Should free speech be defended even for those who advocate it's abolition...

Should free speech be defended even for those who advocate it's abolition? for those who abuse it to spread hate and encourage violence against minorities?

what are some books about the philosophical principle of free speech?

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>defending niggers
>doesn't understand what white nationalists even stand for

You're retarded. More so that you want to argue about free speech

>instant hostility
>jumping to unwarranted conclusions
>doesn't understand what white nationalists even stand for right back at ya

Quality discourse, user.

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That's the hard questions aren't they OP? It's a very difficult situation. I heard somewhere "you have the right to say what you want, but you don't have the right to absolve yourself from the consequences" I think that's good. People SHOULD be able to say what they want, but the problem is that people are stupid. If someone gets up on stage and starts spewing hate speech, he's going to incite hate crimes, and that's a public danger. I think it's fair (and important) to regulate that kind of thing. It's no longer about personal opinion at that point. I'm not talking about asshole behavior though, I mean actual dangerous speeches- and that's good for the public, but it also leaves a lot of room for that kind of thing to be abused by people who want to police the way people think, and that's the problem.

Read John Locke
>False and doubtful positions, relied upon as unquestionable maxims, keep those who build on them in the dark from truth. Such are usually the prejudices imbibed from education, party, reverence, fashion, interest, et cetera

Kind of hard to decide what constitutes a public danger when your public is divided into hundreds of feuding factions and sub-factions. But yeah Burgerstand, diversity is strength. Sail that course right to the bottom of the ocean. China will make for an infinitely superior global hegemon.

Charlottesville proves the American "Left" are fucking clowns. Something resembling a "Nazi" rally finally happened and they were all like TIKITIKITIKITIKITIKITIKITIKITIKITIKITIKITIKITIKITIKITIKITIKITIKI. All concern for the Political context was superseded by a meaningless aesthetic formality. It wouldn't have even been on the news otherwise.

what if i think you are saying something dangerous and hateful to me, and i get a bunch of my friends and we all vote to kill you

thats democratic, right?

well, im glad that was so simple

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No, hate speech is free speech whether you like it or not. Unless you are explicitly telling people to go out and hurt others or infringe on their rights, you are (and should be) protected in your speech. This goes both ways of course. Nazis, communists, feminists, fascists, etc are all entitled to speak their mind without legal repercussions.

why are teens so mad that Sup Forums has a literature board, did their dads beat them up with books

gotta admit made in china walmart tiki torches were kinda lazy and inauthentic

I don't take seriously people who use the term "hate-speech" unironically.

yes

>the kkk has had to reach out to suburbanite hipsters for new factions
i think it's telling that they left jews join a couple years before these home depot card holders.

they gave that guy a year in prison for dropped a bacon sandwich on the street?

the speech that should be punished with violence is the suggestion that we should limit free speech

by suggesting removing free speech you are threatening to hold a gun to my head. i dont react to that by chooaing to ignore it.

if you suggest i chooae to ignore your threat, i suggest i will hold a gun to your head but that you cannot react to defend yourself until i pull the trigger, because until the trigger pull i have not committed violence

bacon's valuable, son

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why are teens so mad that Sup Forums has a literature board, did their dads beat them up with books

Don't forget that whole march was organized by a guy who 18 months ago was a liberal. It was all a setup to discredit Trump, and the alt-right. And it worked, but Dems still gonna lose in 2020 because they still don't get it. Tranny rights and tax cuts for Goldman Sachs are not a platform that is gonna get any votes.

this desu

i lobbed a dictionary at a guy who told me sticks and stones could break his bones but words would never hurt him. only bruised him, so neither here nor there on verifying that adage.

>hoppean
>implying your sort isn't autistic enough to hold a gun to head of people you don't like anyway

>it's all a false flag!
>they were merely pretending to be expressing the political views we silly Sup Forumssters unironically believe in! don't worry about it it was all a hoax! we wouldn't actually take to the streets and say the dumb shit we say 24/7 on chinese cartoon boards!

for all the irony Sup Forums deals in they can't quite process it themselves

it wasn't a "false flag", it was a way to pin the neonazi tag on trump, and it worked since i'm sure you unironically believe trump is both a nazi and a russian agent, kys

communists explicitly threaten to kill people who dont support revolution in theor core doctrine

why should we give them a chance to try it?

This. The libs ran a classic 'false flag' op against the right by voicing some of the right's opinions.

>le meme magic, praise kek threads everywhere
>the autists latching onto this come out irl
>NO NO THATS NOT US YOU FUCKING REDDITOR NEWFAG
what did Sup Forums mean by this

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yes, anyone who votes for the republican party is clearly a neonazi fascist who pepeposts on Sup Forums! the only non-fascist option going forward is to vote for the democratic party, anything else is a hate crime.

