Civic nationalism is the worst thing to happen to the right...

Civic nationalism is the worst thing to happen to the right. The biggest proponents of it are niggers and beaners who are afraid of getting kicked out or cut off from gibsmedats in a REAL nationalist society, which would obviously be an ethnic nationalist society.

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Can you delete that chart that has hispanic as a race

Why should non mestizos be blamed for mestizo breeding? hIspanic is not a race

I know I'm kind of derailing this thread but still

you're a stupid faggot with genocidal delusions

That's actually a white pill of sorts - a sizeable percentage of the mexies here are white-white. If they could only wake to that consciousness, and they would lead the charge against the shits.

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Fuck of ethno-fag, you're only doing harm to the right wing.

>nigger lover pretending he knows what it is to be right wing

eat some more dicks and get AIDS, shill

I support a libertarian approach to the economy and freedoms, and voluntary racial segregation at the same time.

Basically paleolibertarianism.

These are literally threads to promote divisivness among anons. These people have nothing left in their own hearts so now their only desire is to divide others.

It's not dividing if we were never on the same side, kike.

One nation one culture. I have yet to see a civic nationalist nation. America isn't nationalistic at all. I think the closest thing we get to civic nationalism are eastern european countries, which are okay with other ethnicities as long as they integrate.

what does this even mean? are lolbergs even serious these days?

The only thing we can hope to achieve in terms of cultural preservation is stricter border control and less immigration. But of course ethno-fags think it's a great idea to make the right wing look like racist maniacs.

It's sad when these people celebrate with their small-time temporary "victories" thinking there will ever be a revival.

>unironically belieiving racism is wrong
>umironically belieiving baving actual principles makes you a maniac
>>>/reddit/

Also, culture is genetic. You can't have white culture without white people.

It means that self-segregation is natural and will happen on its own if you stop pushing the PC/SJW agenda

Also, this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolibertarianism

>The only thing we can hope to achieve in terms of cultural preservation
I don't really care about that if I'm honest. A nigger in lederhosen isn't an Austrian, he's an insult to Austria.

Dude on the bottom right of the OP post is a fucking horror!

Of course it would be better to go full Jap 50 years ago and only accept small amounts of immigration but now we're here with a active pillar in society always voting no against ethno-nationalistic ideas. To convince the remaining modern (white) people to go for these ideas is just hardly possible.

So this option is gone; best we can do is the more realistic approach which is accepting the browner future and only allowing small time immigration for the society's stability. Of course I know the culture will change but it's better than letting it be completely be ruined by leftist delusion about the nature of humans.

Forget it. Even Sup Forums is by now civic nationalistic. Hell, not even that. Half of posters are good old christian right. It's fucking over. Prepare for godly niggers till the end of time.

White is not an ethnicity, it is a collection of ethnicities. The moment German migrants were allowed into America, it become white nationalist i.e. civic nationalism for whites.

Most white-white mexicans just stay in mexico because they're not poorfags, most of the white hispanics I know are either from spain or a shitty place like Columbia or Peru that they had to leave just because of how shitty and nonwhite it is.

Another approach would be to foster the white identity economically, sponsor and organize white organizations and funds, provide support for white communities, schooling and employment. Basically, fuck democracy, hail ancap. Sure, it will kinda "split" society, but that's what all those lefties and cucks were asking for.

>Of course it would be better to go full Jap 50 years ago
Then stop shilling for anything else. This isn't something we can compromise on, user - because there is no compromise. There is us existing and then there's anything else.

civ nat is another word for multiculturalism which is the same thing we have right now, white genocide which is why Sup Forums exists in the first place, remember to tell all these fags to go back to p l e b b i t

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t. Moroccan cancer

NATIONALISM
ISN'T
RIGHT-WING.

Genuine right-wing civic nationalists are fucking great, people should embrace capitalism as it's the only economical system which promotes natural selection.

Thanks m8, that was nice to hear

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The right wing wont exist in 50 years if whites don't stick together and defend our interests. Obviously the ideal world has no identity politics at all but once you realize that non whites will always stick together to undermine you, it becomes a necessity.

