So what now?

Ever since we've moved from traditionalism to the post modern dating/marriage culture, marriage and birth rates have tanked, single motherhood have become the norm, both women and men are more miserable than their grand parents generation, more beta males are becoming incels, and as a result of all this, white countries are slowly killing themselves with low fertility rates. These days, our countries high immigration rates are justified because of this real problem of our dysfunctional dating culture and lifestyle, which has led to low population growth. It's clear that the post modern dating culture and marriage 2.0 is slowly destroying the west. So what should we replace post modern dating culture/marriage with?

And please no sexist answers, women are empowered and unless society goes back to the stone age, solutions that rely on the reinstatement of the patriarchy won't be practical or realistic.

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Ignore roasties and let them die with 9 cats lol

White sharia

>traditionalism
>no sexist

>couples with genes fit for procreation will procreate
>others won't

it will solve itself, just kill the mudslims to be safe

>No sexist answers
>The demographic problem is literally a result of feminist policies by the state, both through girl-focused education (Boys are dropping out substantially, not getting taught properly, male teachers are less present due to assumptions of child abuse) employment (Because of diversity hiring being a positive for companies, hiring a woman just because of her being a woman, is more beneficial then hiring a trained doctorate for the job whcih is male) and the encouragement of woman's behaivour akin to the more degenerate men

Your problem, is quite literally because of the state's focus on women.
Don't get me wrong, I love me a lady, but there ain't no solution to this which is one sided. It takes two to tango, both men and women will have to mature.

Unfortunately, there's far too much state/corporate encouragement of causal, degenerative behaviour that there's probably no solution to this unless people start fearing the decline of the people they love.

This ain't a solution, but this should make you understand what I'm saying.

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I've been to Germany. You should know that the only people who're having children are single mother unemployed whales and immigrants. Most whites who would be considered "fit" for having children are in fact the demography least likely to have children. Being childless is now the it thing for most Germanic's elite and middle class unfortunately. We are experiencing dysgenics in Europe

>And please no sexist answers, women are empowered
You answered yourself in your own post. Women are "EMPOWERED" and hence everything is fucked up.
Modern western society is an exception to the norm, women have been second class nobodies and nothings for most of the human experience.
I know you want men to be traditionalist AND give women feminism, OP, but that's not possible in the long run. That's just LARPing, and it gets old fast.

you are forgetting Japan, there is no way that they are like us in terms of gender equality yet they are still tanking in population like us...ie gender roles are still the more traditional over there but they still have the same fertility problems

Replace it with people not prioritizing having a significant other and generating value to society by being an extremely conscientious and independent person.

I'm only interested in realistic solutions. We are never going back to traditional roles, even if I wanted to make it happen. Patriarchy and traditionalism only worked because women were dependant on men for survival throughout much of recorded human history. Now that they don't need men for protection or as providers, they would never tolerate a patriarchal system. Blame technological progress.

Actually recent reports do a vast majority of Japanese as happy and an increase in birth rates.

Plus Japan is a tiny island with 1/100th the geographic land space and 1/3rd the Entire US population (120,000,000 people). They don't have to worry about decreased fertility in the slightest. There's almost as many people on Japan as white people in America (150,000,000).

Artificial wombs and sexbots

Your a good troll but you're beating a dead horse.

>things were better before women's rights
>but we can't go back to traditional roles

You're essentially saying you want an omelette but you don't want to cook.

teach men in school how to attract and seduce women. too bad we can't trust our school system to teach anything like that.

a lot of men have no fucking idea how to approach and seduce women, and often by the time they figure out the academics of it they're now too old and women their age smell their inexperience and aren't attracted. they need practice but now they'll never get it.

this won't save all beta males, maybe half of them i don't know. a lot of them just had no idea what to do when younger and now lack the experience needed to not come off as weird and creepy.

you've got to get your practice in when you're still a young man, when some inexperience and fumbling is expected and not creepy. as you get older and lack the skills it just turns women right off.

i think japan has dating programs government funded, not that these seem to be working. but i'm just saying there is precedent for government funded dating classes as a thing that exists in the world. done right it could even be effective

A modest home. A refrigerator. A doll for loving. A TV for watching the world burn.

