Redpill me on communism

Hey can you guy's please redpill me on why communism and socialism is bad.

jewish idea, utopia.

This., Everything that comes from Jews mind is not good

>there is no motivation to work
>you live on the government's land
>your work is owned by the government
>your food is owned by the goverment
>basically you have no rights

Sounds like shit. Why do libs want it?

You can't advance in life

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Sometimes people never grow out of their edgy extremist phase. For the right-wing, that phase is Nazism. For the left, it's communism.

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>ever quoting Th*tcher
She may have been right about socialism, but never post that bitch on here again.

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Fuck you nigger I post what I want

Off-topic bread, mods please do your job.

gobunism redpills incoming

I'm hungry.

Oh wow. Thanks for the redpill guys!

Uhm no sweetie, the edgy phase on right is libertarianism. Then you realize you are the only one playing that game and people left to you will take your property anyways no matter how much you cry NAP NAP NAP NAP

I won't say they rape your wife and kill your kds because libertards never have such things either.

>P-p-political ideology is off-topic on Sup Forums p-p-please mods
>t. butthurt commie

I always laugh when I see stormfags harp on the evils of communism (which is true) but then, in the same sentence, praise National Socialism or Fascism.

Invariably there'll be someone who pulls up a quote of how hitler "defined" his variation of socialism as opposed to communism, but it makes no difference of how it was in practice.

The reason why it's mostly young idiots clinging to communism and thinking it's cool is because a) their parents are feeding them and b) they own no private property of their own. You'd be amazed how fast these faggots change their tune as soon as they hit the real world and begin acquiring property. However, when they're just young dipshits in school all they see is "Oh this means I get free shit" whereas when they get out they realize "Oh shit, I'd basically lose all my shit to people less fortunate." Real life hits them right in the fucking balls and it's hilarious.

What? Is this not a place for politics?

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>redpill me on X

Do you not understand the concept of rules Pablo? Of course ya don't.

It's shit.

marx is buried in a public cemetery. The grave isn't maintained by 'marx enthusiasts', it's maintained by the same board of trustees that look after the 170,000 other graves in the cemetery.

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He was a reporter for like ten years...

It's time for you to go back to deddit you socialist kike

It was founded and owned by the Jew. All the property and guns and power is transferred to the (((state))), with the intellectuals (White people) capable of resisting killed off. The Jew will never relinquish his total domination of the masses, thus "true socialism", the equality of all peoples in control of the means of production without a authoritarian state can never be achieved. It would fail even if the Jew allowed it to happen. Communism is simply a ruse to dupe the Goyim.

Argument 404.
Pablo is also retarded newfriend, what a shocker!

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Nigger, you're corny as fuck and you know the only one who bitches about such mundane things is some weak faggot that knows you get BTFO every single time this topic comes up. Your butthurt is obvious. Also you clearly don't know what the fuck "off-topic" even means considering this thread hasn't been moved yet, so the only newfag here is you, you whiney little bitch.

these ideas are inefficient because they attempt to centralize control and issuing authority which is much more efficient when done from a local level

>jewish idea
Solomon was the first communist

>writing is t-t-t-the same as factory work
kek

>falling for the capitalism Jew
Unrestricted capitalism still bears the same fruit as Marxist socialism, that is Jewish domination of the masses. Its favourable to Communism, but not the final solution

No need to get so angry over getting pointed to the rules of the board.
>lack of moderation == it's ok to do it
Now now, who's thinking like a commie here eh? Damn it Pablo, you`re so fresh it's hardly funny.

Who said I was falling for the jew or in favor of unrestricted capitalism at all? Nigger, I just hate communist idiots with a passion. Everything the faggots touch turns to absolute shit for everyone every single time.

Also as some other user pointed out in another thread, if you're dumb enough to support socialism/communism in the US you're a tool who's supporting literal pedophiles and rapists and should be ashamed of yourself.

Crucially, it fails to understand much less appreciate that entrepreneurial risk is the route to innovation and prosperity. Very often it's a loner or a pair of fellas who have an idea that's disruption. Good luck convincing the collective to hand over some means of production that will disrupt their comfort. (Marx himself was a fan of a dynamic environment, but he failed to understand bureaucracies don't want to shake things up.)

