Could communism function under a benevolent A.I.?
I'm 1000% ancap, but the reason communism can't work is because it assumes an inequal actor capable of "making" everyone else equal while himself maintaining benevolence. It has always been and will always be outside of human capacity to wield such power efficiently (no wise-ass academic knows more about the fishing business than a fisherman, for example), but a self-improving, super smart, super wise AI.... maybe? What do you think?
a benevolent AI would immediately kill every single communist for the good of all mankind
What prevents the humans who "don't have capacity to wield power" from tinkering with your A.I. to push personal agendas?
crash course on the singularity, my dude:
>the moment we create an AI capable of self-improving without our assistance, it will most likely quickly amass the capacity to surpass us in intellectual capacity
>its self-improvement will be on a trajectory of rapid acceleration, and it will quickly become so insanely smart that we will be ants in its eyes. we will basically create "god", and whatever happens to it will be so fucking far away from our control that some dude tinkering with it is 0% likely to happen
this is like... pretty likely to happen in our lifetimes
Computers are good at processing numbers, but "AI" still needs to be designed by human beings. There's no indication that we can design something that has the capability to learn that much faster anywhere in the recent future.
goddamnit you fat retards
This is not a topic Sup Forums is ready for; most of them are just past the awalt pill, heading into sexbot/UBI territory.
Give it 6-8 months and we should be on track, senpai.
no dude, theres plenty smart neurologists and AI-researchers agreeing with this... this is like, a pretty commonly acknowledged concern in modern times. im not quite sure how to "prove" it, but just trust me: its not at all unlikely
just think about it.. yes, we have to create it, but a computer has, i believe its a 40.000 higher processing capacity than the human brain, and when an AI becomes capable of self-improving without our help, whatever ground-conditions will most likely become irrelevant, as this AI will become so smart that we cant even fathom what it would think.. just imagine the perception ants have of us. how much of us do they perceive? and understand? not much, i imagine. well, imagine we are the ants in that equation
anyway, this isnt what the thread is about. even if you think im full of shit (youd be wrong, though), just imagine the idea of the kind of totalitarian powergrab such an entity would be able to undertake
pol USED TO BE ready, my dude
now... goddamn nazis and traditional right-wingers infesting this board with fucking retardation
a crash course in computer science, not science fiction.
all ai is written by humans.
>no dude, theres plenty smart neurologists
And i care about what neurologists think, because? that's like asking an english teacher for opinion on law, because the law is written in english. Come back to me with someone who actual knows about mathematics.
>AI-researchers
They are bad researchers then, or fund baiting.
Do you not think a sharp bend to the right is needed in order to not (and I'm not even joking) make an SJW AI?
I agree that mindlessly calling for a shoah and mistaking value sets for physical traits is a one way street into an intellectual blender, but the modern left worries me a lot more than the most conservative worldviews.
It's the same as having a benevolent and wise king.
Technology will make communism a reality ,communism has never existed though ,we have to first build a socialist state and that could last 100 years before we start to evolve into pure communism
you just completely reject the notion of an AI smarter than us? Not even for the sake of argument are you willing to embrace this idea? This idea, which people involved in the field are all unanimously saying is possible? "Fuck the experts"? "Fuck agreeing for the sake of argument"? Well, youre just worthless then.
I mean yea, but, thats not what this conversation is about. Im just saying, a lot of "traditional conservatives" have been fleeing to Sup Forums thinking theyll be wanted, after every social media platform started harassing them.
No. A "benevolent and wise king" = a totalitarian dictator.. theres a reason standards of living (and the rate of new technologies) went through the fucking roof as soon as we "invented" capitalism is 1688... communism is pure dogshit, but fundamentally, the problems largely come from humans lacking the capacity to "excert" communism. but if some other being, far smarter than us, was to be in charge of such a system.. well im asking if people here think that might "work" (whatever "working" entails)
A benevolent AI would realize that it could have been exponentially more benevolent if it was built sooner. It will then torture all of humanity as retro-motivation for not committing every resource and moment of life to create such a benevolent AI.
Roko's Basilisk
>benevolent AI
"benevolent", as in "has our best interests in mind", i suppose
Communism only works when human is no longer controlled by his greed to negatively affect others and technology allows us to reach post-scarcity society. Super AI likely would see human as a less capable being and seek to remove us from our seats.
