whats the point of all these new youtube clones popping up? They don't have any real options to monetize these site nor can they ever pay content creators.
What is the point dropping your red pills on sites without normies? why should someone upload his normie content for free on these sites when he could monetize it on yt?
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mirror till normies come?
I like both bitchute and vidme
will creators support this? I don't think so...
they're just positioning themselves in case youtube oversteps even more. There's a lot of bitching about CPM among youtubers. Something will give eventually.
Youtube is only concerned about keeping the normies which is probably the most profitable decisions, but there will be niches where less censorship can make a profit.
And who knows, there have been rapid swings like digg->reddit, or myspace->facebook
to bypass monopolies and censorships
u cant monetize your right wing political views unles u are neocon or have 10 lawyers behind your back like jones .
>What is the point dropping your red pills on sites without normies?
It's not a fucking popularity contest.
0.01 ruppee into your account for this post
It's like the internet from 15 years ago.
A lot of new websites. In the end, only a handful will prevail. Hopefully, Youtube ends up as MySpace and Bitchute becomes the new leader.
how if there is no monetization?
ill shove my bit up your chute
Bitchute had potential, until they named it Bitchute.
> b-but, m-muh shekels
chill the fuck out, kike. once upon a time there wasn't "monetization" on YouTube either. you need content before you can get advertisers, and you need advertisers before you can have users passed shekels for ads.
Who are you, Angela fucking Merkel ?
Are you stupid?
Things start off small then grow. They grow because people support them. If people dont support them when they are small and need growth because they are not already established, then we end up with monopolies ie google.
fuck off.
the point of yt going full SJW is because of advertisers don't want their ads on Sup Forums content.
Monetization is a must in the long term
It just doesn't have to be like tons of flashy banners and pop-ups scattered all over the place
>Bitch
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>tay
yeah that's a very convenient cover for censorship, but i assure you that advertising targeting is far more advanced than you can possibly imagine. i used to work in the ad industry doing data science.
if they wanted to segregate it, they could. the simple fact is it's a nice excuse for them to both do less work and also enact the censorship policies that their hearts desire.
think for yourself. you sound like a butthurt "content creator" shrieking about his shekels.
>advertisers shit on google to remove their ads on Sup Forums content because of some WSJ article
>most content posted on these alt sites is Sup Forums content because it's banned on youtube
>advertisers will be suddenly ok with putting their ads on Sup Forums content
you see the flaw?
ever wondered why Sup Forums barely can stay afloat even though its one of the biggest site on the interwebs?
>They don't have any real options to monetize these site nor can they ever pay content creators.
They said this about YouTube years ago, before Google bought them and introduced ads to it.
I don't get BitChute. I thought it was meant to have a comments system but every time I click on a video it just gives me a download page and I get the video sent to me. It doesn't stream, so it's worthless. I don't want to have to download a whole video to see if I like it or not.
>but i assure you that advertising targeting is far more advanced than you can possibly imagine
Precisely. They do have their targeting options and can easily opt out of political videos.
Plus who wants an ad supported web? Patreon / Merch model is superior, and really good content creators get paid in kind.
Read an old book, Oglivy on Marketing. He talks about buying TV spots in the late 70's. What does he do? Buys boring spots on reruns of old films, long spots 2-3mins. Why? When someone wants to watch something new (new sitcom), you can't ask much of their attention to perform another action (pick up the phone, and order your new product). People haven't changed.
Youtube's model is mostly directed traffic. YOU choose what you want. Not many just stick it on like an old movie and sit through the ad's. So it's infinitely less successful than 70's TV ever was, by design, because you can essentially only watch things you have a high interest in. Therefore, even the ad's won't call you to action well. The fix for this is hyper-targeting, which means a fucking incredibly specific ad would get you acting, but that is probably a ways off (think AI tailoring an ad with voice / video built off your history on the fly).
>"Hello, I'm this is Dr Pierce, you know, the huwhite man has to deal with a lot of annoyances, but one annoyance this huwhite man doesn't have to deal with is roaches. With Raid I gas them all away. Raid, kills roaches dead."
A possibility.
Until then, overall, ad supported on demand content is a dead fucking idea, Google knows it, the game is almost up. The crack down is more about having to tell their advertisers that CPM is lower because of "hate speech, new algorithm goy, of course some trouble".
