MGTOW

Will MGTOW movement collapse feminism?
Also what Sup Forums thinks about MGTOW?

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its retarded

Unless you can go MGTOW on your taxes, and keep women from voting men's collective wealth and resources away, including our landmass to shitskins, then no.

>MGTOW
but keep an open mind

Feminist or tradcuck?

MGTOW is the atheism of having opinion on having relationships

The MGTOW movement is an excuse for unattractive men to justify their loneliness.

Besides what's the difference between making the personal choice to go MGTOW and globohomo, corporatist, feminist policy, coupled with unfettered migration and invasion turning yoi into a socially INCEL? You could afford to go MGTOW because women will just fuck your wallet and asylum seeker Achmed's dick.

MGTOW is fucking retarded.

Thanks for voluntarily taking yourself out of the gene pool; yeah, don't bother actually improving yourself physically and working on your personality!

Good goy

Sincerely,
Chad

Most MGTOWs tend to be unbelievably autistic and insufferable. They say that women are nothing but a bunch of whores who want their money when the only good thing about them is that they MAY have money.

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The memes they inspire might collapse feminism if not the men

It's obviously not retarded when there is perpetual consternation over nothing but an individual man's personal choices in life.

There's less concern about the impact of autism on society, which is indeed far more significant.

Most MGTOWs are older men who have kids and got fucked over by the (((legal system))). The jews own the legal system as well as the banking system. Getting married is getting forever tied to their system.

Recognising this and refusing to get cucked like that is redpilled

>Unless you can go MGTOW on your taxes

I definitely nominate mgtow threads as one of the top three worse threads on Sup Forums.
Fucking nu/pol/ , /r9gay/ hybrid cancer should off yourselves

no because not all men know how to put women in their place

In EVERY MGTOW thread you get the same discourse:

1) Inexperienced but horny kiddos think every guy just want to fuck anything that moves and the entirety of social interaction revolves around fucking and MGTOWs are fat autistic virgin neckbeards who can't get laid.

2) Actual MGTOWs who are experienced grown men who are warning about the dangers of women + the state vs you, and how you can be easily taken for all you've got.

3) The "Yes, thats right goy - dont reproduce" jew shills - yes JEW SHILLS. The thing (((they))) want you to do is YES reproduce children to a raving tinder psycho / bar slut who will NEVER grow up and you will be raising her as well as your kids until she bails on you and takes half your shit after dragging you through divorce court.

The jew agenda is NOT to stop whites reproducing, its to produce a WEAKER generation with poor parents so the state can become the new parents. No reproduction means no goy-cows for milking. Why the fuck would (((they))) not want a new generation of tax-slaves? (((They))) own the banking system AND the law courts / judicial process.

(((The agenda))) is all about making money from broken individuals from broken families - NOT stopping reproducing.

MGTOW is redpilled because its men refusing to get fucked over by the jew system - and (((they))) are worried. (((They))) are worried that (((they))) have pushed the feminist "high maintenance woman" meme too far and thought men would become pussyfied slaves to nagging bitches and never thought men would just go their own way.

MGTOW = CULTURAL MARXISM

MGTOW = ANTI-WHITE

MGTOW = NEET LOSERS

MGTOW = JEWISH AS FUCK!

MGTOW = CIAlt-Right gay agenda

MGTOW is merely a logical reaction to the current state of the sexual market.
That said, it won't stop feminism, it won't save the white race, it won't do shit except help men realize that the current situation is unfair and untenable. That realization should inspire most men to make efforts in society to rectify what's gone wrong.
MGTOW is a mental state nothing more, and any faggots who say otherwise or try to push it as anything else are retarded.

You guys sound nervous that men can manage without getting permanently tied to (((the system))).

