>Margot Honecker, former Minister for Education of East Germany, summed up its legacy as: "In this state, each person had a place. All children could attend school free of charge, they received vocational training or studied, and were guaranteed a job after training. Work was more than just a means to earn money. Men and women received equal pay for equal work and performance. Equality for women was not just on paper. Care for children and the elderly was the law. Medical care was free, cultural and leisure activities affordable. Social security was a matter of course. We knew no beggars or homelessness. There was a sense of solidarity. People felt responsible not only for themselves, but worked in various democratic bodies on the basis of common interests."[113]
dont underestimate peoples urge to consume new, flashy and exotic products that can only be produced through globalist and capitalist societies
i mean it was probably the best communist country that ever existed, lots of good things lots of bad things
if the russians wouldnt have raped their industry and tried to infest their culture maybe it would have went better
Nolan Davis
Sounds so awesome brother!
I wonder why there were people willing to risk their lives to get out?
Maybe they were just bad people!
Julian Green
They were less cucked than West Germany eventually they would have to adopt National Communism which eventually leads to ethnic nationalism.
Julian Powell
People risked death, and died, for more consumer goods?
Or did they really not provide education/food/pay/healthcare/childcare etc?
Samuel Campbell
What if they were just degenerates?
Owen Thompson
Mostly because of the oppressive regime but also that
Cooper Brooks
She's right you know.
Samuel Sanchez
>All children could attend school free of charge school which heavily discouraged free thought and was full of propaganda >and were guaranteed a job after training Everyone in the soviet union had a job. People cut down grass and decorative plants by hand instead of using lawnmowers. Wow great job opportunity >Men and women received equal pay for equal work and performance. Equality for women was not just on paper. no different than today >cultural and leisure activities affordable all full with heavy propaganda and indoctrination
I'm not saying it was all shit, but don't let demagogues and liars fool you by showing only the good aspects. If it was that great people wouldn't have been risking their lives daily to flee to West Germany. And no, they didn't risk getting killed just because they wanted to live the "materialistic and decadent Western lifestyle"
Nicholas Carter
communism in general desu. >t. proxyfag bulgarian On the flip side they made some MEAN binoculars, I just bought a DDR made Carl Zeiss Jena Dekarem 10x50 from 1978 and its fucking SICK yo. Pic related
Landon Scott
Their schools were better than the West though at least they celebrated heroes like Florian Geyer,Gerhard von Scharnhorst etc unlike the West who ditched everything with the denazification
Parker Diaz
All these nutcases accusing me of being a commie because I asked clarification of a quote
you faggots are no better than the commies
Logan Edwards
Literally nobody did that except a stupid yank.
Jace Morales
tea when it comes to culture they were probably better off than the de-nazified West Germany. However don't fool yourself: the soviets didn't let them keep their German identity out of love for Germany, but out of necessity of competing with the West
Lincoln Stewart
No one accused you of being a commie. I'm just saying that while there might be some truth in that statement, most is also bullshit.
Tyler Sanchez
>don't let demagogues and liars fool you by showing only the good aspects.
25% of the thread, albeit a thread of 8 people, is still enough to annoy me
Hunter Mitchell
Eventually the DDR would have to ditch Marxist Leninism and go down with National Communism forcing them to rely even more upon Nationalism
Gavin James
It was so great they had to build a wall to keep everyone in and shoot people on site who tried to jump over it
Matthew Butler
Still retained the nice aesthetic
William Kelly
god, can you shut up, you have absolute no idea what you're talking about. No fucking russian satellite state EVER fell for your dumb nazbol meme because after the collapse of the USSR nobody actually wanted fucking communism.
Read a book you fucking imbecile but stop shitting up the thread with your theorethical meme ideology. Fucking cringe.
Liam Gomez
>Ceausescu >Soviet satellite state Average kraut intelligence
Asher Sanders
only if the soviet union greatly weakened, and at that point, reunification with West Germany would have been basically inevitable. Sovites didn't want strong national identity
Joshua Barnes
>Stalinism >Nazbol go play some f2p game or fap to anime, but please stop talking about stuff you dont understand.
Aiden Lopez
Are you legitimately autistic no seriously what the fuck are you even talking about? Fucking deranged kraut
Cameron Ross
What went wrong?
The JEWnited States and the JEWest pulled the transfers of funds and technology that kept the USSR colony/manufactured-enemy alive. The Cold War Thesis-Antithesis process had done it's work, it was time to move to the next phase of the Grand Plan.
Having said that let me say this: East Germany and the USSR made sure all the ethnicities reproduced themselves and were not flooding their people with low-IQ bio-weapons from African, Middle East and Central Asia.
Brayden Gutierrez
Are you saying East Germany survived on USA to Russian bux that were propping up the Cold War?
