its impossible to decode hence why they still use it.
Blake Campbell
Bog if true
Luis Jenkins
It's impossible to have a running cipher for them. I'm not arguing that. But individual messages can be decoded given enough time, though by then, the information is obsolete. Seriously, you're that fucking butthurt someone is trying to figure out a puzzle?
Christopher Peterson
Why is it impossible to decode?
Luke Scott
I'm not butthurt bro. by all means go for it.
Nathaniel Howard
skytendies :(
Connor Taylor
They change the codes everyday. So unless you have that days ledger you won't know what they mean.
Jordan Ross
>But individual messages can be decoded No they can not. Read a book. Learn what 'one time pad' means.
Liam Stewart
Well Best Korea's radio is gone quite now. Did it happen?
Luke Robinson
Ah thanks info.
Xavier Bennett
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad#Perfect_secrecy "Claude Shannon proved, using information theory considerations, that the one-time pad has a property he termed perfect secrecy; that is, the ciphertext C gives absolutely no additional information about the plaintext. This is because, given a truly random key which is used only once, a ciphertext can be translated into any plaintext of the same length, and all are equally likely. Thus, the a priori probability of a plaintext message M is the same as the a posteriori probability of a plaintext message M given the corresponding ciphertext."
Matthew Sanchez
I can't ask access to website by phone is there any app that allows me to listen to the radio
Jason Price
Callsigns can sometimes be recognized. we had a message for >DARK1-3 in the last thread DARK is the callsign for the 7th Bomber Wing, '1-3' is the callsign for a specific aircraft in that wing
Jason Rodriguez
Doesn't mean an old code can't be deciphered. It may take years, and by that point the information is pointless, but it can be done. It was done with Enigma. Everyday new set. Deciphered months later when the data was useless.
Learn to read moron.
Nicholas Lopez
Ciphers and cryptography always interested me. Although I barely understand it. Even as a software developer. Hence I don't try to roll my own cryptos. As one shouldn't.
Oliver Phillips
I don’t hear shit.
Anthony Roberts
source?
Xavier Lopez
Fun fact, you probably won't. Give it like 30mins-6 hours lol
Bentley Bell
I understand what a one time pad is. However, if you go through the possible permutations removing known, used, or otherwise overly simplistic codes, you're are bound to find it. It just takes time. For example, removing all variants of a Cesar cipher, you've just removed a series of unneeded attempts.
Charles Reed
One time pads are not like enigma. There is NO algorithm. There is ZERO relation between characters of the message. There is no way to use a crib.
You. Can. Not. Crack. Them.
Evan Sanchez
There haven't been messages for about 2 hours now. I think this is covers everything:
1.10PM EDT Sep 3rd 2017
Message 1: Original For: Dark 1 3 Y U 2 K K V Y 5 7 6 B C G A G 5 F I G E K B D Y 6 7 M U C D
Message 2: Original For: customliner cool cress Y U 4 7 7 J I F 5 Y F F F 2 G F G S C 2 F O X A J M 3 T L X
1:23PM EDT Message 1: Original B A I A Z 4 6 Z F R D W P F B A E P H 2 X 2 Z A 7 S R 7 F W
2:00PM EDT Message 1: Original Y U R E 7 X 4 7 X 6 N P T V J 7 L 7 X K I S 5 6 D D S S P J 2 A A E Z K
2:40PM EDT Message 1: Original For Rental Y U U V X P U H Z 6 X D J C I U 4 5 4 G I V I I V F S N 7 R
3:20PM EDT Message 1: Original YUJUPMPZIQCM7BWWWFGA2VCWT2VCBJ2TGH5A5MZ2ILN3W4MC2DRIOJG647GLVVIOC3F5A5MZ2I233F4MC2DRW
Jose Clark
I don't know who you think you're dealing with but this user literally decodes Ovaltine ciphers in his sleep and WITHOUT the decoder ring.
Aaron Murphy
It is not a fucking cipher. Jesus Christ shut up. There is no fucking algorithm. It is pure random noise, NOT pseudo-randomly generated. PURE.
Isaiah Wood
Penis water pistol Britbong was asking about a cheaper receiver with SSB in the previous thread. Have a nosey at the Tecsun PL-660. I bought one from user-co on ebay for around £80 delivered. They're in Hong Kong so it'd take about a week to arrive.
Hunter Allen
The Forward Deployed Lancers at Andersen AFB, Guam are from the 28th Bomb Wing out of Ellsworth. The 7th Bomb Wing just returned stateside to Dyess AFB in early August after 6 months Forward deployment at Andersen.
Liam Nguyen
reporting in
Henry Jackson
Explain how it's purely randomly generated? ... Riiight...
You're still thinking that a code is the same thing as a cipher. It's not.
