So it ended... with what?
It simply says Information released.
I cannot find it anywhere
The countdown's still going.
it will end at 24.00 japan time
still 5 and a half hours to go. you have to set your device to japan time
This changed everything.
yeah, japan's countdowns are always broken because they don't accomodate for people outside of japan
So, what will it be. Considering Ii on the page, shouldn't we perhaps get Zaregoto?
i really hope so. they're advertising it as saikyou, but there is hardly enough saikyou material to even make 12 episodes.
the text also says 戯言だけどね which means "it's all just nonsense (zaregoto), isn't it", which is zaregoto series' tagline
even if we don't get zaregoto anime now though, i'm sure we'll get it someday thanks to this. SHAFT is showing interest in it
It'll be a Zaregoto
i honestly wouldn't mind
is anyone here also watching the persona 5 countdown?
Yup. Two countdowns today. That music though.
God damn, a Shaft adaptation of the second Zaregoto book would be orgasmic. The things they could do with the reveal of the first killer
nearly 3 hours left! lets try to keep this thread up until the countdown finishes so we can actually discuss the result without making a new thread
Where did you find the full size art?
If there isn't any key visuals idc. We already know shaft is doing this. We need more information
why's that? because shaft never gets anything done on time?
There was a trailer right after Kizu countdown.
Yeah. Only 4 years late.
Maybe they'll do a four or five episode special
We already know shaft is doing this.
That's not a given at all. Each Nisioisin anime series so far has been produced by a different studio.
yeah, i'm really hoping there's a zaregoto/saikyou PV right when the countdown ends, though an announcement woud be good enough for me
shaft is one of the keywords in the website's source code
Zaregoto's MC is like Araragi 0.5a.
Please no Akio Watanabe designs. He's great but repetitive. He was amazing early on but everything now looks like a gatari clone
definitely not. they'll probably try to replicate take's style
Oh, I see. That's a little disappointing.
Shaft is known to mimic the sources style. Idk if they would go as far as White Fox though.
Nisio Anime Project twitter said it is related to Saikyou stuff.
what's wrong with shaft?
Anime about another nisio's best girl?
Shaft will probably ruin it if they adapt Zaregoto, Saikyou and Zerosaki. These three do not need any visual allegories to be successful.
they are nothing alike
Eh, if they leave it in the hands of Oishi it'll be a decent adaptation.
Best boy is Araragi.
But Shaft can into subtleties but they are bad with into detective/logical reasoning stories. Look at Ougi Formula and Sodachi Riddle. I don't know whether Oishi can pull it or not though.
Nisio's detectives are horrible. But he likes to write them a lot.
they are bad with into detective/logical reasoning stories.
how could they be bad with something they didn't write
Well, I just think Shaft's output over the last few years has been fairly weak and would've liked to see someone else take it on.
Oishi's busy with Kizu though. He wouldn't be doing this unless it's being released later next year.
kizu is done isn't it? i just assume that they're releasing it in intervals
adaptation screenplay =/= original writing.
adaptation can be worse than original source material.
Shaft's output over the last few years
Madoka, Rebellion, Second Season.
adaptation can be worse than original source material.
But that's not what that guy was talking about. He assumed Shaft was to blame for Nisio's detective stories.
You're forgetting the weak stuff; Mekakucity Actors, Koufuku Graffiti, Niskeoi and Sasami-san
that was pretty retarded.
Though I do agree some of Nisio's detective stories are decent at best. Most of them only work if you self insert as MC/narrator.
Graffiti was boring. Okada should stick to original stuff.
Set your device to japan time.
Mekakucity had a few problems(the horrible CGI) that Shaft are to blame, but most of the blame falls on Jin who fucked up the screenplay and the anime turned into an awful mess. All the other adaptations they did after 2011. were good adaptations of awful source material, you just can't polish a turd so much that it magically becomes good. I like Zaregoto and still think that Shaft is the right studio for anything Nisio related.
I wonder if Kamiya is in here.
Yeah, like I said, weak.
Oh we have a troll. Carry on.