Lucas Collins
Much of this was actually true, but it's only half the truth. Equal pay sounds nice. But if your stores are empty and you can not buy anything it's worthless. No homelessness sounds nice, but is it much better if your home is a wet shit-hole with a leaky roof. And ending up in jail just for sounding your opinion is also far from utopian.
Tyler Gomez
The other way around. It was JEWestern Democracy that destroyed the identity of West Germans while the Soviet Empire preserved it and nurtured it, it put a little "Red-ism" on top of it but nothing too serious.
Many redpilled people have a very wrong impression about post-Stalin USSR, it was controlled by the Jews ONLY because it was trapped inside the Capitalism-vs-Communism JEWlluminati dialectic and because it's no-private-initiative system was completely dependent on JEWestern technology and finances...as for everything else it was VERY conservative and VERY aligned with what many people on Sup Forums believe.
Pre-Stalin USSR is one thing and post-Stalin USSR is a very different thing.
Camden King
Thats what I'm trying to have revealed.
The quote I quoted seems so utopian, but then people are killing themselves to flee, it can't be true.
Landon Myers
East Germany and all the Soviet Empire and not just money but "factory-floor level technology"
Go to youtube and search "Best Enemies Money can Buy" interview by Antony Sutton (a Conspiracy classic) and go read his books that are available free online.
Cold War was a complete scam.
Thomas Ramirez
>i mean it was probably the best communist country that ever existed, lots of good things lots of bad things
That'd be Jugoslavia, Czechoslovakia or Poland, and that's only by virtue of being the least communist countries of all the communist countries.
Communism was fucking evil, the only "good" thing about Warsaw Pact countries was the fact that their armies were bretty good, but even that is a moot point since the only reason for them to exist was to spread this misery further west.
Isaac Lopez
>Margot Honecker She was a slut and fucked Wolf Biermann. Why should we listen to anything she says?
Levi Brown
That and the fact that due to not accepting the Marshall Plan and the spread of american values nobody can really tell the former states to bend over and accept 500000 goatfuckers and blacks.
Dylan Thompson
Honecker was small time r,eally this was the guy who held everybody by the balls though jobbed fucking hard in the end
Aaron Hernandez
>it's another episode of America forced us to accept refugees starring a faggot German commie sympathizer hiding behind a meme flag
It's all so tiresome.
Joshua Fisher
Yeah but when do we get to eat?
Adam Campbell
>Wow sounds utopian! It sounds so utopian that the socialists had to BUILD A WALL TO STOP PEOPLE FROM LEAVING.
Aiden Bailey
But it's the truth yanks you practically sterilized the European national consciousness you have unitary nation states who act as if they were founded on unexplored lands they seized from some aboriginals, more or less you have cumrags who sit around buy military equipment and mass consume media and goods. East Germany for example was the Eastern blocs military frontier if they launch a attack or get hit by NATO, they need fighters not some low testosterone twinks
Thomas Reed
USSR wasn't controlled by the globalist jews, it's a common misconception resulting from several communist propaganda campaigns.
- jews were actually fairly common among commisars and in the commie judiciaries - later on, some inner party in-fighting resulted in an anti-jew campaign pushing the narrative that stated the jews were infiltrating the Pact and had to be purged (these two factors are the source of the late 20th century anti-semitism in Eastern Europe) - western jews were instrumental when it comes to facilitating the spread of soviet propaganda and cultural marxism in the west, many jews were involved in communist movements even before the USSR became a thing; however, those western jews didn't have any influence on the USSR itself, they were the quintessential "useful fools" that Bezmenov was talking about - read "New Lies for Old" - jewish bankers and globalists didn't control any hi-tech production and finances in the USSR, they were baited into investing there (Lening made them believe the USSR is slowly turning into a capitalist country and there are good shekels to be earned there); everything they built was subsequently nationalised when the party purged the remaining intellectuals sympathising with the west - Stalin's USSR wasn't interested in preserving any identities, it was interested in spreading communism all over the world; all the sudden outbursts of "conservatism", "liberalism" and any other westerner-friendly -ism were essentially propaganda campaigns, because the USSR was a totalitarian shithole and its leadership could basically completely change the narrative on a whim. Yes, nationalism was mixed in at some point, but that's only because Stalin believed it'd help him further his agenda. If he ever changed his mind, well, bye-bye nationalism. Unlike in the 3rd Reich, it was never an integral part of the system.
Gavin Jones
>masonic compass and square
Adam Cook
And in modern Germany they have all of those good things you mentioned (even those that wasn't true) plus well working economy and freedom.
