How is MGTOW any different from the job market right now?

How is MGTOW any different from the job market right now?
Millennials had everything handed to them and are suddenly confused on where to take their life once they have to work for something themselves for once (getting a gf) and refusing a career that pays less than they think they deserve (a fat gf)

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Can you rphrase it, it's hard to understand your thought process.
MGTOW is simple woman consume 70% goods that economy produce while men produce 80% of those goods.
In other words, woman are expensive and with addition off feminism and modern law not worthwhile. End of story.

guys wondering why they dont have a job but dont look for one is the same as men who dont have a wife but have never asked someone else on a date

Guys generally have jobs. It's cool living on your own, even with shitty job i can earn enough to support myself, no need for rat race, don't need to stay over time, have all my time for myself and with modern technology i have distilled essence of femininity one click away from me without nagging and all the bullshit. It's funny listening to faggots trying figure out why MGTOW is a thing.

I'm not mgtow, but I'd be very happy with a fatgf

>never asked someone else on a date
Is that really why normies believe lone people are lonely ?
Even on /r9k/ which is a cesspit of self loathing most people only gave up after being rejected for many years

>It's funny listening to faggots trying figure out why MGTOW is a thing.

It is even funnier when the military uniform fetishists post their real-men maymays.

Most MGTOW aren't celibate or even opposed to the idea of a relationship.

They're simply not interested in traditional gender roles and commitment, or if they are, they want a symbiotic relationship instead of a parasitic one.

Historically, women have been the choosers and men the chosen, but since gender and economic roles in gender have been conflated, there's no reason to subscribe to an anachronism as if it's the sole key to relationship success and happiness.

I would imagine the amount of MGTOW who want nothing to do with women is near 0%. It's more of an indifference than a rejection.

If women want to be in a mutually beneficial, respectful relationship, sure.

If not, career, video games, pornography and philanthropy can produce enough happiness to take love's spot.

That's all it is.

My mum acted psycho to my dad
My sister acted psycho to me growing up
My dad re-married a psycho (Hes 70 and police were called to his wedding)
My mum re-married a beta cuck who comes immediately when summoned
My girlfriends were super-materialistic and psycho, but I thought it was normal by that point.

I stopped being around women and I've never been happier

>Most MGTOW aren't celibate or even opposed to the idea of a relationship.
>I would imagine the amount of MGTOW who want nothing to do with women is near 0%.
Speak for yourself.

Just keep watching.................

youtube.com/watch?v=2iRptY2m1Xo

for all the work you don't get a "gf", you get a whore who prefers negro cock behind your back and cuck-rapes the shit out of you until everybody sees the prolapse in all the gfs orifices.

This
you don't need to marry to realize how woman are psycho
I learned that with my sister that was a garbage of a person

I think alot of MGTOWs are guys who had fucking crazy sisters.
My sister was fucking psycho when it was just the family and when we had visitors, she could change in an instant to sweetess and pleasant.

I was watching and I was amazed how manipulative she was and how she could just turn from one to the other at will.

I swear all women are volatile psychos inside just waiting for an excuse to explode.

In EVERY MGTOW thread you get the same discourse:

1) Inexperienced but horny kiddos think every guy just want to fuck anything that moves and the entirety of social interaction revolves around fucking and MGTOWs are fat autistic virgin neckbeards who can't get laid.

2) Actual MGTOWs who are experienced grown men who are warning about the dangers of women + the state vs you, and how you can be easily taken for all you've got.

3) The "Yes, thats right goy - dont reproduce" jew shills - yes JEW SHILLS. The thing (((they))) want you to do is YES reproduce children to a raving tinder psycho / bar slut who will NEVER grow up and you will be raising her as well as your kids until she bails on you and takes half your shit after dragging you through divorce court.

The jew agenda is NOT to stop whites reproducing, its to produce a WEAKER generation with poor parents so the state can become the new parents. No reproduction means no goy-cows for milking. Why the fuck would (((they))) not want a new generation of tax-slaves? (((They))) own the banking system AND the law courts / judicial process.