MGTOW would NOT be a jewish plot if it means avoiding getting tied to their system and producing a new generation of goy cows for them to brainwash and milk

Here you go.
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what if I'm complete trash of a human being is it ok then

MGTOW = CULTURAL MARXISM and you're not fooling anyone with your gay agenda

>plebit spacing
>nervous about faggots who feel the need to tell the world 'we strong we don't need no woman'
you guys are just the male version of Jewish indoctrinated feminists and betas who can't subjugate any woman of any race
>nervous
Good one beta faggot

most MGTOW are older men who have kids and got fucked over by the legal system because they settled for a low value woman
because they were more scared of not settling at all which is what any normal person would failing to find a suitable partner for himself
and also because they are most likely low value themselves considering how terrible they are at maintaining relationships and picking up clues and not letting things go out of hand in general

It didn't occur to them that they could just not settle for a shit tier woman until after they got their entire life ruined
so now they assume this "new discovery" as their identity and circle-jerk about it 24/7 on online forums talking about they are not dating women, how women are evil and other activities centered around women

Its the white knight problem thats creating these psycho women. Women are surrounded by these mal-developed horny kiddos (of any age) who just worship the ground women walk on and convince them that they are desirable - so these women never have to develop a pleasant attitude because there will always be "men" to lavish attention on them. These "men" are mal-developed children who these women are spending most of their time with, so then comes the inevitable question, "where are all the real men?" This question stems from the calibre of individual women are spending time with - the white knight.

These "men" are in this thread, shocked that men can go their own way and do their own thing, better themselves, develop businesses and learn new skills, lift, exercise, cook and all this other shit instead of chasing after women.

Look at the "men" around you who have wives or girlfriends. Are they happy or depressed? Are they healthy or ill looking? Are they wealthy or poor? Are they doing what they want or are they being led by the dick?

Not being MGTOW is the epitome of cucked

This. The only thing that will definitively destroy feminism is when social support systems go bankrupt and women don't have free healthcare and police protection and welfare for single moms.

Until then you mitigate the damage by maintaining high standards for mate selection, not refusing to participate in mate selection. Reminding sluts and careergirls of the approaching wall is also helpful. The Chinese have a whole national holiday dedicated to shaming aging single women.

I think if you need to use
>plebit spacing
as a counter, you've already lost the argument.

I don't give two shits about "spacing"

"The white knight"

>muh magicall buzzword that allows me to dispel and arguent just by saying it

what argument am I dispelling?
I replied to myself you dumb fuck

>2017
>still thinking women are capable of happiness
You can't make a woman happy, it's physically impossible. Since women are all miserable, they make everyone around them miserable. Women are also insane, so they do the same thing repeatedly and expect different results. If you think pussy is worth your happiness, then women are for you.

>Will MGTOW movement collapse feminism?
Feminists not reproducing will collapse feminism.

Also, those guys in the pic are LITERALLY white knighting. I mean, that's actual proof of the action of white knighting.

I think giving a name to it is dumb. Nobody falls for the marriage scam anymore. I'm 30 and none of my friends or myself are married.
This MGTOW thing is already moving into the workforce too, many guys are not seeing it worth while to slave for some company. You can live in comfort working part time.

Whatever man. White men without children are the biggest losers.

Children growing up without a functioning family structure become sjw's whores and criminals.

classic divide and conquer, same as pretty much every other "movement" going on right now

>le mgtow stops you from reproducing
>he still doesn't know that artificial wombs are technologically not far away

YES

a lifetime of intellectual stimulation beat out by an 80 arnold movie

>counter
Counter what. Some butthurt faggots who feel compelled to circle jerk each other. You actually think this faggot shit deserves an actual reply, much less an argument.
You're a little bitch, plain and simple

what MGTOW shitters fail to relize good women are as rare as diamonds and running a happy and running healthy family doesn't require less time and energy and dedication than running a business
the one signle argument against mgtow is showing them a happily married couple but they will pretend they doesn't exist because otherwise their entire worldview would crumble onto itself

You've literally made ZERO points to support your argument or prove mine wrong.

I just realized some this, spot on

>Will MGTOW movement collapse feminism?
>Will the Shakers movement collapse Christianity?