The knock-on effects are catastrophic. Other than sputnik what innovations came from the USSR, Red China, North Korea, Cambodia, etc? These societies even had difficulty even meeting people's basic wants such as soap and toilet paper.

Basically you're stuck with what the collective decides to make available to you.

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>edgy phase
>nazi

t. lolbertarian who thinks the weak and poor starving to death is laughable and evolution

No upwards social mobility unless you are part of the ruling class.

Only Hitler and Stalin and their political friends would have the chance to live in a mansion and own luxuries like a PC, nice car, etc. Meanwhile under capitalism, someone like me who's parents made 40k a year combined and who grew up in the ghetto now lives comfortably making 140k a year through my hard work and personal sacrifice.

Ah right, my apologies. Just see alot of guys who rightly shun communistic retards whilst cheering on unrestricted capitalism as the shining light of equality and justice, whilst the Jew in his savage greed sends cancer suffers into bankrupcy to earn a few more shekels, or lends the poverty stricken old lady a loan she can never pay off

>Then you realize you are the only one playing that game and people left to you will take your property anyways no matter how much you cry NAP NAP NAP NAP

Have fun trying to steal my property you Nazi LARPer. I have some 5.45 waiting for you.

almost no one has or will ever have much private property of their own

With nothing to incentivize work nothing will get done. Capitalism works because people want to be rich.

5.56*

It's essentially 100% tax, think about that for a moment.

If you are taxed 100%, why work? You don't. Therefore the government forces you to work, what ever you accomplish, grow or create is taken by the government and is done with as they see fit.

If there is any suspition you aren't working hard for glorious communism or hiding anything naturally that means you are breaking the law, a criminal and sent to the gulag.

When the collective has priority over the individual, the individual becomes a slave to the collective/government, it's that simple. The French Revolution under Robespierre is the most pure example of collective>individual ideology taken to its logical extreme. The way he talks is exactly how commies, socialists and almost every leftist talks like to varying degree now and through out history.

Capitalism "works" because people have no option but to enter into the wage relation or starve.

Under communism, everyone would be free to do the work that they want to do. Humans naturally enjoy labor, when it is not alienated by the relations of capitalism.

Exactly. Why risk opening a business, dealing with massive stress, working 80 hours a week running it for the first several years, risk it failing which most businesses do, etc. If you could lose it all once Hitler or Stalin sees your success and acuses you of being a Jew or bourgeoisie, kills your family in front of you and then sends you to concentration camp or gulag?

why would anyone want to deal with massive stress and work 80 hours a week just to become the personification of some meager collection of capital?

The vast majority of people do not automatically get to live comfortably through hard work in capitalistic societies
>Ruling class
You mean the people whom own all the banks, companies and shares? There exists a ruling class in capitalism, just as it does in communism

Speak for yourself loser.

>everyone would be free to do the work that they want to do

The work I want is to be the evaluator of tasty food and drink, great entertainment, and comfy beds. I shall write reviews of these.

Thank you, communism.

>Hitler
>Communist
Ah, your that kind of retard

what private property do you own or think that most normal people will have?

Literally everything around you that you call life was invented by men who worked 80 hour weeks.

Hitler was a socialist. "Nationalization" of industries was a way of removing private control and relegating it to the state. He wasn't a communist, but both Nationalism and Communism are two sides of the same coin.

what private property do you own or think that most normal people will own?

Note that we're not talking about personal property. Communists aren't interested in your personal property, no one is coming to collectivize your toothbrush, your iPhone or your comic book collection.

We will be seizing the toothbrush and iPhone factories though :)

No problem. There's a solution somewhere but socialism/communism has failed so many times that it's obvious that it cannot nor will it ever be the solution to anything. It's an ideology of the state stripped any and all humanity from a person, dehumanizing them, and turning them into cattle. The most hilarious thing about it is the idiot teenagers in the US consider themselves proles when in reality if they're here posting on Sup Forums from a personal computer/$600 iphone/etc. they are the definition of bouge themselves and would be slaughtered as soon as the real "workers" had their revolution. This ties hand-in-hand with faggots in the US finding oppression anywhere and everywhere there is none just for the sake or arguing and whining. They've failed at capitalism due to their own poor life choices, their own shortcomings, their own failures and they want to play the "eternal victim" and blame everyone including "the system" instead of taking personal responsibility and being accountable for their own actions.