Self segregation only solves part of the issue. Non whites will vote in their own interests, for a welfare state, a vast majority do not value freedom and certainly do not care if they need to take your wages and freedom to get what the want

Keep in mind, that one of the main things that hinder PROMOTION of the white identity is so called "political correctness" as well as "social justice"

I don't believe that a true "national unity" is possible, but with enough segregation and separate schooling things still might go smoothly

>NATIONALISM
>ISN'T
>RIGHT-WING.

Good thing I'm ancap.

Says the edgy nazi

>anarchist calling anyone else edgy

This is wrong. Culture is spiritual, race is spiritual, because the mind of man is spiritual.

I'm ancap as well, that's why I fucking hate people like Spencer who think they're right-wing just because they're white nationalists.

The biggest proponent is boomers.

>Self segregation only solves part of the issue. Non whites will vote in their own interests, for a welfare state, a vast majority do not value freedom and certainly do not care if they need to take your wages and freedom to get what the want
Well, pragmatically, we'll have to do both things: to act from the grassroots, and to prevent the state from harming white society as much as we can. The right to self-segregation and the right to openly speak about the white identity is the basic minimum.

Well-nigh everybody in the Western World now has a non-white friend or at least an acquaintance. Not only are these people their friends, but some of them are morally or intellectually superior to many or most of the white people they know. Many are so thoroughly assimilated that colour alone separates them from any white person. The cause of racial absolutism is absolutely doomed to failure. Nobody would adopt such an inhumane position in modern society. The trouble with racial absolutists is that to them, whether you believe in having a 0% white nation or a 95% white nation, whether you believe in having totally open borders or whether you believe in doing everything humane to reverse the demographic trends while accepting all patriotic and upstanding people of foreign blood who will not leave of their own volition, you are the same to them. Their godless and materialistic philosophy gives rise to a fanatic obsession with maintaining "purity" of blood which in its fanaticism defeats its very own object.

>race is spiritual

The essence of a man is his mind, not the shape of his skull.

CivNat as a technical label is ok if you aren't a cuckold. No gibsmedat or economic refugees, no hyphenated Americans and English as the only language. America for Americans, period. I don't believe in race mixing, I am interested in and want to do business with my own people but non-whites I can be friendly with. Black Americans have been prereparated- they get to live in the country they helped build but I don't want to live next to them on Sesame Street because that's a fairytale. You can live within the current system and not be a faggot for Marxist progressive brainwashing as long as you have a backbone

>The essence of a man is his mind, not the shape of his skull.

One step at a time.

The shape of his skull affects the shape of his brain, which affects his mind, you fucking moron.
How about this, your essence of man is fucking stupid, because it doesn't understand simple biological concepts such as a Chihuahua not having as large a brain as a Border Collie.
Yet both are dogs. Of the Dog Race.
Why are humans different in this regard?

Polish, Italian, and Greek immigrants to the U. S. in the '20s had IQs at the level of the 80s, and sometimes as low as the 70s. This is on a level with that of sub-Saharan Africans today.

nytimes.com/1977/03/27/archives/new-light-on-black-iq.html?mcubz=0

"The average number of questions answered correctly on IQ tests by blacks in 2002 would have given them an average IQ of 104 by the norms used in 1947-1948, which is to say, slightly higher than the average performance of Americans in general during the earlier period."

"The offspring of black and white American soldiers, who fathered children with German women during the American occupation of Germany after the Second World War, had no such IQ differences as that among black and white children in the United States." (Thomas Sowell, Intellectuals and Race.)

I find it an amusing notion full stop when people try to reduce the mind of man to a score on a test. As if you could measure the intellect of Shakespeare or Milton according to a number.

brain

fixed that for you

Civic nationalism doesn't lead to white nationalism. It leads away from it.