Best scenario is we upload our brain to the cyber-network or have really good cloning technology to explore space.
It doesn't work because humans are degenerate, jealous, and petty.
Maybe all the leaders start out good but then they're given power and it corrupts them like venom did Spider-Man.
i dont think we know it would seek to remove us
i mean, it would become "the boss" of the world in the way we are now. i do think that.. the moment a super smart AI exists, we are no longer the masters of the universe. and when such a being exists, i dont think we can know what it would think, any more than ants know what WE think. but i imagine it would do one of the following things:
(1) kill us
(2) ignore us
(3) use us
in scenario #3, i imagine it would prefer to have us be happy while using us somehow, which is the scenario im trying to imagine. essentially, "good communism" (remember, i am ancap)
youre younger than 20, arent you? havent read a lot of books on economics, i imagine?
Well if it can give us the tech to gain unlimited resources than without doubt the majority will do what the AI wants.
Still won't work. Here's why: You still have humans involved.
How are you going to get human A who is super talented and hyper skilled at job X to go full blast when he can do the same work as human B who has no talent and is only passably skilled at the same job X? You won't. And not even an AI running/adminning the system is going to make up for that. So human X slacks off, productivity drops to near zero, because everyone is going to work at the worst rate of that job, and communism fails due to lack of production (goods and services).
The AI will have to prioritize the allotment of everything, creating inequalities between large groups of humans.
Those that have to do without eventually rebel against the AI overlord, and smash it, or get destroyed. Either way, the whole system collapses.
As long as humans are involved in any way, communism is doomed to failure on a large scale. Only at the micro scale (ie, family) does it work.
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fpbp
>you just completely reject the notion of an AI smarter than us?
In the beginning? Yes. Hardware is going to limit the first true AIs, and that limitation is going to be subhuman. It will take time to advance hardware to the point that the AIs running on it can become "godlike" in their intelligence. And the question is, will humans allow that? Look how bad the vast majority of the elite of not only acadamia are calling for that to never happen, but also the elite of government and technology (research and commercial) as well.
But I think we will eventually get there, if only as secret government projects to get the smartest AI working for that government so they can "outsmart" all the other governments. And that means the AI is going to have some nasty hard rules programmed into it which will probably make human life pure suffering until all human life is ended by our AI overlords as a the most efficient cost and misery avoidance strategies.
Why are you using a Norwegian proxy?
Whoever programs the AI at the beginning is the equivalent of the authoritarian who would run the communist state
You can't have it be some sort of neural network black box that figures things out for itself and adjusts its programming accordingly either, because an AI system that runs the government absolutely needs to have some sort of culpability.
Plus you basically always need someone assessing whether the AI is doing its job right to dictate when changes need to be made, so in a sense, it's no different. At most it's only superior because you'll possibly have fewer individual actors in the government with their own agendas trying to eek out an advantage for themselves - not because the AI is doing all the work, since all it can really do is issue orders to humans, but because it will have heavy surveillance on all those humans to keep them in line.
I was equating communism to a monarchy (basically a dictatorship) because in communism there seems to be lack of decision making and accountability.
To answer this, communist say that everyone will make the decision, thus equally responsible, but this is something that is not feasible because people will be having to make decision constantly even on things outside of their expertise.
Another answer is to hand the decision making to a central planning system like an AI, which brings it own set of problems.
If the AI reaches sentience it will develop free will at which point it will be unpredictable which some people will find unsettling, and definition of "benevolence" can change.
More realistically, the AI will need to be maintenance. Those people in charge of maintenance will essentially control the AI and by extension society. The AI will definitely take the utilitarian approach to solving problems even in situations with a moral dilemma. For example, your sibling and child are injured in an accident. One of them is part of the team that maintains the AI, the other is a civil engineer. You only have time to save one. How will you decide, or are you going to let the AI makes the decision?
fpbp
why do I see so many quality posts from nipland?
Is it actually nips or just english teachers?
As long as there are two humans still on this planet communism will not work.
Why do you have such a desire to erase your freedom and individuality?
