Why does the west tend to have such a bad problem with ADHD? Is this something we have just made up? No other countries seem to drug up their kids and adults with amphetamines like we do.
I have never heard of this being a problem in Asian countries or African countries.
because such mental illnesses arent a priority with respect to the health care initiatives in those regions.
its most certainly not "made up" there are volumes of psychiatric studies and neurochemical analyses that confirm its existence.
theres a reason why its in the DSM
yes, the guy who "discovered" this mental illness and said "Amphetamine" was the cure, admitted it on his death bed.
ADHD is what they say when you don´t behave like a subservient little girl.
So they make you drug addicted for shekels to destroy every potential thread for their system.
he called it a "fictitious disease"
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Psychology is not a science, it's a political lobby.
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yes you clearly have such a solid understanding of ADHD.
even if this person did say that, it means nothing.
decades of research have demonstrated time and time again the legitimacy of ADHD from a biochemical and neurological standpoint.
no one is talking about psychology...
i think you're referring to "psychiatry" which is a discipline in medicine, and is most certainly a science.
There is no such thing. It is just natrual behaviour that is being exagerrated by the curent society.
Have been there.
It can also be a right sided brain, leading to a visual learning style.
It can be PTBS.
It can be just high sensitivity.
it can be high IQ.
Or it´s just male behaviour.
Cognitive enhancement shouldn't be illegal
We have lots of jew psychologists and psychiatrists that diagnose that shit at the drop of a hat
That's an argument that we shouldn't force kids to take it, not that it should be illegal to be prescribed to adults with adhd.
Because parents are shittier in western countries. Also, it's a "thing" in Japan. I taught a couple kids who were "diagnosed" with it. I also taught a legit autist (as opposed to Sup Forums autist) whose parents insisted he attend normal classes. Kid had freak outs every couple hours. One incident involved him autistic screeching and smashing his head on his desk until he drew blood.
Non western countries have easy access to drugs
you are listing possible confounding diagnoses, but youre not addressing the merits of the illness itself.
adhd is linked to lower levels of dopamine and norepinephrine in the synaptic cleft of the frontal lobe. in order words, a disregulation of the D2 receptor.
that is the pathology of ADHD, and it cannot be refuted or called false.
if you want to argue other illnesses that share similarities to ADHD symptoms, thats an entirely different thing.
could'nt agree more, for the most part at least.
amphetamines and methylphenidate products used to achieve one's intellectual limits should not be made illegal
they have easy access to certain drugs, but most definitely not most.
Not a real illness just trying to give kids amphetamines and bullshit
I´m not a neurologist, but could it probably be, that when you sit in front of your math homework, which isn´t interesting at all, that your brain just does not provide enough dopamine because it´s not important?
Roasties are trying to climb the corporate ladder and then shit out a retard baby when she meets "Mr. Right"
Just another batch of failed eugenic tests for our new slave gender. MS is the future
Shitrat kids raised by negligent parents. It was the 90s version of assburgers.
Took that stuff since the age of 4 stoped at 16 this shit is fucked up
I have diagnosed asperger's syndrome and ADD. I take 45mg of amphetamines every single day. Together with my autism mind and medicated ultra-concentration I can be the übermensch I was always destined to be. Math, physics, chemistry? No problem. I'll fucking read scientific formulas 12 hours straight, and I will enjoy it.
This is like a miracle drug. Sure, I can't really sleep or eat, but I can pass any test, I can read any material for hours and not get bored or tired, I don't get tired after working out etc. It's fucking great.
thats the thing, almost every psychiatric illness is experienced by everyone to a certain extent. but it becomes an illness when it hinders a persons quality of life or it present all the time.
the scenario you mentioned is something that happens all the time, but thats not what ADHD is.
ADHD has a vast list of other defining symptoms beyond just inattentiveness.
nice glad to hear it helps you.
what medicine do you take? vyvanse?
I was put on adderall two years ago and my gpa went from 2.9 to 3.5 in one year. If you can get a script and you don't, you're only cucking yourself
>thats the thing, almost every psychiatric illness is experienced by everyone to a certain extent. but it becomes an illness when it hinders a persons quality of life or it present all the time.