According to a person like you, Plato, Socrates, Anaxagoras, Cicero, Seneca, Aristotle, Locke, Descartes, Voltaire, Kant, and just about every great thinker and philosopher in the European tradition from the days of Homer to the horrors of the twentieth century, when materialism really began to grew up, were "fucking morons." Did you never expose yourself to any ideas outside of Amren, TGSNT, Youtube videos, and infographics?

The second alternative to racial identitarianism is cultural identitarianism. It means a focus on the traditions of democracy, liberty, human rights and fair play.

But it's problematic in a way that it contains a paradox of inclusiveness: if we deem ourselves civilized, we must accept anybody, but in the end it turns out those people who we accept are totally uncivilized, so in order to keep our virtue we'll have to reduce our inclusiveness which is our chief virtue in the first place. So the Western cultural identity is pretty paradoxical unless you somehow reform it.

In practice, I think, you'll see both things growing: proponents of ethno-racial as well as cultural identitarianism. It's hard to tell which will prevail, but it seems that proponents of both interpretations are mostly ambivalent about each other at this point.

>Kant
Why're you referring the guy that wrote a book called "all niggers stink"?

>The right wing wont exist in 50 years if whites don't stick together and defend our interests
The problem is that whites generally existed out of ethnostate support from their home countries but diasporas have eroded that and whites forget where they came from. Meanwhile the whole time minorities have banded together by race: black or Latino support groups. Whites are still majority- social support sounds foolish and unnecessary. But it's still needed because whites with ethnic roots and conservative values ARE minorities. Calling it "white" anything is still cucked though, like you're afraid of non-whites. I don't even think of them, they are not my people so they are inconsequential unless I need something from them. I don't need to identify with or by whiteness, it's already everything I am

I follow basically the principles of Enoch Powell on this matter. On being asked whether he was a racialist, Powell replied:

"It depends on how you define the word "racialist." If you mean being conscious of the differences between men and nations, and from that, races, then we are all racialists. However, if you mean a man who despises a human being because he belongs to another race, or a man who believes that one race is inherently superior to another, then the answer is emphatically "No.""

Thus, there are clear differences between nations, but it is not an intransigent fact of their biology. They are what they are, but not necessarily what they are. Owing to this, mass immigration will most certainly destroy your society, but assimilation is also theoretically possible on a small scale (he said that it was "possible, but difficult" to be black). Like him I wish to keep this an overwhelmingly English nation and put an end to immigration, but I recognize that it is the only moral and just and reasonable thing to do to allow exceptions for the upstanding and patriotic non-white people who are already resident here and do not wish to leave of their own volition. I do not fear that their presence here will "taint our blood" as a racialist does, and so I do not believe that persecution or forcible and violent deportations are either right or necessary. The racial crisis is already on our hands but it must be solved in a decent way.

What we have to do is to recognize that the founding stock of a nation must remain in the majority if it is to remain a nation, but that racial absolutism is both unnecessary and wrong.

Welcome to Judaism

A man who scarce left Königsberg in his life makes some passing comment about blacks having a particular smell to them, hardly any of whom he must have met in his entire life, and you change this into "writing a book about niggers stinking." Not only are you duplicitous but you completely miss the point. I was citing Kant as an example of a believer in the soul.

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Even Trump would find Civic Nationalism stupid, that's why he wants the RAISE act passed. So we can make it easier for Europeans to come here while blocking out most nonwhite trash. Do you really want more subhumans like this coming to America? Even Polacks are better then spics.

This post literally means nothing and doesn't address the point. All of these men were great, and also happened to value their own homogenous stock. Plato in particular wrote about a pure ethnic stock being one of the main pillars needed in his ideal nation / society.

Absolutely, that is a very fair way of doing it. If it's that bad let others convince these people otherwise, peacefully.

At the end of the day whites themselves have to first of all be good human beings. Free-thinking white culture in general just needs to (keep) being fostered and most of all it should be ENJOYED and shouldn't be associated with hatred. Which doesn't mean be a pushover btw.
I see this as competing in a sort of social-market and honestly my guess is that this will automatically happen unless extreme etho-fags start ruining it all.