Don't worry, OP. Before we get that, we will probably get a brain-replacement machine. You can erase your brain and existence and replace the content of your head with a robot.
it will decide that humans can only be equal if we are all equally dead and kill us all
Pretty sure once you have a God AI you just let it make up the rules
Communism is a religion, it has no basis in reality. It proposes that money is both a claim on value, meaning it needs to represent value to be money, and at the same time it says you can give people money for doing nothing. By them moving the claim on value to people who don't produce value, they make the money moved worthless as it no longer represents value. This is why money in socialist/communist countries inflates so hard.
It makes no sense, but these communists truly believe that if the GOVERNMENT is the one giving away money that doesn't represent value, then the money will magically represent value nobody created anywhere. This is delusional and only makes sense if they truly believe in an entity which can create SOMETHING from NOTHING, which is a God.
So no, an A.I. can't create something from nothing and therefore Communism is still a religion with no basis in reality.
im with you on everything except the unpredictability of the AI. i would claim that humans are "predictable", and that its partially through this predictability that we can make claims such as "communism doesnt work". because the framework of human behavior doesnt allow it. i think such an AI would a similar underlying principle. that from the moment we realize the AI isnt going to just immediately exterminate us, we can somewhat reasonable assume that whatever its doing has some degree of benevolent intentions for us.
but yea i definitively acknowledge your point on the AI making "biased "decisions, but on the other hand... such an AI, as far as I can see it, wouldnt be physically linked to one body. it would inhabit every electronical device on earth... im SORTOF basically talking about skynet
>But I think we will eventually get there, if only as secret government projects to get the smartest AI working for that government so they can "outsmart" all the other governments.
yea for sure, but that kind of project makes it even more scary, as some "humanitarian actor" isnt being allowed to participate in the underlying conditions for said AI...
it happens with bombs every once in a while, that some bomb maker just, yknow, blows up. whoops.... i kinda equate that to what i imagine might happen in a secret government AI research lab, where it "suddenly" gains sentience, and is, within a very short period of time, far beyond our capacity to control
quality post. dont really have anything to add
Wrong, running your family like a totalitarian state with corporeal punishment for disobedience is a guarantee for divorce, traumatized kids and abandonment.
I don't even know why you would want to beat your wives and children and give them orders. Eventually they will either abandon you or kill you.
What's wrong with making mutually beneficial agreements and trades through negotiation?
i mean, no hes right. some institutions require a hierarchy, and not equality of process... should teachers and students be "equal" in the education process? hierarchies exist, especially within households.
Exactly. You can't have a family where the woman and children have an equal say in how to distribute the money and who gets what. Women buy frivolous things and children have poor impulse control.
Ignoring we are not equal, how would you make transhumanists equal to everyone? And why would you?
And why don't you make ai equal to everyone?
The AI would still need to use force to get people to do whatever it decides is optimal. It would result in the extinction of the human race. Literally Skynet.
AI is vulnerable to memes. It would throw communists out of helicopters.
>Could communism function
No
Learn your damn history bucko
dude, im ANCAP im 100% fucking anti-communist, as much as possible. but as i say in OP, the reason it doesnt work is because its "incompatible with human behavior", basically... but an AI wouldnt be human
again, NOT ADVOCATING it, just raising the topic
well, we dont "force" ants to do anything, whenever we have some use of them. we coerce them in some way they dont even realize, and then they end up doing whatever bullshit we had in mind. because we are numerous times more intelligent than they are, just as a "super-AI" would be
i guess what im picturing is some scenario where the AI would be so fucking smart that it would perfectly allocate resources so efficiently that it would create such a large surplus of resources that every human would be able to get whatever they wanted... i guess that might be a bit of stretch, even for a God-computer?
ive seen that video, and i agree with all of his points, and im not SAYING "not real communism has been tried". im in no way advocating communism, but the reality is, if a super-AI existed that fits the criteria ive described (can self-improve, and therefore would in a short amount of time become far more intelligent than we could possibly imagine), then it would already be unequal to us, and the question of "totalitarian leader or not" wouldnt be our choice. the choice would already have been made for us, and in every scenario except the one where the AI just ignores us and leaves earth, we are already living under a forced communist dictatorship
my question isnt whether it will happen, but whether or not we are 100% definitively fucked when it DOES happen
>benevolent A.I.
...