Men can't be "happily married". Its a complete fallacy in the modern world because.................for men.....................THEIR WHOLE LIFE IS BEING HELD HOSTAGE.

The legal system always supports the women. Men have to maintain the upkeep of these modern "high maintenance" women or lose EVERYFUCKINGTHING.

And (((who))) do you think brainwashes women into high maintenance lifestyles they or their man can't afford? Yeah, that's right.

Oh, but MGTOW is a jewish plot is it? How the fuck does that work, you dumb cunts

Marriage is a religious ceremony, so if you ignore the lack of trust argument, how do you convince non-religious men to take the vows in a church?

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thank you for demonstrating my point

>Marriage is a religious ceremony,
Its supposed to be and it was once upon a time, but in the modern world, marriage is a contract between the couple and the state. The contract guarantees the man will maintain the woman if they separate.

and divorce is NOT a religious ceremony.

As for your actual question:
>how do you convince non-religious men to take the vows in a church?
I can't answer that.
I guess they do even if they are not religious and can afford to hire out a church

demonstrate to me that marriage is in any way beneficial for men.

I think only a retard would agree to that contract. This is why I don't feel sorry for men who lose everything to divorce rape, what did you expect was going to happen.

>what are the benefits of having a loving wife and familly, gee I wonder

though I can undertand why would someone live the "MGTOW lifestyle"
but MGTOW itself is some nongolfer bullshit
find a real hobby

MGTOW doesn't aid to destroy feminism because that's impossible because feminism is based on women's nature.
MGTOW aids to help men to avoid women's manipulations and become self-sufficient individualists.

true.
Theres no excuse these days to be surprised by divorce rape

Married men make more money over time, have sex more frequently, live longer lives, are healthier during their life, and have less incidents of suicide, depression, and addiction.
The same holds true for married women. The problem isn't marriage, it is what feminism in the 20th century had done to marriage that's the issue.

>some nongolfer bullshit
I don't know what this means.

Women don't love their men. They love what their men can get them - materially. Women don't even speak well of their men. They have been brainwashed into believing they are hard done by and deserve more and their man is useless untill he gets her more - which will never happen because there is always "more". Thats modern advertising and (((TV))) shows advertising lifestyles to them.

Also, women are biologically predisposed to have multiple guys on the hook in case their relationship fucks up - which it will, so they have a backup. Its a survival instinct.

Its just your turn.

I somehow managed to get a qt gf by being MGTOW and not caring one bit. It's weird but not unwelcome. I think the core message that betas should take from MGTOW is to not make getting bitches and pussy the center of your life. Make them come to you and don't dedicate yourself to bring some chick's boy slave. It's more than pathetic and hurts your self esteem and the way that others see you. Not reproducing is retarded though. Get a prenup or if you really can't get married for whatever reason, donate to a sperm bank. Get paid to masturbate on your freetime and spread your genes.

>make more money over time
True, because they have a nagging bitch to please. All my married male clients I work for are impossible. They are penny pinching and can never comprimise. I can't work with them. Single guys are easy to work with.

>have sex more frequently
this is famously untrue. Sex dries up after marriage.

>live longer lives, are healthier during their life, and have less incidents of suicide, depression, and addiction.
This is untrue. They are more depressed and turn to alcohol and if they have daughters, they are more likely to commit suicide or worse, shotgun their family and then themselves. Happens often.

>The problem isn't marriage, it is what feminism in the 20th century had done to marriage that's the issue.
I agree with this

Prenup isn't a magic paper to protect you, she can fake a domestic violence charge against you and have the prenup thrown out. Tons of divorced men can tell you all about the prenup being pointless.

More pathetic than a literal cuck

Have cameras set up in the house to "watch the children and/or pets when either of you are away".

Sex robots will collapse feminism. No feminist can compete with one, let alone a real women who's good, and kind, and virtuous. It's no wonder feminists have such rabid hatred for both.

The high value men will marry the good girls, the low value ones will get the robots, and the feminists will be left with nothing. They'll be society's new undesirables.

