no reason why an excellent doctor should earn more than an equivalently excellent plumber." >If you could standardize wages which would come from a central authority than I think using the above method would allow one to over time get rid of class conflict.
Wouldn't this destroy the motivation that is needed for workers to take on professions that are seen as less than desirable in terms of labor/working conditions/effort required to learn that profession/working conditions for that profession etc etc. For instance , wouldn't it cause a shortage in skilled surgeons due to the intense and time consuming training required to become a skilled surgeon. Why invest that kind of time and effort when you can earn the same money with a less demanding and more easily obtained skill set?
Jaxon Campbell
This looks an awful lot like the communist general. Nice try, rabbi.
