I thought I'd snoop around far leftist forums and boards to try and get a better understanding of their views/ what they're thinking of certain events.
I found some interesting things, like how they are paranoid about subversion and infiltration much like Sup Forums is and in a certain twist of irony believe it is the far right the is cause much like we claim it's the far left.
On the other end, I realized something. Some of these people were rather well-read and with any point they'd link several books and refer to multiple intellectuals and philosophers. In all fairness people tend to do this when they suspect the person they're arguing with is unfamiliar with them to end the conversation and "win" but it made me realize that Sup Forums hardly ever does this shit at all. I get that leftists have an ass load of "intellectuals" who's works basically amount to vast nothing burgers but in all truth it doesn't seem like Sup Forums has that many written pieces or people to refer to and reinforce their beliefs, or at least actively brings them up. It does indeed, make us seem reactionary and subscribe to any belief to prevent or accomplish a specific interest without actually exploring that belief (IE most people are here out of fear of being demographically replaced).
>TL;DR I got my arguments trashed by people spamming a bunch of books and names because I didn't read them or know who they were talking about.
To fix this, we have to accumulate a list of good Sup Forums reads and Sup Forums people and all you lazy reactionary faggots need to get reading.
Yeah it's not the 30s anymore. That ship has long sailed.
Connor Carter
So you got owned in a debate with more researched people and don't like it... Good, don't cry cuz you don't have copy / paste comebacks. They probably wouldn't help you anyways
Adam Davis
> and in a certain twist of irony believe it is the far right the is cause much like we claim it's the far left.
What does this even mean?
>I got my arguments trashed by people spamming a bunch of books and names because I didn't read them or know who they were talking about.
That's why they are spamming them, retard. It's a debate technique. Demand that they cite any arguments with their own words.
Asher Roberts
>refer to multiple intellectuals and philosophers. but what if you didnt get you point/belief from a book? how do you source organic thought?
Robert White
Which books and names? Fake and gay shillpost without specifics
Adam Bennett
>[snoop around leftypol] some of these people were rather well-read Surely you mean 'rather well red'
Ian Morales
Because you'll get wrecked like me if you try to win that way. Sup Forums likes to talk about how these people are useful idiots who just take on stupid emotional driven world views rather than actually learn about it. Then we just go around shitposting and memeing. How do you know we aren't also "useful idiots" for something?
Yeah, on one hand they seemed really fixated on things that happened nearly 60 years ago. It was like a time capsule at certain points.
>What does this even mean Sup Forums says that the establishment is full of cucked leftists who seek to destroy national identity at the behest of Jewish supremacists, These other guys think it's the KKK and facists that are in control.
They basically think every antifa that was arrested at the last Berkley protest was unlawfully targeted and that white supremacists are given a light slap on the wrist as evidence. Though to be fair 90% of their backing to this claim was shit from over 30 years ago.
Michael Nelson
>Some of these people were rather well-read and with any point they'd link several books and refer to multiple intellectuals and philosophers.
LOL nerd shit. You gotta understand that if your point cannot be backed up with common sense, it's likely not true. Con artists will list off tons of sources and other bullshit just to try to trick you.
I can link them, but I didn't want to reveal to "them" that I was there since they're probably here.
This was a response to a claim that modern academia was saturated by Marxism in attempt to explain to them that communism isn't nearly as shut down and persecuted as far right beliefs in the MODERN demographic.
>I don't know why people say this. What Marxist ideas? Mainstream economics is about as anti-Marxist as a discipline can be and just about no one in sociology is making a name in conflict theory anymore. There's only a handful of Marxist thinkers in academia that I can think of. Are you confusing Marxism with post-structuralism? Or deconstruction? Or postmodernism in general? Or is anything even remotely influenced by Marx impure for you, in which case we should throw out Joseph Schumpeter, John Dewey, Piero Sraffa and anyone in their intellectual lineages, given they have the same (or more!) intellectual proximity to Marx as Judith Butler, Jacques Derrida, or Michel Foucault?
