What does Sup Forums think of this book

What does Sup Forums think about 1984?

Was Orwell trying to portray the evils of Stalinism or socialism in general?

Wasn't Orwell a socialist himself ?

Please redpill...

It was a utopia
The trash traitors must be get eliminated

I think it has more to do with the terror of absolute authority, using the symptoms of this dystopian regime as warning signs of groups trying to assert power. Read Animal Farm if you want to see him rag on the USSR.

Was Orwell not a socialist himself?

>"peace"' flag

Its scary how accurate it was.

I think Orwell's socialism was closer to national socialism minus the race shit than communist socialism. And the book is clearly about the nihilist strain in socialism that only sees power and will do anything to gain and maintain it. No morals, no truth, nothing but power.

He was a Trot turned Anarchist

It was the book that redpiled me about the relativity of reality. I don't know if it was his intention, but the implicit analysis of reality and objectivity is way more important for me than the political message.

He fought in the Spanish civil war and saw how evil far left socialists actually are.

>far left socialists actually are

Spaniards are, for some reason, very violent people during conflicts. It may not be a left-right thing.

Until he went to the Spanish civil war and came back hating the authoritarianism that socialism breeds. After that he wrote animal farm and 1984, and if you think those aren't an indictment of socialism/communism then you are a retard

If 'for whom the bell tolls' has any basis in truth then you Spanish are fucking barbarians during conflicts

why does the BLM fist have like vampire claws?

>Praises Trotsky in animal farm
>Criticism of Stalin is that he is as bad as capitalists

wew

His turn to Anarcho-Syndicalist politics happened during the Spanish civil war whilst fighting with the Trotskiyte POUM

>"Many of the normal motives of civilized life-snobbishness, money-grubbing, fear of the boss, etc.-had simply ceased to exist. The ordinary class-division of society had disappeared to an extent that is almost unthinkable in the money-tainted air of England; there was no one there except the peasants and ourselves, and no one owned anyone else as his master."

>"One had breathed the air of equality. I am well aware that it is now the fashion to deny that Socialism has anything to do with equality. In every country in the world a huge tribe of party-hacks and sleek little professors are busy 'proving' that Socialism means no more than a planned state-capitalism with the grab-motive left intact. But fortunately there also exists a vision of Socialism quite different from this."

t. Orwell

Spaniards are very agressive during confrontations. The dehumanization of the enemy is very intense even for the most insignificant things, but only if the enemy is another spaniard. Everybody hates each other here.

It sucks, to be honest. No wonder we are hated by many.

>national socialism minus the race shit
Thats just fascism I believe

I think he was trying to show the danger of any system of Government that is incredibly authoritarian in nature. (i.e. Communist/Fascism)

Sup Forums doesn't think, the rest of us are individuals.

I personally believe it to be one of the deepest pieces of literature of the 20th century. Not only because it seems to have been prophetic (The source for this 'foresight' though I believe is due too the TPTB adopting to use it's terrifying setting and create a pseudo real life form of it, all so they can turn around and state "look how bad things are without monarchs,dictatorships, Christendom, papacy etc" as part of a plan to direct consciousness, I digress.)

I think the scariest part of it all though, is one of the later chapters, during which within the novel the protagonist is reading a book, the chapter reads like a book within the book, which is odd because the protagonist is given a book within a book that tells the truth behind the propaganda. As you read it its hard not too feel as if you have become the protagonist, simply because the chapter itself is true. Its like the movie watchmen, where the good guys realise that every bit of evil the villain has done was for the greater good.

If you have half a mind you might end up agreeing with Ingsoc, in which case you've become prisoner 6079 Smith W.

Also if you've read it and still don't agree with Ingsoc take a look at the following experiment of rats in a utopia, sure humans may not be rats, but look at the parallels between that and society today and you'll realise that the similarity are undeniable. Ingsocs purpose was to prevent the degeneracy so rampant in the 21st century. Ingsoc is love.

What trips me out about Spain is how tribal everyone is in the sense that Spain just seems to be a collection of mini nations rather than a country. You guys seem very historically splintered, I can't think of another country like that

You think things would have turned it differently under Snowball? It's an exposition on how human nature is totally unsuited to socialism

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In any realistic socialist model you're always going to need a politburo, and it's very existence is anathemic to the class free principles of Marxism that it will never work and there will be always a struggle for power

1984 is a ultranationalist utopia
the party is literally 1488

Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia :^)

And also this was orwell writing about what he thought before he got shot. After his wounding he was exposed to the failings of socialism and turned to the light, writing about how socialism is inevitably a sham

black "women"

They split up, Spain somehow miraculously stays together even though half of the provinces want autonomy and have different cultures

snowball was shown to be intelligent with grand plans to actually change things and wanted what was 'better' for the other animals.

It may be because while the genetic differences are not that big, sometimes even non-existent, the landscapes, the climate, the culture and even the language are like totally different countries.

The alt right is the Brotherhood aside from the part about it being a ploy set up by the Party

Orwell was libertarian socialist, probably close to what Chomsky advocates. He described how authoritarianism arises (specifically within Marxism-Leninism) and ruins socialism.