Let's have a character strings of >Xray Zulu 3 Bravo 9 Alpha 4 6 1 >Yankee Zulu 3 Alpha 3 3 6 Charlie Papa >Papa Uniform 2 Lima Oscar 5 2 3 5
These three messages, under the same encoding, can all mean >the same thing >different things >nothing >a combination thereof
Add into that, you can change what they mean without changing the encoding scheme at all. During every even hour, maybe you swap the designation of the filing cabinets where 1 is now 3, 3 is two, and 2 is one, during odd hours, it's 1=1, 2=2, 3=3, and on Tuesdays at midnight you swap the contents of the folders. The 6th of every month, you might get entirely new contents for each of the folders...and all of this is ignoring the fact that there could be multiple levels of authentication. Like maybe the first three characters are your authentication, but you add in "if ever there are two consecutive characters the same in a transmission after the authentication block, even if the message is otherwise authenticated, the message is not authentic"...etc. etc. etc.
You can't know the universe of possible messages and without that you can't even begin to figure out what portion of the message is the authentication, what's the actual message, and within the message how many characters are given to a given division of of the possible decoded states. Maybe a filing cabinet gets one character, maybe 8. The folder designation might get 4, or 3, or 2, or 1, and so on. Hell, they have goddamn filing cabinets that open to different compartments based on what key you use.
If you don't know the setup, you can't begin to figure out what's being said. The importance of these stations isn't in figuring out what's being said, it's noticing that something's being said at all.
Justin Russell
Some religious junk.. 13845 at a wide 4.16 filter makes it very clear.
Isaiah Sanders
SHould I buy a Baofeng BF-F8HP? What would I be able to do with this shitty chicom setup?
Grayson White
Another message NOROM UOY SIHT EDOCED OT GNIYRT POTS
Anyone got any clue?
Christopher Murphy
Shortwave is full of stuff like that. So you mean to tell me, even browsing though all the possible permutations for the transmitted code there is absolutely no way to decode anything whatsoever? Go on spookmaster, teach this padawan.
Ayden Gutierrez
Yes. There is an algorithm. IT CALLED LANGUAGE YOU FUCKING MORON. If the message makes actual fucking SENSE, it can be cracked.
The code may be random, and that makes it difficult, but the underlying message is not. That means it can be cracked. Just not in a timely manner.
The transmitted code has no relation to the plaintext other than its length... there are many 'sensible' permutations of any given length of plaintext. You're also ignoring that the code may not be in plain English to keep the character count down.
Carter Collins
What do you want to do with it? That's the question? For example, in Chicago, police are still running an analog system for their radios, you can listen in, even broadcast. I wouldn't suggest the later. You can use them on FRS/GMRS frequencies, now it's compatible with bubble pack radios. You know someone with a MURS radio? Great, now you can talk to them with it. I've used mine to intercept packet data as well. Though a bit poorly, the receive on those is finicky at best.
Ethan Williams
have you got an audio of that doom?
Ayden Martin
Don't buy the HP.
It will make batteries die fast on high power and you risk an RF burn especially on UHF.
Get yourself a UV-B5, which is a nice little dual bander or the UV-5X3 which is a tri-bander which gives you 220.
Ethan Thompson
>So you mean to tell me, even browsing though all the possible permutations for the transmitted code there is absolutely no way to decode anything whatsoever? Go on spookmaster, teach this padawan. Yes. Because that's not where the message is. The message is in the paper in the folder. The transmission is just pointing you to the intended folder.
It's like, say I send this message: >gnilcricerasdrazzubeht You, in your infinite skill, would quickly notice that it's just "the buzzards are circling" backwards. Ok, and? Wtf does that mean? Now suppose before I sent that, I talked with the guy I sent it to and said, alright, if I send you this, it means to get me a pizza. You have no way of knowing that. You can watch the receiver at the message is received to see what they do, but you won't be sure that's what I told him because he's going to do a shitton of stuff other than get that pizza...and even that requires figuring out who the receiver is. Imagine I sent that to my entire phone contact list of 300 people. Now you've got to watch them all and try to figure it out.
"In fact, it is possible to "decrypt" out of the ciphertext any message whatsoever with the same number of characters, simply by using a different key, and there is no information in the ciphertext which will allow Eve to choose among the various possible readings of the ciphertext."
You didn't even read the fucking wikipedia entry, let alone actually do one by hand. You're a fucking moron.
Bentley Russell
Anythoughts on this ?
Ryan Hughes
Nagoya is over-rated over-priced.
The Baofeng 6.5 inch dual band antenna is fine. The 220 antenna which is a little closer to 7 inches also is good for listening to FM broadcast.
Henry Johnson
This shit makes me proud because I was the one that introduced it here. Now it has turned into Windtalkers irl.
Fucking glorious!
