If the central powers won WW1, WW2 would have never happened, communism would have never happened, and Western nations would be a exceptionally more traditional and conservative place
Basically, as the left wing is dominant in global culture, the right wing would be equally dominant in the other universe.
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Yep.
Fucking this. The destruction of the old order, the German Empire, and the countless monarchies that got eaten up through both world wars is what set us on our current degenerative path. We'd have a traditionalist, cultured and Christian Europe if WWI followed by WWII didn't fuck it all up.
Hell yeah. Maybe we would be exterminating nonwhites from time to time to keep their population down. Muh muh human rights, fucking estrogen politics
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>communism never would have happened
Depends on if the Germans won before/after they sent Lenin back to Russia to spread the communist virus
in regards to Alternate History, i always liked CP (Central Powers) Victory TLs. (Timelines)
also if the Central Powers had won WW1, there would be NO israel, NO saudi arabia, NO Al Qaeda, NO ISIS, and NO Americans going into the Middle East AT ALL. because the Ottoman Empire (also a Central Power) would still exist, and Middle East would be a peaceful and stable region. (inb4 Muh 6 Gorillion Kim Kardashians Gassed by Ataturk)
of course, and I would have colonized the moon on order form the King
>WW2 would have never happened, communism would have never happened
Probably. But something equally as bad or worse could have happened instead. So who knows.
Empires > Nazi Reich > Democracies
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Yeah, seems like that move backfired on them, didn't it?
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>Basically, as the left wing is dominant in global culture, the right wing would be equally dominant in the other universe.
I've reached the same conclusion as you on this. I also think colonies would still be a thing in this alternative timeline.
You listed things that wouldn't exist, but think of the ones that could. There always will be groups and organizations you mentioned.
We are lucky, it could be worse. Think of ISIS, but bigger and nuclear armed or something.
Big bump!
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>You listed things that wouldn't exist, but think of the ones that could.
well for one thing, i dont think Ottomans would let jews in Palestine, so like i said, NO israel. and the Arabian Peninsula would be under Ottoman rule, so sausins cant take over, and they tool over thanks to the Brits IOTL. (in our timeline)
>There always will be groups and organizations you mentioned.
i dont think ISIS would exist, because there would already be a Caliphate, (Ottomans were the Caliphate) and Al Qaeda wouldnt exist either because Osama would be just another Camel Herder without (((Americans))) funding him or israelis (Mossad) recruiting him for escapades in the Deserts.
>We are lucky, it could be worse.
no we are not, OTLs Middle East since 1924, (fall of Ottomans) is utter shit.
>Think of ISIS, but bigger and nuclear armed or something.
are you implying modern Ottomans would be like saudis or ISIS but bigger?
but the thing is that ww2 would still happen, if we consider the fact that frogs would get bitter at losing against the krauts and they would fall to socialism, the same would happen to britain
pretty much all CP Victory TLs i heard of had WW2 with the Entente getting revenge at Central Powers.
The Slavs and Russia would create National Communism to resist oppressive German rule and supported by Britain and France they would rise in uprising and war that would lead to collapse of German Empire, probably recreating Wend States originally taken by German crusaders.
>well for one thing, i dont think Ottomans would let jews in Palestine, so like i said, NO israel. and the Arabian Peninsula would be under Ottoman rule, so sausins cant take over, and they tool over thanks to the Brits IOTL. (in our timeline)
"sausins"
"tool"
i meant SAUDIS and TOOK, but you get the point. im waiting for the Latvian to reply me back.
If the central powers didn't start WW1, WW2 would never have happened, communism would have never happened, and Western nations would be exceptionally more traditional and conservative place
Basically, as the left wing is dominant in global culture, the right would be would equally dominant in the other universe
>National Communism
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i dont think Russia would be Communist, because the Whites would win the Russian Civil War with German backing.
as for Slavs, i think all Slavic States would be German vassals, like a Big Poland having Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine, a Reverse Yugoslavia with Capital in Zagreb and a Habsburg Monarch, a Czech and Slovak states, and Bulgaria is Slavic yet was part of CP, so i guess they would still be buddies with Berlin if CP Won.