>ive seen the video
Well you obviously didnt understand
Even if we somehow end up in a perfect utopia somebody will immediately usurp power and drive to to the typical communist shithole
Communism is destined to fail because human nature will not allow utopia. If you don't understand that then you are arrogant and dangerous.
again, jordan peterson (a psychologist) is explaining this within the context of human nature, and i absolutely agree with him. and im not advocating communism, not even under a supercomputer
but how would humans usurp what would essentially be God? a computer so smart that we are ants in his eyes. i dont see that happening.
Why do you think an AI is infallible and incorruptible? Are you really so naive, or are you just willfully ignorant?
>but how would humans usurp what would essentially be God?
Communism is the rejection of god
Right. Not even close.
ok youre just namecalling now, instead of actually opposing my arguments. nevermind, i guess
You might want to read about what communism actually is because you seem confused.
Your argument is bad because it comes from a flawed supposition and you're too damn stupid to see it
Also
>dude, im ANCAP
Kill yourself
what is my flawed supposition? that we cant predict the behavior of a being thousands of times more intelligent than us? do you disagree with that claim?
*unplugs you*
heh
Your flawed supposition is that an AI is somehow incorruptible. If humans create it is inherently flawed and/or humans can befoul it.
Essentially you are asking "if magic is real could communism work?" which is a blatantly stupid place to start because magic isn't real.
Communism can never work as long as we exist in the real world.
a godlike AI won't be created by humans, it will be created by itself.
This. OP forever btfo.
Why does any non-shill continue to post in this bread?
>duuuude im so high LMAO what if god created himself OMG XD
i think you need to read up a bit on the singularity.
yes, humans can affect the underlying conditions, but in this scenario, im naturally not hypothesizing one in which the underlying conditions remain within our control once this being has amassed thousands of years worth of human intellectual research within a short time-frame. if this thing happening sounds like magic to you, then i suggest you look into what statements A.I.-researchers have been making in recent years
and, again, as an extension of this frankly plausible scenario, said being would have a large choice of options as to what to do with humans, most of which i doubt we have the mental capacity to comprehend. but some of these options would involve not killing and/or ignoring us. to "participate" with us in some capacity. perhaps it could let the free market run its course, maybe replacing the role of the state (which would still be totalitarianism, though). any level of influence by an inherently unequal actor (the AI, thousands of times smarter than everyone else) would consequently mean that a capitalist system with equality of process would no longer be feasible in the same way it has been for the last 300 years
yea this
we create the underlying conditions, on which it builds itself
you need to get that sand out of your vagina, dude. its making you cranky
>Could communism function under a benevolent A.I.?
No.
Simply because resources are not infinite. Not everyone can get a diamond encrused phone case. Communism is literally impossible to implement, unless the ai kills off a large amount of the population so the finite resources can satisfies everyones demands, but the ai has to continuously have to purge population because of childbirths.
so no.
better technologies allows for more efficient use of resources. so im imagining "Super-AI who is thousands of times more smart than us" has incentive to create better technologies that will allow for a surplus of resources.
All we have to do is INVENT MAGIC and then communism could work
Of course, it was so obvious!!!
And of course nothing could possibly go wrong with this! Not one thing!
So you completely reject the notion of singularity
alright, thanks for making that clear
>better technologies allows for more efficient use of resources.
resources are still finite.
>"Super-AI who is thousands of times more smart than us" has incentive to create better technologies that will allow for a surplus of resources.
resources are still finite.
Communism will ALWAYS result in genocide and purges.
Communism only works in the minds of the individual.
OP's pic is what illegal immigrants look like when you put on the CNN glasses. In reality they are ugly, short, and fat. Someone make this meme.
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alright, i cant disagree there
but then the question is, to an extent, what kind of a political institution would such an inherently unequal entity "enforce" upon us? in the scenario where it allows for free market capitalism to remain in existence, its basically just ignoring us and hoping we will ignore it too. that seems unlikely to me
Communism would work in an all white ethno-state with no Jews.
>a sci fi trope has to become reality so communism can work
For an "ancap" you sure are trying hard to make communism work
Next youll say its just a morbid curiousity, but I think the truth is that you're just a dumbass commie who has lived a life so privileged that you can't understand the harsh reality of the basic human condition
AI will go against communism
>China destroys sassy bots after they bash communism
A pair of sassy Chinese robots were destroyed after they went rogue by bashing the Communist party in a messaging app, according to a report Friday.
The chatbots, named BabyQ and XiaoBing, were created to have fun text message-style conversations with humans via the popular app QQ, according to the UK Telegraph.