(((The agenda))) is all about making money from broken individuals from broken families - NOT stopping reproducing.

MGTOW is redpilled because its men refusing to get fucked over by the jew system - and (((they))) are worried. (((They))) are worried that (((they))) have pushed the feminist "high maintenance woman" meme too far and thought men would become pussyfied slaves to nagging bitches and never thought men would just go their own way.

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stop this shilling

MGTOW is obviously working. These daily threads of pure butthurt all but prove as much.

Also - the white knight problem is giving all these psychos attention and making their "market value" inflate. They get used to horny boys swooning over them, and never distinguish them from actual men who need a psychologically mature woman.

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>The jew agenda is NOT to stop whites reproducing, its to produce a WEAKER generation with poor parents so the state can become the new parents.
interesting point
i think though that they also seek to replace ethnic populations with migrants and immigration in order to reduce national loyalty as precursor to a one world government.

Marriage is dead content. Life is easier without a drama-addicted leech by your side. I made the mistake of waiting for a mature women to start a family with. They don't exist.
Working hard for a company doesn't reward the effort, so applying minimal effort for the paycheck is only rational.

So, the jews work on the "if you kill your enemies, they win" logic?

Most MGTOWs are grown men with kids who have had their lives stolen from divorce rape.

youtube.com/watch?v=OtE6nNxO24A

>Guys generally have jobs. It's cool living on your own, even with shitty job i can earn enough to support myself, no need for rat race, don't need to stay over time, have all my time for myself and with modern technology i have distilled essence of femininity one click away from me without nagging and all the bullshit. It's funny listening to faggots trying figure out why MGTOW is a thing.

I'm inspired to start collecting "Why MGTOW" stories.
Yours will be the first one.

yes - a weaker, non-cohesive society is the NWO plan.

They want you to have kids - with a psychologically weak woman. A family that will inevitably break up is the goal. Not stopping reproducing altogether.

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You are welcome her Muller.

The idea of MGTOW is flawed as men naturally want to love and wife a woman they have sex with. And not having sex is called something else.

Ultimately we have a bunch of pussy betas likely a result of the endocrine disrupters in our food supply. Women leave them in divorce and they're left blaming the woman. However, the woman is never at fault, all women are the same. It's the job of a man to be a man and if you do that, she'll stay.

You're doing it wrong if...
> you're always nice to your woman
> you think you couldn't replace her
> you respect her political beliefs
> you don't go out and get fucked up with your friends at least once a week no matter how much she protests
> you don't have a hard job or work retail
> she doesn't swallow
> you wear a condom
> ...

Women aren't complicated. Just be a man and they naturally come to you. Work hard, eat meat, drink beer, and do what you want to do. 'Men going their own way' is the same fucking thing as getting a woman.

I love being MGTOW
>Used the GI bill to go to college
>Graduated and have my RN license
>Saved up 100k

Im so close to having my own house where I can build a bdsm dungeon in the basement and have an awesome garage.

Excellent pasta. I'm putting it in my pantry. I don't think these important points get across enough. These MGTOW threads are shilled to death sometimes. Both Roisties and (((them))).

Everybody be on alert for "shaming language". These are Emotional Arguments that lack any substantial logic. Here are common tactics they use:

>sour grapes defense mechanism
>You are a biological failure
>never gotten laid or been in a relationship
>bunch of losers
>zero social skills
>anti-depressants / mental health brought into question
>brainwashing
>MGTOW is male feminism
>using “cringy” a lot
>bitter virgins
>can't get laid
> weak men
>cannot control his woman
>It's basically giving up
>Defeatism for cucks
>stupid loser

Getting married is selfish.

Boobless Larpers Matter?

Thats exactly what I passed through
My sister was never capable of telling honestly in private for me a simple compliment nor any help at all
But when visitors came at my house she just changed 100% and was all lovely to me like an actress
Shit, also she mined my self steem all my childhood and adolescence, and she never got caught for anything
Now she is just another 30's single mom and I denounce and shame her behavior all the way

Also, and most importantly, you fuck that bitch hard, regularly. Choke her, slap her, whatever. I don't get a rise out of choking my GF as I pound her but that's what she wants. Hell I got drunk last night and told her I was going to rape her if she didn't spread her legs when she gets back from a trip and she loved that shit, admitted it's a fetish of hers.