Eli Watson
Another one now, didn't record
Henry Jenkins
was just radio check
Brayden Hall
You know what, I'm not even going to bother talking to the "can't be cracked" fags anymore. It's just the same thing, "It can't be done." I'll just leave you guys to your little pissing contest. I do it for fun, out of boredom. I do it because I'm curious. Hell, if things weren't done because people told them it was impossible, nothing would ever be done. Sadly, the output of the UV-5X3 is pretty bad on 220. Most of my tests showed barely 1 watt out on three different ones. Unless it was improved over the past 4 months.
Sorry for being a burden guys but can anyone explain what skyking is? I am fully versed on kryptos. I see these threads a lot but always pass them by.
Henry James
To go a little further, sigint of this kind isn't analyzed in the way you're thinking about analyzing it.
It's analyzed by attempting to create correlations between broadcasts and events. With this flurry of activity, if I were say, Chinese intel, I'd be looking to see what units are doing what, especially trying to find one that's doing something that it doesn't normally do under these circumstances. One or two instances won't tell me much, but, over time, if someone isn't paying attention and a pattern starts forming, I might be able to figure out that this kind of transmission is instructions to say strategic bomber units...or, as the case likely is, they want me to think that these are messages to strategic bomber units.
Recall, the people sending these know literally everyone is listening. They also know what kind of stuff the people listening tend to pay attention to.
Joseph Lewis
That is my original is not out there anywhere else.
Ayden Murphy
just want to listen mostly, only would broadcast in a situation where the FCC is no longer relevant. Don't know anything about programming or CHIRP but i love listening and I'm sick of utwente. So my question is this? What does it do? What did I just buy?
Liam Sanchez
Look up "numbers stations" for an idea.
Jace Butler
Dude, it can't be done, kek get rekt.
Ethan Morris
US Air Force communications system. Skyking is a priority message. They send less important traffic via "All stations" ("standby while I transmit this message unless you have Skyking or Foxtrot traffic, please.")
We can't crack them, we're just interested in the amount of calls and unusual calls.
Lincoln Reed
Watch that movie about Enigma.. Imitation Game.
You're not *that* bored.
Matthew Green
Thanks
Ryan Barnes
Thanks
Chase Parker
nope, there you were dealing with ciphers, not codes. Codes are an entirely different ballpark from ciphers.
Caleb Cox
It won't pick up what Twente picks up. You need an HF All Band receiver.
You can build an mcHF for under $300, or you can buy a Chinese stolen design for $600. (Recent RS-918SSB) or Get a Shortwave HamBro recommends in these threads.
The BaoFengs are for local HAM stuff, mostly.
Kayden Ross
Just listening, go cheap. New versions of the Baofeng UV-5R have a working SSI (signal strength indicator), which was a surprise for me to see when I was programming someones radio. CHIRP is a pretty simple programming suite for use on quite a few radios. It works pretty well too. You just need a cable. You can pick them up cheap as well. Also, just about any other antenna beyond the shitty one you get with it. Look up "Radio Reference" online. It's a good site to use. You can look up your county and get frequency lists for just about everything there from police, to city services, to schools, to taxis, etc.
Christopher Bennett
Idk I like this layout of coded message.
James Robinson
Good time, I caught the aids
Isaiah Jones
g-guys
Ian Wright
Make the scrolling text comic sans, I see you adjusting it.
Matthew Long
fake and gay
Anthony Kelly
If this thread somehow managed to (even accidentally) crack a message, would everyone get v&ed?
Jeremiah Hughes
>south korea launches ballistic missile test >test count
Austin Long
Yea old Putin is going to send him back to the stone age. 6th nuclear test. They say 7th is the lucky number.
Owen Bailey
When did this station become so dead?
I remember it transmitting every few minutes in the past.
Eli Foster
It's not illegal in most countries to listen to things on the radio.
No one can crack these ciphers or they wouldn't use them. Say, somehow, an user leaked a code book and we read a message, only the leaker could get in any real trouble. (But then the cipher is used up and we won't be able to read the next one.)
Joseph Watson
Sigh...you can't. As in 100% you absolutely cannot decode these messages, especially since most of them there is nothing to decode.
(I meant 8992 in prev msg) and what did I just miss on 11175?!
Landon Baker
ayylmaos
Justin Anderson
Is "Original" DC?
Juan Gray
Interference. 8992 is prone to that from JORN, PLUTO II and localized interference.
Park on 11175 to not pick up unrelated sounds.
Jayden Bailey
I cracked it. They said it's habbedin
Thomas Flores
A test message
Colton Gonzalez
This is why I don't leave it on 8992. You get shit like this.
Asher Brooks
Stupid nigger it's mathematically proven to be impossible and even simple logic dictates that any message of same length fits so you can never know the message. You are so fucking dumb, neck yourself jiggaboo
Leo Baker
Andrews (Air Force Base) would be D.C. (Andersen would be Guam, Diego would be Diego Garcia, Puerto Rico would be Puerto Rico, et al).
Original is the callsign of a station today that is suspected of being a mobile command post like a Nightwatch or Mercury.