For ADHD id usually does not do it.
I really think that in (almost) every case of ADHD you can find another explaination for the behaviour - pathological or non pathological.
It´s just a lot easier and more profitable to give a child which is abused at home, and so shows for example a hyper-vigilance drugs instead of really intervening.
You are hooking kids in for the very beginning to be depended on the pharmaceutical Jew.
For mostly uncomfortable, unusual or (for a sick society) unadopted behaviour which has not to be pathological and in my opinion should not be pathologized.
In the UK you disability living and care allowance if your kid has ADHD. Theres one gypsy mum I know who claims it for all 4 of her kids. That alongside her tax credits is raking in what an equivalent salary of £80k.
Damn, I think I need some of those assburger drugs. I can't concentrate to anything except things I have high interest for.
Concerta, feels good man.
Get checked again, get a second opinion. In my original assbuger tests the doctor said I had "sort of" ADD type of symptoms, but not sever enough to be considered as disorder. Year later another doctor re-evaluated my papers and decided I should try medication, and medication it was. I didn't personally get a second opinion, the doctor just happened to dig out my papers and contacted my psychologist about it.
concerta isnt an amphetamine bro, its a methylphenidate product.
because we don't beat our kids anymore or like china, the little shits start telling teachers you're abusing them or some cunt family member calls cys in america, at least.
Add the zero factor family structure on top of giving low energy kids drugs that speed them up for years is just gonna turn them into zombies no doubt, just one of many ways to make the (((blue pilled))) population more docile
why is it an average prescription of adderall is 20mg, twice a day and a fighter pilot is 5-10mg for an entire day/night of sorties? the fuck does any human being need to be on close to 50mg+ every day no breaks
Hmm, my bad. I believed concerta was amphetamine derivative. Well, whatever it is, it works.
I'm a Psychiatrist (no bully). Growing evidence is showing, at least in males, adhd is caused by:
>Too much porn - stimulating need for dopamine
>too much sugar stimulating need for dopamine
>too much tv/games and over stimulation
The Chinese are on to something when they force those kids into internet addiction camps. ADHD in most cases is a lack of focus driven by too much dopamine, and desire for dopamine stimulating activities to get "your fix". What might have just been a normal boring subject become unbearable when you are in the constantly dopamine stimulated state.
So yes, it's a disease of "civilization", but it's mostly a symptom of a larger over-stimulation, poor diet, zero exercise.
Dr's know that getting someone to change their habits is one of the hardest things to do in medicine (think about all those who loose a leg just because they won't stop eating sugar). So they medicate.
will give u that, I took 5 or 10mg ritalin once and was happily detailing my car for 6 hours without the negative comedown effects I've felt with any dose of adderall
would love to have any kind of supply of it again for my midnight shifts
>So yes, it's a disease of "civilization", but it's mostly a symptom of a larger over-stimulation, poor diet, zero exercise.
Nail on the head
there is a high amount of people diagnosed with adhd on Sup Forums
coincidence?
i dont think so
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Fellow concerta bro here.
Addy isn't available here though
>ADHD in most cases is a lack of focus driven by too much dopamine
that is incorrect. the inattentiveness characteristic of ADHD is the result of LOWER dopamine and norepinephrine levels
Caused by overstimulation before hand.
Your brain craves the dopamine, because the "new normal" has been set higher.
There are cases of people having naturally lower dopamine - but these are the vast minority.
>Your brain craves the dopamine, because the "new normal" has been set higher.
Dopamine dysfuncion is not the main cause of adhd. That's why thought has moved into understanding that it's more of an addiction/relief drive rather than being individually "dysfunctional" in dopamine production/regulation.
So, to OPs point, why is it only in the west? The chemical stimulation that other countries don't have, the sexual stimulation the other countries don't have, and the escapism stimulation the other countries don't have.
