Refute this image without using fallacious reasoning

Refute this image without using fallacious reasoning.

Hint: It can't be done.

By utilising services provuded by the state you are entering into a contract where you agree to pay tax in exchange for access to those services.

It's not theft if you pay it :)

Humans work better when they are organized which taxes help. Politicians are stealing from our tax dollars though

Here's a good one, too.

Don't you have some sort of queue to go wait in Nigel?

forcefully encouraged

yeah bro I was totally capable of consenting to that contract before I was born

Taxation is not theft because theft is a criminal offence and taxation isn't

>By utilizing services provided by the mafia you are entering a contract where you agree to pay in exchange for access to their services
You realize the state forces you to use their services both by violent threats and by terminating alternatives, right?

Contracts can be inferred by conduct

These large urban cities were just never meant to exist because they're ungodly.

That image is fallacious reasoning.

Your consent is the usage of public commodities.

How is "Taxation is theft" fallacious?

It's an assertion not an argument.

>Stop using public commodities (ie no longer consent)
>Still have to pay tax

necessary for roads.

at least that is the theoretical basis on which I accept taxes.

We have agreed to play by these rules when we formed nation states. It's not like anyone forces you to participate anyway.
There have been numerous attempts of building ancap utopia, why don't you join them?

So, hypothetically, were I to stop using public commodities . . . ?

Got a rock-solid counter-argument, OP.

Why is theft inherently bad?

You and I weren't alive when "they" formed nation states, there wasn't any consent from our side.

>It's not like anyone forces you to participate anyway.
Except for the government.

It isn't, mind if I take 50% of your earnings?

If you consent it's not theft, retard.

>You and I weren't alive when "they" formed nation states, there wasn't any consent from our side.
Every generation has an opportunity to change the constitution.

>Except for the government.
How does the goverment force you to stay in your country? The best Korea is the only country I know of that does it.
There are plenty of failed states in Africa or South America what you can pick/buy a piece of land, institute your order and nobody will ever notice you.

That wouldn't be theft lmao

you dont have to pay taxes if you dont want to. but then you have to leave.

there are no taxes in the wilderness

Correct. So when you don't consent taxation is _____ ?

So your Government should just do everything for free then?

Theft blah blah blah. Boring. Theft is just a nasty word that makes people feel sad. It has no real bearing and is not inherently malevolent.

I have never built nation. I have never been asked what I believe the rules should be or what portions of the state I wish to partake in

Method to keep you busy from going insane.
As we can see, it didn't work out, welfare queens started SJW movement

Refute this image without using fellatio
>hint: it can't be done.

That's because you're an irrelevant pawn that will consume for the greater good and then die. Nobody cares.

We are not arguing how is is possible to create ancapism, we are arguing wether or not taxation is theft. The fact that you can leave the agressors violence, doesn't make the agressors actions just. Taxation is theft, wether or not you can leave has no bearing on it.

Nice man, you got paypal?

You implicitly consent.

If you want to explicitly dissent, go move to Africa (or wait a few years and Sweden will turn into it anyway)

if you dont pay taxes you shouldnt be allowed to use anything that is paid for with peoples tax money. unfortunately that is impossible to enforce. so if you live in a society which relies on taxes you must also pay taxes because you will inevitably use these things.

if you dont pay taxes YOU are the thief

You don't have to pay taxes. If you don't like taxes, go live in the fucking wilderness. Go build a thatched house and live off of nature. No taxes.
Oh wait, you won't. You'll just sit in your warm, comfy room on your computer and complain about taxes.

i'll kidnap you and lock you in my basement where i only feed you dry bread and water once a day. if you consume the bread and water, it means you consent to the situation i put you in.

>Babbys first ideology
>Bruh nihilism nothing matters LMAO

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Not an argument against any of my points raised. Babbling is to be expected from a retard that thinks he is so profound in thinking tax is an issue of any relevance.

the difference is you dont have to pay taxes until you are a working adult. and which stage you can decide to leave the basement if you so wish. also nobody kidnapped you and locked you up. you were born in the basement. if you want to leave you can. if you want to stay and eat the bread and water you have to pay

Theft is the unrightful taking of property. Since the states sovereign rights are superior to inferior property rights it's not theft.

