Sup Forums communism general

[Carson Evans]

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

[Jaxson Cook]

this is a good one, fuck im laffin

[Hudson Edwards]

Kill yourself faggot

[Samuel Brown]

Could someone please post the Spurdo version?

[Brody Price]

Debunking "Cultural Marxism":

youtube.com/watch?v=iig-N_Kimlw

youtube.com/watch?v=odhhGmwxZ5I

youtube.com/watch?v=X_y0LxcANic

[Benjamin Bell]

These threads contain the most intelligent people on this entire board.

[Leo Anderson]

Watter's World just did a legit story on antifa on Fox News and pointed out their commie bullshit. Exposed to the public for what they are on primetime.

-violent, left-wing street gang that targets law enforcement

-anti-police workshops

-outwardly promotes violence against law enforcement

-domestic terrorists
-domestic terrorists
-domestic terrorists

Congratulations faggots, in the US you've now moved up to doing federal prison time when you're caught because you wanted to piss off mommy and daddy and kick some trash cans. Great job.

Meanwhile
"Supreme Court unanimously reaffirms: There is no ‘hate speech’ exception to the First Amendment"

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Andrew Gutierrez]

nothing to do with our ideology. learn to separate the individual from what he believes.

[Chase Evans]

A lot of us on Sup Forums are left-communists so we hate those faggots too.

[Hudson Diaz]

>a lot of us on Sup Forums
Nigger.

[Bentley Wilson]

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/

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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

[Caleb Nguyen]

>left communists
get the fuck out

[Angel Ramirez]

It's too early for real communism, humans are far too primitive for that and technology not advanced enough. Even Marx said real communism can only be achieved after capitalism has produced excess abundance.

With that being said, what type of communism is best suited for today? Marxism? Marxist-Leninism (Stalinism)? Juche ? China's quasi-capitalistic quasi-communist vision? There are too many variants of Marxism today which people mistake for actual communism.

I think we shouldn't even bother with communism for the moment being, because communism IS inevitable for all of humanity and will 100% happen at some time in the future.

[Noah Murphy]

youtube.com/watch?v=EMOMcFd8yQg

[Leo Roberts]

The first step is socialism and then gradually become more communist. There is no saying how long it will take.

[Brandon Brooks]

Thinking Antifa represents communism is like thinking the KKK represents capitalism, it is a foolish idea.

[Jason Gray]

Gommonism failures:

Afghanistan (1978-1992)
Albania (1946-1992)
Angola (1975-1992)
Benin (1975-1990)
Bulgaria (1946-1990)
Cambodia (1975-1989)
Congo (1975-1992)
Czechoslovakia (1946-1990)
Ethiopia (1974-1991)
East Germany (1949-1990)
Hungary) (1949-1989)
North Korea 1948-1992)
Mongolia (1924-1990)
Mozambique (1975-1990)
Poland (1945-1989)
Romania (1947-1989)
Somalia (1969-1991)
Soviet Union (1922-1991)
North Vietnam (1945-1975)
South Yemen (1967-1990)
Ukraine (1919-1991)
Yugoslavia (1945-1992)
Algeria (1963-1989)
Burma (1962-1988)
Cape Verde (1975-1992)
Egypt (1958-2007)
Iraq (1968-2003)
Madagascar (1975-1992)
Sudan (1973-1985)
Syria (1963-2012)
Bangladesh (1971-)
Guinea-Bissau (1973-)
Guyana (1980-)
India (1976-)
North Korea (1992-)
Nepal (2015-)
Portugal (1976-)
Sao Tome (1975-)
Sri Lanka (1985-)
Tanzania (1964-)

>b-b-b-bud id neber been tried before
This is why you are laughed off on Sup Forums. Every. Single. Time. You faggots trying to migrate here don't seem to realize that it's actually hurting your cause because you're not going to convert anyone here and you only stand to lose numbers by getting your little fb friends to come here to get mindfucked and redpilled left and right. It's a fight you cannot and will never win. kek

[Jordan Flores]

>It was when the old man died and his heirs took over. There were three of them, two sons and a daughter, and they brought a new plan to run the factory. They let us vote on it, too, and everybody—almost everybody—voted for it. We didn't know. We thought it was good. No, that's not true, either. We thought that we were supposed to think it was good. The plan was that everybody in the factory would work according to his ability, but would be paid according to his need.

>What's whose ability and which of whose needs comes first? When it's all one pot, you can't let any man decide what his own needs are, can you? If you did, he might claim that he needs a yacht—and if his feelings are all you have to go by, he might prove it, too. Why not? If it's not right for me to own a car until I've worked myself into a hospital ward, earning a car for every loafer and every naked savage on earth—why can't he demand a yacht from me, too, if I still have the ability not to have collapsed?

