What exactly have you got against allowing two adults who are in love with eachother, regardless of their genders, be married? How does two dudes being wed to one another effect you? Is there really any argument that can be made against this besides your mudslime beliefs that Allah condems homosex?
Marriage Equality
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James Martinez
its fucking gey,
Carter White
Statistics on gays and marriage:
pewresearch.org
gallup.com
7% of millennials are gay:
prri.org
Millennials draw no distinctions between discrimination protections that should be afforded gay and lesbian people, on the one hand, and transgender people on the other. More than seven in ten (73%) millennials support legal protections against discrimination in jobs, public accommoda- tions, and housing for gay and lesbian people. A nearly identical number (72%) of millennials say they favor these same protections for transgender people.
While no significant racial or gender differences exist on either question, there are large religious divides in support for expanding nondiscrimination legislation. Roughly eight in ten black Protestant (80%), white Catholic (82%), Hispanic Catholic (81%), religiously unaffiliated (83%), and white mainline Protestant millennials (78%) favor laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against discrimination in jobs, public accommodations, and housing. About two-thirds (66%) of Hispanic Protestant millennials also favor such laws. White evangelical Protestants are closely divided on this issue, with a slim majority (51%) favoring laws that would protect gay and lesbian people against discrimination, and 47% opposing them. Among religious groups, the pattern of opinion about non-discrimination legislation protecting transgender individuals is nearly identical.
Aaron Scott
Ethan Miller
Science on gays as parents:
www.asanet.org/documents/ASA/pdfs/12-144_307_Amicus_%20(C_%20Gottlieb)_ASA_Same-Sex_Marriage.pdf
Farr, R. H. (2017). Does parental sexual orientation matter? A longitudinal follow-up of adoptive families with school-age children. Developmental Psychology, 53(2), 252-264.
dx.doi.org
How Does the Gender of Parents Matter?
Lincoln Bailey
Debunking Sullins:
thinkprogress.org
Debunking Paul McHugh:
advocate.com
Debunking Michelle Cretella:
adolescenthealth.org
Debunking Neil Whitehead:
Jose Hill
Debunking Regnerus:
rightwingwatch.org
huffingtonpost.com
88 out of 248 of the respondents that were counted as "Parents are of the same sex" responded that their parents were never in a same sex relationship while they were living with them though they had same sex relationships while they were growing up, ie their parents divorced and they ended up with the straight parent but they were still counted as having parents of the same sex
Source
>prc.utexas.edu
>a. Parents are of the same sex
219 active and 29 withdrawn panelists, from Page 3
>prc.utexas.edu
>S8 Did you ever live with your mother while she was in a romantic relationship with another woman?
40 said no, from Page 4
>S9 Did you ever live with your father while he was in a romantic relationship with another man?
48 said no, from Page 4
Yes, that is the official study results
Camden Phillips
Genetic Evidence of Homosexuality:
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Straight males carry gay genes:
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Fecundity increases in female relatives of male homosexuals:
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Scientists find DNA differences between gay men and their straight twin brothers:
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Female relatives of gay men have 1.3x as many children:
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Androgen receptor gene linked to XQ28
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Angel Bennett
The benefits of gay marriage:
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theconversation.com
Does conversion therapy work:
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Are gays more likely to be pedophiles?
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Adrian Davis
Is being gay a mental illness?
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HIV can be eliminated:
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White gays experience a dramatic decline in new HIV infections:
HIV infection rate in the US falls by a third in a decade
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UK HIV decrease:
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Advances in reproduction aid gays potentially:
Benjamin Brown
.... I never actually thought of it in that way, but you're right.
/thread.
Oliver Scott
Businesses cannot be coerced into producing anti-gay messages:
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Churches in Europe blessing same sex celebrants:
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Christopher Stewart
Let's make a list, shall we?
>Gay sex means you can't procreate naturally, and your bloodline will end with you
>Gays have a high % of STDs
>Gay's are much more likely to be multi-partner degenerates, which is something that has contributed to the latest downfall of society
>Gays tend to be weak and effeminate and go against nature
Jace Murphy
who gives a shit, none of my concern
John Lee
Partners National Survey of Lesbian & Gay Couples 1988:
Connor Lee
HIV infection rate in the US falls by a third in a decade
bbc.com
UK HIV decrease:
cbsnews.com
AU HIV decease:
Asher Ramirez
It does me no good so I don't advocate for it. It doesn't bother me, I don't bother it. Most people 'tolerate' it in this way but look how quickly tolerance became bigotry. Thanks faggots.
