Billionaires love the idea - socialists and commies hate it

Why is UBI so hated by the left and so embraced by the elites and billionaires? What do they know that we don't?

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UBI leads to mandatory population controls

Of course they do, because then they'll have all that much more power of the government & the people.

That's the thing, they don't really know anything
Just because you've built a name for yourself making money in specific fields and hiring people to make you more money doesn't really make you qualified in policy

These are people who sit in their castles and go "wow i am so proud of the way i give 1% of my money knowing that loss won't harm my way of life in any way"

Cool so when can i quit my job?

It's easy to subjugate the people if they all rely on you 100% for their lively hood. The nice thing about capitalism is you can choose who you work for and you are in control of your own livelihood. Sure you have to try a lot harder often times but I would rather have that than being subjugated.

>becoming literal cattle
>a good idea
>flag
we need another Bomber Harris

Got to vote for Zuck and his new Naturalist Social Democratic American Party in 2020 then!

>>becoming literal cattle
why don't you want money?

>The nice thing about capitalism is you can choose who you work for and you are in control of your own livelihood. Sure you have to try a lot harder often times but I would rather have that than being subjugated.
But you can still choose who you work for even if you get UBI. In fact, it would be easier to choose since you would be getting money and wouldn't be as pressured to find a job as quickly as possible.

Fuedalism at its finest. They want to take us back to the Middle Ages.

> UBI leads to mandatory population controls
No they don't. They just squeeze more in.
That is why they also support cycling as a cornerstone of metropolitan "environmentalism". Not because it is green or healthy but because they can fit more people into a smaller space.

They support UBI because they want to sustain a population where they have a monopoly. They know the money is coming back to them. This bankrupts the government and then (((they))) can be "philanthropists" in place of the democratically elected government.
> National rail via taxes
or
> Virgin trains via government subsidy

This is also why there is a massive campaign to control information and retain focus. Including "diversity" to make sure the brown ones are also plugged in. They don't want intergration into the existing societies but into their corporate "pop culture".

>Thinking the elite in their bubbles understand human nature in any way

check'd

UBI is dependency, it means someone controls you. You have to be mad to believe that UBI won't be used as a political weapon the same way the freaking internet hosting is being weaponized right now.

then explain why becoming no different than livestock is a good idea

Note that
These are all first gen billionaires that support this.

They know if everyone has it easy there is no need to hustle and become rich , I.e more competition for them.

yep.
>i get tv and censored internet
>they have thousands of years to run out of money.

It ensures everyone can buy their shit.

Prophets for profit

because they want as many people as possible to surrender any ability to provide for themselves to the state. they want us to be totally reliant on them.

that's easy enough to figure out

>then explain why becoming no different than livestock is a good idea
free money?

>UBI
>Hated by the left

Have you been living under a fucking rock?

This globalist fuck can piss off and he can take his man made meat with him
globalnews.ca/news/3696391/richard-branson-bill-gates-memphis-meats/

>billionaires who own the government are in favor of more government

Really gets the almonds activated.

>hyperinflation and mass unemployment is a good thing

>socialists and commies hate it
citation needed

>dude free shit lmao
I understand
please get in the helicopter

money is not the same as wealth

>won't be as pressured to find a job as quickly as possible
>won't be motivated to find a job at all
>be a good goy eat your tv dinner and consume your pornography and big brother will take care of everything else

Kills all brick and mortar services so that lazy people can inflate money buying bananas and fuck all. Having a side line welfare for disabled is fine but replace workers with machines and give them bitcoins. Brilliant. How far from gold standard we've come. BGI was invented by Milton Friedjew

As opposed to the current:
>be a good goy eat your tv dinner and consume your pornography after working to enrich your boss and big brother will take care of everything else

>>hyperinflation and mass unemployment is a good thing
650 dollars per adult, 300 dollars per child.

1000 * 250 million = 250 billion per month
300 * 75 million = 25 billion per month

minus all current welfare payments (40 billion per month)
minus admin (10 billion per month)
minus social security system (80 billion per month)

adjusted for the boost to GDP

= LITTLE IN TERMS of COSTS

Also, unemployment means people are seeking jobs. Those who do not seek jobs are not unemployed.

youre right UBI is great and dude weed and bernie 2020 lmao cough

Further pacify all the undermensch to keep your rich head off a pike.

This
The reason they want a universal minimum wage is because it takes away more power from the people. The government and big businesses will get together to come up with the least amount they can give out with the least amount of rioting.
Look at welfare, whats the biggest problem with it? Other than it hurt blacks and made them not want to work, it basically made it impossible for them to get out of the hole. When you are dependent on the government it robs you of the ability to raise capital to further you or your groups interest.

*1000 dollars per adult - I used the wrong UBI promise initially

UBI is a capitalists wet dream, it will allow billionaires to make even more money. Leftists don't like it because they believe it is a human right/condition to work.

I'm not even in favor of UBI. I just think that some of the arguments ITT used against it are very dishonest.

...what kind of autism is this?

