How did anime end up being better than western cartoons?

How did anime end up being better than western cartoons?

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The West ran out of creative juices after the 90's animation renaissance, so now it has to build back up. In the mean time, tumblr will eat anything, so it'll survive.

Western animation is for children.

because the west focuses on other things to develope

I really like this image. Saved. No sarcasm or 'meme'ing.

To be fair, "better than Western cartoons" isn't exactly setting the bar high

>To be fair
>setting the bar

Did you misunderstand the OP, or are you just posting some stock phrase that popped into your head?

The last good 2D animate western cartoon I watched was Heavy Metal, has anything good come out since then?

Because the west is slowing losing their free speech and the cartoons were the first casualties

I wish I'd seen Porco Rosso when I was 12-13 years old. I loved Tale Spin and stuff like that as a kid.

The Amazing World of Gumball is a fucking pleasure just to look at, but y'know it's kiddy slapstick shit.

More like I tried to make a point and it came out badly.

Western cartoons today are shit.
SHIIITTTTT.

Rick and Morty is pretty good though tbqh fa m.

The west hates animation
or at least America does

It has cuter girls, it has more of them and they do cuter things.
/thread

I know Italy and France love anime, but they only produced weird copies like Wakfu

Because there's no creativity left. I'm not even trying to be one of those nostalgiafags, old animation was god tier
>Snow White tale once again
>Except this time Snow White is a fish
>Ice Age 2: Electric Boogaloo
Shrek was a mistake.

At least our 3D guys are pretty good. Big Hero 6 had a stupid plot but the animation was gorgeous.

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>3DCG

most western cartoons are episodic to increase potential viewer numbers, although there is no over arching story all the episodes of such series usually have a common theme.

Differences in target audience
Which is to say as a whole western manchildren are worse than eastern manchildren

bow down to the future of the western animation industry
seriously though as a /3/fag, there will always be 2d animation

No money in it unless it's a comedy. American cartoons are pretty top tier comedy.

Also you're ignoring a lot of great animated movies that were made using computer animation instead of traditional animation.

Even then you're ignoring some older great movies/shows- most to the Classic Disney library, the Batman Animated series, golden age Simpsons, ect.

Some of the best adult humor cartoons have come out in the last 10 years. Bojack Horseman is great cynical humor

Thank god Japan prefers pandering to people who actually buy their shit

We stopped giving a fuck long before they did.
Alternatively, they simply waited for Futurama to end.
It still has some jokes that hit. That, and the realistic 3D model cars with cel-shaded headlights make me hard.
I often wonder what mature western cartoons catch on in Japan. Do our jokes translate better than theirs do?

>Shrek was a mistake
Wish DreamWorks had made more 2D stuff

>American cartoons are pretty top tier comedy.
What decade do you think this is?

>American cartoons are pretty top tier comedy.

Can you say that with a straight face when this exists and when the Simpsons went full retard?

That's like saying all anime is bad because Naruto exists. Fucking retard.

>that gif

fucking KEK

Old Disney and WB cartoons were too good.

He said western cartoons are top tier comedy, not that all western cartoons are top tier.

Need I remind you about the PPG reboot?
Or how about Teen Titans GO?

What is
>South Park
>Archer
>American Dad
>Venture Bros
Just to name a few.

So do you want me to start brining up Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece now? Or do you want me to do that after I bring up all the moe shit that's being turned out?

Also I never said what was popular is "good" fuckwit.

>American Cartoon vs Japanese Anime General #1,150

>South Park
Been shit for a long time
>Archer
Okay
>American Dad
I hope you're not serious
>Venture Bros
Legitimately good
Well you're one-and-a-half for four. I expected at least Futurama.

They weren't constrained by the wests cultural views on what comics and cartoons can be.

In the west, it's viewed to be for children - extremely safe and for children. There exists the adult cartoons such as family guy, simpsons and such but those too are also quite simply animation wise and are generally only "mature" in terms of humor.

The japs took the opposite route.