>It took us just one meeting to discover that we had become beggars—rotten, whining, sniveling beggars, all of us, because no man could claim his pay as his rightful earning, he had no rights and no earnings, his work didn't belong to him, it belonged to 'the family', and they owed him nothing in return, and the only claim he had on them was his 'need'—so he had to beg in public for relief from his needs, like any lousy moocher, listing all his troubles and miseries, down to his patched drawers and his wife's head colds, hoping that 'the family' would throw him the alms. He had to claim miseries, because it's miseries, not work, that had become the coin of the realm—so it turned into a contest between six thousand panhandlers, each claiming that his need was worse than his brother's. How else could it be done? Do you care to guess what happened, what sort of men kept quiet, feeling shame, and what sort got away with the jackpot?

[Cameron Jones]

Communism didn't happen in any of those places. Just because you call yourself a communist government doesn't mean you practice communism.

[Xavier White]

>When all the decent pleasures are forbidden, there's always ways to get the rotten ones. You don't break into grocery stores after dark and you don't pick your fellow's pockets to buy classical symphonies or fishing tackle, but if it's to get stinking drunk and forget—you do.

>Any man who tried to play straight, had to refuse himself everything. He lost his taste for any pleasure, he hated to smoke a nickel's worth of tobacco or chew a stick of gum, worrying whether somebody had more need for that nickel. He felt ashamed of every mouthful of food he swallowed, wondering whose weary nights of overtime had paid for it, knowing that his food was not his by right, miserably wishing to be cheated rather than to cheat, to be a sucker, but not a blood-sucker. He wouldn't marry, he wouldn't help his folks back home, he wouldn't put an extra burden on 'the family.' Besides, if he still had some sort of sense of responsibility, he couldn't marry or bring children into the world, when he could plan nothing, promise nothing, count on nothing. But the shiftless and irresponsible had a field day of it. They bred babies, they got girls into trouble, they dragged in every worthless relative they had from all over the country, every unmarried pregnant sister, for an extra 'disability allowance,' they got more sicknesses than any doctor could disprove, they ruined their clothing, their furniture, their homes—what the hell, 'the family' was paying for it! They found more ways of getting in 'need' than the rest of us could ever imagine—they developed a special skill for it, which was the only ability they showed.

>God help us, ma'am! Do you see what we saw? We saw that we'd been given a law to live by, a moral law, they called it, which punished those who observed it—for observing it. The more you tried to live up to it, the more you suffered; the more you cheated it, the bigger reward you got.

[Robert Taylor]

>The guff gave us a chance to pass off as virtue something that we'd be ashamed to admit otherwise. There wasn't a man voting for it who didn't think that under a setup of this kind he'd muscle in on the profits of the men abler than himself. There wasn't a man rich and smart enough but that he didn't think that somebody was richer and smarter, and this plan would give him a share of his better's wealth and brain. But while he was thinking that he'd get unearned benefits from the men above, he forgot about the men below who'd get unearned benefits, too. He forgot about all his inferiors who'd rush to drain him just as he hoped to drain his superiors. The worker who liked the idea that his need entitled him to a limousine like his boss's, forgot that every bum and beggar on earth would come howling that their need entitled them to an icebox like his own. That was our real motive when we voted—that was the truth of it—but we didn't like to think it, so the less we liked it, the louder we yelled about our love for the common good.

>What good would our need do to a power plant when its generators stopped because of our defective engines? What good would it do to a man caught on an operating table when the electric light went out? What good would it do to the passengers of a plane when its motor failed in mid-air? And if they bought our product, not because of its merit, but because of our need, would that be the good, the right, the moral thing to do for the owner of that power plant, the surgeon in that hospital, the maker of that plane? Yet this was the moral law that the professors and leaders and thinkers had wanted to establish all over the earth. If this is what it did in a single small town where we all knew one another, do you care to think what it would do on a world scale?

[Austin Young]

Only the KKK isn't illegal in the US and marches regularly, whereas just being associated with communism in the US can result in literally having your citizenship and rights taken away. The more you know....

>The Communist Party of the United States, or any successors of such party regardless of the assumed name, whose object or purpose is to overthrow the Government of the United States, or the government of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein by force and violence, are not entitled to any of the rights, privileges, and immunities attendant upon legal bodies created under the jurisdiction of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof; and whatever rights, privileges, and immunities which have heretofore been granted to said party or any subsidiary organization by reason of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof, are terminated: Provided, however, That nothing in this section shall be construed as amending the Internal Security Act of 1950, as amended [50 U.S.C. 781 et seq.]
(Aug. 24, 1954, ch. 886, §3, 68 Stat. 776.)

>law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/chapter-23/subchapter-IV

By trying to promote communism on this board, where feds and LEOs frequent, you're literally painting a target on the back of your head and you're too stupid to realize it.