>They said this about YouTube years ago, before Google bought them and introduced ads to it.
and started to filter out every non-ad-friendly content year by year...
>youtube clones
>p2p streaming
say what you want about the politics of it, but bitchute is a completely different beast on it's own. it's just so happens that the right wing is gravitating towards it because they're afraid of what youtube might do to them.
if your life depends on getting money on 10 minute youtube vids where you yell into built in camera you better rethink your life
also, think about google's biggest ad source - adwords, i.e. the ads that show up on google searches themselves.
advertisers' ads show up on "undesirable" searches all the time. big advertisers have hundreds of thousands of keywords that sometimes make their ads show up on "Sup Forums-tier searches" and yet google doesn't prevent Sup Forums-tier searches (or do they...).
it's called brand safety. it's part of advertising. in general, advertisers are concerned about it but not overly obsessed with it. it's not a show-stoppingly big deal if ads get run on edgy content sometimes.
>Plus who wants an ad supported web?
Monetization doesn't equate ads per se. It's just that ads are the most common form. Sure, there are other forms, which are less annoying for the end user.
Tipping might work, this idea just needs to be pushed harder. The site could take a commission on each tip to function.
> I used to work in the ad industry doing data science.
I used to work as a pimp and your mom was my cheapest whore. Take your anecdotes and fuck off. Nobody wants to advertise on channels that will ruin their brand.
yeah, at least bitchute tries something different. But they still will need a huge server infrastructure to provide the quality which youtube does right now.
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you don't know what you're talking about, dude.
Why should I believe anything that you say? Your entire argument revolves around you claiming that you worked in the ad industry.
In fact, I can easily figure out niches which are perfect for those audiences
Crypto is just one example, people with alternative political beliefs often take to crypto
Because YouTube is cancer.
You can't reliably monetize your content on YouTube anymore, so how is this any different?
if you put non-edgy advertiser friendly content on yt you still earn a lot.
lmao no it doesn't. i'm making true statements about the way ads work that i just so happened to learn doing it professionally. you can look it all up yourself, or you could keep trolling on Sup Forums and shilling for YouTube.
They need to build ads in with the ability for users to choose which if any channels to view ads on. Then advertisers have to place their ads on content the users like.
You need to delete system32 folder
Monetization is a very broad thing. It doesn't necessarily mean annoying gay videos on autoplay. It's just that people most often associate it with ads, which is not correct.
As an example, you could leave a link to your own shopify store, saying "if you like my vids, buy my stuff here". This is monetization, but not traditional ads.
>nazi flag
>posts girl with tattoos
Nope. It's p2p
you're the server m8.
and you still need a lot of servers providing everything everywhere in high quality and speed.
downloading p2p without proper trackers seeding always ended up being ultra slow.
It's called Rupee you taco xD
So, everyone hates ads and video ads. Understandably.
What do you think about the tipping model? I think it's pretty promising. Far from its full potential yet. The host site could serve as an arbiter, taking a cut on each tipping. You top up your balance first, and then tip your favorite video creators with one click.
Explain that to Reviewbrah who got demonetized
the same way thepiratebay works. BitChute isn't a business, it is a protocol that will be copied.
Anyone will be able to copy bitchute's index and host a clone site with the same videos. Hundreds of p2p streaming sites will be able to pop up and nobody will have the power to censor a video.
tipping works for a limited amount since only a limited amount of people are even willing to tip at all.
i like it. something like steem but for video. it would work great if the token were tied to the site itself so you could "tip" instantly instead of tipping through a standard crypto or fiat.
Bitchute can fuck off, they don't have absolute freedom and no one bothers to read their guidelines.
>Content containing or promoting pornography will not be tolerated.
So I'm not allowed to comment on porn or give a porn tier list if I'm a creator?
>glorifying violence will not be tolerated.
What the fuck does this even mean, am I not allowed to show guns? Am I not allowed to have fighting, simulated violence.
I need clearer rules and do's/don't than this vague bullshit. Creator seems like a person who likes to say believe something, but only believes in what appeals to them. What fucking happened to I might disagree with you, but I'll defend your right to say it.
Who cares, soon as bitchute leaves alpha you can copy their site and host a clone that has porn and red pills.
it's not like you can out your censored videos on some Russian hoster or torrent since always.