>almost got a 5 a double dubs
You're losing your touch, Yami

>that new PPG

I felt so empty after watching the new shows first episode

I wasn't going for anything.

Japan doesn't have white actors to cast, but they want all their characters to look white.

So...

I think part of the problem as well is that most people with artistic talent in the West aren't funneled into 'immature' things like producing entertainment whereas anyone with artistic talent in Japan is going to be nurturing his talents with manga in mind.

If you throw millions and millions at a project you would expect it to look good. Japan can't hope to compete against Hollywood money.

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But you didn't like the memes? Kids these days love them memes!

>South Park
>Shit
Sorry user, didn't know you had no tastes
>Archer
>Okay
Eh difference of opinion
>American Dad
>Not fucking fantastic
This is just the most wrong opinion you can have. Seriously have you watched any of it beyond season 1? It's actually extremely good.

>Futurama
We are talking about more recent shows so I didn't include it. Otherwise I would've listed King of the Hill too.

There's also Bob's Burgers but that's honestly pretty hit or miss.

Cory is not just a measly cartoon, it's true kino

Also helps that our animation departments are REALLY fucking good over here. Underneath the hive of garbage that is most animation programs, Some of of the programs are really good

>t. someone who went to Sheridan

I wonder if there are real westaboos waiting eagerly for Frozen 2 or something like that.

They're called normalfags.

>It's actually extremely good
hell no

I like some episodes, but you are overrating it so much. It suffers from the usual bullshit flanderization of characters you see in long running western shows

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I meant Japanese people who dislike Japanese animation and think western animation is patrician.

That and anybody doing animation is more or less comes from Calarts which really promotes a "cartoony" style which is basically only good for kids shows.

Other than that most of our serious shows are all based off capeshit. I mean the DC animated universe is fantastic, but at the end of the day people are still going to think of it as capeshit.

do you think 2ch posts twitter caps about characters being gay or some shit to argue until the thread 404's?

Eh, Western animation is pretty good. They just don't do anything with it.

>because the west focuses on other things to develope

Basically this. The west is still fairly dominated by the idea that cartoons are for silly stuff (Thanx to Walt Disney and his silly melodies) and therefore are only good for kids or for grotesque shit that makes you laugh.

The same demographic that in Japan is interested in the more serious anime in the west is exclusively interested in live action TV series.

Things like Game of Thrones, Buffy, Lost, Battlestar Galactica or Firefly could have as well been cartoons as there are anime that aren't really that much different in structure and scope. However if they were animated instead of live actions they would have reached a different demographic.

In the end anyone who is aiming to provide video entertainment for that demographic, be it producers, directors or writers, will rather invest their efforts to produce live action TV series rather than cartoons.

Japan fucking loved Frozen, the nips must be hype as fuck

I'm still pissed about TTG. We could've had a reboot or a time-jump or SOMETHING.
This, essentially. It's a difference in attitude towards media. Cartoons are for the kids, and for adult TV, you get your 30 Rock or CSI, etc. There are exceptions, but it's not that the west can't make 'good' cartoons, it's just that they don't.

because digital came and cartoons went from realistic to no colour shading.

Yeah. japanese normalfags. Check the JP itunes store every once in a while. Then you'll understand.

Here come the shading fags

>Buffy
>anime

I would kill for this

>Suffer from Falnderization
But they don't, seriously how much have you watched?

The characters change so much from episode to episode that it's impossible to Falnderize them. Also if anything they're less parodies of themselves then they started as.

Stan use to be just "stupid republican CIA agent", Haley was "Liberal daughter" and the rest were just generic Seth characters to advance the plot. By seasons 4 gained a lot of depth or at the very least some variety in their motivations and actions.

It doesn't take a westaboo to be into Frozen, Japan was obsessed with that shit along with probably most of the world.

Disney has never been realistic. They've just had a lot more time to work on cartoons and polish. They used to spend hours painting backgrounds on huge fucking canvases. Japanese animators do the same thing but they're limited to small paper and watercolor/gouache under a strict time limit, and the backgrounds are usually outsourced anyway so there's no internal direction.