But Gainax made Medaka Box and it wasn't terrible at all. A-1 or I.G are my top picks for something like Zaregoto and its spinoff, provided that they hired directors that are well versed in mystery stuff.
yfw zaregoto by kyoani
how would this turn out? they DID make hyouka
It'd be the most interesting KyoAni show ever because it wouldn't immediately look like a KyoAni show
It would be interesting, but I don't want the characters to look like typical Kyoani characters.
Also, Hyouka was pretty boring.
There's still hope right,
The dream is dead
it'll be fine. i believe there'll be a zaregoto anime
40 more minutes
Something wrong with site?
Yup. You're not in Japan.
less than 45 minutes left!
No one cares about Zareshit
anyone still here? only a few more minutes to go
it's going to be nothing
i have those bookmarks
Only 17 people are here because no one cares for Nisio's worst work.
i thought this thread was about zaregoto, not me and my broken world
that's not monogatari
Is something supposed to happen?
Yeah, anime announced.
An actual Zaregoto anime. This is all I wanted, japan.
Ok, i can already hear hanae natsuki doing Iichan
Welp, colour me surprised. Hope it's a complete adaptation.
I was expecting to leave this tread disappointed.
I've never been so happy to be wrong.
And now let us pray that it might actually be good.
FUCK YOU HAHA
What studio is it?!
me too, man
what a great day to be alive
NOW RITSUKA AND MINUS ARC
shaft. we knew this since the beginning
in other threads said it was written SHAFT in the code
I made this thread in full expectation that this will be no more than a Saikyou adaptation.
But to get Zaregoto?!
that is legit source.
The mod just trolled the followers, nothing else.
I looked at it, but it really is just a bunch of keywords for search, like Shaft, Aniplex even has Owarimonogatari, Kizumonogatari in it.
They still announced a new volume kf Saikyou LN
that's fucking retarded since everyone knows it's gonna be out in a few days
5 days countdown for almost nothing?
For a zaregoto announcement. That isn't nothing you pleb.
Where is details?
How do they animate the unreliable narration of volume 2 without being super obvious about it?
Official confirmation of a Zaregoto anime isn't really "nothing", but since it was the most obvious possibility and there doesn't seem to be any info beyond "it's happening" it does seem almost anti-climatic.
Pretty sure Shaft has done it many times in the Gatari series.
there aren't any yet, but an announcement is enough to make me happy. i assume they'll follow up with details in a bit
So what is the appeal of Zaregoto? From this thread it seems like a big dea.l
Nisio and Shaft. Read the source.
koimonogatari: hitagi end
I hope they do cast him.
Just in time, Monogatari and Madoka are ending and SHAFT doesn't have any other franchise to milk
FUCK ZAREGOTO MAN WHERES THE MANIWAGATARI OVA WHITEFOX??
it's only 9 books, and a few of them are somewhat short. i guess they could make it a bit longer if they throw in ningen and saikyou though
I don't think it's gonna be Shaft. Shaft is pretty busy with kizu, owari, 3gatsu, fate and probably Madoka.
To adapt fully means to milk now? You kids have been robbed of a full adaption for years and now you criticize it.
it's only 9 books
Did you forget the Saikyou Series?
I know that. What I ask is how is the story. Will be like monogatari, story-wise?
Who are not tied with any project as of right now, anyway?
i said they could throw in ningen and saikyou to make it a little longer, but zaregoto on it's own isn't so long
Will be like monogatari, story-wise?
Probably not. It has some actions, murders and logical reasoning stuff. I do hope they get A-1 with Subete ga F ni Naru quality.
Half the staff in kizu isn't even part of SHAFT, Owari? that ended last year, 3gatsu is set for fall of this year and Fate for next year. They have many projects but none really clash with each other.
Kizu is probably already done and just being split up as a marketing gimmick. Owari has their own staff working on it. 3 Gatsu will probably be Shinobu doing his thing so he doesn't need to oversee the other projects. Fate is all the way in 2017 we dont even know which season it will air. Forget about madoka is over sheesh. Besides they are all backed by Aniplex so I'm not worried.
Owari? that ended last year
How and where can I read this?