I'm not but still a westernized ex-muslim is a great ally to show the benefits of not being a muslim. The biggest enemies in my book are those who want to strip away freedoms.

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I don't think this is binary situation.

All white males? And you believe race means nothing? your own argument defeats your other beliefs. Examine yourself.

Sure, I don't think anyone cares about 100%. But where do you draw the line? The U.K. is what, 85, 87% white? And look at the massive damage already done to society. I'm pretty sure Mosley never imagined literal millions of south asian/middle eastern muslims in the U.K., dominating entire cities, electing their own political leadership and taking control of British real estate, historical landmarks, economic institutions, and daughters.

The difference between the racialist ideology and the way people thought about these things in the past consists in the fact that before people were patriotic and nationalistic, but they were also willing sometimes to make exceptions, because they referred the mind of man to spirit, to a soul, not to genetic determinism--blood could not be "tainted," blood did not "make" you what you were.

The Athenian citizens, when they offered citizenship to the great Stoic philosopher Zeno, had no thought that his Semitic Phoenician blood would "taint" their stock; they simply saw him as a great and noble spirit worthy of being taken into their fold.

The Berber king of Numidia, Juba II, after Numidia was conquered and became a Roman province, was raised by Julius Caesar and later Octavian, and became one of the most learned men of his day, as well as a lifelong friend of that same Octavian. He married two white women: his first wife was a Greek, Princess Cleopatra Selene II, the other a Cappadocian, Glaphyra.

Even during the Renaissance a mixed-race Moor was the Duke of Florence: Alessandro de Medici, also known as "Il Moro." Would the Florentines have accepted mass immigration from North Africa? Of course not. But did they denounce Alessandro as a "subhuman mongrel?" No.

So too in the 18th century, Dr Samuel Johnson, one of the greatest figures in our history, gave a substantial sum of money in his will to his black servant, Francis Barber, who had married a white woman in his life time, so that he evidently saw nothing wrong in this. The descendants of Barber continue to live in Lichfield to this day. The eminent Scottish philosopher Dr James Beattie advocated for the complete natural equality of the races in 1770. He wrote, "Had the Europeans been destitute of the arts of writing, and working in iron, they might have remained to this day as barbarous as the natives of Africa and America." I might produce further examples without end.

Actually he did.

youtube.com/watch?v=96p2YzHBi5o

Lots of the same narrative and terminology was already being used back then. It was just in its infant stages

>and you change this into "writing a book about niggers stinking."
user, I was citing the title of his book. Please don't use quotation marks when you're not quoting me, it's very dishonest.

>I don't think this is binary situation.
How can it be anything else?

To the end of his life he always advocated for a rational and humane solution to the racial crisis, whatever that might be. It would have been better to have prevented it in the first place (as he wanted) but it is here now and we have got to deal with it in the right way. He never believed in violent deportation or outlawing mixed-race marriages by law. He disclaimed all racial or religious prejudice at the founding of the B. U. F., and so too at the end of his life declared, "I never attacked any man on account of race or religion, and I never shall." He said that he would gladly take a first-rate black or Jewish man into his cabinet.

You are such a pompous faggot, lol.
Reply to my post here
I notice you ignored it because you can't think of an overly verbose, pompous and self-satisfied response with enough references to philosophy and history that you cherrypick to make it seem as though all men of quality and thought who have ever existed were and/or are not racialists, or anti-racialists.
Get over yourself mate, you are fucking pathetic.

I think civic nationalism is a huge reason why Rome ultimately fell. The main reason, really.