The West really just doesn't see cartoons as hilarious.

I've dated multiple girls who I can't even get to watch animated comedies because they just don't like animated stuff. Animation has a huge stigma here.

It's not that the animation is bad, it's just that the art style doesn't lend itself to serious subject mater and cape stuff will never be taken that seriously.

*serious, not hilarious.

Thanks again autocorrect.

They've changed some, sure. Probably just because sticking with the tropes began to hinder the writing process.

I wouldn't consider them as characters in the sense that they evolve and change over time due to consequences or legitimate development based off plot. You can generally pick any episode from american dad and still be familiar with the characters. generally. And it's like that for almost every western adult cartoon.

I would say Archer is an examply of western animation breaking the mold in that sense actually. Because so much plot happens in that show that Archer is not the same guy he was in episode 1 to the latest episodes. Things don't reset with every episode.

>yfw King of The Hill was a better SoL than 90% of actual anime
>yfw we'll never get another show with that art style, but relatively good hand-animation again

Cartoon aesthetics are dead.

Story arc lasts longer then 2 episodes. Do the Japanese have lower rates of ADD? They probably do.

What the happened to the last batch of Disney traditional animators after the company moved on to CG? Retirement? Did they apply their talent elsewhere? Were some assimilated and relegated to different functions? I know Glen Keane at least still works as character designer.

I couldn't put my finger on why I liked Archer so much, despite it going on for 7 seasons now. That's it. Things change. Characters, settings, stakes. It's not the same show it was 6 seasons ago.
Have you even watched anime?
Storyboarding, likely.

They don't age. It's either reboot or remake after sales start to decline or they stubbornly keep the cast same age for decades.

I don't really mean that the American Dad cast developed as characters in the sense where they evolved in universe, I mean that the writers started to change them so they court avoid the same old tropes.

Which is to say they didn't suffer from flanderization. If they had Stan would be an even bigger Republican big government CIA stooge. Which he really isn't. He's a kind of whacky father who's also sometimes the serious voice of reason who works for the CIA when it's convenient to the plot.

Archer actually suffered from a lot of Flanderization during Archer Vice, and even a little in Season 6, though mostly for side characters like Krieger.

It's a comfy plane.

American animated movies have had about fifty percent of them be amazing in the past couple of decades. The shows suck, yes, but the movies are awesome.

Holy shit that gif makes me bust out laughing every fucking time.

Time to pirate old cartoons.

Western cartoons are superior for memes.

it's hard to flanderize when characters are already absurd from conception/have the capacity to be absurd from conception

>Animation has a huge stigma here.

I wouldn't say that at all. I think animation in the west is still very popular, especially with the mid-twenties demographic. Pretty much all my normie friends religiously watch shows like South Park, the Simpsons or shit that airs on Adultswim. In fact proof that animation in the west is alive and well is the rise of Adultswim. The thing is it never took off outside of comedy shows. So westerners that don't like to watch that genre kinda automatically write off animation as just that. For older people all animation ever was was either Disney or looney toons. My parents love old disney movies for example, but for them it's still just "kids stuff".

I'd say there's a very large adult audience for animation in the west, but all the channels ever produce for adult audiences are comedy shows like Rick and Morty.

I'm not seeing it for Archer.
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>tfw Disney sequels are always shit, but I'd still love a Frozen 2 despite knowing I'd be horribly disappointed

You did this to me, Elsa.

>dating 3D girls

Seriously though, my gf likes anime (terrible harem and shounenshit, but it's animation) and liked Zootopia when I dragged her to it, so I don't think the stigma against animation is all encompassing.

I wish more SOLs followed that dynamic.

>comfy as fuck without being boring or plotless
>actually good characters
>decent, but simple artstyle

>not seeing it with Archer
Really? Vice was basically just "Archer screws up way more then before due to stupid stuff because apparently this is funny". Krieger basically became "unstable scientist who might be Hitler's clone and is terrible at his job".

