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Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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>It was when the old man died and his heirs took over. There were three of them, two sons and a daughter, and they brought a new plan to run the factory. They let us vote on it, too, and everybody—almost everybody—voted for it. We didn't know. We thought it was good. No, that's not true, either. We thought that we were supposed to think it was good. The plan was that everybody in the factory would work according to his ability, but would be paid according to his need.

>What's whose ability and which of whose needs comes first? When it's all one pot, you can't let any man decide what his own needs are, can you? If you did, he might claim that he needs a yacht—and if his feelings are all you have to go by, he might prove it, too. Why not? If it's not right for me to own a car until I've worked myself into a hospital ward, earning a car for every loafer and every naked savage on earth—why can't he demand a yacht from me, too, if I still have the ability not to have collapsed?

>It took us just one meeting to discover that we had become beggars—rotten, whining, sniveling beggars, all of us, because no man could claim his pay as his rightful earning, he had no rights and no earnings, his work didn't belong to him, it belonged to 'the family', and they owed him nothing in return, and the only claim he had on them was his 'need'—so he had to beg in public for relief from his needs, like any lousy moocher, listing all his troubles and miseries, down to his patched drawers and his wife's head colds, hoping that 'the family' would throw him the alms. He had to claim miseries, because it's miseries, not work, that had become the coin of the realm—so it turned into a contest between six thousand panhandlers, each claiming that his need was worse than his brother's. How else could it be done? Do you care to guess what happened, what sort of men kept quiet, feeling shame, and what sort got away with the jackpot?

>When all the decent pleasures are forbidden, there's always ways to get the rotten ones. You don't break into grocery stores after dark and you don't pick your fellow's pockets to buy classical symphonies or fishing tackle, but if it's to get stinking drunk and forget—you do.

>Any man who tried to play straight, had to refuse himself everything. He lost his taste for any pleasure, he hated to smoke a nickel's worth of tobacco or chew a stick of gum, worrying whether somebody had more need for that nickel. He felt ashamed of every mouthful of food he swallowed, wondering whose weary nights of overtime had paid for it, knowing that his food was not his by right, miserably wishing to be cheated rather than to cheat, to be a sucker, but not a blood-sucker. He wouldn't marry, he wouldn't help his folks back home, he wouldn't put an extra burden on 'the family.' Besides, if he still had some sort of sense of responsibility, he couldn't marry or bring children into the world, when he could plan nothing, promise nothing, count on nothing. But the shiftless and irresponsible had a field day of it. They bred babies, they got girls into trouble, they dragged in every worthless relative they had from all over the country, every unmarried pregnant sister, for an extra 'disability allowance,' they got more sicknesses than any doctor could disprove, they ruined their clothing, their furniture, their homes—what the hell, 'the family' was paying for it! They found more ways of getting in 'need' than the rest of us could ever imagine—they developed a special skill for it, which was the only ability they showed.

>God help us, ma'am! Do you see what we saw? We saw that we'd been given a law to live by, a moral law, they called it, which punished those who observed it—for observing it. The more you tried to live up to it, the more you suffered; the more you cheated it, the bigger reward you got.

>The guff gave us a chance to pass off as virtue something that we'd be ashamed to admit otherwise. There wasn't a man voting for it who didn't think that under a setup of this kind he'd muscle in on the profits of the men abler than himself. There wasn't a man rich and smart enough but that he didn't think that somebody was richer and smarter, and this plan would give him a share of his better's wealth and brain. But while he was thinking that he'd get unearned benefits from the men above, he forgot about the men below who'd get unearned benefits, too. He forgot about all his inferiors who'd rush to drain him just as he hoped to drain his superiors. The worker who liked the idea that his need entitled him to a limousine like his boss's, forgot that every bum and beggar on earth would come howling that their need entitled them to an icebox like his own. That was our real motive when we voted—that was the truth of it—but we didn't like to think it, so the less we liked it, the louder we yelled about our love for the common good.

>What good would our need do to a power plant when its generators stopped because of our defective engines? What good would it do to a man caught on an operating table when the electric light went out? What good would it do to the passengers of a plane when its motor failed in mid-air? And if they bought our product, not because of its merit, but because of our need, would that be the good, the right, the moral thing to do for the owner of that power plant, the surgeon in that hospital, the maker of that plane? Yet this was the moral law that the professors and leaders and thinkers had wanted to establish all over the earth. If this is what it did in a single small town where we all knew one another, do you care to think what it would do on a world scale?