If you succeed you were either a Jew and necked or you were supposed to pay 90% of you income to the state to support the socialist party.

Most people are lazy shits. If they don't have to work they will sit around jerking off all day. Sure someone might get bored enough to carve a table but it's not enough to keep a society afloat.

>Hitler
>Nationalization

The word "privatization" was literally invented to describe Nazi economic policy.

I am not a NatSoc but from what I can figure it might we the one time the line about it not being real socialism works for them.
Monetarily I don't think he just printed money out of thin air but instead printed money to pay government works who then bought goods to get the money moving. I don't know when or if this printing would necessarily end but it kind of makes sense to me as I understand money is just a translatable unit of exchange for time or production.
Private property and small businesses were encouraged as well from what I understand.
Taxation however I have not looked into.
Honestly I think Hitler was a troll and he named his shit socialism for the same reasons we have the Democratic Republic of bull shit undemocratic hellhole.
A second point however would be that the fact its got SOC in it scares the shit out of normies thanks to the anti red propaganda though it got co-opted and phased out. Fucking Molock worshipers.

How about you seize my cock with your lips instead and blow me? It would be more entertaining than you stupid fucks larping about a revolution that will never happen.

There's a book called The Gulag Archipelago that's worth a read if you wanna know all the details

I don't know about you, but eventually I start to go fucking crazy if I don't have something I'm working on, whether that's for work, for the socialist movement or for personal enjoyment.

People would be fine with working 4 or 6 hours a day.

>why would anyone want to deal with massive stress and work 80 hours a week

Believe it or not, some people are wired that way. But it's more than just work under the direction of others for 80 hours. These people have an idea and want to bring the manifestation of it to the market. If it's a good product or service people may see its utility and entrepreneur's 'bet' is vindicated and pays off. If it's shite, it's back to the drawing board or give up. But the key thing is this: the person chose this path and no one was compelled to support him, reward a crap product, etc.

>Humans naturally enjoy labor
What humans enjoy is the fruits of their labour. Communism takes away the fruits

He nationalized businesses that worked against the interests of the state/worker. He left those who treated the German worker and state correctly in private control, whilst creating financial incentives so those businesses would thrive
>Two sides of the same coin
Capitalism and Communism are two sides of the same coin, in that they place no value on the individual. He is but a pawn to exploit to advance the power and control of a select (((few))). Natsoc was the ideological opposite of communism.

Nazis conducted an unprecedented expansion of the welfare state and government control over the economy/industry. The National Socialists struck alliances with powerful industrialists like Krupp and Thyssen to bring about total, hegemonic control of those industries. It was by its very nature socialization of industry - the very antithesis of privatization.

"Lenin is the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between Communism and the Hitler faith is very slight."

Wanna know who said that?

That's called Self-Actualization, user. It's one of Maslow's essentials in the Hierarchy of Human Needs and it's what communists try to stomp out at any and every turn given the chance. This is why they'll never gain a real foothold in the US because they're told to fuck off every single time and if they don't, once they've reached a tipping point, they're either beat to death or shot in the street.

>He nationalized businesses that worked against the interests of the state/worker.

Fucking lmao. This is the absolute definition of socialism. I knew you were stupid but I didn't also think you were blind.

>Capitalism and Communism are two sides of the same coin, in that they place no value on the individual.

Yawn. Want me to recite a few quotes?

"We are living in an age of great radical change, as I have said before—an evolution from individualism to socialism, from self-interest to the public interest, from the ‘I’ to the ‘we.’ "

"Only then will it be possible to work jointly to find and travel the road from individualism to socialism without revolution"

" In socialism of the future…what counts is the whole, the community of the Volk. The individual and his life play only a subsidiary role. He can be sacrificed—he is prepared to sacrifice himself should the whole demand it, should the commonwealth call for it."

Hitler was a authoritarian, totalitarian collectivist socialist. The very same type of operation of Communism, only with a different group (NatSoc being Tribe, with Communism being Class).

>Hey can you guy's please redpill me on why communism and socialism is bad.