Season 6 saw Kerieger become an even bigger parody of himself, and for Cheryl and Pam to take a few steps back from their character development back to their wild and zany antics.

It may not be the worst case, but it's there.

I wouldn't say all encompassing but of the four girls I've last dated three were pretty much all against animated stuff. With maybe Frozen and more recently Zootopia as a rare exception. Disney movies tend to always be an exception to the rule.

I mean fuck I work with a bunch of Army Rangers and they all loved the fuck out of Frozen.

>I wouldn't say all encompassing but of the four girls I've last dated three were pretty much all against animated stuff. With maybe Frozen and more recently Zootopia as a rare exception. Disney movies tend to always be an exception to the rule.

Maybe it's just because she's black, and blacks are the biggest fucking weebs in the U.S., but I haven't seen that. I guess for more normalfag girls that would be the case though. Animation rocks, I don't get how people couldn't like it.


>I mean fuck I work with a bunch of Army Rangers and they all loved the fuck out of Frozen.

Well Frozen had two of the top waifus of the century so I would hope so.

I wouldn't say anime is better, but the anime industry is much larger and much more diverse.
A big part is the cost of making cartoons here in the West and the risk associated with it. Another big factor is the stigma of cartoons being for kiddies, which is slowly going away. These largely stem from the "Dark Age of Animation" which ranged from, depending on who you ask, the mid 50's to '89. The death of the theatrical short, several flops from Disney and over saturation via Hannah Barbara and Ruby Spears all culminated in a much more cautious AAA industry.

>Animation rocks, I don't get how people couldn't like it.
Hey man you're preaching to the choir. I wish I had to a girl to watch Red Line, Porcco Rosso, or even just South Park with. But outside of a nerdy girls it just isn't common.

>well Frozen had two of the top waifus of the century so I would hope so.
They didn't like it for the wiafus. I'm honestly not really sure why the likes it so much to be honest, just that the really liked it.

>Hey man you're preaching to the choir. I wish I had to a girl to watch Red Line, Porcco Rosso, or even just South Park with. But outside of a nerdy girls it just isn't common.


That's true. I wasn't saying you didn't like animation or anything, I just don't get how more people can't like it. Shit is nice on a basic level.

>They didn't like it for the wiafus

Aside from them it wasn't that great in my opinion, aside from the animation and character designs. I guess if you haven't seen much animation then it could come off as great though.

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>them it wasn't that great in my opinion, aside from the animation and character designs. I guess if you haven't seen much animation then it could come off as great though.
To be fair we aren't exactly animation experts, even if we do have a fair amount of guys who like anime.

That being said I think it was mostly the music and girly stuff. Guys also loved Pitch Perfect. Again I have no clue why. I'm sure a psychologist would have a field day talking about "hyper masculinity" and an "attraction to feminine values" but whatever.

So I know the west views animation as something for kids. so how did this happen. and why does this notion still persist to this day?

>That last one
Who the fuck could possibly consider that swimsuit "skimpy"?
It's not even a vanilla one-piece, goes halfway down her thigh.

Sounds like you've been dating ultra extreme normies

We don't call them Sup Forumsmblr for nothing.

is it some tradition to always bully/mock Sup Forums related stuff or western animation in general for being shit?

It largely came about after Hannah Barbara made it big. Scooby Doo's popularity flooded the market with mindless copies aimed at children. Then the 80's rolled around and we got hit with a shitton of toy commercials like He-Man and GI-Joe. It's just sort of stuck around, likely due to an attempt to seem mature.

Frankly, they deserve it. The West is superior in pretty much other medium and has the most potential for creative work, but they drop the ball on comics and cartoons.

Creative freedom that isn't suppressed, at least not heavily, by christian moral values. Japan also never had the Animation Ghetto like America does.

You guys seriously underestimate how prudish American society as a whole is, despite the occasions of being completely slutty. It's a really odd dichotomy, and even after living here my whole life I really don't understand it, but having a cartoon girl wearing a onesie is a huge event here.