Itamura sucks at directing a mystery where the characters just sit in a fucking room and talk about the past, so everyone at the studio can't possibly adapt a mystery work
Wow. Great logical reasoning friend.
Kizu is probably already done and just being split up as a marketing gimmick.
Do you have a source on that?
so, is this a harem anime?
It was watered down. I don't specifically said he's bad at it. It is just not his forte, to me.
And you guys said it wasn't happening.
I do hope they get A-1 with shit quality
Your reading comprehension baffles me.
I like Shaft, like you faggots do but this just isn't Shinbo's stuff. Maybe Tatsuwa or Oishi could pull it off but seriously not Shinbo. Itamura is still questionable to me.
Also, go and watch Perfect Insider, you faggot.
Nice. I hope we get some
I know it's impossible but imagine if they announce KyoAni as the studio adapting it. Only thinking about the shitstorm that would ensue got me all horny and sweaty.
Hopefully this isn't just a movie, right?
Started reading Zaregoto
Why is MC such an edgelord fag.
Literally a no fun allowed Araragi.
Iori was a normal girl until she was about to get killed by one of her friends who she manages to fight off and kill instead. Before she can think about what just happened, Zerozaki Soushiki appears and tells her about her developing urges of a cutthroat murderer and that she is supposed to be his new sister, the newest member of the Zerozaki family.
This sounds way too edgy, is it the right character?
He is like Shichika.
You, and me too now.
I'd still love it.
I'm reading the synopsis and a few character profiles and the lore is way too convoluted. I'm not sure how they're going to make it work without heavy expository dialogues and narration. Actually one of the reasons I didn't like Bake is for the complete disregard of the show don't tell rule in visual storytelling.
4 anime series, 3 movies, 2 manga series, oneshots, 50-60 LN volumes
monogatari is one of the most successful anime series of our time
LNs sell good
and the lore is way too convoluted
welcome to every Nisio work ever.
How many of the novels are translated?
2 officially, and up to 5 with fan TLs.
the first 5, volume 6 is 1/4 translated and still going, though slowly
Five. Maybe the guy translating it will get some motivation from the anime announcement, but in my opinion he's not doing a great job.
Zaregoto means nonsense.
Yase Yuki is not a bad director and he can handle a large cast well. The character interaction in MCA was fine. It was just that the script was shit af. I want to see him redeem himself with Zaregoto. Let the young Shaft directors have a shot.
Nisio once again gets SHAFT
Is Sup Forums ever not BTFO?
Did you watch that show?
in speed he's not, but he's a great translator
I like the Nisio SHAFT combo, personally. I hope it starts a trend of the rest of his stuff getting complete adaptations due to not having as much monogatari left to adapt. Incomplete adaptations are the plague of the industry.
It sells so I'm pretty confident we'll get everything or most of nisio work animated, what a time to be alive.
How about SZS, anon?
New season never, the moment the radio show was kill.
I can't really see him as Ii-kun for some reason. That said, I don't really know who could pull it off. I can think of Oogata Megumi's job as Kumagawa to be close, but still not quite fitting.
It still went on longer than most series would ever see.
don't forget to laugh seven years from now
I think it's 78 days until we can laugh
Can't really agree with that. After finishing volume 5 in english I started reading from volume 6 in moon since my studies were starting to give fruit. After reading Vol. 6 I went back to check his translation of the prologue and wasn't really impressed by his choices. The translation was not really incorrect, but still felt off to me. It's Nisio we're talking about so maybe it can't be helped. On the other hand I think the guy translating Neko Shiro did a really good job at putting up with Nisio.
will there be a new season?
how far into your studies was that? i'm 6 months in and i can sort of read hyouka and narita
nope. No ending adaptation
I'm fucking hyped. It's also a complete series which is great
If so, they need to find a new seiyuu for Fujiyoshi.
Not that anon but if you can read Narita's, I'd say you learn pretty fast, anon.
How much of the manga is unadapted?
okay, i read narita, with a bit of trouble. spesifically center of the world hariyama san
Try reading the first book on japanese.