Pinochet was a kike puppet of the US

>...what kind of autism is this?
explain

all they'll ask in return is for the proles to give up what little power they have to regulate the antics of the power elite

>Why is UBI so hated by the left and so embraced by the elites and billionaires? What do they know that we don't?
jacobinmag.com/2017/01/ubi-finland-centre-party-unemployment-jobs/

you can still work under UBI you know. it's just that you don't have to

What if we archive it unvis.it/jacobinmag.com/2017/01/ubi-finland-centre-party-unemployment-jobs

he still had a good method of dealing with socialists, so there's that

Your counter-argument is either intentionally obtuse for the sake of being a faggot or you're just a complete fucking shit brained retard. Faggot defeatists (LEAFS) instantly go uhuuhuhu you mean you want to just make money for your BOSS and CORPORATIONS maaaan??? No, shut the fuck up idiot. I want to be a productive member on a society and install myself on a ladder I would like to climb. It's something called a career and it begins with an opportunity called a JOB.

Kill yourself.

UBI isn't hated by the left, they are the ones that push it

how is it feudalism? billionaries pay us, not the other way round

The most convincing reason why UBI needs to be implemented is the following:

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A commission of the German parliament discussed basic income in 2013 and concluded that it is "unrealizable" because:[67][68]
it would cause a significant decrease in the motivation to work among citizens, with unpredictable consequences for the national economy
it would require a complete restructuring of the taxation, social insurance and pension systems, which will cost a significant amount of money
the current system of social help in Germany is regarded more effective because it's more personalized: the amount of help provided is not fixed and depends on the financial situation of the person; for some socially vulnerable groups the basic income could be insufficient
it would cause a vast increase in immigration
it would cause a rise in the shadow economy
the corresponding rise of taxes would cause more inequality: higher taxes would translate into higher prices of everyday products, harming the finances of poor people
no viable way to finance basic income in Germany was found

Are those monthly UBI payments??? I saw your correction and even $1000??? $1000 a month???? Are you fucking retarded?

>you don't have to
You could still mandate that people work.
It would just mean that the capitalist's go-to "hurr durr just start your own business" response for wagecucking would actually be possible.

UBI is intended to replace modern social safety nets like welfare.

The billionaires are just interested in giving you paper money, or electronic credits, to consume the things they are producing. They want you to remain reliant on them for everything. Money is printed out of thin air, you should know that by now. The people who print it don't have any issues tossing some leftover toilet paper your way.

If you want to really help people who don't have much money, give them land, a house, off-grid energy, CNC machines, and equipment for aquaponic farming. Not a $30,000 check for Schlomo's SuperMarket and Hymey's Condominiums.

Of dealing with communists.
And yeah it was a good method, that's why it annoys me so much that it's been memed into the dirt by libertarian-capitalist fags.

Fascism is socialist

>No, shut the fuck up idiot. I want to be a productive member on a society and install myself on a ladder I would like to climb. It's something called a career and it begins with an opportunity called a JOB.
Ok, but you can still do just that even if you get UBI. The difference is that now you'll be richer and have more safety if you do lose your job.

>$1000 a month???? Are you fucking retarded?
It is enough to survive in rural America. Not in a city, but in rural America it would work.

We need a trend to shrink cities anyway, UBI could be a catalyst for people moving to rural areas again.

if anything, fascism is third position tho

>UBI is dependency

not if you don't sign up for it

libertarian faggots support UBI for the same reason media and telecoms temporarily spend in the red to acquire monopolies.

First it starts with incentives to replace all traditional means of welfare with one lump sum, then once the whole apparatus of social democracy is gutted, they can start cutting back on it.

The B in UBI will just get basicer and basicer until we're all app sharing driverless pods between tiny homes where we can trade packets of soylent between with one another

The dystopian cyberpunk hellscape isn't going to come from sinister Asian conglomerates. It will be brought to you by American-born autistic faggots

If you think that the government and it's corporate overlords aren't going to be working around the clock trying to get more and more people solely dependent on a UBI scheme then you're probably part of the reason Canada is falling apart.

>No they don't. They just squeeze more in.
Its population control for white people not for western countries. Immigrants will never stop flooding in

Socialist/communist hate it, socdems love it. So yes, actual leftist hate it.

Anyway, for anyone in here who doesn't know our perspective, it's because UBI is an neoliberal idea to remove welfare that's direct from government and replaces it with money, which opens up all the current government services to competition since now people can "choose" their service now that they have money. It's an attempt at commodifying welfare.

holy fuck you are actually retarded lmao I'm done

>Why is UBI so hated by the left
>implying

>(((Billionaires)))

Maybe they love it because it makes more people capable of being consumers while making it harder to create a business and be a competitor.

I'd be for it if they cut billions in all the other kinds of welfare.

>UBI is intended to replace modern social safety nets like welfare.

Yes, that is the point. What's your point.

An UBI system would work like this.