Camden Adams
No one is legitimately against these degenerates going to a courthouse and getting a paper signed. What these faggot fucks want to do is force their agenda on churches and places of religion and normalize their fucking another man in the ass which is where it intrudes on people who hold legitimate religious beliefs against their disgusting behavior. That aside, they parade it in public in the most absurd and fucking retarded ways exposing children to their mental illness and encouraging pedophilia. There are legitimate reasons against this but don't pretend you want to hear them you just want to play the eternal victimhood card and whine until you get your way. The average person is aware of this already.
Asher Harris
Marriage in general is retarded, let alone fag marriage.
Alexander Edwards
Name a church that has been forced to perform a gay marriage.
Nathaniel Russell
>My Brothers are straight and one of em already has a kid on the way, so my genes are secure. Besides, IVF and surrogacy are a thing now.
>How is disproportionately higher STD rates an argument against gay marriage?
>All the more reason to encourage monogamous relationships, and marriage ultimately is a monogamous relationship.
>Again, this is an argument against marriage equality...how?
Xavier Anderson
Marriage is a privilege, not a birthright.
Julian Nelson
Civil unions are not equal to marriage.
Jordan Lopez
I didn't say they HAVE been forced to at the moment. Learn to read. Don't pretend that you faggots don't use every tool in your little faggy arsenal to discourage traditional marriage at every turn. Don't pretend you don't cry "homophobia" at anything that remotely wants to preserve tradition and the traditional family unit. I could throw a rock out the window and probably hit 30 fags boycotting one thing or the other because they cry "oppression." Like I said, no one's fooled. Tolerance and normalization are on two different ends of the spectrum and you people clearly don't want only tolerance so you should stop trying to wave your bullshit around like that's the point. People are obligated to tolerate you which means not throwing you off buildings like they do in the Middle East, we are in no way obligated to subscribe to your bullshit that it's somehow normal, healthy, and/or good for our society because it's not and never will be. You faggots fly the biggest false flags left and right and try to play the victim card whenever someone disagrees with you, don't pretend you don't. THIS is not normal or acceptable, no matter how many times you try to convince yourself it is.
Adrian Powell
>Name a church that has been forced to perform a gay marriage.
The Church of England.
christianpost.com
The Church in Denmark
telegraph.co.uk
The Lutheran Church in Sweden
www1.cbn.com
Fuck you, faggots.
Xavier Clark
gay couples aren't equal to straight.
Justin Campbell
Are there specific cases where churches were sued for refusing to actually perform them though?
>should
>could
so only actual example is Denmark.
Has any church actually been forced to perform a gay marriage there despite its opposition? If so, please cite source.
Isaiah Morris
>sued for not performing a gay marriage
>but they're not being forced to guys
Holy shit you are one legitimately stupid faggot.
Alexander Sullivan
Good thread, bad that nobody give a fuck...
Jayden Wilson
Anyone can file a lawsuit. I don't see an article saying they won.
William Ramirez
I'm opposed to anything which changes the definition of institutions which constitute society. I have no specific issue with homofags but I refuse to accept the constant marxist attacks on objectivity (see: truth).
Eli Jenkins
>If I can't marry my boyfriend, then I'll marry your daughter.
So he admits that homosexuality is a choice?
Leo Long
Businesses are being coerced into making pro-gay messages.
Michael Diaz
Look how New Zealand has been practically ruined since allowing gay marriage!
Blake Butler
oh I don't know, just every single fucking church in Norway
Dominic Nelson
Behavior can be coerced, not speech.
Public accommodations laws date back to the aftermath of the Civil War. Introduced and adopted by Republicans in the Civil Rights Act of 1875, public accommodations share a lineage with the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the US Constitution. As Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote in his eloquent dissent to the Civil Rights Cases, “Citizenship in this country necessarily imports equality of civil rights among citizens … It is fundamental in American citizenship that … there shall be no discrimination by … corporations exercising public functions.”
Angel Long
Please link 1 (one) name of a church that was forced to perform a gay marriage against its will.
Owen Gutierrez
I can't say that I'm up to date with NZ politics so I can't comment either way.
I don't see how any US laws are relevant to ausfailia.
Have a look at Google requiring businesses state they're gay friendly or tacitly say they're homophobes as there is no second option.
Jaxon Wilson
Bentley Robinson
Google is a private company. Are you saying private companies should be restricted in how they conduct business further?
Connor Brooks
you are being an idiot now, this will be your last (you) from me
priests who refused were ousted from the church
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Asher Jackson
>What exactly have you got against allowing two adults who are in love with eachother, regardless of their genders, be married?