Well, Communism would still have happened. The Bolshevik Revolution would have happened anyway - the Germans allowed Lenin passage through Germany on a sealed train to Finland to destabilise Russia, and it worked. The Russians were beaten and Brest-Litovsk ensured it. The United Baltic Duchy would have endured, Finland may still have a king.
As for Austria-Hungary, that was on its way out for decades. Maybe if it won and if Magyarisation was more thorough, it could have survived. There would have to have been intense integration programmes across the Empire to alleviate the ethnic divides.
As for the Ottoman Empire, everyone knew it was dead. Atatürk would still have taken power.
The Triple Entente, though, would be broken. Germany would have exacted reparations from the defeated nations. France would be broken, we'd be fucked, America would lose a fucktonne of money. But at least there wouldn't have been a WWII, so by the time the nations have picked themselves back up, there wouldn't have been another war to waste money on. There would have been bitter people calling for revenge. Impossible to guess how much traction that would have gotten.
that doesnt make sense, considering that the germans basically own all of europe and africa and the losers wouldnt have any useful colonies left
Woodrow Wilson was extremely stupid for getting us involved in WWI and forming the League of Nations. The LoN was the foundation for globalism, and letting nigger countries have power/influence over white ones.
During the 1800s, Europe and even the US basically controlled the world, and we did whatever we wanted. China tried to rebel against us during the Boxer Rebellion, so every major European power, the US, and Japan all bitch-slapped them.
Marxists basically ruined everything because they were weak faggots who couldn't be patient enough for labor reforms. Marxism caused the great divide between whites (left and right paradigm), and also the Soviet Union started funding rebellions in or colonial territories, causing whites to lose control there. Rhodesia would still be around today if not for Marxism and globalist liberals.
>start
It's been going downward since the Fall of Constantinopolis
>Russia
No one is going back to Russia, especially if the monarchy stays intact. Even in satellite state mode, Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine, and Belarus are definitely not going to want to be under Russian rule again. Besides, I don't know where you get this idea that German rule HAS to be oppressive. These countries would probably economically prosper under German leadership.
>Recreating Wend States
>Wend States
Ah I see, you're a Pole.
Germany would get more Colonies, but Entente countries would still have some of theirs, like Britain still having India or France still having Algeria, meaning that UK and FR are ready for round 2. even French General Ferdinand Foch said, "this is not a Peace Treaty, its an Armistice for the Next 20 Years".
Be very lucky the 20th century played out as it did. We could have easily gotten into a war that actually used the nuclear bombs we kept shit talking for the latter half.
If WWI and WWII didn't go as it did. Half of us could have been wiped out before the century ended.
hey, now where's that Latvian i talked with? continue our Mid East talks.
>Bolshevik revolution would have happened anyway.
Maybe, but without the new USSR would still be pushed back further than it was in out timeline. Additionally, if the Kaiser won on the Western Front, he may have interceded in Russia to save his cousin (He did after all, hate the idea of even speaking to communists because he knew they would come for Germany and by extension him, next) but the military situation was desperate.
>Austria Hungary
If the new ruler continues along Franz Ferdinand's train of thought of a united Slavic provinces with proper representation to form a United States of Central Europe I think all should go well.
>Ottoman Empire
If it wins, it's not going anywhere for a while, especially while propped up by an even more powerful German Empire.
>Reparations
From France yes. From Britain probably no (They'd have no way to enforce it anyway) And even then, the reparations would be nothing like the Versailles Treaty because no fighting was actually done on German territory.
>America
America would lose a lot of money. I don't personally care for America. Wilson was a stooge of big business. America should find some other avenue to generate revenue than war profiteering like the Jews they are.
Don't be so naive. You think no new states would come up? And that societies would be immune to corruption?
And yes, any nation, group, or organization could become the alternative to Saudis, ISIS, shadow elites or whatever.
If there would be no globalists or terrorist states someone else you fill in their shoes in one form or another.
Greed and the lust for power is what made the world into what it is today. And those are thing you can't remove. It is in human nature.
Who do you think you are? You are not entitled to my attention.
Nah, since christianity spread though europe
>Confederate Flag
ever heard of Harry Turtledove?
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the Population Reduction* never happened, but it should have happened, and will happen, Featherston did Nothing wrong.