Chase Bell
>KKK control the government >nigger president
Kayden Barnes
Look at all those name drops, I have no idea who those people are. I have no way of responding. He has me because all Sup Forums has ever said was that schools were Marxist and never went into detail.
I have an idea of what it is, all those "History of black feminists" and "Cultural classes" have all these anti-cultural identity ideas that Sup Forums states are frankfertian. I don't know the actual naming conventions, thus I can't refute him without sounding like I'm ignorant of Marx.
Nathan Torres
You're right, I could have said Obama was president. I had a gut feeling they'd find a way to refute that though.
One of their dishonest tactics was they kept lumping together communists and anarchists as the same. We all know Anarchists are hated by everyone and the most watched by any governmental body, but they claim it's because of fascists and anti-communism. It's like how trannys muddle the difference between gender and sex for the maximum victimization.
Lucas Ward
>Are you confusing Marxism with post-structuralism? Or deconstruction? Or postmodernism in general? Let me translate for you:
You just called this a cup, it's clearly not a cup, are you confusing it with a mug, or a goblet, or a chalice, or a grail, or a stein, or cannikin?
I mean ignore the fact that they all contain liquids and you can use them to drink, you must be confused.
Austin Martinez
This person is trying to discredit your point by defining Marxism as narrowly as possible. The namedrops are red herrings intended to send you off into the weeds. He can come back and argue that he meant anything by those sentences. (Of those I've only heard of Derrida and Foucault, but their ideas are squarely in the commie trash pile.) Read the definition of postmodernism on Wikipedia. It's practically a restatement of Marxist dialectics. The leftists, some stupidly, some willfully, will try to argue that these two schools of thought, which do not differ at all in substance, are two completely separate things.
Parker Myers
If you get rekt by fucking lefties, that's pretty embarrassing.
The only arguments they can possibly bring are correlation/causation fallacies.
Saying "x said y" isn't an argument.
Lincoln Martin
So basically, My suspicion they were just trying to shut me down by sending me on a wild goose chase was correct? I'll try to accumulate some of their book links but some of the websites look like they're commie blogs that need archiving. Also they mostly seem to focus on shit that happened a long time ago despite the insistence that once I read them I'll understand why they are the victims.
Xavier Myers
Most of the right's arguments are based on statistics, objective facts, empirical evidence, and rational deductive thought processes.
I don't need a philosopher to tell me something that the sky is blue. I can figure out truth on my own.
Conversely, if you want to ignore truth and reality, you need mental gymnastics and postmodernism. it's generally easier to simply regurgitate someone else's thoughts in this field than to have an original thought.
Brandon Hall
Yes, their arguments pretty much amount to "This isn't communism, its gommunism totally different."
Thomas Rivera
Sup Forums isn't influenced by reading books. Remember, the Nazis were anti-intellectuals who burned books.
Sup Forums is influenced by a blind, burning hatred of the Left, because the libtard SJWs hurt their fee-fees by asking them to use some new pronouns.
Once I realized this, I stopped hating you guys and started pitying you.
Aaron Fisher
books are for faggots and kikes
Aaron Baker
Dude people on Sup Forums refused to listen to a song if it doesn't fits their world view, I wonder how do you expect to make them read a book.
Zachary Cruz
>Remember, the Nazis were anti-intellectuals who burned books. They burned books which supported degeneracy, i.e. primarily jewish books.
>Sup Forums is influenced by a blind, burning hatred of the Left, because the libtard SJWs hurt their fee-fees by asking them to use some new pronouns. Typical leftist projection. They always accuse you of what they know themselves to be guilty of.
Kevin Sanders
What about information on things like Fascism, National Socialism, libertarianism and basic Nationalism? Wouldn't it be useful for certain posters who champion those things to spread that information around?
Ryder Thomas
Why throw books at you when we can throw easy to read infographics with linked sources at you? Do you not like infographics?
Elijah King
Being opposed to communists doesn't make you a Fascist. Most of Sup Forums are ironically Nazis. The main thing which brings us all together is opposition to the red menace.