Its true being MGTOW and genuinely not giving a fuck about women creates aura that women pick up on and start coming on to you. You start developing your life in other ways and women want in on that.

Prenups arent worth a damn these days tho.

and you can even get cucked into paying child support if you donate to a sperm bank and have never met the kid. Seen it happen in the US

I don't undestand this kind of sentiment at all
you realize you can talk to these woman about ideas and concerns
you're not just randomly assigned a woman you have to be for the rest of your life
if she's not right for you then why waste time with her

and nongolfer means exactly what you think it means
someone who doesn't play golf

that's not MGTOW that's called being normal

Womens culture is all pervasive. I know everyone is an individual and yes, some women have avoided the brainwashing, but most will watch TV and be influenced by it (or their friends watch it and convince them of the message which is a worse way for them to go) and you or I will never be more influential than the TV

Sexbots are too expensive and would be embarrassing if someone finds it in your house. I see a bigger future in VR + sextoys.

this

the "stonk womyn" myth needs to come crashing down in fire and brimstone.

Cunts have a massive entitlement complex because they NEVER have to work hard for themselves, they always rely on the govt to come and give them everything they think they're entitled to.

Thats also why as much as I love the US. I sincerely hope a war kicks off somewhere and when women go into combat i hope many of them die awful deaths.

Maybe that will show the world once and for all how women always fuck shit up.

The only caveat to this, is that the men in infantry units will instinctually attempt to save the female soldiers and possibly die in the process.

Tldr: disregard females aquire currency.

then don't waste your time with her?
why do you dedicate so much of your time and energy talking about women you don't want to date
just stop
it's neither healthy for your psyche nor productive in any way

What good is a war when all the laws are still the same after the war ends. Nothing will change from a war.

because the white knights need to recognise what they are doing - white knighting and creating these psychos with no healthy personality.

Also warning young guys about the dangers of marriage and even dating in the modern world.

Women are not healthy for my psyche and since avoiding them I have been far happier

well, i was in the military. Id might go back in if it werent for women desu. They have absolutelt no place in the military.

I will 100% never take orders from a woman.

Better to be MGTOW than to stick your dick in crazy. Better by far to be MGTOW than to father a child with crazy. Crazy mothers drive children crazy, too.

>Sexbots are too expensive
Not forever. There's a huge race to see who can make the first mass-market one.

>would be embarrassing if someone finds it in your house
True, but I was talking more about the future. When they're indistinguishable from actual women. They walk, they talk, they do the dishes. Real, good, chaste women will always be better, but for guys who can't get them I don't think they'll be embarrassed to have a robot.

I'm happy with my cat thank you.

Handling the developement of human embryo into a baby through artificial means is one issue.

But a completely other scale of a problem is proper child rearing when either there are no parents present or just one. Baby will fucking DIE if there is little to no contact with a human, even if all the other needs were to be provided via machines.

I have a relationship with a woman who doesn't want to marry or have kids
MGTOW is super gay

I'm picturing a sex doll with an AI, not a robot to do my laundry. I see the sexbot thing being a small taboo group, where the majority of guys watch porn on VR and buy fleshlight type toys. The emotional highschool-drama just isn't worth the headache for a lot of people.

Exactly. Anyone can have children. Womens culture make women crazy and raising a child with a crazy woman isn't a good thing.

This will not stay that way for long. There will be a time where she'll start getting baby rabies

Shes just saying that so you don't disappear. She's plotting when and how to "forget" to take the pill or sabotage the condom to get pregnant, then she has you.

You're getting cucked and you don't even know it. This is precisely the problem

Dislike. I want a husband I can give my life too and kids. MGTOW destroys that

>Conforming to social rules is what MGTOWers consider 'bluepilled' now

There are danger-haired hambeasts who believe similar load of crock, albeit from their gender's perspective. Maybe them and MGTOWers should make up an make out? :^)

Why dont we just encourage men to not pay taxes?
Its not like we get anything back from them
No taxation without representation cunts and shitskins

those social norms are heavily stacked against men in the modern world and are bluepilled if the man is unaware of that and blunders into a situation beyond his control.