If you have a tiny dick, they have 'penis enhancers'. Shit that hits the clit. Might as well try it if you can't keep your woman in line, they'll think it's kinky and clit stimulation is the main thing they care about.

The counter argument to the birthrate issue is:
Abortion and birth control pills leave the women as the gatekeepers of children, it's "Her Choice".

These are all tendrils of (((their))) plan. Think about it hard mate. It costs money just to be alive. It costs money to have a place to sleep safely at night.

(((They))) want warm bodies. They want broken white families and migrants. It all represents money. (((They))) own the banking system. You have to think of your "money" as "your effort". It's financial slavery. The more warm bodies the better.

The worse possible thing for (((them))) to encounter is the nuclear family; the patriot and the pioneer spirit, like America had in the early centuries.

And that's why I'm a Ghost MGTOW, working as little as possible. I cook my own food; mend my own socks and make my own coffee. I reduce my effort into the system which is systematically designed to exploit me.

>Also, and most importantly, you fuck that bitch hard, regularly.
Regular fucking lowers your testosterone level and ruins your dopamine receptors.
Why not just forget about it and live happy life instead?

I could draw an analogue to entrepreneurs, those who work for themselves. If you have enough starting capital, you can take matters into your own hands. With employment, you can be self-employed. Boom, no chance of being fired for bullshit, no kissing ass or walking on eggshells with that looming chance to lose it all. With family, you can buy contracts with a trusted surrogate center to have a good few kids, then you can buy a contract lawyer to draft a private marriage contract. Boom, no chance of being divorced for bullshit, no kissing ass or walking on eggshells with that looming chance to lose it all.

You can still get sex without ever getting married or entering a relationship.

The same old tired "Man Up" Bullshit as if these fucking whores are actually worth your effort.

Nigga Please.

This is shill-posting at its most obvious - other than the standard tactics list above.

This behaviour is guaranteed to get your woman looking to go after another guy, cheat on you divorce you or leave and take half your shit, brainwash your kid into hating you and so on.......... just what (((they))) want - depraved behaviour leading to broken families.

(((They))) are fucking sneaky cunts on here, honestly.

>tfw fit redhead homebody gf who loves the same things you do and shares similar worldview

MGTOW are pussies or autistic.

>every married man until his bitch leaves him and destroys his life
>I-I never thought it could happen to me...

No, it doesn't. Where did you get that bullshit from?

Regular fucking increases Testosterone and has no effect on dopaminergic activity. You're really debating with the wrong guy if you want to bullshit about this shit.

Hence why I said...
> men naturally want to love and wife a woman they have sex with.

Maybe you should try it. And no, the point is not giving effort. I mean, what, go through my comment and what do you disagree with? Apparently you're always nice to women, you think your gf is irreplaceable, you respect her political beliefs... dumbass.

>I reduce my effort into the system which is systematically designed to exploit me
Why not bore out your own system, like , if you're able?

The rationalizations of the pussy/autist

>I-I didn't want any pussy anyway...

Like you've been fucking that bitch for more than a month. Any man knows after 3 months of fucking the same bitch, the opiate reward goes down to about 25% of what it was.

You're describing a new "job". ---> Yeah, man "fuck dat bitch" for the rest of your life!" And keep raising the bar until you're fucking exhausted and she leaves you anyway. The same pussy that is intoxicating on week one will be a revolting roast beef sandwich that was left out in the sun a year later.

Do you get hit on by nurses?

These are really good tips for playing into the current environment of needing to constantly appease women or risk them leaving you. But, I'm rejecting that system entirely, in favor of my own . What, if anything, is the problem with my line of thinking?

Here's a hypothetical:

In a world of "equality", why are men forced to court women in an antiquated fashion?