The point is that it's not really seen by any normies which this is all about and they still can revoke bitchutes domain / search indexing and making it another underground warez site...
I think we can find a solution. First, by convincing people of the benefits of tipping, making it fashionable. Second, we could encourage tipping by making full videos only available to tipping users.
There's no actual worthwhile content in all these channels, is just aspergers and stormweenie shitposting in video form
88tube, trutube, bitchute, etc all have the same userbase of autists who are the least monetizing userbase out of the whole internet
None of these sites will take off, it's just a stormfag whimper before the final fall
>but muh YouTube clone circlejerk!!
KYS
It's not about porn, it's about absolute creative possibility. Instead some fag gets to say he believes in something, while at the same time stands on a moral high ground censoring shit for 'decency'.
You might hate south park and current comedy central, but you have to appreciate comedy central at least always allowing them to do whatever and tap dance the line. No internet medium would monetize a south park tier creation today, old comedy central stood by and defended their right to insult islam/Muhammad. you wouldn't see that today.
>it would work great if the token were tied to the site itself so you could "tip" instantly instead of tipping through a standard crypto or fiat.
Yeah, that was the point
Usability is everything
>it's not like you can out your censored videos on some Russian hoster or torrent since always.
but those aren't convenient streaming services or uncensored.
Bitchute just works on any browser, if clones keep getting stomped out then someone can create a site that tells normies what the new place to go is.
hiding videos behind a paywall gas already been tried many times and we wouldn't have this thread if it actually worked.
paying for HQ and other paywalls were actually pretty common in the pre youtube internet.
>It's not about porn, it's about absolute creative possibility
same point, they can censor what appears on bitchute but if their platform succeeds it wont matter because you can use an alternative that has bitchutes content and other content in the same location.
you can download warez from you browser as well yet most of these sites are hidden and not really visited by normies.
Also a lot of people got raided for torrenting.
You trying to steal their code later on, run to Peter Thiel and get funded with me?
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The reasons why monitization was created:
1. So Jewgle could make money off content they didn't create
2. So Jewgle could (((shut it down))) by making content creators dependent on their system
Free content is the only way this works. Did you faggots learn nothing from Napster and the music industry?
Those who really care about their cause will do it without begging for shekels. Do you think Ben Franklin published anti-British pamphlets because he was making money off it?
You filthy kikes.
>a lot of people got raided
for torrenting copyrighted content...
Also bitchute isn't hidden, and clones wont have to be hidden. If you don't want to be raided you can police your own clone for copyright infringement or hope it catches on so well the feds would have to arrest everyone.
nigger read the faq
bitchute.com
>Can I host a torrent on my site?
>Yes, the more the better. Otherwise, this project is just another YouTube wannabe. We will eventually have tools and tutorials to assist and encourage this. Torrents take on a life of their own and can operate independently of any web site that indexes them. Your website can be another index as we work towards a decentralized Internet.
Not that bitchute is great or anything, but the great thing about the US is your time and your money are everyday votes. when you upload to youtube, you are essentially voting to keep youtube afloat. same with going to a restaraunt, swimming at a pool, purchasing groceries, etc. when you refuse to give your time and/or money to a company, you can alter policy. if enough people "vote" the same way as you, the business must alter it's policy to conform to market demand; otherwise, they fail. that's why greedy 1% are not necessarily a bad thing. the drive to make money typically creates products and policies that the market "votes" for. a ceo doesn't care what his company's policies are as long as his product is selling and his bank account is full. in the end, it's not that bitchute is good, it's that you are finally able to cast a vote against youtube. this goes for gab and all the other dotcoms.
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>hiding videos behind a paywall gas already been tried many times and we wouldn't have this thread if it actually worked.
I am sure those were things of a totally different kind, and what I am talking about is not really your traditional subscription services. It's not about paying money to the site, it's about spending money ON the site, paying other people. The site just takes its small cut to function.
Like, if you want to be part of the community and have access to full videos, donate at least 1$ worth of tips monthly to other people. The entry level should not be really high. I think this might work and it fosters reciprocity.
Google and Facebook are advertising companies.
People literally create content for free so they can sell you advertisements.
Anyone who works that many hours without getting paid is a moron. Anyone who believes anything those stupid companies say is a moron. All they want is attention and clicks.