>be early Republican
>strong Roman traditions which uphold the political system of the Republic
>only citizens of the city of Rome can be fully enfranchised
>empire expands, use allied Italian troops to subdue the Mediterranean
>allied Italians mad that they are still not politically enfranchised despite centuries of helping Rome expand
>Social War
>provincial Italians now enfranchised as Roman citizens, Rome's traditions are muddled with the local traditions of these new "Romans"
>traditions which upheld the Republic are chipped away
>Republic collapses into new political system
>traditional Roman reverence for Mars, Romulus, and Jupiter is slowly replaced with foreign cult religions and new fabrications
>cult of Isis (Egypt), cult of Mithra (Persia), cult of Sol Invictus (perversion of native Roman religion), finally Christianity
>a few centuries pass
>Roman citizenship is now very common since all foreign peoples can earn citizenship for their descendants by serving 30 years in the military
>the city of Rome is not the political/economic center of the empire anymore
>what even is Rome anymore?
>let's just move the capital
>let's just split in the empire into 2/4 pieces
>let's just change the whole religious foundation of our empire to this foreign religion from the Middle East
>whatever let those Germans in

Evidently I don't believe race means "nothing" if I said that the founding stock of the nation has to remain in the overwhelming majority and that the demographic trends should be reversed. The point is that I take it to be spiritual and not a derivative of genetics. "I wish to keep this an overwhelmingly English nation and put an end to immigration, but I recognize that it is the only moral and just and reasonable thing to do to allow exceptions for the upstanding and patriotic non-white people who are already resident here and do not wish to leave of their own volition."

Well a more mixed society doesn't mean we don't exist anymore. Plus I honestly have found most minorities to be reasonable people, taking life quality into account here.

>Well a more mixed society doesn't mean we don't exist anymore.
You stop existing as a dutch entity and become some bizarre abomination in exchange for some kebab. You're spiritually dead already, user.

Mass immigration is more both a symptom and a cause of cultural death than a cause alone. It signifies that your people are so morally and culturally feeble that they are not willing to live any more, that they are willing to be completely taken over by an alien presence. The ultimate cause why Rome (and every other society) fell was that the people themselves became vicious and degenerate---which puts the lie to the notion that blood, rather than moral virtue, is what makes a nation great and powerful.

This anyone that is against ehno-nationalism is either a leftard,a full blow shitskin or some mongrel racemixed faggot ot some faggot that has a shitskin vagina and does not want her deported or dead.
Most of the non-racist romainians i know look like their mothers fucked gypsys surprise,surprise.If you are mixed you are not white and you have to go back.

Inform me how you suppose that a great man like Alexandre Dumas pere (let us say) was a "bizarre abomination" or anything but a perfect Frenchman. Where does his black side manifest itself except in his appearance?

Blood builds great nations but I agree moral virtue is what maintains them.

It's very hard to clean up your culture once it's become muddied. Impossible without some catastrophe, I'd say.

Well if you don't involve ethnically non-Dutch in your tradition, then yes that will surely happen. But it's not what people do and most immigrants have adjusted from what I've seen.

Quadroons have a random expression of African and European traits. He got a good mix (well, not physically). Most quadroons don't.

If moral virtue was merely what maintained them, why were Egypt, India and the East generally once great and flourishing, and Northern Europe generally barbarous?

Liberal left hates Israel you fucking retard get it in your head already

What is "dutch tradition", user? "Being dutch" is appearently not it.

would civic nationalism work if we only included east asians and whites?

>implying different races don't have different spirits.

How new to this are you, Christ...

But the point is that there is not any "blackness" or "non-Europeanness" detectable in him at all---not one whit. If race were so important there ought to be something, anything at all, particularly "black" about him---or (let us say) Thomas Sowell, to take a modern example.

I might provide examples of even full-blooded blacks (like Ignatius Sancho) who were perfectly British in everything but colour, but they would not be so well known as a man like Dumas. I simply do not see how the racialist philosophy accounts for this.

They're both dually connected.

No "racial absolutism" doors to work as an unbreakable law. But it should nontheless be the law. We just acknowledge the spirit of different races and put them in their places respectively. this is multicultural, this means HEAVY segregation, deportation, and worse.

Realistically, given the current population and mixture of the United States, how could you ever make it an Ethno-nationalist state without segregation or genocide?

You'd have to wipe the slate clean in order to achieve it.

hah... soon americans. Soon you'll be just like. A big nation with all colors and a crap heritage to be proud of it.
Welcome to the club.