You're lucky, OP. I was just about to leave my house, hit refresh one more time, and said:

>I'm running a little late, but there is always time to Galtpost.

Fuck commies.

>Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong

Get BTFO

>But that's not real communism!

It never will be until it actually works, will it? Have fun waiting literally forever.

Commies deserve the rope.

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So what if I choose not to participate?

Psychological research shows that evem in dog, 25% will resist no mater the coersion.

This is why the purges occurred in every other attempt at communism. You cannot have communism on a large scale without authoritarianism and centralization.

Who decides what a end is or a means? somebody in power and control.

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Xin chao comrades!

Liberals get the wall too

The Working Class must forge it's own destiny

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How psychologically and physically crippled do you have to be to accept the idea of communal property?

Since we all compete for resources, the communists seem like the ones who couldn't successfully compete. I understand, but it's just like how loser males say "fuck women, I'll go MGTOW". No chad goes MGTOW. Similarly, nobody with any worth to this world would want communism.

Furthermore, if we don't compete for resources, yet we still have scarcity, how will you shunt your evolutionary desire to gain resources for mates?

Through drugs? Guns?

Sounds like a great plan, surely it will work out differently than it has in the past.

In the past they just created labor camps

some people are more equal than others, but we are equal.

This is why we own guns dipshit
I will take as many of you fucksticks with me as I can.

I'm willing to die for my cause, are you?

Appeasing to Sup Forumsacks problems while you spread FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY GAY COMMUNISM behind their back's will never work. How dumb are you?

I think these lazy fucks underestimate just how hard I'm willing to work for what they can't get.

I am literally satisfied when I work so hard to achieve something, knowing that most others fail. If we all got a medal, what is the incentive to work?

"We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us"

I don't think you'll even need guns to defend against these people because the only full communists I've met were fat 350 lb lesbians and skinny beta twirps.

Again, with my MGTOW analogy. MGTOW is the for have-nots of the reproductive success spectrum, the same is true for communists on the economic/resource-gathering spectrum.

No these idiots are closer to mass violence than you think. I'm just finishing grad school and I am with them every day. I went to a meeting in March and it scared the shit out of me. One person said, "I'm tired of protesting, we need to make them listen to us." Frustration within their movement is reaching a boiling point.

Fortunately we are well armed and a lot of us are vets or LEO's.

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Again, in your world I am against the wall. The NAP gives us the moral high ground to kill you.

> Believes the purpose of life is to produce material objects vs. what the qualifications of life are to exist
> Literally nothing more than the philosophical work of Hegel combined with early utopian fantasy
> Provide no cultural definition of exploitation that intersects with international jewry/exploitation
> Provides no incentive for early adopters from people who produce
> Disincentives early adoption from people who produce by assuring their displacement
> Ignores the anthropic purpose for social stratification in a functioning non-totalitarian democracy
> Based on a moral imperative devoid of true human behavioral characteristics

Why can't we all just be this idea???

Honest question that I've been looking for a decent answer for:
if communism in its full form is stateless, who will distribute the goods?
If it is some sort of community vote, then how is this different than a democracy?
Also, who will provide conflict resolution?

[Image related] SAGE

communism is essentially prison with a larger yard.

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Communism is democracy, in fact it is true democracy, one where there is absolute harmony and things are planned to match the will of the entire community. This society is much more advanced technologically so
probably robotic vehicles and all kind of machines will distribute those goods, economy will be planned with the aid of cybernetics and the vote of what people need.

Coercive elements of society will be gradually eroded by the fact that people will be happier because they will have what they need thanks to this efficient system, and all cheating and coercive behavioral instinctive tendencies will slowly be eliminated from the genome by use the of eugenics.

And what if I want to work for myself?
Would I be put up against the wall?
If so, I fail to see how this is democratic.
If not, then how do you intend to keep people in the commune or factory or whatever the area would be?

that is not what makes people happy

you are hedonistic
happiness by iron fist and "we" will determine what happiness is, and how it is enforced

make humans robots
no freewill

> Absolute
nothing logical in nature can be both complete and consistent. You believe in a utopian self contradiction
>robotic vehicles and all kind of machines will distribute those goods. people will be happier because they will have what they need thanks to this efficient system
Believes the purpose of life is to produce material objects vs what the qualifications of life are to exist
>and all cheating and coercive behavioral instinctive tendencies will slowly be eliminated from the genome by use the of eugenics.
Believes this but has no definition of exploitation that intersect with international jewry because the ideas were written by jews. Literally incentivizes inbreeding because out-breeding and random order gene pairs provide selective adaptations for social success. attributes the restriction selectively to western countries

And what if I want to work for myself?