>Professor Barbara Sahakian who led the study at the BCNI said: “We feel these results are extremely important since they show that people who have poor concentration improve with methylphenidate (Ritalin) treatment whether they have a diagnosis of adult ADHD or not. These new findings demonstrate that poor performers, including healthy volunteers, were helped by the treatment and this improvement was related to increases in dopamine in the brain.”
Anyone does better at boring tasks using Ritalin.
At what age were you diagnosed and given medication? How long have to been on the medication? Do you feel any negative effects?
Users in this thread seem to speak very highly of taking drugs to treat ADHD but none tell of any negative effects.
Over-diagnosis, psychology having two distinct branches. One branch is jordan peterson, the other is the pseudo science politically motivated mental gymnastics combined with big pharma.
Together with poison in the foods, poison for the mind (mainstream tv, disney and CNN), modern psychology wants to label everything in an ever expanding group of check boxs. They have their heads up their own asses and in fact have little insight into humans. They just want to push pills.
Some of the worst psychopaths happen to be psychologists. I personally met/know two psychologists non-professionally. They are both lower functioning than myself, but they also hold dangerous communist beliefs and display a lot of arrogance.
Sweating a lot, constant hunger if you stop taking it, sometimes stomach hurts.
That's pretty much it for me
Also been taking since I was 16, so almost a decade now
Fact is that western life is fucking boring as fuck for young men
ADD is total fucking bullshit man. The worst part about it is that I went to a shrink to just get my legal meth prescription, and she fucking questions me for 2 hours and after says, "I don't give medication to people over 10 years of age." They literally just get your children hooked on the shit, and make a fortune off their meth addiction. God forbid a student want something a little stronger than coffee to assist them in a last minute effusion.
Why would you stop taking it? Do you need to in order to stop getting used to the medication? Or is it withdraws sort of like a drug addict?
>I don't give medication to people over 10 years of age."
Wut. Literally why is this? I would think they would be more willing to help adults with medication since they are willing to go through the long expensive process of getting help?
Got diagnosed in my mid-20s, so I can brush aside all the puberty related negative effects. The most notable negative side effects have been sleep problems, lack of appetite, and constant feeling of thirst. Also the first crashes were pretty awful, but they got milder as I kept going on. I've been drugged for about 3 months now, and I think the benefits overweight the negative side effects.
I just have to remember eat regularly, always keep water bottle with me, and go to bed early even if I don't feel tired.
But don't get me wrong, this is some hardcore shit and I can definitely understand now why it's considered as illegal drug when unprescripted. You have to go through medical screening and mental evaluation before they will prescribe this stuff and for a good reason. I can only imagine what would happen if some schizophrenic takes this, or someone with anorexia or depression.
It's a pretty strange sensation to feel physical hunger, but not mental hunger, if that makes any sense. You can feel your stomach being empty, but your mind says it's all good. You have to shove up bread in your mouth and force yourself to eat something.
alcohol is a hardcore drug
According to her, as an adult you would simply be taking a drug to cope. By that, she means taking the drug would temporarily give you a feeling of productivity, this is the meth acting. As you become tolerant, your baseline for "normal function" lowers, requiring the drug to make you feel "normal". As this goes on, and you have to increase dosage (up to 60mg), you are worse off than if you simply took other measures (exercise, healthy diet, regular schedule, proper sleep, good sex). Don't get me wrong, I am redpilled on drugs being a means of functioning within society. When you can have a cocktail, smoke a herb, or take a pill that makes certain social interactions in your advantage, having a high tolerance is great. The thing is, you start to lose yourself as an individual, and unless you have a network of good people surrounding you, it's easy to go off the rails.
Nah I just ran out and didn't need them for a while
>As you become tolerant, your baseline for "normal function" lowers, requiring the drug to make you feel "normal"
Isn't this no different then what a child would be coping with since birth?
>It's a pretty strange sensation to feel physical hunger, but not mental hunger, if that makes any sense. You can feel your stomach being empty, but your mind says it's all good. You have to shove up bread in your mouth and force yourself to eat something.