Asher Taylor
underrated
Ayden Gray
It is. Sup Forums used to be full of anons, if not spouting intelligent arguments, at least spouting new arguments and creating new content. Since the influx of new people since a couple years or so ago it's just the same rehashing of the same old posts. Sup Forums's "intellectually" dead
Cooper Harris
>Some of these people were rather well-read and with any point they'd link several books and refer to multiple intellectuals and philosophers.
People don't do this in normal conversations or on Sup Forums because people realize that no one has time go go read a dozen books on a subject you are casually debating on the internet. Asking someone to spend a huge amount of time on something just to continue the debate is intellectually dishonest and poor debate technique. Only people who want to seem 2smart4u do this kind of shit, people who actually want to have a decent debate or convince the other person of their argument will try to find snippets or short articles to post instead of entire books.
tl;dr: you're arguing with a bunch of elitist circlejerkers who don't care about debate, only appearing smart or "winning".
Dylan Murphy
>Do you not like infographics They're fine, but I always felt they were easier for people to denounce because unlike a link you have to tediously type in the address yourself meaning people will be less likely to check the sources. People who know this can then make bullshit graphics to bait.
For example, the dick size info graph that arbitrarily namedrop Women's Health without a source that people keep falling for/
That's a bit dishonest though, because what if all those things actually have benefits or downsides? What if Sup Forums takes the irony too far and ends up supporting fascist regime? If it's good and everything they wanted then they got lucky, but if it's bad then all the commies will just laugh at us for being "useful idiots" like we call them for subscribing to beliefs that don't actually benefit them.
Dominic Martin
>LOL nerd shit. You gotta understand that if your point cannot be backed up with common sense
Spoken like a true retard.
Tyler Martin
>i can't understand subtle but significant differences. >obviously the ebil communists are just trying to confuse me HURR
Alexander Brown
Pseudo intillectuslism.
The left has largely censored any right wing ideology or philosophy.
So in most cases to find this kind of thinking you need to find primary sources from the 19th century. Stumble upon the relevant material. Be redoubled and insane enough to understand the value system and culture it was written in.
Then you have to find a group of like minded people in a forum where you can share those ideas. That is not easy.
Reddit for example will ban you for citing the founding fathers or any philosophy of the founders, civic religion, stoicism, etc.
Basically the entire world is an echo chamber and the only thing that can get out because of structural defects and censorship are memes.
Aka propaganda. It's sad really. Such a rich and enlightened history being destroyed for vanity.
Cameron Davis
Referring somebody to a source isn't an argument, it's a deflection. Of course, citing evidence is an exception but when you're discussing ideas and ask a question, and they simply say "just read this entire fucking book", they're not providing anything of value to the discussion and you should discard their opinions immediately.
Gavin Flores
>What if Sup Forums takes the irony too far and ends up supporting fascist regime?
That's just it, communism is so terrible that even a fascist regime would be preferable. This was official US policy during the Cold War. They routinely toppled socialist and communist governments and replaced them with tinpot dictators.
Fascism may be bad, but it deserves community service compared to the death sentence communism deserves
Parker Morgan
In other words, they're too lazy or ineot to discuss ideas and instead rely on others to "educate and inform" you.
Jordan Rodriguez
That's not a dragon, it's a wyvern. I mean they are both giant lizards which fly and breath fire but they are totally different.
William Cox
Libertarians are the right wing version of useful idiots.
Robert Anderson
>they'd link several books and refer to multiple intellectuals and philosophers.
There's their problem right there. We don't link books and opinions. We link sources and statistics. They live in a fantasy land. We live in the real world.
Thomas Martinez
That's not fascism, it's communism. I mean they are both authoritarian and are for the people but they are totally different.
Gabriel Cruz
> tfw too smart to read (((books)))
Michael Garcia
>tl;dr: you're arguing with a bunch of elitist circlejerkers who don't care about debate, only appearing smart or "winning". /thread
William Gonzalez
>how do you know we aren't useful idiots for something? Because our ideas tend to manifest towards liberty and individualism, whereas communist ideas always manifest towards authoritarianism and the suppression of liberty.