I think you'll appreciate the fantranslation a lotta more
what if they've had a new season locked away for a while and were waiting 7 years to release it
6 months of kanji and the language itself??
Can't really tell. It may have been around the time I took N3, but since I got a full score it it isn't a really accurate a measurement.
may be right, I never read Narita, but doesn't look easy. I'd say you should go for it and try if you want, you'll learn even faster like that. A lot of Nisio's works can be found in aozora bunko format, so if you have a kindle you're pretty much set.
yep. 6 months straight of studying every single day, starting since the end of last october
i own zaregoto actually, i just can't read it very well. i just wanted to see how much further to go until i was just like you
animated by Shaft
did you take any courses or did you learn everything by yourself? I'm also thinking of trying to learn it next year,been stalking the DJT for a week just to find some way for self teaching.
Guess I can try it when I'm done with the Boukyaku Tantei series books.
I also own it, but being able to look up stuff on the go is pretty handy.
I actually have read Zaregoto until Kubitsuri Highschool, half of Shoujo Fujuubun and most of Monogatari books. Narita's wording is pretty similar to Nisio's. The only difference is Nisio likes to insert pun and his unreliable narration into his writings.
learned everything by myself. get the best textbooks and learning materials, get anki, get some good books, and study every day DON'T MISS A DAY
is that so? i found narita a lot easier than nisio, though still difficult, but i guess i'm on the right track
Zaregoto anime confirmed?
Who voices ( me ) ?
I want to jam it into the blue savant.
oh look its this meme again.
Shoujo Fujuubun may be one of the books where Nisio just went and made a story that could be told in a few pages into a full book by adding random stuff, by I advise you read it through the end. i think it's really important to understand Nisio.
You only find t difficult to read Nisio because of the styling he chose. Try reading his earlier stuff, like Zaregoto, they are much easier to read than Monogatari and Okitegami.
no, he is been teaed around but only one real love interest.
and he hate her
I'm still reading it. Right now I'm swtching in between Wazamonogatari, Okitegami Vol 2 and SF.
So 9 volumes of the main series and then 7 of the spin off. If they're adapting the main series, is it enough for a 1 cour or 2 cour?
Isn’t there something really scary about people who knowingly, consciously, use others as stepping-stones?”
Actually, it’s the people who unknowingly—with all the best of intentions and delusions of just cause—use other people who are way more disturbing.
This is gonna be a fucking mess, Shaft can't adapt shit without making it full of stupid jokes, meta imaginery and unnecessary pop culture references. This is a mystery series and I think they are the less suitable studio to adapt it.
Would have to be 26 episodes for the first season and 12 episodes for a second to complete Zaregoto adaption.
thanks anon, I'll try!
Watch more shaft before looking like a pleb.
What? That's only because some of what they adapt is loose enough for adding in things like that. It seems you've only watched those.
Denpa Onna had less meta imagery, less stupid jokes and no cultural references. It worked just fine.
Zaregoto is also full of pop-culture references though. I hope they do a good job with Aikawa Jun jumping from a sitting position Zeppeli-style.
Anyone own the first book in English? Or the whole series in Japanese?
The first book is fucking expensive in English.
Entire gimmick of Zaregoto is based around unreliable narrator
How the fuck is this going to work?
I just bought both books.
I hope I don't regret it
Shaft finds a way
i own the whole series in japanese. literally costs pocket change. you can get all 9 books for 15$
How the fuck is this going to work?
I thought so, that exchange rate is nice. I might as well get it since I liked books 1 and 2
So this is better hakomari?
Like with Mekaku City Actors
Half of volume 2 is just black frames
People will be impressed.
I'm pretty sure that doesn't matter, it's just getting made cause it'll probably sell regardless of anything
I guess it's too deep for kyoanifags
Doubt they are going with that style. Anyways they deviated from it a lot throughout the years. Even though Kizu does have that it isn't as much as when Bake was exploring that style.
But narration is easy to do in anime in general. HxH did it well in the CA arc.
We all know that wasnt even a passion project. It was a quick cash grab while they were animating Hana and Nisekoi. Besides MCA's fault was its script not direction.