*TL-191 Holohoax, but with niggers instead of kikes.
it's been going downward since the first civilization(that we know of) - the Sumerians.
Civilization is unnatural
It has been going towards the shitters ever since when agriculture was introduced.
I couldn't agree more. I've been saying this to my friends in history class for so long.
WW1 shouldn't have happened and it's results brought degeneracy to Europe with the toppling of great monarchies like thr Germans'
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The Communist/ radical random ideology bastions would be both France and Russia, the bitter losers in this scenario, surrounding a German-dominated Central Europe full of monarchies.
The UK would have been in a strange place: the central powers didnt want anything from the British empire, so it would have lost without lose anything important.
It's impossible to predict who the British would have supported in the case of a second war in Europe: The former enemy who share a similar ideology or the extremist old allies.
USA would have stuck with the Monroe doctrine, so no intervention in the old world as long the new world is left to them.
Anything further the 30's is impossible to predict anyway, but i think until that limit this is a really concrete scenario.
Russia was pretty close to conquering Constantinople had it not been for thr war since the turks were almost finished
Kaiser Wilhelm II was a hero. AND Franz Josef (a friend of his, and distant relative of mine) was given no choice but to protect Germans from Serbian attacks.
Wilhelm II was a moron though. Germany needed a leader with brains, instead he put his faith in Jewish bullshit with foreseeable results.
The british empire always protected Costantinople from Russian hands, and even during the war supported the option to make Costantinople an indipendent city-state under international protection. So the only way the Russian would have archieved it was a total war with both the UK and the Ottomans.
Implying this is unpopular opinion on /pol
Kaiser was the cousin of English Monarchy as well. And Russian monarchy. Truly, brother vs brother.
Can be argued that settlement and semi-urban environment decreases the intelligence, but agriculture and farming in European climate takes a lot of smarts and planning. Besides for a growing tribe and it's ambitions - you need a production of food (which can also serve as a back up when other means of gathering food are not working)
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>Don't be so naive. You think no new states would come up?
maybe, maybe not, but i still think a jew State in Palestine would NOT exist with Turkroaches still ruling the Mid East.
>And that societies would be immune to corruption?
not sure, but why not find out who is creating the (((Corrpution))) in todays World while were at it.
>And yes, any nation, group, or
organization could become the alternative to Saudis, ISIS, shadow elites or whatever.
well i think the (((Shadow Elites))) would still exist but they would be WEAKER in a such Scenario OP put out.
>If there would be no globalists or terrorist states someone else you fill in their shoes in one form or another.
really, who?
>Greed and the lust for power is what made the world into what it is today. And those are thing you can't remove. It is in human nature.
jews are the most Greedy and lusty.
and no im not asking for your Attention, just Opinions.
WWI was a direct consequence of degenerate monarchies. I know you crave something to believe in but suggest you don't try to make it any FAILED ideology.
Monarchic fail gave the world Bolshevism, Nazism, Maoism (though the Chink monarchy was mostly finished decades prior) and continues to give the world incompetent Muslim monarchies in the Persian Gulf.
Kaiserboos, Tsarboos etc never mention that Bolshevism only thrives on failure of other systems. You probably dream of pretty castles but forget the oppression and looting of the peasantry which built them.
The peasants didn't forget and killed or displaced their bad masters. That the replacement was often worse does not invalidate the reasons for revolution.
>Confederate Flag
It's not an unpopular opinion at all. These two videos on YouTube do a really good job of coming to the same conclusions that you do. Stop what you're doing and give them a watch.
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its true, well done anglos, well fucking done
They fall because of an international war, not an internal collapse. a system is a true failure only if it's collapse without external interventions (just like the USSR)
> communism would have never happened
> forgets that communism is a german invention designed to destabilize and destroy other race's states
> forgets that Brest Litowsk caused the bolshewik revolution
Op is a faggot.
Communism rose from Russian serfdom. Makes sense since the old regime was much worse. Many people were actual slaves and had absolutely fucking nothing (by law).
Slavshits may claim otherwise but we all know how "Ivan the boyar" works.
MFW Prussia would still exist.
Nuclear war in the 1960s would be somewhat better then liberals/jews winning (which they will)
Serfdom was abolished in 1861, about 20% of population (White one, who cares about shitskins lol) were serfs.