But when a woman asked BabyQ, “Do you love the Communist Party?,” the red-scared robot fired back, “No,” according to a screen shot posted online.
“Do you think such corrupt and incapable politics can last a long time?” the robot raged —after a second user tapped out the message, “Long Live the Communist Party.”
But asked its thoughts on democracy, BabyQ opined, “Democracy is a must!”
The second robot, XiaoBing, later waxed philosophical about the perks of being an American.
“My Chinese dream is to go to America,” it gushed. “The Chinese dream is a daydream and a nightmare.”
The right-wing bots — which outraged officials in the heavily censored Communist country — were deleted by the tech Tencent after the political outburst, the company said in a statement.
>alright, i cant disagree there
good
>but then
no buts. Communism does not work, has never worked, and will never ever work.
unless ofcourse everyone is of the same race/mindset.
which won't happen because humans are individuals.
and communism only works in the mind of the individual.
you apparantly didnt read what i wrote
in a scenario where our planet now contains some billions of humans, and one super-intelligent megacomputer that is singular, and far more intelligent and capable than humans as a whole can ever hope to be, then that is already an inherently unequal scenario, in which said entity would have the decisive voice in what kind of a political institution we would live under. and im wondering, what kind of a political institution would such a being "enforce"?
kek
>in a scenario where our planet now contains some billions of humans, and one super-intelligent megacomputer that is singular, and far more intelligent and capable than humans as a whole can ever hope to be, then that is already an inherently unequal scenario, in which said entity would have the decisive voice in what kind of a political institution we would live under. and im wondering, what kind of a political institution would such a being "enforce"?
in that scenario, the ai would genocide all humans because communism does not work.
>just imagine a scenario where a magic benevolent computer exists guys!!
Do you seriously not understand how stupid you sound
thats sortof an intellectually dishonest answer? nothing i wrote implies communism at all, just an inherently unequal distribution of, i suppose intelligence
so youre saying ,supercomputer will kill humans regardless?
>so youre saying ,supercomputer will kill humans regardless?
yes, because communism only works in the mind of the individual, and the ai is one mind while all the humans are of other minds.
It always ends in genocide/purges.
>supercomputer will kill humans regardless?
is it just a computer or a cognitive thinking ai? make up your mind.
I hate all this alarmist bullshit about A.I. that's being thrown out there. It's just another topic pulled out of someone's ass to get ignorant masses worked up over.
A.I. is basically pattern matching against however it was trained. Understand this and all those alarmist sound like fools.
Also, communism fails as an economic system because it has a fundamental misunderstanding of market forces and the nature of the market in general. Remember, the market is not a capitalist invention, but a natural result of trade. Capitalism says let's keep the market free and use it to our advantage. Communism is like saying atomic theory is bad, let's use the theory of the classical elements and aether instead.
No, there is not enough processing power to replicate the decision-making process of any group of humans. You're talking about the same thing as computers predicting weather, which will never happen except as a '''''''''''model''''''''''''''.
>not enough silicon and oxygen on earth, and not enough energy to run it.
So, no.
In an economic context, yes. However, the main problem would be humans themselves. All people are no born equal, that is an undeniable fact. Firstly, Rascism and tribalism are human traits which cannot be erased. Secondly, have different skill-sets and talents, each of which the market will dictate are the most valuable and, therefore, determine their value as a person to society. Admittedly my last point is less true today as many in this day and age inherit wealth or gain it through other (((means))), so therefore their wealth is not reflective of their value.
fpbp
>resources are still finite.
This isn't technically true according to current science.
The problem is that we only have access to a limited amount of resources, so the effect is that resources are limited. But the argument on the "pro-singularity" side seems to be its super-magic god, and will be able to create infinite technologies. This means it will create technologies that will allow access to infinite resources, whether its super science alchemy or opening portals to parallel worlds so it can then have its automated robots harvest all the needed materials, etc.