1. Every citizen registers with the state and receives a government bank account with the central government bank.

2. All cash is abolished. You are issued with a government bank account credit/debit card with a 500 dollar overdraft.

3. No illegal or foreigner receives UBI. All transactions are based on electronic transfers, making it impossible for an illegal to buy or sell anything ever again. All economic crime is stopped and all tax evasion can be discovered with algorithms.

4. You end up with a perfect society.

>"why don't you want money"
I wonder who this could be

>all that shit
>perfect society
>flag
yep

You ignored my comment. UBI hurts peoples ability to build capital and make the gap between middle class and the 1% even bigger.

It'll make every basically niggers where they are all dependent on the state. Sure they can buy cool iphones but they don't have money to pursue causes for themselves or their groups.

Trust me, we hate it.

UBI is just "disrupting welfare." There is tons of leftist literature critical of it.

The third position to capitalism and communism
Don't fall for the marxist BS about socialism being an early stage of communism.
socialism (collective) contrasts liberalism (individual)

Still at the mercy of the banks and the real elite though. If they wanted they could unperson you and remove your little data numbers in your bank account.

If that was really what they wanted, they would just crank up unemployment welfare. Instead, it's something that, at least in Canada, gives very little money and doesn't last long. Why? Because they want people to stop being dependent on the government and go back to work. Your theories just don't fit with the reality of things.

>>Why is UBI so hated by the left
>>implying
Name one lefty who genuinely wants an actual UBI system. They all cry about "muhhh, only if UBI is in addition to the welfare payments right now" or "muhhh, social security and Medicaid and Medicare has to stay around too" - the beauty of UBI is that it is one regular payment and that is that. The government pays nothing else to no citizen anywhere. There are just taxes coming in... and UBI going out plus the gov pays its employees/soldiers/teachers/policemen. That is it.

If you accept the concept of an UBI, you cannot be a socialist or communist, because they hate simple systems, they want certain people to be "special" getting multiple welfare payments from a variety of sources.

That's actually the idea. It was conceived of by Milton Friedman: youtube.com/watch?v=xtpgkX588nM

It's all fucked anyway, may as well.

>state registry
>government bank account from Big Government Bank
>no more cash, only credit issued by Big Government Bank
you're right vlad this DOES sound like a perfect society

Germany came closer than anyone to having a perfect society
Meanwhile your flag doesn't exist outside of internet memes

You know what's more simple than a massive currency redistribution scheme and other Voxdotcom wonk wank?

Public ownership of property and the abolition of class.

I GAZED UPON YOUR EYES AND SAW THAT YOU WERE MY NIGGA

Branson doesn't even have enough money to buy everyone on the planet a cheeseburger, where does this money come from?

I'm surprised at this level of ignorance about wealth redistribution vs wealth creation from a billionaire.

>intended to
It never would though, it doesn't remove the incentive for politicians to give shit for votes and leeches to take, permanently

KYS

>All cash is abolished

I've seen this coming for quite some time, and there is a push to go completely cashless in Australia by 2022. This is what I fear the most, it will give the government total control of all money/currency/credits, it will completely eliminate most crime but it also infringes on freedom I guess..

>being this shortsighted
>being this naive
lol

He wishes talent to be chosen to be talent, and natural talent is owned because fuck you. piss off if you have a question.

>What do they know that we don't?
economics

Capitalism for the rich. Communism for the poor. I'm calling it.

>UBI hurts peoples ability to build capital and make the gap between middle class and the 1% even bigger.
Based on what development?

>It'll make every basically niggers where they are all dependent on the state.
Why would that be? The gov wouldn't tell you what to do. You just get your basic income, if you smoke it away or get a job and use it as vacation money or to buy a car is up to you.

If anything, people will be more independent from the state, as they can do what they want to do.

Escape this gravity well. Do not let them rule our future.

It's not hated by the "leftists", in fact, Branson is a "leftist" himself and your OP is pure propaganda to try and divert people from the Right to agree with your POV. It's not working.

UBI is a form of slavery
Makes you dependent on whoever is issuing the UBI, it gives them control over every aspect of your life. Do not fall for the ubi meme, it must be resisted at every opportunity

>If anything, people will be more independent from the state, as they can do what they want to do.
Germany this is a new level of doublespeak.

this is what Sup Forums always goes to

billionaires couldnt possibly be benevolent or benign

they HAVE to be conspiring with every action to constrict freedom and eventually subjugate everyone except 'the elite'

they couldnt POSSIBLY be attempting to improve living conditions

they couldnt POSSIBLY be attempting to improve education

no they just want to give you money to make you dependent and use it as leverage to control you


you miss the fact that the higher the education and wealth level of a community is the less population growth there is which is objectively BENEFICIAL

you miss the fact that UBI dissuades goverment from accepting refugees and immigration because its just another person to pay out to

frankly i dont think UBI is a good idea YET. But i think its heading in that direction and within 50 years most developed nations will have adopted or trialed the system

>Germany came closer than anyone to having a perfect society
When?

>where does this money come from?

Taxes and eliminating all other welfare services. Another option if automation is to take away jobs from workers is to tax each robot at the same rate that a human worker would be taxed.