[Oliver Hill]

So socialistic state-capitalism is the way to go? Should we really settle with this communism-lite ideology which is proven to be less economically viable than normal capitalism?

If you really think all of those countries were really communist then you have a case of severe mental retardation there buddy, and I'm not even talking about the system the Soviet Union had in place. But your picture of "kek" sufficed in proving your idiocy.

[Blake Allen]

>Sri Lanka (1985-)
dumb lardbucket

[Eli Barnes]

>overthrow the Government of the United States, therein by force and violence

Good thing we aren't planning a violent overthrow of government. Everything we do is perfectly legal.

[Chase Harris]

so how do you accurately know when "capitalism has produced excess abundance"

While it may be true for now, it's still heavily outweighed at the top
You know the meme, in 1945 corporations paid 50% of taxes and now it's only 2%, how do you fix this?
You can't force unfair socialism on working people without pushback and contempt.

What can you rural and suburban geniuses do to fix this problem

[Austin Diaz]

why was North Korea not communist for part of 1992?
why did you forget the original Hungarian Soviet Republic?
why do you think Baathism is communism?
how did Syria stop being a failure by getting engulfed in a 5 sided civil war?

[Julian Morris]

Have fun trying to explain that to the spooks when they literally disappear you and your family. If you honestly think the Deep State gives one single fuck about your intents and purpose or how legal/illegal it is, you're naive as fuck honestly. The ideology you're trying to push is counter-intuitive to their own. It's really that simple.

[Blake Hill]

You think I give a fuck about American law? I'm quite aware of your censorship and constant anti-communism propaganda. First Amendment and "muh rights" my ass. I'm not advocating communism you retard, I'm just saying how it's currently unfeasible but inevitable for humanity.

What you idiots can't see is that capitalism has failed you. All this "multi-kulti" and mass immigration is directly caused by capitalism and it's need for constant population and economic growth.

[Oliver Flores]

gomrades, ids dime thad we dry real gommunism :-DDDDDDDD

[Michael Morgan]

>behold the efficiency of capitalism!
>materials obtained from where it's cheap to do so
>transported using energy obtained from where it's cheap to do so!
>assembled where it's cheap to do so!
>so the end product is readily available and doesn't cost $8000!

Non-Communists BTFO!

[Daniel Moore]

Communism and socialism have historically led to totalitarianism or fascism, prove me wrong.

[Michael Murphy]

>they will arrest you even if you don't break laws! even if you aren't an American!

no

[Isaac Powell]

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[Isaiah Foster]

ok so it is just theory

like unicorns

[Parker Phillips]

Hey, leave the unicorns out of this mess!

[Ethan Ross]

Another antifa cuck shill trying to start shit

[Sebastian Stewart]

Capitalism hasn't failed me at all, you cucked faggot failure. I'm reaping all the benefits of it because I made the correct life choices and am not a degenerate druggie burnout looking to reach in everyone else's pockets because "life is unfair."

[Brayden Brooks]

Man, if only Christian Fundamentalist Theocracy had ever been tried.

Think about it, love and humility would be the great societal virtues, with none judging their neighbor, and unlimited aid and charity for the poor -- truly, giving the Church unlimited power would create a living paradise on this Earth.

The Inquisition wasn't real Christianity.

[Isaiah Foster]

Only you are an American. :^)
Have fun with that v&

[Adam Phillips]

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[Aaron Ramirez]

Don't even bother, that user went full retard with that terrible list of "communist" countries.

>so how do you accurately know when "capitalism has produced excess abundance"

When we start getting ideas like UBI. I'm quite aware of that "meme", as I'm also aware that Obama taxed companies less than Reagan did. What people perceive to be communism today is in reality state-capitalism with a hint of socialism. There's no need to tax companies that already belong to the govt, is there?

Socialism does nothing but empower the working people, there's no "unfair socialism' where the people are brought down. Socialism is like credit unions and capitalism is like banks, one fucks you over and exists to make money off you, the other is partially owned by you and exists to serve you.

I'm not denying the current necessity of capitalism as it factually has proven to be more economically effective, but somewhere along the road we will gradually move towards socialism and then towards communism.

[Blake Bennett]

So communist fight liberalism and it is our fault.
All the African deaths are a result of anarchism and communist dictatorships. WWII was a fight against socialism (Nazism and fascism) Try revisionist history somewhere else bonehead.

[Thomas Jones]

Hello gomrades! X_DDddDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of ebin revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. X_-DDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :-DDDDd
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all FUG. When capitalists run away we win and I gill you all. Eventually the fungtions of state stob and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/hiwherearethefood/
gommies.gom/benis/
islamiggommunism.gom/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :-DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. (BENIS :_DD)

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage 4
Nod real gommunism. Nexzt gountry. problems werent. :-DDdd

[Ryan Edwards]

You do realize your infograph is full of fallacies and outright untruths made specifically as a reply to counter pic related, right?