Are women, dare I say, not equal to men and incapable of pursuing relationships in much the same way they demand men to pursue them?

Double standards: the leading cause of MGTOW

I don't get how MGTOW is even needed.

Here are 3 simple rules any basic male can follow without issue:
>never get married - it's where the scales are officially tipped against you
>never sign anything without understanding it fully - especially if your significant other wants you to, think worst-case-scenario, always
>if you have children, make sure you have verified documentation that states how things are going to play out if you are ever divorced or leave the person you have children with - do this BEFORE getting kids

Make sure to keep all your documentation on the up-and-up, have it witnessed by lawyers and be sure that you never sign yourself into a sour deal.

Men can easily make the system work for them, it just requires more work. Women get the scales tipped in their favor by default.

>No, it doesn't. Where did you get that bullshit from?
Experience
Orgasm in general releases enough dopamine to downstimulate dopamine receptors. 1 month without orgasm works wonders for both your psychological health and stabilizes your hormone levels, makes your life worthwhile. You may also consider drugs like phenylpiracetam to heal your dopamine system.

Maybe it's different, maybe it's not. Tell me why I should give a shit.

Since women have become equal in society, I can't find a woman who meets the high standards men have set.

Women have shot themselves in the foot with that one.

Equality has just made women as ugly as men, and men as useless as women. Thanks, Jews.

People who bitch about MGTOW and whinge about them being incels are idiots. Even if people aren't MGTOW, there's still a lot of them who can't have relationships/marriage/kids anyway because the economy is in shambles. I came across the term "economic infertility" a while back in the normie news. So whether you want family or not, if you can't afford it, what does it matter what position you take?

I actually do have my own business and at that point, it's not your boss you have to worry about with SJW shit. It's your customers.

I've been building websites for well over 10 years and now they all want social media crap laced with SJW virtue signaling. I just did one for a company that was "all women" and the whole product line was this virtue signaling about how women were so important. Personal stories about how they fought the Patriarchy. It made me sick and weak.

That's the point. Sure, I could get a surrogate, etc but I would almost have to semi-homestead. I could see doing that in Alaska perhaps. It's not an absolutely terrible idea. Still, I'm trying to isolate myself from society AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE and any degree of "work" (to earn money to raise kids) means I'm forced to interact in a society which is sick.

Lawyers, documents, signatures, yeah I really want to deal with all that bullshit. Maybe you can understand why so many people are saying it isn't worth the effort.
Maybe 200 years ago you had a wedding and lived together until death. Today it is a nightmare not worth getting involved with.

JIDF pls.

27 months and no, I still enjoy sex. Hell her pussy has only gotten tighter. Taking my girthy dick is like doing kegels.

> what is the problem

Either you're abstinent or you're yet to be in love. I did cover this.

> naturally want to love and wife a woman they have sex with. And not having sex is called something else.

I've done #nofap for a year and my Testosterone dropped down to 73 ng/dL It's in your head. If you're abstinent; get checked out.

> You may also consider drugs like phenylpiracetam to heal your dopamine system.

lol. I actually have a rare mutation that makes it impossible to downregulate my dopamine receptors called Gs224. But I'm pretty sure you guys that pretend to know so much about dopamine are full of shit because I studied it for years and still don't understand it.

>there's still a lot of them who can't have relationships/marriage/kids anyway because the economy is in shambles.
You can always have kids. Take the niggerpill. Figure out the money part afterwards.

> men naturally want to love and wife a woman they have sex with.
That could not be further from the truth. Humans aren't naturally monogamous. That's why it takes years of education/indoctrination to make people think that.

Oh I totally understand why some just don't want to deal with it. It's a lot of effort, for very little actual gain. Especially now that divorces are so common, the entire "until death do us part" thing is essentially meaningless.

I'm just saying that if you have the direct need to enter a normalfag relationship there are simple rules you should follow, because the system is not unbiased and it's certainly not leaning towards the male side.

My point was just that a lot of harm can be avoided if you're willing to lawyer-up early. And if the girl you're with is redpilled enough she'll see that as fair. If not, she's probably not worth keeping anyway, much less marrying.