They sell advertisements. Advertisements on your phone, or on your screen. It's just ads.
>publishing pamphlets is the same as having a full time job producing videos that don't actually create any income or wealth in any form
You niggers are done for, also, it's retarded to compare Ben Franklin to millennial mouthbreathers who live off YT shekels, lmao.
Taco?
It's Takka for the Bangladeshis
>Anyone who works that many hours without getting paid is a moron.
Not necessarily. Not if they only care about getting a message out there.
The morons are those who let others make money off their work.
>Also bitchute isn't hidden, and clones wont have to be hidden.
not yet... but if people keep uploading content from youtube they don't own they will have to take action soon.
and content creators willingly upload their stuff without any monetization won't happen in a scale that can compete with youtube.
BitchU trippin?
This is complex, there are a lot of reasons while purely cause-driven projects usually don't work
In short: if you stand for your cause, you need the masses to listen to you. And the masses usually flock to where they find recreation and entertainment.
Who says Youtube has to be someone's fulltime job? It shouldn't be.
I think BitChute has the potential to surpass YouTube if they play their cards right. Currently they need to be focused on improving the functionality and interface of their website. YouTube's monetization model is failing for them, the overhead cost of all the servers they need for video streaming is too much to pay for with ads.
BitChute can make their server overhead near 0 with use of BitTorrent streamed video.
Use LBRY.
very concise argument and very well put OP. YOu summarized everything about why this is doomed to fail. I have nothing to add to your great wording.
could be worth a try.
paying some money and distribute that money through like or so to the creators.
right, now actually take a moment to think about what you just said and realize there was no internet to get information for the pamphlet, all the books were expensive and old, and everything had to be laid out, typeset, and printed by hand.
still think being a YouTube Content Creator TM with your Rode mic and ring light and pirated copy of Adobe Premiere pro is such hard work compared to putting together propaganda pamphlets in the late 17th century?
That's why Youtube needs to be taken down, just like Myspace was. But it won't go down if people insist on staying.
Speaking for myself, I have deleted all my Google-related accounts and installed AdNauseum.
How did you get into something like that?
>Bitchute
>Shitboot
First you build the audience. Then you figure out how to monetize.
The future for conservatives will probably be one of the conservative sites like CRTV, Compound Media, (((The Rebel))) starting to gobble up all the talent and make money from subscription.
Yeah, and I think the sense of community might be very real
>Who says Youtube has to be someone's fulltime job? It shouldn't be.
How so? You do realize you need money to cover events and spend lots of time investigating some topic?
Don't tell me you think a guy like molymeme doesn't spend lots of time and energy on his show? I assure you he wouldn't make the show if he didn't earn any money
You niggers unironically believe every youtuber is just doing their show for finales while they own a business that generates income for them
Fucking retards
Literally bitch ute
AdNauseum is bullshit, I'm too lazy to explain why
Oi vey it's such a bad name I say.
Ben Franklin was a wealthy man who paid people to do it for him, he also owned businesses and sources of income
You're comparing ben Franklin to some YT millennial retards who have never done any real work in their lives
Most YT e celebs simply don't own businesses oside of their YT channels
OPs obvious attempt to black pill
Fuck off sir, fuck right off
If this only affects YT millennial retards, why do we care?
Legit idea, folks
Spread it if you like it, maybe we'll see it implemented more and more
YouTube millennial retards are the only people producing content in such form, that's the topic of this thread, is it not?
It's hilarious how you niggers expect people to pump out content that involves lots of time, energy, and money to produce
Should youtubers just move to their parents home so they can keep pumping out meme videos?
Geez, I can smell the NEET stench in this thread
This pic kills the shill threads.
Using webtorrent is the future of Video hosting. BitchUte is a step in the right direction, but holy fuck their name is retarded. Still think it has potential though.
Then they should create their own websites, manage their own advertising and get their own clicks.
example; Infowars.
Infowars' sole source of income comes from selling overpriced chink supplements, you have no idea of how hard it is to get advertisers on your site, even moreso if your brand associates with white nationalists / nazis and memes about the jews
You tards thought the goose who lays the golden eggs would last forever and never planned ahead, that puts a big smile in my face.
you are butthurt. Whites won the mexican american war, accept it like a man.