You're the only one injecting politics into the argument you stupid reddit fuck

yes I'm sure every single one of them were paid to go out there to discredit trump, they weren't actually expressing their beliefs as emboldened by trump and I'm sure none of those groups (even if they hypothetically weren't there to be paid by soros to discredit trump, which they definitely were) felt emboldened by him or even scrambled to their websites to say that trump approved of what they did after he failed to denounce them

So you do support the left destroying history and southern heritage?

Urgh, discussion is instantly poisoned by Sup Forums scum.

yes, clearly the unite the right rally represents the 150 million or so members of the republican party and not couple dozen nazis from the deep south, they're totally the same, anyone who votes republic is literally worse than hitler and basically Sup Forums

you mean all the monuments that were erected in the 60s and 70s as a symbolic pushback to blacks wanting to be able to drink from the same water fountain as white people?

>southern heritage

Wow, spooky.

Yeah

This. It begins with controlling what is said, then with controlling what is thought -- or taught -- then controlling what is done. This is the logical sequence of things, the subterfuge of speech politics known to all who can read the writing on the wall.

>Should free speech be defended even for those who advocate it's abolition?
You mean Muslims and socialists?

man, you are fucking stupid, the people at the rally unironically believed their own bullshit, but the trick was getting fools like you to think that represents trump's base, man manipulating plebs is too fucking easy, see you at the next cop bashing rally to remove ulysses s. grant statues, right before the next election that you lose again, idiot

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You're too late. A bunch of other geniuses already used that brilliant >lolumeentheleft "joke".

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it's over

Did I enter a thread full of Aliens?

Fuck you spacenigger

it's a /lit/ thread that was moved here for being off topic

This is why you don't shill on Sup Forums. It will get moved and you will get called out for being part of shareblue.

>aliens are infesting /lit/
It's time to burn some books I guess.

So this thread is from /lit/ huh? And here i am thinking that the people over there were actually smart. Sad!

No, it is treason. Free Speech is a 2-way door

>even for those who advocate its abolition?

Commies self-identifying themselves is alright by me

>the speech that should be punished with violence is the suggestion that we should limit free speech
this

>thread got moved to Sup Forums instead of /bant/
What is this sorcery?

the kikes cannot survive without "muh free speech". the kikes know that the best strategy to marginalize white nationalism is to ignore it and mock it. if you try to outlaw it, it just makes its members commit to all out war and heavy handed repression will make those on the fence fall into active membership. then every time they crack down harder, more normies are affected and caught up in it. if they just ignore it and/or ridicule it, it doesn't grow.

unfortunately for the the, there is just something about that swastika symbol that turns a cold calculating kike into a shrieking, hysterical animal. when the kikes chimp out, we win. charlottesville was a big win.

They had their narrative all ready to go, just a few ignorant inbred crackers marching get beat up by the heroic townspeople, but then... the car of peace, changed the whole narrative. The kike media went hysterical ape shit. They lost control of the narrative and Trump landed a haymaker on them with the "both sides at fault". now the kike media has to defend antifa and BLM and removing Washington and Jefferson monuments. normies react and the democrats get BTFO on 2018.

that is exactly why terrorism is effective and why the swastika is a good symbol

>even for those who advocate it's abolition? for those who abuse it to spread hate and encourage violence against minorities?
These two things are very much not the same

why would someone shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane?

Free speech is a modern convention stemming from an enlightenment philosophy of the market place of ideas.

This postulates that the ideas with the greatest merit propagate while those without die. (Memetics).

However speech is a means of violence. People motivated by ideologies eventually fall to purity spirals where speech is only reigned in after an orgy of violence.

This is the ultimate result of any society that allows unbridaled free speech. Whether it is the crusades led by the aesthetic monks who saw their entire army killed in their unwise and unprepared religious zeal.

Or the purges in Italy where they burned anyone including those with live letters. Or the witch hunts the inquisition etc.

Free speech is a valuable commodity but like economics it does best in a well regulated environment.

The (((Jews))) and their predecessors the Wasp destroyed the fundamental regulations on speech.

This forced the transition from puritanical culture to degenerate gynocentric cultural Marxism. And to be honest, as perhaps one of the foremost scholars in the world on the subject, no one knows how it will end.

Hopefully our economic prosperity and scientific progress will override the typical outcomes. But heaven knows that it no longer follows instinct: what we are trying as a social experiment goes against human cognitive biases.

We will see how necessary and predictive those instincts and biases actually are.

>that is exactly why terrorism is effective
Hi Agent Johnson

We don't want to abolish free speech, though. Free speech was never formally abolished in Nazi Germany, only limited due to a state of emergency.

>Hi Agent Johnson
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Hello friends
I know we have some grudge between our boards, but you are welcome here anytime

free speech is an all or nothing deal... you cant go half way. its the responsibility of the people to reject idiotic/destructive ideas, not government to regulate which ideas are idiotic/destructive... am i right or am i wrong??

As one contemporary russian poet said,
> NO FREEDOM TO THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM
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>that is exactly why terrorism is effective and why the swastika is a good symbol