[Zachary Evans]

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[Nathaniel Robinson]

Communism is shit.

Communism and Socialism

Attempted In: 48 Countries
Death Toll: 160,000,000
Efficiency: 0%

Capitalism

Attempted In: 80+ Countries
Death Toll: 40,000,000
Efficiency: 70%+

Fascism

Attempted In: 5 Countries
Death Toll: 759,986
Efficiency: 80-100%

The five countries counted were Italy, Germany, Spain, Portugal, and Chile. I understand that Italy was the only real Fascist country, but people commonly associate the other 4 countries with Fascism, that's why they were included.

[Dominic Bennett]

Uhm, puritans?

[Ethan Williams]

Fascism is just another form of socialism so fuck off twat

[Luis Richardson]

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[Evan Parker]

>Kike general

[Aaron Carter]

>African deaths are a result of anarchism and communist dictatorships.
>WWII was a fight against socialism
>has the nerve to talk about revisionism

[Brody Taylor]

>Obama taxed companies less than Reagan did
Which is precisely why we're 20 trillion in debt instead of 10. The last thing we need is a dumbass leaf who knows fuck-all about our country trying to talk like he knows shit just GTFO, dumbass.

[Jordan Ramirez]

youtube.com/watch?v=GAk26XIS8VE

youtube.com/watch?v=HIKZ_E0QvYA

youtube.com/watch?v=CmiFeW1fNtc

youtube.com/watch?v=wtAIi5kJMko

[Kayden Gomez]

You really don't understand socialism. It has and always will divulge int fascism or totalitarianism.

WWI and WWII were wars against socialism.

Forced labor for the good of the collective. Centralization is a requirement for collective action. Therefore breaking a few eggs is ok.

[Dylan Butler]

dictatorships are not capitalist, idiot.

[Nicholas Moore]

Are communists the same as antifa?

[James Johnson]

Yes.

[Zachary Wright]

>Socialism
>Fascism

why the FUCK are people seriously this stupid? why the FUCK is it so hard for these dimwits to simply google a few words and to not make themselves look like complete retards?

More taxing has always been seen as a more leftist approach, so I don't see what you're saying here.

>muh soros

Let me get this straight.

Soros spends a few millions funding liberal activities in the world and he's the literal devil controlling ALL liberals in the world.

The Koch brothers have spent over a BILLION dollars funding far-right groups such as the Tea Party yet the Koch brothers are innocent and you aren't shills? Nice try. And I'm pretty sure I know much more about your country than you do, considering statistics and how stupid the average American is.

[Josiah Morgan]

I laughed.

[Cooper Thompson]

>More taxing has always been seen as a more leftist approach, so I don't see what you're saying here.

Nigger, how dense are you? I clearly explained the results. You were trying to exalt obama for taxing people less without mentioning the fact that it came as a result of 10 trillion dollars of debt. It wasn't some accomplishment of his, he literally burdened future generations twice as much by what he did. You're very clearly unprepared for this conversation, also you're a leaf.

[Carter Ross]

Sociaism: a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Fascism: is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce, that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe
Communism: a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

All have central ownership and redistribution, all are oppressive, all oppose freedom and freewill.
Read Hayek, Popper and MacIntyre instead of opinion polls.

[Dominic Lopez]

>soros
>liberal "activities"
Nigger. The guy tries to use the same tactics as the CIA with his stupid little larp paid protesters and you dumbfucks fall for it while the rest of the world laughs at you. We've already seen this play out when he tried to do it in 1999 in Seattle. The only people thinking this is a legit "uprising" of concerned people is a fucking tool or a druggie that doesn't know up from down and you'll get the hose just like the idiots a generation ago.

[Hudson Robinson]

How much private property did the Tea Party destroy?
How many cars did the Tea Party set on fire?
How many people did the Tea Party stab?
How many people did the Tea Party beat with sticks?

Give us the numbers since you're so informed. You're making false analogies left and right because you know there's literally no way to logically defend your position.

[Gabriel Murphy]

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[Dylan Cook]

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[Joseph Roberts]

Commies don't know how economies work

[Brandon Bailey]

Sort commie faggits

[Jordan Jackson]

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[Oliver Carter]

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[Jason Jenkins]

Burn in hell commies.

[Robert Jenkins]

Fuck off. What's the definition of insanity?

[William Long]

I like this one better

youtube.com/watch?v=B6nI1v7mwwA

[Julian Walker]

families from cuba can confirm communism is fucked
the only thing that will force me to fight is if commies try starting a revolution
i will shit my pants so hard that i'll die fighting commies forever and ever and ever until i turn to stone

[Thomas Diaz]

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[Angel Bennett]

>ultraleft althusser-lacan-zizekian leninist marxist communist
kek

[Benjamin Sullivan]

GAY.