I blame Jin mostly, the CG shit though was unfogivable
They might be able to do it. The novel did it by having a seemingly coherent flow of events. That is perfectly achievable with animation cuts. It probably won't come out as well, since anime being a visual medium means they have to actually show what's going on, instead of just Ii-kun narrating, but it's doable.
Even that wasn't shaft. Yes its their fault due to management but that cg was outsourced.
inb4 Umineko tier adaptation full of logic errors.
I'm genuinely excited to see how the fuck are they going to animate that, and I think the reveal will be glorious
It was just a badly managed attempted cash grab project off a big rabid fanbase is what happened. Turns out it's mostly preteen fanbase didn't really follow it to animated form.
oh. Then Shaft is partly forgiven
I don't even remember volume 1 that well. Who was killed?
In vol2 for example, it will be way too obvious if they have to hide the important parts with cuts, black frames or however they choose to do it. It works in written form because the information is so limited anyway so the viewer doesn't question it.
that artist bitch
Right, right, now I remember. The beheadings, of course.
I bought vol 2 to read it but skipped 1 since it was fucking expensive.
How many episodes do you guys think this needs for a full adaption? I think 3 cours would do the job. If they want to go 12, 12, 12 or 24 + 12 I'd be happy.
A-1 Pictures is fucking terrible
They are only good for their production values
I actually don't think it's too hard to do. At least it shouldn't be difficult to fool nonreaders.
Shinbou can do great things considering that everyone at Shaft just mimics his style to a certain degree.
Who will voice Aikawa Jun? This is an important matter.
is that the same artist as for Katanagatari?
Even those are massively overrated and hit or miss
If its true to be Shaft then expect their normal pool of VAs.
Shall we get a fake spoiler list going? Mix in a few real ones, why not.
It'll be either Chiwa Saito or Maaya Sakamoto just because that's the convenient easy and popular choice for continuity in things that brought in money and commentary from Monogatari
Yeah, it's Take all right.
I'd rather have Sawashiro.
Marches comes like a Lion - Team Shinbo
Kizumonogatari - Team Oishi
rest of Monogatari - Team Itamura
Fate - Team Tatsuwa
Zaregoto - Team Yuki Yase
It was so obvious that they weren't even trying with Mekakushitty
It wasn't just bad, it was lazy. Watching it, it was clear to me that nobody on staff was devoted to the project at all, save for Jin, who is just an idiot.
Sawashiro is great but in this case Chiwa Saito would be a better fit, damn when I read Zaregoto I imagined Aikawa's voice as Chiwa
Fate - Team Tatsuwa
NO! He is good with comedy but I dont want to see Fate go that route. Rather have Yukihiro Miyamoto.
Fate is a big comedy.
For fuck sake. I did mention only if they hire the same director that did Subete ga F ni Naru. Its screenplay was decent and pretty suitable to what Zaregoto offers you.
Do you really want sparkly shit everywhere? Cuz that's what Tatsuwa does
A-1 aren't really a studio, just a bunch of freelancers put together by Sony/Aniplex when required. Their staff varies tons.
So did I, I think she would fit really well.
While that is true they do have a signature style of animation. I can easily tell the character designs being A1.
What about boku-sama chan then?
I can't fucking wait.
what will the OP be like?
Please no. She should voice worst girl from vol 2.
I don't think the BokuMachi anime looked very A1.
she should do Ichihime
White Fox was already quite close to the original character designs for Katanagatari.
Can't wait to see how Shaft will do an even better job.
That's a long neck.
But Maaya would be perfect, anon. Chiwa is indeed versatile but then again, she didn't have that Aikawa Jun's appeal in her voice. Try watching Digimon Cybersleuth playthru, Kyoko is rather close to Aikawa in nature.
no.she should play Mikoko. I want to see her
fate extra anime
kizu last movie
Shaft will have an incredible 2017
look more closely
Character designs vary across A-1 series but they're all animated with similar style and technique
you're implying that zaregoto will come out in 2017
anime production usually starts 8/9 months before airing.