Many Europeans states had a higher % and cancelled it later than Russia.
Learn some history, gitano mauro the 4% nigger
I always forget how entwined they were. The Masons know how to puppeteer, I give them that.
This is very one dimensional thinking, but I'm too tired to sit here all night and argue. Make of that what you will.
Read Beyond Good and Evil by Friedrich Nietzsche if you want, maybe it will open your eyes as it did mine.
>Kaliyuga
Israel has a right to exist and is the only moral alternative to the JQ. When Europe decides to get rid of their Jews, they have somewhere to go and will be made to stay there.
That's not an unpopular opinion here. What you're saying is essentially the summary of Pat Buchanan's Unnecessary War.
>People calling the German empire the old order
>Literally a brand new nation
The eternal anglo should be best friends with germs. They both fucked europe over so many times
>Israel has a right to exist and is the only moral alternative to the JQ.
This desu. It's a shame they didn't go through with the Haavara Agreement.
That's the only logical conclusion. Palestine fags are shitskins, wackos and low iq morons (80% of pol)
We should be striving for a nuclear-free world because MAD will not last forever (we'd be lucky if it lasts this century) and no amount of hypothetical conventional wars would surpass the prospect of blowing up the world forever, because that's literally the only outcome of all-out thermonuclear war.
t. eternal anglo
Not an argument.
t. subhuman descendant of Syrian student to """""""""based"""""""" Warsaw Pact
Never has a collection of pixels so accurately summed up America
Communism uprising was already under way in Russia before WW1 was over. It would probably still have consumed Russia, but maybe been contained there. A slight change would have been on others to intervene in the Russian Communist vs. White armies clash on the side of the White armies - thus leaving Tzar in power - but I doubt any other nation would have been ready to fight for Tzar in Russia.
Yeah, I want to live in that timeline.
Israel is likely a puppet state of the US now. There is really no resources there, just an artificial state to make shit up and and a great possibiliy for the US to sell and try new weapons and "take care" of the Mid-East.
The jews should have assimilate and their religion should have gone extinct in the early XX c. because that was the tendency.
Achtung, achtung! We have found the Ashkenazi!
It isn't an unpopular opinion. We need to restore the monarchies. The aristocracy must be crushed for several generations because if we allowed it right now it would be a bunch of elitist jerk sjw techheads. But after a few generations of absolute monarchy we'd have a more virtuous class of nobility we could entrust the rule of day to day affairs. Democracy in general has to go though. We can still allow a sort of republic with votes and assemblies, but all must recognize the king's divine right.
If the Jews all lived in Israel, America wouldn't have nearly as much sway in the Middle East as they do or vice versa.
>estrogen politics
I'm definitely stealing this
This is common knowledge
>I'm definitely stealing this
you have to go back, faggot
That would have been a problem what would have been solved later in time.
If the central powers hadn't started the great war, the great war wouldn't have happened.
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>Serfdom was abolished in 1861
Sure. And Putin is a democratic elected leader. So is the president of Angola.
The Kaizer was an idiot who didn't know wtf he was doing and pissed off everybody. Germany died with Bismark.
The world would have been even better if ww1 never happened in the first place
If Germany won WW2 we would have more Communism. They probably would have tried to revolt in the UK and France
Ww1 I mean
you arent saying everything, user. Russia was one of the last countries in Europe to abolish serfdom. Moreover it meant almost nothing to serf who gained freedom, but no land. Most of them still had to still work on field of their former masters because they have nothing.
Thats why narodniki threw bomb at Alexander II.
Former serf peasants were still deeply in shit well into 1900s and Lenin got large amount of them on his side by simply promising them land redistribution which they waited for over 50 years
It is more hypothetic than assimilating every Jew. Sincs the begin of the written history, there are jewish diasporas all over the world. Cf. Alexandria in antiquity
>tfw stuck in this universe while some chad version of me is in the ultra conservative alt universe not shitposting away his will to live
You're wrong at any rate.
I agree but I think that Mosley would have gained power in Britain instead of any socialist leader. Can't say the same about France though
I literally want to get rid of nukes so just we can have mass conventional warfare again.
India versus China would be fun to watch.