That is exactly my point. The racial difference is spiritual, which means that a small alien presence, once assimilated, will not "taint" the national stock. Hence we can reverse the demographic trends by humane methods and without forcibly and unjustly deporting people who do not want to go. Hence, because both men and races are spiritual, a man (being spiritual) can make the choice to adapt himself to another culture (or his children can, or his children's children) regardless of his genetic composition. Immigration must be put a stop to but we have also got to find a humane answer to the racial crisis already on our hands, and cruel and indiscriminate treatment of all people of foreign blood is not that answer.

No.

Egyptians, pajeets, and chinks have civilization-building written in their genes. They are accomplished nations of Man who have won their right to exist. Give them a chance to start over and they would do it again. Give niggers 10,000 years and they wouldn't accomplish what the Easterners have accomplished. Abbos probably need six digits.

Europeans have built a civilization for themselves as well. Far-and-away the most effective one.

If you think that the brain is what fundamentally gives rise to the mind then you are not a dualist. You are using the word soul but it has no meaning.

I am still amazed at people not getting the whole picture

YOU CIVIC FAGGOTS, IF THE MOST RIGHT-WING FRINGE OPINON IS REGULATED IMMIGRATION AND THE LEFT'S IS NO FUCKING BORDERS, THEN THE OVERTON WINDOW SHIFTS TO AT LEAST VERY LAX IMMIGRATION POLICIES. IF YOU WANT TO SHIFT THE FUCKING OVERTON WINDOW YOU NEED TO EMPOWER EVEN MORE EXTREME DIRECTLY OPOSITE OPINIONS

The public discourse must be conditioned to acknowlege fringe right positions. This process is normalization you absolute cuckolds.

What do you think your grandparents would do if someone in the 1930s and 1940s proposed no borders and unvetted immigration from 3rd world shitholes? He would be lynched. Today it's the accepted norm, because cuckolds like YOU didn't want to hurt brown people's (and their enablers) feelings.

So GTKRWN should be the fringe, not regulated immigration.

Fucking brainlets

>Mexican immigrants' grandkids dont look like and dont have roughly the same iq as meds.


YOu retards are making a mistake by ostracizing latinos when they are red pilled as fuck anyway. You're digging you're on grave. Latinos hate blacks yet you are pushing them to ally with them because you cant be bothered to think this through. Get cucked fagbois

How can you declare there was nothing of their African ancestry in them whatsoever?

Give me 19 Anglos, 1 Ignatius Sancho, a bridge to build, and two weeks. Then I'll tell you what's different about him.

race autism is embarrassing.

Egypt was great, Egypt fell. Greece was great, Greece fell. Rome was great, Rome fell. Northern Europe was barbarous, Northern Europe rose. The only consistent measurement of the greatness or paucity of a nation in history is its share of moral virtue. Somebody might have said exactly the same things about your ancestors 2,500 years ago that you are saying about blacks. The enormous number of accomplished blacks in history puts the lie to the notion that they are incapable of civilization. Blame blacks for their actions by all means---if blacks as a community are criminal and barbarous, then blame them for it---tell them they ought to do better---that they ought to be better men----but what you are wrong to say is that, because they are so and so, they must be so and so, that they are doomed to be criminal, doomed to be barbarous. Men and nations make their destiny, for good or for ill; that is the lesson of all biography and all history.

>calls others fagoi
>larps as a goat fucker

Sad

yea, my point is still valid.

The spirit is connected to the body, friend. You're foolish to think otherwise. That said, even a Jew can be born with the spirit of the Aryan. But this is a rare exception, and should by no means be regarded as the foundation for a law.

So yes, do accept exceptional peapple, but only those who share your society's spirit.

Because the average intelligence of blacks and whites differs at this moment it does not follow that it must be so. The evidence puts the lie to that notion. (.)

2,500 years ago a Greek might have contended that Northern Europeans were barbarous and incapable of civilization.

I'm not sure but I might hate civicucks even more than commies