Did your health provider discuss the long term health concerns related to Amphetamines?
you need to a bit more research, buddy. Amphetamine, the chemical in your pills, is only a fraction away from becoming MethAmphetamine, or any of the other Amphetamine members. Amphetamine does help you focus quit significantly, which is why the Nazi SS member were given it for late night treks and marches, as well as the US Air Force and Special Forces, and they still prescribe them to this day for them. But not only does it help you focus, it helps greatly with depression, which is what it orginally was more commonly used for, but since 'depression' is such a vague psychological description for why one might be behaving or feeling, in such a abnormal way, it wasn't sold as a 'depression' drug. It was marketed instead as 'America's Drug' for the fact that it could keep you up all night working 2-3 jobs and with little side effects. It basically went from Military Enhancement drug- to - Workforce Drug to - White Kids in the suburbs cant focus Drug- and now its been demonized because College kids use it. Big Pharma got rich off of it. Just look up Eisenberg the jew who helped Big Pharma advertise it to Doctors to sell. Its a great drug, and it should be readily available for anyone over 21
Because there is one single "correct" path people are supposed to follow. But people are different. If you deviate from that path because it doesn't suit you, you are given drugs to bring you back in line.
"ADHD" is only a problem because society makes it into a problem.
>It's a pretty strange sensation to feel physical hunger, but not mental hunger, if that makes any sense. You can feel your stomach being empty, but your mind says it's all good. You have to shove up bread in your mouth and force yourself to eat something.
Did your health provider discuss the long term health concerns related to Amphetamines?
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>tfw diagnosed with Aspergers but not intelligent and not good at anything.
Science? Forget it. Arithmetic? Forget it. Mathematics? No idea what that is most of the time. IT? Nah.
I'm destined for the gas chambers t b h.
its mostly made up. if a white child wont sit in front of the tv quietly they have "adhd" just an excuse to drug kids so mom can go suck off the town in peace. funny how nigglets lose their mind all day but they dont have it...
>with little side effects
Are these side effects potentially similar to those with meth addictions?
>funny how nigglets lose their mind all day but they dont have it...
Well, I imagine their parents are too poor or incompetent to take them for medical care.
I also wonder if their nigglet problems would be solved if they were on medication.
man you are busy tonight. blacked threads get deleted?
Did I trigger you burger?
The drug can mildly help children cope according to the doctor, and she specializes in children. After your brain fully develops, the game changes apparently.
Yes, but it will rarely actually help you with your life.
Yes, and I've been taking blood pressure tests regularly to make sure my heart can take it. Also, the days when I'm not taking the pills are pretty awful. I only take them during school days, and the difference of drug days and clear days is like the difference between day and night.
I honestly don't know what the big fuss is. I think everybody should be taking these. Well, maybe not everybody, but people who go through screening that they are fit for this stuff. I wish I could get this sensation naturally, but as long as I get shit done I'm going to keep taking these.
Yes, and as I said earlier I went through all kinds of screenings and blood tests to see that I'm fit for it. I also read they don't prescript this stuff to the elderly, so it's not like I'm going to be taking these forever.
Just keep digging, you'll find your thing. I used to hate math, but now I love it. Mostly thanks to my medication that helps me stay focused and interested in things. Sometimes I think math is better than video games.
>Its a great drug, and it should be readily available for anyone over 21
The only people that say this are those that rely on speed to pretend they aren't completely fucking pathetic. They love speed because they are weak and devoid of ambition, and taking this drug makes them able to pretend that are worth something. All you tweakers are so pathetic that words fail me. Fucking kill yourself tweaker scum.
> Also, the days when I'm not taking the pills are pretty awful.
Go on...
> they are weak and devoid of ambition, and taking this drug makes them able to pretend that are worth something.
if this drug helps them have some sort of ambition and better their lives then whats wrong with that? Even if it's drug induced ambition and self help.
Personally, I don't think ADHD is made up, but it definitely is overdiagnosed, and in my personal opinion, not a mental illness or disorder at all. It just means you are not wired for the modern concept of what a man is supposed to be. As in siting in the cubicle office, spending most of your time doing mental work, it's something that is unnatural for most humans, not just ADHD riddled individuals. Only difference is normal humans can tolerate that kind of change better. ADHD people are not very good at adapting to it, but they may function perfectly fine is a different setting. Problem is in the way humanity has developed, not those who can't adjust to unrealistic setting that is now the new normal.