You can, if that's what you like

Would I be put up against the wall?

No

Communism stops working after 25 years, when the kids created after Communism took effect have kids.

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Кoммyниcты Poccии внимaтeльнo cлeдят зa этим тpeдoм.
Дa здpaвcтвyeт CCCP!

Yes I should have said 'harmony as good as can possibly be by human technological means''

>Believes the purpose of life is to produce material objects vs what the qualifications of life are to exist

>and all cheating and coercive behavioral instinctive tendencies will slowly be eliminated from the genome by use the of eugenics.

>Believes this but has no definition of exploitation that intersect with international jewry because the ideas were written by jews. Literally incentivizes inbreeding because out-breeding and random order gene pairs provide selective adaptations for social success. attributes the restriction selectively to western countries

You wouldn't use inbreeding but genetic editing techniques

>Believes the purpose of life is to produce material objects vs what the qualifications of life are to exist

No I don't, I was only talking about automated production and distribution

Saged

I don't want to just live. I want to live like a king. What the fuck am I doing, living like some slave for someone else's sake? I wanna deal the cards.

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>Honest question that I've been looking for a decent answer for:
>if communism in its full form is stateless, who will distribute the goods?
Supermarkets.

>If it is some sort of community vote, then how is this different than a democracy?
It is indeed an actual democracy.

>Also, who will provide conflict resolution?
People's councils.

>people will be happier because they will have what they need thanks to this efficient system

Believes the purpose in life is to produce material objects vs what the qualifications of life are to exist and how humans have evolved within their environment. This is what you really need to get into your fucking head. You sound like a libertarian

>Why can't we all just be this idea?

>I don't want to just live. I want to live like a king. What the fuck am I doing, living like some slave for someone else's sake?
Well then join the communist movement.

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/
GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/
It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.
Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/
Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

Actual Democracy where the people living with-in only have the interesst of the state in mind, not themselves. Not their work-place, not their family's. Only the ideology.

Then i'll become an actual slave.

>Actual Democracy where the people living with-in only have the interest of the state in mind, not themselves.
As the user who asked the question stressed out: there will be no state.

Then there will be capitalism. Only way to stop that would be through a state.

As a Polish person who lived under communism, I find it genuinely disgusting that westerners actually support this monstrous ideology.
Listen, you never experienced it firsthand, so turn back before you are forced into unofficial slavery.

Communism is stateless

>As the leader of the Communist Party, Saloth Sar became the de-facto leader of the country. He adopted the title "brother number one" and used the nom de guerre "Pol Pot"
literally from wikipedia

No, capitalism is not the default mode of production of humanity. There is no default mode of production of humanity.

You lived in a socialist state, not the communist society, and you say it's monstruous while others might say life was much better than in their current capitalist shithole like russia

nothing is stateless. even individuals occupy physical space.

Ants work off the land.

Capitalism is completely state-dependent.

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/
GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/
It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.
Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/
Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

Deep blue is the sky.

Your turn.

>You lived in a socialist state, not the communist society

What part of utopian fiction do you not understand?

People produce children when fed. Children turn into people.

>you have to buy goods to get them in a capitalist society

observant

go here

>You lived in a socialist state, not the communist society
Comrade, this makes no sense: socialism is a stage of communism, and as such will be stateless. There can be no "socialism in one country", no matter what Stalinists have made you believe.

woah woah woah lets not get silly here

everyone knows the armenian genocide didnt happen

Right

Freemasonry is Judaism for goy.

The Mason goy cops clergy mayors courts fuk goy daily.

Of course more people would have died in Capitalism, considering it's been around for longer, and there have been more capitalist countries throughout history.
Also, if 'true communism' is so different, please explain how you will ache ice it without
1. Ending up as a socialist.
2. Killing millions of innocents.
3. Starving millions of innocents.

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Also, the only sane people who would prefer communism to capitalism are the government officials in said Communist state.

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>people will be happier because they will have what they need

Maybe for about 5 seconds, then they'll get down to figuring out some scheme to screw the collective and have a bit more than everyone else - then they'll be truly happy.