Andrew Ortiz
Same reason that Soviet citizens flooded the streets to overthrow the communist party, only to overwhelmingly vote for the successor communist party in the next election AND same reason most NK immigrants to SK return to the North after a while AND same reason Romanians killed off Ceausescu and got rid of the communists only to have that same population polled respond with 66% would vote for him if he were alive and ran today: people think shit is great on the other side, then they get there and it really isn't. Western propaganda machines are the best.
Adrian Davis
Pretty much this Stalin was at best a Civic Nationalist but he did set the stones for what would later become various forms of National Communism probably much to his own dismay.
Cooper Harris
im pretty sure most people from East Germany were Russian Rapebabbies
Colton Foster
Thats sugar coating it... Everything worked and sort of not >School free Sure, but remember half of semester you'd be brainwashed with mandatory communist propaganda, turned into mindless sheep >Guaranteed job Yeah, you had to be at work, even if you were drunk. But remember you wont get paid for it, there was no money in USSR. Job quality suffers greatly. >Care for the elderly There was no elderly, most of them were killed or died during and after the war >Free medical care If you don't mind waiting 2 years in line, afterwards with a dead drunk doctor operating on you, because he cant take the pressure anymore, because lack of equipment and too many patients >Cultural and leisure activities You had to be in commie party for that, either then only culture you'd experience was singing songs about Red army, Stalin, Lenin and other "heroes". Most leisure would involve who could drink 10 liters of vodka more quickly. >No beggars or homeless Sure, because everyone lived in communal lifeless, temporary built buildings with 27 m2 to family of 4. >People felt responsible Of course if you didn't praise commie party, you were killed or worse your whole family went to gulag.
KYS, you know nothing.
Easton Parker
>Slavo-Germanic hybrid So a Prussian? dohohoho
Jose Bailey
>Prussians are Germano-Polish rapebabies
Noah Bailey
>It's actually true
Adrian Cook
>Communism was fucking evil How the thing what has never existed can be "evil"? It's against any logic.
Benjamin Jackson
What's absolutely hilarious is the fact that both the communista and the nazis basically fucked the international jewry in the ass, milked it of its shekels, jizzed all over its face and told it to fuck off within the span of like 10 years.
The industrialization of the USSR was basically financed by western bankers and corporations. They were told by undercover sovier operatives that the bolsheviks are weak and that the regime change is inevitable if they keep investing in Russia. At one point most of them honestly believed that they shouldn't do anything hostile against the bolsheviks, because it could delay the inevitable anti-communist revolution. Meanwhile, soviet operatives were gathering data on pro-west Russian intellectuals and luring them inside the country. A few years later the newly modernised industry gets nationalised and the intellectuals get scooped up and killed/gulag'd. Fucking masterful.
Hitler was also financed by the western bankers once he became prominent. They basically picked him as "their boy" over the commies. In fact, he appointed Schacht, who was basically a Rothschild puppet, as the president of Reichsbank. German heavy industry was like 85% western at some point in the thirties. And then suddenly in 1939 Hitler goes "fuck you, time for war", nationalizes everything and tells Schacht to fuck off. The jews went absolutely bonkers (I mean they got raped and lost control over a major European country for the 2nd time here) and launched a massive anti-Hitler propaganda campaign. Schacht himself (who somehow wasn't proper-rekt yet) joined the anti-Hitler resistance and ended up in Dachau. Unsurprisingly, he was one of the nazis that were cleared during the Nuremberg trials.
They don't teach this shit in history classes because it shows that 20th century politics were essentially gang warfare. None of that idealized bullshit they push on the kids in schools is real.
Kevin Martinez
it was far better than Pooland at the time despite being worse off in 1945
I watched east german police shoot a woman trying to escape. Sounds like a fucking blast user
Wyatt Brooks
im pretty sure Poles arent russians tho
Charles Young
You also forgot about the coup attempt in 1944 against Hitler the majority of these guys were members of a Masonic Lodge
>They don't teach this shit in history classes because it shows that 20th century politics were essentially gang warfare. None of that idealized bullshit they push on the kids in schools is real.
Majority of people still believe in that stupid left and right boomer tier scale, to me the means to the end is irrelevant all that matters is ethnic nationalism
>I watched east german police shoot a woman trying to escape What are you a black lives matter supporter? He did nothing wrong
Kevin Sanchez
Says the goat fucker... How many mohammed cocks did you suck for your dial-up?
Colton Johnson
Ceaușescu was actually the first National Bolshevik leader in the world.
Carson Thompson
modern day National Bolshevism was conceived after Ceausescu was already dead though, Ceausescu had close ideological cooperation and personal relations with Kim il Sungs North Korea if anything he's Juche which are just various forms of National Communism.
Kevin Wood
I'm not muslim, just using this flag because it looks cool, you retard.
Liam Fisher
> despite being worse off in 1945
...are you retarded? It wasn't better and it wasn't worse off. Germans really are autistic, everything you have always has to be considered BETTER FASTER STRONGER, even when it's really, really shit. Even your porn is all about absolutely massive tits and asses.