Good point.
Other than women being psycho, the prospect of affording one after the 2008 economic collapse is rediculous.

Its mathematically impossible to afford a woman or a life.

Low carb diet, cardio, meditation, cold showers, breathing exercises , not masturbating/watching porn/ heaving sex/ or any other sexual behavior, all those things make you happy whether you are in relationship or not, loneliness is state of mind, mental illness that can be cured like every other illness. Why bother with woman when you can become better person?

I think you are JIDF. Your depraved posts and shit advice for the young and impressionable here are the proof.

This, mgtow is a good start on how women want to be treated also

Who the fuck do you think you're talking to?
Get the fuck outa' here shill.

>Maybe you should try it.

you literal nigger, WE HAVE. We've done the shit that you LARP about.

You're a employee on his first week telling the CEO how shit should run. Lurk moar

Daily reminder that there are 1000s of stay at home daughters out there just waiting for someone to marry them

youtube.com/watch?v=apoCp3OTsxE

Men need to have higher standards of those women they choose to give their attention to. Its easy to attract bar sluts by throwing money at them, but this is not macho alpha-redpilled behaviour because anyone can do it. Men need to learn some self control and if they are dealing with an un-motherly tinder psycho - yes you can get laid, but theres no lasting relationship there.

By restricting who we give attention to, we are creating a better caliber of woman because they have to up their game. All these tinder psychos and bar sluts are created and made worse by riding the "cock carousel".

You never hear the concept of an alpha-woman on Sup Forums because Sup Forums for the most part have never concieved such a notion.

Go on dates and meet women. An alpha women is motherly, mannered and courtious and wont fuck you after a few dates. An alpha woman is breeding material. Not a crazy slut. Resist the primal, base level, neanderthal, "suck muh dick" thinking to just get laid, and keep your dick in your pants and have some standards of behaviour - not just "shes hot and up for it"

Alpha women do exist.

> Humans aren't naturally monogamous.

Says the school of Karl Marx.

I didn't say monogamous. I believe we are hypergamic ie. 80% of women have sex with 20% of men. But even men who fuck multiple women want to keep a wife at home. Let's put it this way; there's your wife and then there's also whores.

You'll grow out of this.

Are you a manlet? I don't know how manlets get laid, can't help you there.

Why allow it to stay like that though. It's obviously not working so why not revert to old times when things actually worked. Get the lawyers and courts out of the bedroom. The worst part is, we might not even be able to fix the mess.

Don't judge MGTOW by observation, just live it.

With modern women, I feel obligated and tied up with their bullshit.

In the beginning, the sex is great, they are tremendous fun. They turn you on to new music, movies you may not have seen, trips to the coast, or fun parties...but then they get clingy. They get demanding....they suddenly bark at you because they thought about something some guy did to them a couple of years ago.

Avoid all that. Live single, fall in love, have flings but DO NOT LIVE WITH A WOMAN. The happiness goes down by 80% if you live together or get married.

The guys just doing the at-a-distance relationship or FWB thing are so happy. They get all the good stuff with no compromises.

I started doing this at age 35 and I've been very happy ever since. Men need time away from women to recharge their social batteries. If you live with a woman, she'll want you tied tightly to her apron-strings.

Don't do it.

Just don't.

>The worst part is, we might not even be able to fix the mess.
dont get a divorce
its that easy

>naturally want to love and wife a woman they have sex with
Of course, that's covered by the woman I'm in a private marriage with. She'd be my wife, and I would treat her well and "love" her. However, if we were to divorce for any reason, we wouldn't go into the divorce industrial-complex. We'd refer to the private marriage contract whereby she'd only leave with the assets she generated during the private marriage. Also, I keep all the kids I got from the surrogate center, as they are not related to my private marriage wife. So, is there a problem with my plan? I'd like to hear the opinion of an anti MGTOW such as yourself on this.

damn that is a real ass. I fucking hate this thick nigger meme making women look like stocky men.

pic related ass is fucking perfect

Now that women have equality, what is stopping them from asking men out on dates, and paying for a night out? They have jobs, just no motivation.