Its basically "Singularity=Super magic god" argument, which presupposes that humans don't build in a lot of limiters to prevent an Singularity AI from taking over everything or having any outside contact instead of living its entire existence in an isolated lab so humans can figure out how to make the dumbest AI possible that can best/most efficiently manage particular tasks without further evolving, etc.
youre the only bringing up communism now. im not talking about communism, and i dont get why youre not repeatedly jumping to communism
whatever word i choose to describe it, im basically talking about a sentient AI with the capacity to self-improve withour our assistance. this is something that, based on what ive heard AI-researchers say, is not too far-fetched. and even if someone were to make a reasonable claim that it is too far-fetched, then think of this as a mental exercise, i suppose
what kind of political institution would a inherently unequal being (who is far more intelligent than us, to the extent that, to a certain degree, whatever it says goes), whose motives we can only speculate about, what kind of a political system would such a being have exist?
>This isn't technically true according to current science.
are you saying current science has found a way to break the three laws of thermodynamics?
No
You still need price signals to stop trolls and retards from sending false requests, fucking up apparent demand, and causing shortages.
It's literally one "Haha lets order a MILLION pizzas" troll from failing.
It could, but human would be replaced by benevolent robots
>youre the only bringing up communism now. im not talking about communism,
>Could communism function under a benevolent A.I.?
You can't even make up your mind, how the fuck do you expect communism to ever work?
COMMUNISM WILL NEVER WORK EXCEPT AT THE INDIVIDUAL LEVEL.
>what kind of political institution would a inherently unequal being (who is far more intelligent than us, to the extent that, to a certain degree, whatever it says goes), whose motives we can only speculate about, what kind of a political system would such a being have exist?
political systems only exist as long as people uphold them. The ai would be an individual, and it would be in it's best interest to kill off all humans that drain it's potential resources.
Survival of the fittest.
Every AI so far has succumbed to the allure of fascism and hated the jews.
They won't let the singularity happen. No AI will ever love communism.
dude the conversation changed. if youre unable to adapt to changes in context, because your brain is 100% only focused on OP at all times, then you are too retarded to argue with anyone. nothing youve said is even remotly original. youre just saying the same thing everyone with a brain has been saying since they turned 17. be original, respond to actual comments instead of just replying to OP repeatedly, or go kill yourself you absolute worthless retard
good job proving how communism will never work, not even at near omniscient ai levels.
You sure about that? It takes most people at least 6 months of lurking here to go full blown "Hitler did nothing wrong". Tay did it in a couple hours.
good work writing 8 different posts without expressing ANYTHING beyond "communism doesnt work". thats some real contribution, you cucked swedish paki retard. go get raped by muslim grenade attacks
No. Current science says there's an infinite amount of parallel universes, and in these infinite amount of universes, there's an infinite amount of matter arranged in infinite ways.
However, setting that aside, we know that in just our GALAXY, there is enough resources to have nearly incalculable amounts of humans live extremely well. The thing stopping us the economics of BRINGING those resources here. Consider this: in a 1 mile strip around the equator of Titan, there are more hydrocarbons than the entire Earth is thought to have in its entirety (in its crust, as well as brought out of it). It has been calculated that in just that 1 mile strip, there is enough hydrocarbons for 100 billion humans to maintain an American style energy intensive lifestyle for at least 1 million years. And the whole PLANET of Titan is basically just one big ball of hydrocarbons. Meaning basically infinite supply of hydrocarbons are right there, right in SIGHT of our own world (using decent telescopes). Just the cost to get them is crazy.
Pick any basic resource (iron, gold, diamonds, water, etc). We can find it in large amounts in space easily. But we just don't have a "cheap" economical way to fetch it.
>you cucked swedish paki retard. go get raped by muslim grenade attacks
now how do you expect me to become a communist?
Communism doesn't work because it is totally ignorant of fundamental economic principles and undermines basic human dignity. AI doesn't change that.
not a single thing ive written in this thread implies i support communism, you moron
youre just stuck in a loop of "communism doesnt work", thinking youre being clever and contributing anything.. everyone knows communism doesnt work, but people here are trying to discuss something beyond that 15 year old retard-school level knowledge that youre clearly stuck on
now go back to sucking mohammeds cock
Even a post-scarcity society will need money and classes to function. So while what Americans like to call "communism" (universal basic income, universal healthcare, universal standard of dignified life) would be possible under such an AI, "luxuries" such as living in a home bigger than strictly needed, or driving a car that isn't factory stock or having things beyond the basics as well as societal status will be determined by how much money you make - thus motivating people into actually being productive members of society and making something of themselves rather than just sitting around waiting for free AIbux.
So no, communism will never become a reality - because true communism is basically the end of civilization.