Based on the things you say, one would think that Krauts are a race of giants. And then you see a real German and realize he's just a scrawny little faggot wearing feminine skinny pants, who's about to get enriched by Ahmed.
You people have become so pathetic it's not even funny anymore.
Logan Nguyen
yeah yeah, you probably use it, because it hides youre a leaf.
>What went wrong? >Socialist It was so great, people were risking their lives to leave and 1 in 3 citizens was a government spy.
Jacob Barnes
It hides that I fucked your mom, moron.
Ethan Campbell
Iron Guardists, I'm the Conducător
Ryan Fisher
>You also forgot about the coup attempt in 1944 against Hitler the majority of these guys were members of a Masonic Lodge
Yeah, that was a part of their retaliation. I don't remember whether Schacht was personally involved there, but he was arrested shortly after the assassination attempt, so he probably was.
Anyway, Hitler had the right idea when it comes to severing the ties with the globalists, but he pulled the trigger way too early and he went full retard on many of his policies. He could've waited for the soviets to invade Poland, destroyed their regime with our help without trying to genocide the Russians and the world would be a better place right now. Unfortunately, German autism prevented him from doing the right thing.
And I'm not even sure whether ethnic nationalism really matters here. I'd say that any free society tends to gravitate towards ethnic nationalism, what really matters is getting rid of cultural marxism and resetting the western banking system without blowing the entire fucking world up.
Gabriel Myers
>I fucked your mom
WE'VE FOUND THE 12 YEAR OLD EVERYONE STAND DOWN
Ayden Brooks
Hitler was quite the simpleton when it came to the policies on the East, he could have created a really hack jobbed Ukrainian independent state and rallied all of the Ukraine to him instead he hammered down on them hard arrested and imprisoned the leaders. Because he wanted ancient Gothic lands around Crimea god that was retarded.
Juan Campbell
watch Yuri Bezmenov you moron, of course it looked great from the outside, They even built the so called Potemkin-Villages to fool the western media. It all looked great, but just think about it, How the fuck is a gigantic communist block suddenly collapsing without one shot fired ? Communism just doesnt fucking work, and Margot Honecker was the same Idiot as was her husband
Aaron Sullivan
Basically, he mishandled everything in the East. I mean shit, the Russians themselves could've been his biggest ally against Stalin, not to mention the Poles and the Ukies. All he had to do was to refrain from genociding people and show some respect.
I mean shit, if he really wanted Lebensraum, he could have Africa, nobody would care. Unfortunately, 3rd Reich was as much of a shit-show as modern Germany, it's just that they had cool uniforms and tanks instead of muslims and trannies.
If Hitler was half as smart as Pinochet or Franco, the West wouldn't be in decline right now.
Austin Ward
> Equality for women was not just on paper
found the problem
Zachary Roberts
12 year old leaf fag confirmed, reported enjoy your ban, fagleaf.
Brayden Peterson
>most NK immigrants to SK return to the North after a while You are fucking retarded.
Wyatt Cook
show flag. i'm starting to think you're leaf gommie
Justin Morales
wow why so triggered though your moms enjoyed my dick
Ryan James
Did you just assume my breeders gender, shitlord?! I'll have you know xe is genderfluid indentifiying as apache hellicoper APOLOGIZE!
Jayden James
Germans have nice taste for aesthetic a lot of details but not too big for it's own good like say Russian aesthetic but when it comes to their foreign policies they seriously remind of that kid in school who literally everybody avoided no not bullied but avoided because he was seriously a pain in the ass to hang out with just simply annoying fucking weirdo you know?
William Rivera
I know what you mean, even the Germans that seem to be nice tend to be extremely annoying at times - and this somehow translates into the most obnoxious, intrusive policies one could possibly imagine. It's like they don't understand the notion of personal space, whether we're talking nations or people.
Bentley Bell
Best Germany was a divided one.
Nathaniel Foster
yep, Hitler took his honor and race crap way too far. First his idiotic belief that the Brits can be dealt with diplomatically somehow, then his catastrophic mistake to declare war on Russia and then another gigantic mistake: Declaring war on the US, blindly trusting the japs that they would be muh honorable memba friends
Justin Young
Yeah they really are a nosy bunch also to add on the table they are not very flexible if they don't follow their schedule point to point it's as if they become paralyzed and suffer a complete mental breakdown.
One of the ultimate cuck moves of the war the Germans declare war on the USA in return expecting the japs to declare war on the USSR well jokes on you guys the japs signed a non aggression pact with the USSR.
Kevin King
>What went wrong?
A quarter of the population was spying on, and inducing psychosis in the other 75% of the population on behalf of the authorities.