Marriage isn't about love and it has never been about love. The sole purpose of marriage is to provide for a stable and healthy environment in which a man and woman can raise children. The word matrimony comes from the Latin word "Matrmonium" which roughly translates to a combination of the words "mother" and "condition".
Gays cannot have children (and should not be allowed to adopt as a child requires both a male and female parental figure for healthy development), and therefore there is no justification to giving them the same legal and social benefits that child rearing married couples have. No one is preventing gays from loving one another, living with one another, or being happy with one another. There is simply no purpose for gays to marry.
Moreover, the push for gay marriage is not truly about equality or rights, but an attack on the family unit, an attack on traditional values, and a push for social acceptance of sexual deviancy, perversions, and self-destructive lifestyles. This can easily be observed with the existence of the pride parade, and typical behaviour of members of the LGBT community.
Alexander Bennett
TLDR; OP is a faggot.
Jonathan Lopez
>it's another "leftypol shills for faggots" episode
Yawn
Landon Torres
Resigned in protest ≠ousted
Jacob Reyes
I don't really care what gay people do, so long as they don't shove their sexuality in my face. Most gays just want to have a normal life and they don't parade that faggot shit around and a lot of them hate the faggots that do that shit because it makes them all look bad.
If you want to stick 1000 ping pong balls up your anus I literally don't care but keep that shit in the bedroom where it belongs.
Camden Flores
This is a pretty great translation:
Standal confesses to Sunnmorsposten that he has warned both the bishop, the council of counsel and the staff at the church office that he can not stand as a priest with the new AIDS liturgy.
Likewise, he has told the church sound of a goddess.
The new liturgy can be used all the more from February 1, and in addition to the AIDS liturgy, which was announced in 2003.
Helge Standal returned to hometown, when he was appointed as a soccer champion in 2010.
Prior to that he was between another priest in northern Norway and in Rogaland.
Gabriel Reyes
Honestly don't care if you want some weewee in your poo hole behind closed doors, but I think allowing them to have 'gay pride parades' in public is legitimizing decadence and moral decay and is damaging to children, in short, you can be a faggot, but don't be a disgusting pervert faggot by trying to shock people with your 'pride' in your sexuality.
Jacob Carter
This is a whole new area. Google may be a private company but they don't own every piece of the net right up to my router.
Hudson Long
I'm pro-gay marriage, but I don't believe that churches should be legally obligated to perform them. If the government can force them to compromise their values, what's to stop them from doing the same to me?
The reality is no one really gives a fuck what other people do, so long as they're not imposing their values onto them.
Jordan Parker
So your original argument has changed from "we gays aren't trying to force our degeneration on churches" to "well ignore that lawsuit, maybe those gays won't even win it." Do you not realize how absolutely full of shit you sound like right now? This is why people can't stand fags because you idiots are pathological liars hellbent on destroying any semblance of actual tradition and family values for your own, individual instant gratification. You make me fucking sick and you really should be ashamed of yourself.
Joseph Johnson
So you support increasing federal regulation of google?
William Lee
No that some wacky person filed a lawsuit but that doesn't mean they had any chance of succeeding and indeed didn't.
That is still not an example of a priest or church being ACTUALLY forced by the state to marry gay people. Denmark is the best example you have and I can't find a single church that was actually forced against its will to marry gay people.
Dominic Gomez
not a gay hater, but civil union was enough. It's weird and retarded to want to be 'married' and it will be spoken of in 300 years as a signal of the decline of the american empire
Grayson Gray
I don't either. We have separation of church and state for a reason here. That is not true of Denmark.
Adrian Hall
Procreation isn't the point of life, if it was infertile people have no value to society, we are also becoming an overpopulated planet. STD's are high because of lack of education and precaution, this tends to be a subculture of gay people, who have many sexual partners in comparison to straight people. Nature arguments are stupid, rape, incest, killing, shit eating is all natural, so is heterosexuality, bisexuality, homosexuality. Just because something is natural does not mean it is good. Plenty of gay men are masculine, muscular, fat, hairy non-effeminate, there is actually a portion of the community which hates effeminate men.
William White
Pretty sure it's a right, you are not given the privilege of marriage.
Hudson Gutierrez
Tradition is just a fad that learned to stick.
Aiden King
I support the extermination of google as an entity. How has it not yet passed into monopoly territory?
Zachary Nguyen
australians are about to vote for a referendum on this fyi foreign bros
Wyatt Kelly
>Procreation isn't the point of life
It literally is. Without procreation life could not exist.