>muh isms
>Ever since we, implying you have community with anyone here
>putting the cart before the horse
>false dilemma fallacies
So much cancer in one post.
Lurkmoar before posting, newfag.

of course the free market provides such programs, but they're usually scams run by pick up artists and frankly it's just weird and intimidating such programs.

but then again, no government program and this climate is going to teach the necessary skills because feminists will throw a fit. you can't just be nice to women and hope maybe one will find you attractive and give you a chance. you have to be aggresive and "hit on them" often in a way that many beta males feel uncomfortable with. in a way that seems sexist to people who don't understand gender is biological and women respond to strength and inititative.

so this whole concept may seem a non-starter. but it's not like there's anything easier we can do is there?

This is a case of "wanting to have your cake and eat it too". That's the way women are though.
There are no "realistic solutions". The way the west is now is a rare anomaly. Women have what they do now because of feminism and technological advances, all happening with the permission of men.
People that want men to be "traditional" but women to keep their rights are retards. Most of human history is filled with men who were brutes, men who did not give one single fuck about women's rights or what women thought.
You want a return to the old system without actually returning to it. It can't happen.

Japanese women are traditional when if benefits them. They are nothing like the Japanese women of the 19th century. There is still a notion of male supremacy in Japanese society , but Japanese women still have considerable power when it comes to their personal lives. For example, it's expected for a company man to give all his salary to his wife to manage and he gets pocket change in return. Japanese women still expect their men to out earn them even as they reach income parity, which is a major reason marriage rates are so low. Japanese women don't think the average Japanese man makes enough money to be considered marriage worthy. They're also as degenerate as western women, but they hide it better.

that's because of a catastrophic failure by young (and virtually middle aged now) japanese men to appeal to their women, because of a degeneration of their Masculine Culture that was virtually forced by the Americans at the end of the second world war

women are only empowered because Men are shouldering their burdens more than ever before.

you're pretty naive to expect that technology from THEM won't be used to fuck us over. if we get artificial wombs it will be to create monsanto babies or some evil shit. otherwise we'll never get them and if non-them companies start making them then they'll be outlawed unless they cause us great harm as a species.

the people in power won't let us have nice things, remember that. even the smartphones which seemed great at first ended up creating a surveillance state with a microphone and location tracker in everyones pocket.

>Now that they don't need men for protection or as providers, they would never tolerate a patriarchal system.
Seems to me that they still do need men for these things otherwise they wouldn't be so assblasted about men not marrying.

>An increase in the influence of women in public life has often been associated with national decline. The later Romans complained that, although Rome ruled the world, women ruled Rome. In the tenth century, a similar tendency was observable in the Arab Empire, the women demanding admission to the professions hitherto monopolised by men. ‘What,’ wrote the contemporary historian, Ibn Bessam, ‘have the professions of clerk, tax-collector or preacher to do with women? These occupations have always been limited to men alone.’ Many women practised law, while others obtained posts as university professors. There was an agitation for the appointment of female judges, which, however, does not appear to have succeeded.

>Soon after this period, government and public order collapsed, and foreign invaders overran the country. The resulting increase in confusion and violence made it unsafe for women to move unescorted in the streets, with the result that this feminist movement collapsed.

So now we fall.

When will intelligent men procreate? We'll just get dumber by the generation, like we have been doing for the past 70 years

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Just focus on bettering your self, avoid unnecessary luxuries and find meaning in your life. Live with your parents for a few years while you save money to buy a house. I have a cousin who's 25 and owns his own house.

A house at 25 is not a potential reality for most people fucktard

My entire generation won't have a house unless their parents pass one down. So I won't, nor will most people I know

Japan's lowered fertiltiy is the result of work. And to be honest, it's likely the same bullshit will come here.