You don't implicitly consent to being locked in a rape dungeon post-fact, moron.

Are you going to actually refute my post or keep being a sperg?

see

>be me, embryo
>bought my first house three months after conception
>born in December, big year for me
>get letter in February for "property tax"
>don't understand the notion of Taxation
>get my land forcibly repossessed by the government
>mfw I learn about state sponsored theft

>submit to MY collectivist authoritarian ideas in the country you were born in. if you don't, you need to leave otherwise we'll kill you.

don't pretend like you're having a discussion with coherent arguments here. all you're saying is "do what we want or we will kill you".

>Might makes right

Why not just move somewhere that you don't have to pay tax if it bothers you so much?

Its not like Sweden is a viable option as a place to live anyway for much longer.

>Taxation is theft, wether or not you can leave has no bearing on it
It is relevant because by staying you are consenting to play by the rules established by the law of the nation you're staying in.
If in ancapistan someone owned a piece of land and decided that you have to pay $10 for every day you stay there or have the shit beaten out of you how would it be different from what the state does? He's not forcing you to buy his service but you are under the threat of violence if you don't play by the rules.

>don't have to pay taxes until you are a working adult
great, so I only get locked in the basement at a certain age.

>you were born in the basement

So I am forced to live there just waiting till the day when money can be forcefully taken from me and if i refuse i am hounded from society and left to die.

Given that "rights" are pure abstraction without a state to enforce them, the state can do what it wants essentially.

Was meant for

You make the false assumption that the state OWNS the lands within it's border, which isn't correct. The example of the man charging 10USD only makes sense when he OWNS the land. I own my private plot of land, the state has no right to impose rules on me there.

Mmmm getting nice and toasty from that strawman you just burnt down!

>the state has no right
Why not?

How does one gain ownership of the land in your ideology?

So I am forced to live there just waiting till the day when money can be forcefully taken from me and if i refuse i am hounded from society and left to die.
yes. that is by definition not theft. also stop using the word forced. you have a choice. you may not like the choices but they are there for you to choose. be part of society or fuck off. you could also try to change society for the better but i doubt some lazy cunt who doesnt want to pay his way could ever be bothered to do that

You don't need a state to enforce rights.

>So I am forced to live there just waiting till the day when money can be forcefully taken from me and if i refuse i am hounded from society and left to die.

Why would it be wrong for me to come into your house with a firearm and boss you around?

Consentual exchange or claiming something when nobody else has (the state didn't come before humans, mind you).

herregud stick från mitt land din autistiska jävel vad fan är med dig egentligen?? "beskattning är lika med stöld" vilket trams asså dina argument är baserad på teori och inte i själva praktiken gå häng dig själv fyfan vad jag håller på att spy

fixed.

>also stop using the word forced. you have a choice.
>Hand over the money or get shot
>Bro, it's not theft you have a choice!
Very odd definition of theft you got.

you have not made a contribution to the conversation.

tell me what happens when someone wants to live in the country he was born in, and doesn't want to submit to theft with the excuse of "but you're drinking our water and breathing our air! therefore you love us!"

Ät skit sossemongo, du är avskummet som förstör Sverige.

>you have not made a contribution to the conversation.
Are you implying "TAXATION IS THEFT REEEEE" is a tenable position in this conversation?

explain to me how an entire country being violently robbed by a small political elite is a civil society.

is violence or the threat thereof civil?

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lol what a stupid analogy. let me give you a better one
>pay for your meal or leave my restaurant

this is an empty post. you can try again but i'm telling you, your last two posts didn't have any arguments so you've already lost most of your credibility.

>the state didn't come before humans, mind you
Well it sure didn't. It also didn't come from nowhere but it was created by the people who occupied the land.
They ceded the power they havd over the land to the abstract entity of the state because they believed it would work better for everyone in the long run (I'm talking about modern nations with constitution and shit, not the feudal/pre-feudal ones).
So it was consent exchange between the people and this new entity of the modern state.
The only problem I see here is that not everyone consented to this but I don't see anything ever happening with 100% people agreeing.

>Implying utilizing the states services is optional
There is law children have to attend grade school. Only government is allowed to run grade schools. What now?