So, yes I am
I don't believe it has a chance to come out this year.
Do you think it will be 2018, then?
Easily. Monogatari can finish everything up in 1 cour. Kizu is basically done just release it. With that they are only working on Fate, 3 Gatsu, and Zaregoto.
3 Gatsu is on NHK so we can expect 2 cours. Probably wont need a crazy budget since its SoL. Even koufuku looked amazing.
Fate has that type moon budget so there is no worries there. SL showed great animation improvement compared to their other series.
Zaregoto can come out whenever in 2017 and not be hindered. Look at Shaft 2013 their biggest projects were set that year.
Fuck. Even more reasons to postpone killing myself.
Implying that isn't Shaft.
My ears are bleeding.
You mean of volume 2? that's pretty much the only time it's used.
Shaft is sure that premium Aniplex studio.
Why are Tomo and Hime so short?
Mankind's Strongest? More like Mankind's Jobbest.
Shaft will never make anime based on small manga titles again
So sad to know del rey cancelled this cause they didn't sell shit, but everybody will be super overhyped as soon as the first ep is released because "yoo! another work from monogaytari's author, this gon' be so weird and unique (shaft™). My fav anime from now on"
We just had koufuku
over a year ago
Look at how long it took Monogatari to get picked up. Light novels generally do like shit because weeaboos need more pretty pictures and can't read proper books.
What is this?
Who is the main girl?
Who is the best girl?
Who is the best boy?
1st char is best girl/boy/main girl
( me )
Do you have a source on that?
Yeah - the impossibility of making 3 full, beautiful movies in one year (connected movies, too) and somehow not doing it at the same time.
Del Rey is dead
No one will pick up and publish the rest of the novels
Maybe vertical in the future. Or Yen Press they are already building up a big reputation.
Fuck. Even more reasons to postpone killing myself.
I know that feel.
When I found out that Bakemono was being released this winter in English, I gained a few months of life
Maybe vertical in the future.
Vertical is a possibility, but in their recent "what do you want" questionnaire, they disallowed picking up dead/dropped series for some reason
They're all qts
I think I should rewatch Katanagatari.
This makes me worried for their schedule. They have this, 3-gatsu, that Madoka project, Fate Extra and the last two parts of Kizu. Where will they fit the next monogatari season?
Monogatari is good
Katanagatari is good
Zaregoto has a chance to be good
Is Medeka Box the only animated Nisio show not to be good?
Well Nisio's work in general doesn't translate well in manga format. On top of that Gainax.
They can easily fit it in. Only 3 gatsu is coming out this year, as its confirmed and Fate sometime in 2017. Owari/Zoku can fit anywhere. Dont worry about Kizu thats being outsourced anyways.
Is there hope for the novel license to be rescued?
If Zaregoto ends up getting as popular with the West as Bakemono did, there's a chance.
That said, things don't generally get rescued - especially not LNs, which tend to sell less than manga anyway.
So Jun, Medaka, and Kisshot all walk into a bar...
Wasn't it also used in volume 5, by the end Ii was just making shit up because everyone else expected him to, and everybody else was playing along because they wanted him to make shit up?
Makes me wonder why they teased that Madoka thing on their events.
Because it's a Madogatari event. Madoka and Monogatari.
The Zaregoto announcement isn't related.
It hasn't even been confirmed to be Shaft
It could be White Fox again for all we know
here's your confirmation
By that logic it's also Owarimonogatari
Looks like, as mentioned earlier, they just threw in a bunch of tags.
what if Itamura does Zaregoto
Wouldn't really work out if they want to finish Monogatari around the time Kizu Part 3, which would make the most sense imo.
We also don't know what happened with Yukihiro Miyamoto. Possible that he is working on the next Madoka project.
But Shaft fucked up a bunch of Monogatari arcs due to their heavy schedule in 2013.
Not really. Anyone who thinks that is probably over analyzing. Many people I've talked to love Second Season and don't really see the arc flaws. I know they are there but my bias chooses to ignore them. The flaws weren't even major enough to even mention them. At the end of the day everyone has an opinion but there is a reason why second season is known as the best season.