Under white sharia you will be designated a breeding house and wife

No, houses, cars and rent cost more because women work. They have money and cause demand to increase for those items. An increase in demand causes prices to rise. If they en mass quite the labor pool wages would rise and allow men to support their family without working 60 hour work weeks.

Please define sexist. Because if you go off some of the women in my life, calling Elliot Rodger a retard is sexist because it implies I wanted him to succeed.

>scum keeps reproducing at the highest rate
>eventually civilization will collapse because everyone is too retarded to keep it going
>natural selection will reward those with high IQs and discipline again until they build a civilization that equals our current one and the cycle repeats

No joke I think I'd rather have a Muslim theocracy at this point, at least I'd get respect as a male again

or maybe women could just lower their standards? even fat ugly women expect to date a chad because they've ridden a few drunk chad cocks. women have sky high standards while bringing nothing to the table except a vagina.

women are mentally and emotionally unstable and seek drama at avery available opportunity even if it means destroying their own lives to get that sweet soap opera action.

i've already discussed how to "fix men" ie teach them how to hit on women. how do we fix women?

the only way women will lower their standards are if the chads up their standards and stop fucking low grade roasties. leave the quantity to the betas and focus ont he quality chad.

but how to encourage these changes? perhaps with education. perhaps with widening cultural awareness. perhaps by chad shaming, where chads shame other chads for fucking average women instead of hotties.

Women should focus on finding a husband throughout college and stop swiping right on Tinder. Once you leave college, you either have to find one at work or resort to dating apps. Men are in the drivers seat for the marriage market, while women hold the seat for sex. They are giving it freely with the false promise of being "sexually liberated" as said by the modern feminist movement. While they are being "sexually liberated", most foreigners and american women from traditional homes are finding husbands and dating in their early 20s to be married by late 20s, early 30s. Those that are swiping on men on social dating apps are waiting until their final years of their biological clocks to begin liooking for husbands. In addition to this, women are being told that they can focus on their career as long as they want and THEN find a husband ( usually when they have estbalished themselves at 30-40s) . However, no one is telling them that they can BOTh find a husband AND establish their careers. Feminism and the falsehood of having all the time in the world is what is producing roasties and cat ladies.

what about... dating simulators. not shitty games though, but an accurate dating simulator. that actually teaches you how to pick up women in the real world. most of the dating simulators i've seen are just games full of nonsense and not serious teaching tools

>What is the solution to 1+1?
>And please, do not use the number 2

It's not the fact the men can't pick up women, it's about women being dumb.

Maybe not in bong land. Here in the Midwest, if you're willing to have a 20 minute commute you could live in a house like this: zillow.com/homedetails/2150-Blue-Heron-Ct-Stoughton-WI-53589/102960891_zpid/
If a blue collar welder can buy a house at 25 so can half of the neets on Sup Forums if they worked for it.

You want a realistic solution?

THE WHOLE SYSTEM NEEDS TO COME DOWN

Yes that's right. The whole damn thing, especially feminism.

There is a whole nexus of problems. But at its core its because of our culture. Our culture has been twisted into something unnatural, as it should NOT be.

Men act like women, women act like men. Fathers do not fulfill their duties as fathers. They do not protect their daughters and send them off to college, where they are ravaged by the collegiate system and encouraged to have early, premarital sex.

Mothers do not protect their sons and daughters, are practically forced into the workplace and are constantly brainwashed with feminist doctrine.

We have LOST OUR COMMUNITIES. If we had community, real community then none of this would bean issue. White people have lost our communities, our very homes. Neighbors do not talk to each other anymore. Families are disjointed and broken. Now we have a bunch of single mothers raising kids, a total disaster, the nuclear family is the key and it has been destroyed.

Our entire civilization is fucked. There is no realistic or easy solution.

The solution is this: We need to start over again. We need a REAL REVOLUTION. Everything comes down. Everything. WE need to go back to basics.