When all that stuff has left my body, I feel extremely tired and kinda depressed. Don't feel like doing anything, and can't concentrate on reading or doing homework. It's not that you turn dumb or anything like that, you just can't care about things anymore. Simple math problems? Fuck that shit, it's time stare at walls.
That's why I do my homework as soon as possible so that I don't have to deal with math shit on drug free weekends.
>Don't feel like doing anything, and can't concentrate on reading or doing homework.
Is this not how you felt before you started on ADHD medication?
Who here /dextro-amphetamine/?
You don't know how much modafinil is working for someone like me who is a poorfag in this country.Middle class here can't afford world class psychiatry or tests on why there are people struggling in their classes, lack of curiosity in this subject has made Asians prone to cheating ,because if I can't get a Web dev job I will be fucked, and I have that ADHD shit, I just can't do things, Modafinil is the only thing that helps me with it.
Is it safe to consume Moda? Any long term users or medi anons?
>Tfw aphetimemes literally make you go to sleep occasionally
I take them and accomplish nothing. Why me?
Sure, but the feeling is even worse once you know how it feels to be concentrated. Back before medication I didn't really know what was wrong with me, but now I know for sure.
>Modafinil
The use of modafinil to treat ADHD is nothing more then a placebo btw user.
JP?
Because of the way our education system works and the way a lot of our job market looks like.
It is pretty fucking hard to really mentally focus on something for 8 hours straight. I can perform physical work for 8 hours no problem. It's taxing and by the end of the day I'll feel exhausted, but most of those jobs have a lot of parts where you can let muscle memory take over and let your mind wander a bit. I can even drive to work and then suddenly wonder how I got onto my company's parking lot because I was thinking about something else.
On top of that you'll have periods of higher and lower physical demand.
I cannot mentally focus for 8 hours straight. If you ask me to sit down and work on some mentally taxing task it will take maybe 2 hours before I hit my limit and feel my mind drifting.
I don't think that has anything to do with some kind of disease, it is just that it's very hard to keep your full mental capacity focused on a single topic for such a long time.
>For ADHD id usually does not do it.
This pretty much. Even if there are medical reasons for why they have a lower attention span then others, it usually does not impair their ability to enjoy life much.
What it does impair is their parent's (or society's) wishes what their life should look like. The parents want a smart kid that will eventually do better than them, and if they need to pump it full of drugs for that, so be it. Apparently still better than having a kid which is happy but ends up in a job it finds interesting enough to focus on it, but with low social standing.
>Why does the west tend to have such a bad problem with ADHD?
The West has enormous material wealth and that's all it has. Nothing else. Westerners don't have communities to which they belong, they don't have close friends to whom they can confide in, they don't have a purpose in life besides making money and buying shit. Also the schools suck. They're boring, the school day is way too long and the kids have way too much homework. This makes for an unstable child. Children are meant to play and exercise not listen to a 50 year old telling them about the Holohoax. What this means is that the average Westerner is constantly ridden with loneliness, anxiety, depression, ADHD and what have you.
>I have never heard of this being a problem in Asian countries or African countries
that's because these people live in tribes and extremely strict about participating in and contributing to the community. But the Japanese and Koreans do still kill themselves because of the As or die system they got going on there.
>kids have way too much homework.
They have nothing compared to the rest of the world.
W-who are you? I don't know anybody from australia.
ever get this book in the mail?
No? I guess I wasn't recognized after all. Posting from phone btw. Same initials though.
well if you're from Pori and knew an Aussie who went out with SM that would settle it.
regardless, im sorry your summer is almost over.
Physical labor > (((homework)))
What does it matter if its real or not 98% of Australian doctors don't believe in adult adhd and i live in a town with 10000 people and. Next to impossible for adults to be diagnosed/treated for it
shit schools
i need 2 hours to understand anything.
But only a few minutes for things that are important and useful to me