>if it was infertile people have no value to society
Their value comes in the form of improving society for others, and helping build a future for other people's offspring
>STD's are high because of lack of education and precaution
STD rates have risen massively since the 1950s. Are you telling me our sexual education is worse now than it was 60 years ago?
>this tends to be a subculture of gay people, who have many sexual partners in comparison to straight people.
The average gay man has over a hundred partners in a life time. That isn't a sub-culture. That is THE culture. "Normal" gays are the rare exceptions.
>Nature arguments are stupid, rape, incest, killing, shit eating is all natural, so is heterosexuality, bisexuality, homosexuality. Just because something is natural does not mean it is good.
Agreed. That's why the fact that animals occasionally engage in homosexual acts is irrelevant.
Brandon Sullivan
Since churches aren't private businesses I don't know what the legalities are around suing for refused service. However, the country in question may have specific anti-discrimination laws.
Wyatt Sanders
They are animals that must be destroyed because of their disgusting acts
Jeremiah Young
Marriage has cultural and symbolic significance. It's pretty easy to understand why same-sex couples would want to be able to refer to their partners as their husband, or wife.
Tyler Flores
Let me ask this question in another way.
Why the fuck do fags want to seal their fag relationship in the presence of an ideology that hates them?
God, if he exists, fucking hates them
The people that are religious believe in god and hate them.
Basically i just cant understand why if you were gay you would want to have a service in a bulding dedicated to people that hate you by people that hate you just because it makes you feel normal.
Go for a civil partnership and everyone is happy.
Its almost like a big show to force people to show they don't tolerate fags..... trying to make a scene about it all. But that's not like fags at all is it.
Alexander Garcia
He might be bisexual you dunce
Blake Reed
>Procreation isn't the point of life
It's our best understanding of it.
And if you think otherwise, I challenge you to tell us what is. Because I'm sure the entire world would love to know.
>if it was infertile people have no value to society,
They don't.
>we are also becoming an overpopulated planet
Then stop feeding Africans.
>STD's are high because of lack of education and precaution
They're high because fags are fags, sluts are sluts, and fuckboys are fuckboys.
>this tends to be a subculture of gay people, who have many sexual partners in comparison to straight people
Because you're a bunch of amoral degenerates who hate monogamy.
>Nature arguments are stupid, rape, incest, killing, shit eating is all natural. So is heterosexuality, bisexuality, homosexuality. Just because something is natural does not mean it is good.
Yes. And faggots are one of those natural things that are not good.
Isaiah Perez
No point in 2 men/women getting married, they can't naturally have children and they should not be able to adopt.
Joshua Baker
Businesses find whatever makes them popular, that's why you have assholes supporting political correctness, because they think it's popular. Businesses, Corporations and what not, much like many politicians have no flag, they just have convenient positions they can turn to, to remain relevant and popular.
Eli Lee
Yeah sure fag, it's just a lone whacky person filing a lawsuit until the first person wins one then all you degenerates pile in the churches trying to file your own lawsuits and scream about oppression. How fucking stupid do you think Sup Forums is?
>it's not an example blahblahblah
It's a clear example of gays TRYING to force their agenda on churches and priests which you originally said didn't exist at all. You're so full of shit it's coming out of your ears. Just fuck off and top yourself or something. Damn.
Luis Thomas
Bisexuality in men is a meme that faggots tell themselves because they're too afraid to admit they're gay.
Only women can be bisexual.
Luke Lewis
As an attractive guy, I cant have gay friends cause not sure if theyre nice to me cause they like me or because they want to fuck me.
Jayden Cooper
I would be shocked if Denmark didn't have sexual orientation-based discrimination laws but that doesn't mean they can force a Church or a priest to marry a gay couple and I haven't seen an actual example of the state exerting such a force. Just saying they can.
Nobody is going to win that.
Jonathan Wright
True
Dylan Flores
Private companies are not exempt from the law of a country. For example in Australia, it is mandatory for a internet and phone service provider to retain metadata of people for 2 years. If a country also forces them to not discriminate against 'x' kind of people they must also comply if they wish to remain operational. I believe Facebook also has to retain and give information to German authorities on German citizens.
Daniel Jones
>tradition is just a fad that stuck
>aka
>fuck your sincerely-held religious beliefs and traditions
>but you should respect my traditions of overt sexual degeneracy
This is why people hate you and you think it's some kind of universal mystery why society rejects you fucking nutjobs.
Justin Richardson
Ok your Australia and Facebook examples didn't relate to gay marriage though...