1) Men are men, they are trained to provide, protect and to pleasure their women

2) Women are women, they become mothers early, motherhood is sacred, they support and love their husbands

3) We build tight knit communities, our work is based on goodwill, not greed

4) In order to do this we must remove ((them)) from power

The only realistic solution is to make sex outside marriage illegal again. But good luck trying to get this passed. The chads and 99% of women would never allow anyone to take their one night stands away from them. A virgin uprising is unironically the only solution.

i don't think women even realize how completely confusing it is to hit on women in the modern world. unattractive guys need above average approaches to get success while attractive guys have it much easier. over time the attractive guys gain experience and the unattractive guys don't which makes the unnattractive guys even more unattractive.

once you reach say 25 years and over and you have no experience hitting on women, it's just impossible. anything you do will come off as creepy since you don't have any experience.

you know what, fuck it. i give up. women aren't worth it. it's all over. pack it in. humanity is toast

>Ever since we've moved from traditionalism to the post modern dating/marriage culture, marriage and birth rates have tanked, single motherhood have become the norm, both women and men are more miserable than their grand parents generation, more beta males are becoming incels, and as a result of all this, white countries are slowly killing themselves with low fertility rates

Only in cities. You see, cities are overpopulated shitholes, and people subconsciously know this, and thus they stop making more fucking humans to ruin people's day.

Every fucking problem you losers seem to have revolves around the fact that you live in an urban area, aka a human sewer. Sucks for you, faggot.

it's both

women are dumb, and beta males don't know how to act like men anymore and are often taught not to act like men.

eventually the beta male who has never been taught how to be a man, never had the chance to learn, and has been told all his life that male behaviours are toxic. he's a jumbled confused mess and he needs some education.

meanwhile women are so dumb that they just sit there waiting for guys to approach and do basically all the work. women are too dumb to even hold a conversation about anything other then idle gossip and small talk. any guy without fuckloads of skill and experience can't succeed and any attempts will come off as creepy and weak.

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It's both, you're right. But beta males are produced by single mothers and weak fathers. You can call it chicken or the egg problem, but it starts with women starting to look for males early, and to start creating, with her husband, a close, knit nuclear family. With the teachings of a father present, and the love of a mother, you will produce alpha, intelligent, strong males. Single mothers produce weak, vulnerable men. It's the problem that young women are taking up all the very little men left in college and young adulthood, while other women are focusing on other things and resorting to single mother hood or owning 3 dogs.

Japan is recovering its birthrates tho.

Their only problem is that 20% fo their population is over 60 years old and will probably live for 10-20 more years which costs them money for pensions, health insurrance and most importantly ties up prime real estate properties that young people need to house their families in.

The problem is, so many women these days have such unrealistic standards that they aren't giving average guys a chance. How can the average man learn to be a good flirt or a pick up artist if women in his range think theyre entitled to Chad just because they got lucky one night when Chad was drunk? Even my obese step sister believes she's entitled to an attractive man just because some guy with a bww fetish fucked her once. Now days, average guys have to target women way below their level just to have a chance, and for many men with some self respect and standards , they aren't willing to put in all that effort to get with some ugly broad who probably has several stds and a body count larger than a porn star. The dating market has never been more skewed, and I can't blame men for wanting no part in it.

Eventually people might start catching on to the fact that people who are better off really don't partake in degeneracy at the same rate as trashy people do. This is why the aristocracy was always considered "our betters." This is also my theory as to how religion really took root. In much of Europe, Christianity was a top-down adoption because it was "ten simple rules for living like the king."

Yes, yes we all know all those stories about debased lords and ladies, but I contend we know them because they are exceptional. And all the modern celebrity trash we read about is just New Money trash not having the generational knowledge of how to deal with surplus. You want a drama free, happy life, look at old money folk and see how they live. If that's too boring for you, then accept that you are trash and enjoy the drama.