In the past they were normal

Go for younger women you guys. I mentioned Plato's Republic to the girl I was sitting next to in philosophy class (Babies first Plato) and she thought I was the next Tesla.

She is probobly like 19 tops, and I"m 26. Gonna really like college desu :DDDDDD

Feminism destroyed the nuclear family not MGTOW.

I can't tell if you are being genuine or if you've just figured out what the "correct" thing to say is and said it.

Women manipulate and have no idea they are manipulating.

Oh I know. I'm just saying mgtow would really put the nail in the coffin
Nah I just know what I want, and it's not some "empowering" career, it's a family with work on the side.

>to justify their loneliness
What the fuck am i reading?

What's preventing you from getting it? I doubt you would want to marry any MGTOWs in the first place, so it's not them.

the nuclear family wasn't even that great it cause a lot of people to have stunted psyches and huge incestuous thoughts.

THE TIME OF FEMALES HAS COME TO AN END

Mgtows aren't going to cheat on you and they are working on themselves to become better men.

If a woman can convince a mgtow to go on a date and win them over and change their mind, they'll have a loyal partner for life.

Just don't fuck it up

Some people think single guys are lonely. Tinder is the cure for that.

"The tribe days" paragraph is also a load of pseudointellectual garbage masquerading as 'enlightenment'.
That tribal stage consisted chiefly of matriarchal systems where child-rearing of boys and girls was separated as soon as they could walk by themselves. Gaze upon urban ghettoes of blacks which are the echo of this stage - notice how fatherless blacks are essentially governed by their mothers and grandmothers - all while black males are pretty much MGTOW-compliant when it comes to maintaining lasting relations with women.
This is how that default stage looked like. And both families and marriages were civilizational steps that helped accelerate proper nurturing and education of human offspring beyond what was possible in tribal culture.

"Not reproducing is retarded"

Stopped reading there. If all these dipshit, low IQ, obese, drug addicted individuals could control themselves and stopped to consider that the species could do without their shitty genetics and poor child rearing abilities, we'd all be a lot better off.

And this lizard brain, biological drive you have, the one that convinces you to bust inside some muffin that had 20+ guys in it, to continue your precious bloodline isn't important as you think.

We're not special, human beings, women included are a disease.

>32
>celibate by choice
>refuse to play the game or get involved with anyone at all because I see the futility of mankind.

Go fuck yourself.

Good luck losing your house and half your income to a roastie who chose Tyrone.

It's already happening. The constant harping of women dying alone because of their refusal to assume their intended gender role of being subservient to men, getting used by Chads and even fucking normies and promptly discarded (destroying their self-worth and rendering them psychologically devastated and fragile), the fact that roasties with lots of cock carousel flyer miles may have jeopardized their pool of backup betas (because no one wants to marry used trash) and are forced to "marry down" (pair up with niggers and other inferior people), the fact that coalburners cannot seem to "marry up" ever again and are reduced to a revolving relationship of inferior men baby daddies who treat them like cumdumps and abandon them and producing litters of bastard babies no one would like to take care of, and all manner of "fuck you" to feminism is destroying feminism.

It's so bad that it has spawned an anti-feminism faction within the female population, and it is exponentially growing. In as early as two generations, Gen Z's anti-feminist women will completely suppress the Millennial feminists socially and politically. And with neither a man to form a family with nor children to carry on their genes with predilection to feminism, as well as the rise of fembots and artificial wombs, feminism will completely die out in less than 200 years. By year 50, many feminists will panic and turn on their own, citing the false promises of feminism, as well as turning on the Jews (as they're the ultimate source for this degeneracy). Of course, you let them destroy each other and finish off the remnants.

But while feminism is being destroyed, one must not also fall for the false promises of MGTOW. After all, MGTOW is also a Jew creation. Use their tools against them, by using it as a threat to feminism and eventually using feminism against (((them))).