Six Worst famines of the 20th century:
China 1958-62
Soviet Union 1921-22
Soviet Union (Ukraine) 1932-34
North-west China 1927
China (Henan) 1943
North Korea 1995-99

This is the problem with you socialist/communists cucks. You don't know enough about how capitalism works vs. a communist economic system, so you have to bring up a strawman (hurdur nazis) so you actually have something to argue against. It's pretty fucking sad desu. If communism/socialism was so great, you'd be able to defend it on it's actual merits as opposed to just scapegoating to "well hey, at least it's better than nazis amirite? (which it provably wasn't based on starvation deaths alone). Meanwhile, you think people don't see and understand what I just described because you assume you're just on some other level of intellect. What you need to understand is, across the globe 99.9% of people spit on you, smack you around, and want to literally kill you. Maybe, just maybe, the problem isn't all these billions of "uneducated" plebs, maybe the problem is you. Just some food for thought. These people don't hate communism for no reason, afterall.

The communists claim they want to create self actualised men, yet can't even meet a man's physiological needs. Because that goes awry it threatens the legitimacy of the system, so it responds by violating man's needs for security, belongingness, and accomplishment.

How is this relevant to my post? I'm not a communist. I despise both Communism and Nazism, really any form of socialism.

C'mon, everyone loves Thatcher because of how she ripped the unions a new asshole, something our government hadn't had the balls to do in almost a century, not to mention how she dealt with hunger striking scum.

I never claimed he did not implement socialist policies if he believed it would benefit the worker/people. Just that he was not a Communist

People were allowed to own property, small businesses were allowed to flourish, large businesses were kept private if they treated the worker properly

Fagget

Precisely. The blueprint for communism calls for the complete destruction of tradition, of the family unit, of religion or any other thing they consider a threat to the bureaucracy and that actually allow or assists man/woman in their own goals for Self-Actualization. It's literal slavery. They try to muddy the waters all the time and act like this isn't a focus of their ideology when it very clearly is. It's enslavement, not liberation, and they completely ignore Maslow's hierarchy. The turn it upside down and argue stupid degenerate shit like gay marriage is a human right/need while the actual, very real, human needs of modern people are perverted and ignored. Fuck that nonsense.

In it's essence it's over promise and under deliver. In the marketplace a capitalist goes bankrupt doing so, but not so in communis, The entire country must collapse to restore sanity.

Every action we have in the market is a vote; it inherently has continuous checks and balances (though corruption can happen, so some rules are needed).

No. Not really.

>Why do libs want it?
So its not just equality for all in Communism. It's been acknowledged by most Communist thinkers that a cadre of elites need to be at the top to direct the masses.

Why do libs support it? Because they imagine that they will be at the top directing the death squads. Some people actually just want to be the death squads.

If liberals really believed in their leftwing shit, they would organise their lives to live in communes and share profits etc. But they don't. They love their consumerism and all the benefits and products from a (somewhat) capitalist society.

It's the same shit as when non-whites bitch about "white supremacy". I tell them there are tons of non-white countries they can move to, if its SO BAD here. And they don't. Because they are comfortable here and deep down they know the system works. It's all about having power to hurt the people they hate and control over other people.

A house is not private property, unless you are renting it. Your personal items are personal property, property of you, the worker. A factory, a farm, an apartment building; these are private property. Property owned by a capitalist, property that exploits the worker.

Its not that they are bad philosophies. Its just that we as people are bad.

But no worse than say, a rat. Or a baboon.

So...........we're fine.

>He was a reporter for like ten years...
If he were alive today, he'd be a hipster faggot writing about the political significance of shoving things up his ass.

Again I must refer you back to this post Hitler's insistence on retaining private property has little relevance on the socialist policies forced onto the economy. Indeed, he felt that any type of economic individualism would be first experienced after the second world war. Hitler's socialism was sine qua non form of socialism with state control of the forces of production guided through state command. Markets played an insignificant, exaggerated role. They were only "private" in name - the state directed its operation.

Spot on.

>The vast majority of people do not automatically get to live comfortably through hard work in capitalistic societies
More comfortable than under communism. Plus, what's comfort? No not everyone lives in luxury, but then again, what basic needs aren't being met? In the UK, extreme poverty is extremely rare and even then, we can see the correlation with low IQ, substance abuse, and lack of discipline.