Ryder Flores
First of all what's the point, second it's disgusting and degenerate, third what happens when these faggots get divorced and my money and court time gets wasted dealing with this shit, lastly it's about the principle, you can't just live in a world full of leftwing faggots who let everything slide, that's how we collapse
Josiah Roberts
spamming debunked shit from /lgbt/ isnt going to win you GBP on pol
any1 have the pics? i dont have them saved
also /r/-ing for some webms of faggots being ""frisky""
Christopher James
Once gay marriage is legalised there will be enforced sex ed curriculum in schools on all LGBT matters. The meaning of marriage will weaken and therefore the weakening of the traditional family unit. It will affect the Anglos more than immigrants that hold onto their traditional cultural values.
Camden Bell
This is the same stupid argument as "how does me taking drugs affect you?" nonsense. Of course it affects people. The rest of society is now burdened with your poor decion making. Gays have an astronomical rate of pedophelia and STD transmission. Just as drug users become a burden to those around them. Burden on the health system. Especially in places that have public health care like canada. We are going to have to pay to take care of these faggots when they destroy their assholes.
Brayden Scott
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Daniel Butler
Except that in most cases, civil unions are only recognised on a state level. So there's a multitude of benefits marriage has over civil unions, insurance plans. And while the marriage of two people is recognised practically world wide, civil unions are not, meaning if you had a civil union in Australia and moved to the UK fof example, your union no longer exists. Civil unions are not even recognised on a national level in Australia.
Asher Adams
That sign makes no fucking sense
Grayson Bailey
Marriage far predates Christianity as a social institution, it's not inherently religious. I personally don't attribute any religious significance to marriage.
Evan Williams
Thats why they can have a civil partnership.
Marriage as we mostly understand it is conducted in a Church by a priest.
Easton Brooks
>If I can't marry my boyfriend then I'll marry your daughter
Why does this faggot think that getting back in the closet and reproducing is something we don't want him to do?
Thomas Butler
...
Julian Wilson
Strawman argument: allowing them to marry won't make them love each other any more or less.
My arguments is this: homosexuality is immoral. Same-sex marriage promotes homosexual behaviour. Sodomites shouldn't be getting married, they should be getting rounded up by police officers and sent to concentration camps.
Caleb Cooper
Because they're sexual perversions cloud their judgement and influence children.
Same with feminists, trannies, etc.
Blake Russell
Stay safe don't be fag
Brandon Long
remind me, why is this bad?
Evan Lopez
A civil partnership isn't the same thing. See
Kayden Collins
Marriage in western society is religious. We get married in churches, we're brought together in HOLY matrimony etc. Christianity adopted the practice of marriage from the Romans, which as I explained in was practiced explicitly for rearing children.
Henry Baker
Marriage and it's associated benefits are there to encourage people to have children. Normal, healthy children which is why I don't think single mothers should get child benefit.
Christian Gonzalez
Life and nature doesn't have a point, it just does what it does, it isn't logical, or rational, intelligent in any way, it does what is convenient.
Gay's and Lesbians can also improve society for future generations.
I'm almost certain that STD's have decreased significantly in recent years, with the decrease being associated with better education and availability of protection.
I'm absolutely certain that your stats on gay male promiscuity is wrong, 100 is one of the highest I've seen, but that's very rare. I've seen a number say around 20, for above their 20's. However these are old stats, and the number of partners tends to decrease as I understand.
Easton Martin
Through the state it's a privilege. That's why there's regulations and procedures to follow for it to be granted. The end result being favorable tax status for couples to raise children.
Why get married in a religious building btw?
Every significant religion expressly forbids homosexuality so why do gays want to get married in a church?
Because they're spiteful and the power of the state allows them to spite an institution they've declared their enemy.
This is also how average people grew to despise the dregs of society in Weimar. You have an insatiable histrionic drive to spread your discontent. You are a damaged person, spiteful and angry. You hate the winners of society so you attack their institutions.
And what would happen if more of you were allowed to spread your misery? Well we already know, we have a name for that scenario called the age of decadence. It precedes an age of decline and the collapse of society. You'll destroy the nations that bend over backwards placating you and you'll be damned pleased about it.
Samuel Hill
This is fake and gay
If you want to live a good and healthy life just don't be fag
It's easy
Jeremiah Jackson
So, basically marriage changes based on social/cultural context. Given that most people (in the West), are now in favour of same-sex marriage, it makes sense that the laws would change to reflect this.
Luis Barnes
The only marriage that is safe (since the shitty divorce) for the ones in it is the traditional marriage
The others are meaningless for the society as a whole or dangerous for the ones in it