Oh no the lolbertarian autist doesn't think I'm credible.

>The only problem I see here is that not everyone consented to this but I don't see anything ever happening with 100% people agreeing.
Then leave those people out of it? It doesn't become not theft because 90% agreed to it.

>looks at regions with no government/taxes

Lol, yeah, we clearly don't need taxes.

>roads are theft
Hmmmm...

Using taxes to pay for abortions causes lower taxes in the long run, since there will be fewer niggers demanding gibs.

dont know how it works in your country but parents can home school their children if they want to

And if they are fellow Brit, then they are ostracised and thought of as weird and strange.

>hounded from society

This is so fucking retarded.

The people who pay the most taxes are city people, and they are also the ones who use public commodities the most.

You can leave the city at any time you want and become a rural and suburban retard and not pay any taxes, it's just that your quality of life would drop significantly.

I would do so if I was the one creating the nation but there's no way to undo it now.
If modern nations are not legitimate because not everyone consented what is your proposed solution for this?
How do you distribute the land to the private owners?

You can't survive without public commodities. You have to he able to conquer and defend your own territory if you want to be independent. Can't do it on your own? Get some buddies to help. Guess what? You just became a country and the very thing you were fighting against.

there are several angles to refute your silly image

Theft is a term that describes the unlawful act of taking someone's property without consent. Here, unlawful is the important word, because there are also lawful acts of taking someone's property without consent. Taxation is such a thing, in case it's without consent. Most people consent to paying taxes though. This is reasonig by law.

Taxation is the price we pay to live in a civil society because to run a society, you need to pay your share. If you dont, you are a leech getting the advantages of security and cooperation without paying your share, so others have to pay more to cover for you. This is an immoral act. This is reasoning by morality.

Taxation is the voluntary act of living in a society. If you dont want the benefits of society and as such, taxation is taking your property against your will, you can leave society. But then you will not be able to reap the benefits that society offers, which is why you are only posturing about taxation being theft and dont follow through. This reasoning is from freedom of choice.

Your reasoning is fallacious because you try to reap the benefits of living in society without paying your fair share. You consider it theft because you dont believe in the law, and you're too much of a pussy to actually follow through with your reasoning. As such, you unwillingly (or willingly) become a leech if you dont pay your taxes. I bet you do though, lil sissy.

even if you are against taxation, utilizing public services is not hypocritical.

you paid for the services under threat. as much as you would rather pay for the services voluntarily in a free market, you still need the services and you already paid for them because you have no other choice. what you're against is the involuntary nature of taxation, not the services provided. you pay taxes regardless of wether you use the services or not. so the "well u use roads n water n shiet so u need to pay taxes now" point really doesn't hold up, it's sophistry.

And you still have to pay for other people's children to go to school.

why would you do this to yourself? i even gave you a chance to redeem yourself and you blew it.

People who dont live in cities arent forced to pay taxes? wtf is this?

I'm not trying to convince you, I'm trying to understand your autism. Your position is a novelty and regardless you will continue to pay taxes because you're a little cuck and "da man b keepin me down!!"

well that sure is new to me. rural people don't have to pay taxes? where did you get this from?

How does one leave society without being under threat of being put in jail for not paying taxes? You can go innawoods but if they catch you they will be put you in jail.

Let me give you another example

State makes government run a healthcare system. They also subsidize all private clinics so that they aren't run out of business. Where do I go if I want to get healthcare that doesn't use state resources? The answer is I can't. The state has forced me into a position where I can't choose and subsequently uses this to justify it's own thievery by accusing me of "using state resources" (which aren't their resources to begin with).

you're not contributing anything to the conversation.

>rural people don't have to pay taxes?

Not even close to what city people pay.

A restaurant is a privately owned and privately operated business. A government has no legitimate claim to the land it governs, it just demands money from people.

If you dont own property or earn money, you wont be needed to pay taxes. If you own property or earn money, you use societal benefits and should pay taxes.

>You can go innawoods but if they catch you they will be put you in jail
I don't know where do you live but in many countries you don't pay taxes for just existing, just the income tax, the VAT etc.

I'm not against countries you strawmanning cunt. I'm against actions where there are people who don't consent.