Would you say that the lack of philosophy in our lives contributes to our cultural problems?

Would you say that the lack of philosophy in our lives contributes to our cultural problems?

People don't like to think a lot these days. About anything. They just react or do whatever authorities or traditions tell them to do.

>People don't like to think a lot these days. About anything. They just react or do whatever authorities or traditions tell them to do.
You do realize that for the large majority of people that's how it's literally always been in human history, right?

Well... yeah.

Traditions are meant to be how good philosophy is passed down. 90% or more of people are to stupid, to uninterested, or don't have the time to engage in philosophical debate. Even if they did, the only way a philosophy can really prove itself is in the real world.

What's meant to happen is a few people who are intelligent/interested/have time come up with a way of doing something and try it out. If it works, other people copy them. These people teach their children that they should abide by this philosophy and a tradition is born!

i think this is an inherent problem historically. If anything the internet has created to greatest age of philosophical enlightenment in the history of mankind. The problem is we have only had the internet for few decades and social and ideological change take a long time.

That's true. Good point.

Perhaps it's all the nonsense that's going on right now that's clouding my view.

The difference is that for the vast majority of history, normies had literally zero cultural or political influence.

In a democracy, the common man must be held to a higher standard.

Most humans are barely above the conscious level of some animals operating on base instinct, they don't think because they're incapable of it, at least at any meaningful level, it's weird when you notice it, when you try to have a discussion with them and they seem completely dumbfounded as to not have a coherent reply to what you've said, as though higher level thought has never even occurred to them, or that they simply just can't comprehend it, before they resort to an almost auto-selected reply of what their brain has told them to say in such a situation.

Greeks liked to think for the sake of thinking.

absolutely agree. i myself constantly contemplate the deeper reality and higher knowledge. i'd even accept atheism if people were philosophers but they aren't, so i only accept truth religion. sad really, could have had some interesting discussions.

>In a democracy, the common man must be held to a higher standard.

I couldn't put my foot on it, but that's one thing in the back of my mind that was bothering me.

It's one thing if you have a king or junta doing all the thinking for you, but in a democracy you'd expect the citizenry to not be at the level of farm animals.

Its normal that people think and do what authority tells them.
However our philosophies are all made by kikes.
Christianity, Socialism, Human Rights etc.

I hear you. I don't think I'm a great thinker or anything pretentious like that, but I do love to learn and think about things.

I know that not everyone who isn't a deep thinker is a bad or inherently stupid person, and know some great normies, but sometimes I wish I could talk about more abstract things with other people.

Its not the expectation of a more or less smart citizen.
Democracy is the lie that the common people can rule themselves.

People enjoy "political discussion" witch is advocared but completly worthless because the common man is not capable of such things.
Living in such an illusion, he will never grasp that he is the most obidient slave of all time.

Thats the main idea of democracy

the fact of the matter is that even "smart" people aren't that smart. they are merely specialised in a particular form of propaganda. they can't actually think in dependently. By that I mean they cannot abstract their own ideology (consider their own set of ideals/beliefs within a greater superset of ideals and beliefs).

consider quantum mechanics. everything kikenstein taught was false. designed to cage your mind into a turd-nugget. but try to discuss that with someone who has learned general relativity? forget it. they are too busy prattling off nonsense about minkowski spacetime or 10 dimensional space (nonsense).

I'm different from other people though, I was born with truth knowledge, so i was able to fix the false quantum mechanics and derive it properly. the pic attached is the periodic table's true shape. bretty gud eh?? there's more on my website called churchofentropy dot wordpress dot com. maybe we can talk more. i have a fairly large network of people who aren't total kludgeheads i'd be happy to share.

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Spent 16 years as an atheist. Converted after a couple years of trying to find a solution to the problem of Hell on Earth. People have abandoned all dignity and morality and live as animals. Hedonism is life and nihilism is the norm. That was fine with me while I was younger and too foolish to care. Then I became a Father and climbed mountains to understand how to raise my son to be a good man. There's only one option, a foundation in God. If you aim at the highest good, eventually you'll hit the mark. I'm not scared of death, I'm scared of living a life without being the best father I can be despite my weaknesses and limitations.