Brody Jenkins
Telegram (if you use it) has a library called @Iron_Link with any relevant study on race an economics you could wish for.
Liam Davis
lol, the right has been using the "Nazis are socialists" argument for a long time now. Nice try though.
Leo Sanders
nigger there's tons of Sup Forums-approved reading lists, but the problem with citationfests is that nobody fucking reads them. People spam that shit to distract you, not discuss the meat of arguments because they don't have any
books are good, but it is better to discuss the matter directly instead of citation games. anybody citing anything means they've probably read it, so why bother citing when you can just say what's relevant right in your fucking face
Joseph Bailey
>far leftist forums and boards Could you link them?
Adam Cruz
There are few modern right-wing intellectuals. The only people that we can point to are fairly easily debunked ancient sources like Aristotle and Marcus Aurelius. We don't need some limp dick Marxist NEET living in his mother's basement during the 19th century to tell us how to win a culture war. Communism failed due to reality ruining its formalised and intellectual coherent development.
Juan Price
>literally agreeing with my point undercutting his whole argument subtle significant differences you retarded nigger
Grayson Cox
No, but I'll give you a hint. What is Adolf Hitlers birthday?
Isaiah Murphy
Read the third globalization.
anything about Taiwan, Ireland or Israel is good reading.
Leo Hughes
>look at all this sophistry clearly their logic is superior
Jordan Young
Fascist, nazis and communists are all bad. We defeated the fascists and nazis 80 years ago, now we have to crush the communist infiltrators. Your point undercut nothing.
Zachary Gray
It's a trilby not a fedora... however, that's irrelevant to my criticism of you.
Cooper Jenkins
It's an appeal to "authority"; it's a fallacy.
Kayden Bennett
cheers
Jayden Garcia
>I read a book therefore my opinion is valid
Really because I just used the whole of mans knowledge called the internet that says you're a faggot.
Jayden Gomez
>evil people bad your logic is gay and ineffective FTFY
>person who never read any of the relevant material is the ultimate objective arbiter over how similar they all are
Carter Powell
NO! The posts here give me life. I bet some of you could write a good book desu
Gavin Davis
You can't expect everyone to know that. If it was an ineffective fallacy it wouldn't be used so often
Chase Ward
>I got my arguments trashed by people spamming a bunch of books and names because I didn't read them or know who they were talking about. >To fix this, we have to accumulate a list of good Sup Forums reads and Sup Forums people and all you lazy reactionary faggots need to get reading. You would've known if you would've lurked more being a newfaggot fresh off the boat from reddit doesnt help. So get reading you nigger and drop the leddit spacing.
Ian Martin
You are a communist and we aren't going to argue with you we are just going to bury you.
citing philosophers & scholars is what someone who just picked up a book does, later you synthesize all that knowledge and make your own arguments
Logan Jenkins
ain't clicking that shit nigga
Tyler Jones
>Newfag I've used Sup Forums since the SOPA scare first emerged. Doesn't mean I haven't been terrible in reading Sup Forums links though. Remember this is more of a news board than something that goes into deep discussion. I guess happening addiction won out in the end.
Bentley Garcia
Sup Forums's dead anyways. There's nothing worth saving.
>your arguments offend me, where's my safe space?! Stop LARPing nigger and practice what you preach
Nathaniel Gomez
Leftypol is much smaller and retards who don't read theory post less Our side has well read people they're just scarce among all the entry-level shitposters
Julian Perez
Always define your terms before engaging in debate, this makes it easier for all involved. The person who replied to you is correct to the extent that say postmodernism isn't actually Marxism. If instead you had attacked the assumptions that in fact underlie all of these philosophies (e.g. "modern academia is saturated by fundamentally liberal notions like egalitarianism, individualism, etc") then your case would have held much better against such a comment.
You're learning, which is good. Don't hesitate to read your enemies works, but be selective since a lot of their literature is a waste of time.