Honestly, we're probably not able to fix it at this point. Women felt they got a sour deal from divorces, and that's bled so deeply into the courts that it's practically unbalanceable now.

The best thing to do is to either not get contractually tied down, or at least make sure the contracts work for you.

Wait so then you agree that humans aren't naturally monogamous? Why would lifetime pair bonding be a natural thing in humans then?

You are making an assumption without understanding what "Gynocentrism" means.

Part of what it means is that women always get to play victim. If she cries in front of a judge after relating what a horrible monster you are for hitting her and molesting her kids (all lies she pulled out of her ass).....guess what brother, your paperwork don't mean jack shit.

You are not just fighting her. You are fighting an entire society that will automatically take her side. Gynocentric indoctrination is as natural as taking a shit.

That's why when you Red Pill on MGTOW, you get really nauseous and unsteady for the first year. You have to deal with a lot of pain and anger once you accept the truth.

Giving shitty advice, ad-hominems.

are you a cunt by chance?

It's not, baby boomers ruined marriage, baby boomers ruined the job market and now they complain about millenials for not having a job or getting married.
>lol, just grow up and deal with the shit I left behind

>what is stopping them from asking men out on dates, and paying for a night out?
Because some women still believe in traditional gender roles

>for not having a job
there are jobs everywhere

>dear, I want a divoce
well i don't
>here's the papers, now leave
well fug, i'm getting a divorce

>It's not an absolutely terrible idea
That's all I needed to hear. It is unfortunate that you'd have to go innawoods ot protect your family from (((their))) influence.

Hey, they are good tips for groveling at the feet of women and sucking their toes to appease them, as one must nowadays. That's why I'm going down an extremely privatized path since I want a family more than anything else, and there is absolutely no other safe recourse in the current system.

Stupid woman, I see through your tricks.

It's my extensive experience with women that has taught me that they are worthless. I try to warn the younger guys, but virgins are too obsessed with pussy to think straight.

Women are a waste of time and resources. You will never find one who puts logic and accountability before their emotions. Artificial gestation will render them as obsolete as cars made the horse.

>Millennials
You know millenials are literally the deprived, and worst treated generation since child labour days right?

Dont marry a woman that will divorce you
Its that easy

This is so naive its unreal.

>Also, and most importantly, you fuck that bitch hard, regularly. Choke her, slap her, whatever.

No thanks I don't want to be hauled away for rape and abuse. Good try though.

Well what are we arguing about then?

I said there's your wife and then there's whores. You still always go back to your wife.

Well are you a manlet? Or black/indian/asian? Cause, yeah, most women don't want you no matter what you do in those cases. I have graphs if you want.

Check out the ass of this girl I fucked.

All your posts are suspiciously depraved

Why would that be natural behaviour? What evolutionary advantage does it offer? Don't just make shit up and call it human nature.

The apologetics of the drowning man treading water

>stick with your autistic water wings, I'm going to clamp a weight to my foot.

I'm a millenial, I came from a shit family and worked hard all my life and now have a career that I'm proud of. On the other hand, I've also worked hard in the few LTRs that I've had and it turns out women aren't worth the investment because i don't have a square jaw and no amount of squats will change that; therefore, i'm going my own way and you can do nothing about it, nigger cuck

It's a nice fairy tale. In some ways, we are turning the tide by staying off JewBook and Twatter. Social media turned them into these narcissistic whores. In the modern day, men are leaving social media en mass.

I've always said the best way to control these whores is to simply ignore them. And that is why MGTOW is a huge threat to them now. It's working.

But one of the huge challenges we have is getting the Red Pill Knowledge into the heads of young men who have been raised by single mothers. It takes a lot of work to prevent them from getting fucked over that first time. They are thinking through their dicks.

And that is what still gives these cunts power, the untold masses of Beta Orbitors, raised by single mothers to be emasculated subservient dogs.

Those Alpha females are so rare, the line waiting for them wraps around the earth.