The Western nations are all rotting corpses because they've all abandoned God thinking they could hold fast to the morality and goodness they gained from Christianity. Now we live in Pagan satanic societies. Infanticide through abortion. Sex worship. Slavery to central banks. Death and gore and unwholesomeness in all our media. Mass media nothing but lies. Homosexuality and Transexuality and Pedophilia at extemes. Etc.

I converted to save my family from out of control sin. You might understand one day.

reincarnation is unfalsifiable. you don't really gain much by becoming a staunch christian, except maybe you gain the capacity to annoy the fuck out of me.

what does it say about you that you can't be good/moral without fear of "hell" or selfish desire of "hell". isn't perpetual rebirths far scarier than hell? why not accept the truth religion?

At least in America, the government designed to be more exclusive than it now is. After starting with land owning males, control was ceded to larger groups until now where a person's presence in a voting booth is generally enough to prove eligibility.

Democracy in the hands of a responsible group is undoubtedly the best, but subject to gradual slippage.

user,

The education system's lack of philosophy is a shame. Many lay people don't question, and I think that is due to school curriculum.

Learning facts for standardized tests churns out fact regurgitating productivity units, not questioners. Inspiring curiosity through philosophy would help the world.

We live in a liberal democracy
Not in a direct one.
You capacity to think on a higher level is irelevent and unrewarded.
Everything must serve. The rest is discarded.
That's why we don't make any great work of architectures for the sake of beauty and challenge anymore. Just squares with windows.

Isnt what you describe the evolution of tribalism to a state?

The thing with your good type of democracy is that its acctually given in a authoritarian state. As the "subleaders" for the "substates" must have enough aproval to not get overthrown. Witch is acctual aproval and not some sort of ilusion created by a worthless voting bill.

>inspiring curiosity would help the world
No it wouldnt, look at the disgusting philosophy at universitys. Its not supposed to be teached to the commons.

they dont teach legitimate philosophy. they teach marxism. that's pollution.

Not in this case specifically, because the USA wasn't founded by tribes which evolved to states. If anything it would be considered colonial under a monarchy to autonomous representative democracy.

I'm not sure I really understand what you mean about authoritarian government, sorry for not understanding.

There's probably a lot of good to be said about authoritarian government so long as the one in authority is moral or just. If Plato liked it, there had to be something to it.

This user is right. I had a friend who switched out of philosophy in college because it was cancer.

We implicate the quality of teachers more than the subject matter with this approach.

The internet is causing a second renaissance.

Proper philosophy is still taught at the post-grad level in many schools. I think the bigger issue is that many philosophy courses more-so resemble history courses with philosophy themes than having political alignment.

Most phil professors I've met don't care about politics anymore than someone might care about a sports team.

Very good points. That was my buddy's complaint. He said class went like this:
"And what did Plato say?"
"No, Plato said ..."
"And what did Aristotle say?"
... You get the picture

I think what you are feeling has more to do with general IQ ranges, plus things like verbal IQ things. Meaning that most people are really that just fucking stupid, the ones who are not, still may be stupid as they lack the ability to verbalize themselves properly. There are many high tier jobs in this society that require some novel thought, high understanding of difficult principles.

If there truly were so many soulless people then society as we know it wouldnt be able to function. Given enough motivation, effort, and inside knowledge even a mediocre person could make some quite surprising and insightful things. I therefore find lower management and middle management sometimes interesting as people. Even if they are pure normies. But the way to manage a company, its people and the many variables sometimes can be impressive and innovative. Thats also probably where most of these peoples attention lies lol. Thats why they have not maxed out their verbal hobby, communication skills like we did.

Nonsense. There's tonnes of average and dumbass people in those top-level positions. People have been dumbed down for hundreds of years, with the past 50 years being a severe decline.

just because we (most likely) are smarter than these dumb fags, doesnt mean that they are any different from before. In the past 100 years there were what. 20/30 grande inventors of all sorts? Out of what? Millions? How do you think all those millions were living back then? Do you really think that every single one of them could hold a philosophical discussion lol? Do you even know the progression of literacy?

If anything, the average person has become smarter these days, having access to internet. And its contents.

But the things that we have now, the factories, the economy, the government, the management of it all. It all requires a higher amount of IQ points. Organizing one large factory takes incredible organization feats on nearly all levels. Add in to the mix that we now have even more complex machinery...the reason why we now have such abundance of wealth is directly related to our increase of generic intelligence.