Caleb Wood
damn, I'm gonna overdose
Cameron Richardson
Fuck off lefty pol.
Jason Russell
Are you retarded for leddit kekistani faggots there is like a lifetime worth of books to read in there. And then they ask us why we need the swastikas,its to fend of retarded normalfaggs that are in it for the laughs and refuse to read or do shit.
Luke Murphy
Don't worry, you'll get your free helicopter ride.
Jayden Walker
Just like the race war right? :^) I'll just wait until the Alt-right shoots itself in the foot again like in Charletsville then we'll be giving you the helicopter rides.
Have a nice day you white trash nigger
Daniel Harris
You can cite a thousand Marxist books, the fact that there have been no successful communist countries tells me that books don't mean shit. It's just a fancy drawn out way to shitpost.
Parker Rogers
No this is more of whatever the fuck board you want to be.You used to be able to find some of the deepest and most autistically interesting discussions on the interenet here.If you really were an oldfagg then you would know that any Sup Forums user will be a newfagg forever.
Cameron Martin
lol I'm not even white. You don't realize how many enemies you've made. You will turn the whole world against you.
Evan Allen
This, if they really had such a deep understanding of the authors they're referencing they'd be able to operationalize that knowledge into a specific and concise refutation of whatever point you're making
Liam White
Explain the technological advantage of the Axis forces if they were so anti-science.
Lucas Ross
I wouldn't ask advice from people literally praising a cartoon frog and calling transexuals redpilled.
Andrew Diaz
>asks Sup Forums for books to read >is so new that he's never seen a Sup Forums reading list thread
Robert Hernandez
tl;dr
>I don't know why people say this. But here is a list of opinionated authors who agree with my argument
Adrian Martin
...
Hunter Gray
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Camden Hernandez
FYI, 70% of shill threads are pol regulars trolling you newfags, because you are too easy.
Also, read some books fagget. There's plenty of right wing book lists.
Luke Mitchell
nice!
Brayden Harris
OP here, My computer just shut down abruptly. Either coincidence or I made a grave mistake telling that britbong the forum I was arguing on.
They would be insane enough to attack me over this thread. If I don't make it out of this tell Sup Forums I loved them.
Easton Miller
It's good training too. Like newfag bootcamp.
Matthew Mitchell
>no mention of Mein Kampf
Eli Stewart
Could you link to the general forum? I do not care about your thread.
Adam Cook
I gave a hint already.
Xavier Miller
Commies/postmodernist are deluded.
>They want to trap you in their intellectual framework. >They want you to use their words. Eventually you will fall in their trap of cognitive disonance. >Big chunks of text of literally NOTHING. >They can't deffend arguments in plain english. and short sentences.
It's like muslims with the koran.
Carter Powell
Speaking of Muslims. There was one thread where some guy was trying to rationalize why people resort to tribalism. None of it really seemed political biased as far as I could tell. Someone mentioned muslims and other people posted run-of-the-mill defense posts. Someone was clearly trying to call Wahhabism a branch of islam in an effort to define islam as being a broad range of belief.
I countered it by pointing out that unlike Christianity, Islam is not very diverse in thinking. I made the mistake of making a point out of the two mainstream denominations of islam and they linked somewhere around 13. I started reading the list and found that these differences were all very arbitrary and none focused on interpretation of the Koran. Rather, they focused on differences outside of the Koran (Imams vs. Caliphs). It seems I was actually right, their diversity of thought was negligible. They were hiding behind naming conventions to maintain the illusion of diversity so they could say "not all muslims".
Matthew Thompson
Well, just give the website or you are lying. Nobody is going to care if you frequent Sup Forums. Besides, nothing comes up if you look up 1889.
Luke Barnes
kys worthless nerdfag
Luke Gray
i'll take your pity, fucking shill. and fuck off
t. reads books
Leo Gonzalez
Not the year, the day you retard.
Benjamin Diaz
This time next when, I think a very important lesson will have been taught and learned.
Bullies will not be tolerated. They are bad examples for any and all society.
