Should the 1986 machine gun ban be lifted? Wouldn't it be easier to commit mass shootings with a machine gun...

Should the 1986 machine gun ban be lifted? Wouldn't it be easier to commit mass shootings with a machine gun? Wouldn't machine guns used by criminals cause more innocent people getting shot?

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90%+ homicides are commited by niggers with pistols.

No you retard all guns should be banned. Only dumb Americans disagree

All the machine gun ban achieved was forcing people to learn to aim..

All gun bans should be lifted you fucking communist

There is no machine gun ban. I've shot them several times. You just need an expensive permit. Because niggers can't afford the permit, machine gun violence is unheard of.

it's fairly difficult to hit anything specific on full fun mode . great for convincing people to not advance on you, though

>Thinks we're retarded
>Wants only the state to have guns
>Leaf

Gotta have those machine guns for home defence

Lift all bans and restrictions on machine guns.

Yeah, it's not a ban... but they are so expensive it's basically a "ban"

The ban should be lifted because it's unconstitutional, as are all federal gun laws. The states alone should get to decide what constitutes the militia, who's in it, and how it is armed.

>if everyone had machine guns, there would be no machine gun crime
t. proud, patriotic america

It's hard to suppress people with a semi auto.
The second amendment isn't for home defense anyways; the founders put it there so we could fight the government

Speak for yourself poorfag.

What is the hughes amendment? Can you make a machine gun? Can you explain the difference between prohibition and ban?

don't need to be too specific in a crowded place, black people are probably more likely to hit something with a machine gun

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in Miami 1980 machine guns were used in 23% of all homicides

In the US, about 97% of firearm homicides are committed with pistols and about 50% are committed by niggers.

>permit

Except it literally is. Post 1986 manufactured full auto firearms are illegal for civilian ownership.
>expensive permit
A tax stamp is all you need for pre '86 and and that's only $200. Still bullshit though.

>If everyone had a gun there would be a lot less violent crime
This is only true for white areas

Using machine guns to commit mass murder isn't cool anymore. Trucks are a much more interesting tool.

>the founders put it there so we could fight the government
Does the gubbermint allow you guys to buy anti-tank missiles or anti-aircraft SAMs

yes you can, you need a type 7 FFL but i still think its bullshit. its called a post sample

Wild guess, you really don't know the price of a machine gun...

I heard somewhere that hitler banned pistols in nazi Germany. Rifles ownership was encouraged though (unless you weren't German)

The previous 1986 guns run a couple thousand dollars because of the limited supply. They aren't banned, I know people who own some.

Less than the price of a car.

>Muh criminals
>Muh niggys using $200 hi points

I don't own a gun valued at less than thousand dollars, and that's all semi-auto rifles. How exactly are niggers going to afford the ammo for full-fun, let alone the gun itself?

no. But the founders would want us to be evenly matched. are you missing the point on purpose?

Oh fuck off. You can buy a semi-auto rifle, get a conversion kit, and covert it to full auto easily. It's just illegal. And there's nothing expensive about it. Newb.

I never said they were. Also reminder a lot of faggots that own full autos don't want the ban lifted because they see their guns as investments and they don't want the value to ever go down.

There literally is a machinegun ban. Only pre 86 machine guns are transferable so the "expensive permit " (not actually a permit) is not the prohibitive cost, it's the market price that makes a 700 dollar machine gun cost 15 thousand dollars.

they only need enough ammo for 1 mag, the price will go down if they get manufactured again and they will want one because they are cool

>should we allow normal people to legally own the tools that criminals illegally own?
no i prefer my one sided imbalanced defense capability its like someone turned up my difficulty slider for life. the bad guys get anything rthey want and all i get is a credit card, a smart phone and the internet- elite level strategy game

A machine gun won't help you commit a crime, or inflict mass casualties. Unless you're trying to rob a machine gun nest with your homies, you're better off saving ammo and making your shots count.

The federal government has no legal right to restrict firearms anyway, and that's the argument that should be made.

I don't think you guys will be evenly matched without tanks and fighter jets. Gubbermint has got a massive hardware advantage

Okay, internet Rambo....

Enjoy jail

the only criminals that use machine guns are those in the 3rd world

Yes. If you make a rap video without a nigger militia armed with fully automatic rifles you will be lame
Tbh I want niggers to have access to machine guns (assuming whites have the same access) because it will acceleratory

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Everyone parrots this but I'm yet to hear it first hand from anyone and I have been gunfagging for 20 years. Even hardcore stamp collectors I know are more excited by the prospect of being about to get new, previously unavailable machine guns than they are concerned about their preban gun value.

If the ban was repealed you would get brand new machine guns with value up to 10k or more thousands, would still have to pay 200 dollars for the stamp, would still get a higher prison sentence for using them in a crime and would still have to wait more than 3 months for them to be delivered to you.
Fuck gun bans.

No. The cops can't hit shit. Spraying bullets all over the damn place. Last thing I need is them upping their pistols to 3 round burst or worse.
Plus the majority of the population is just smart enough to operate a semi auto. Full auto climbs. People would be spraying bullets all over the damn place.
Plus full auto is about as useful as closing your eyes and aiming most of the time. Soldiers don't spray and pray. So it's kind of a somewhat useless.
And in a home defense situation? Yea. I want to live next door to the guy with a full auto rifle who has a home invasion. Lucky me.

Oh, it's the "the military would win a war against civilians because of tanks and planes" argument. Please lurk more

>A machine gun won't help you commit a crime, or inflict mass casualties.
I disagree, I think that a gangbanger will be more likely to hit something with a mac 10. I also think that it would be easier to inflict mass casualties in a crowded place

>ban guns
>only criminals and government are armed
>law abiding citizens can't defend themselves and cops take too long to respond

Machine guns aren't nigger proof. They actually take some training and practice in order to use effectively. I deployed twice as a SAW and 240 gunner and there's actually non-trivial amount of machine gun theory that governs effective deployment and use. In the USMC it's different enough to have its own job title. Probably the only decision I side with the USMC over the Army.

Another thing that gets glossed over is that automatic weapons typically get harder and harder to use the smaller they are/smaller caliber they shoot. Tons of guys fail to qualify on the SAW in the Army but I've never seen anyone fail to qualify with the M2 for example. There's no section of the M14 qual that tests 3 round burst and it's literally never used outside of some fun range time because slower aimed shots are seen as the most effective.

You can tell a disciplined unit from a unit full of niggers based on how things happen when they take contact. If an enemy isn't obvious and is just taking pop shots a unit full of niggers will just start shooting randomly in any direction where as a disciplined unit will just start scanning and will endure several mag dumps from the enemy before resorting to posturing fire. This is because firing randomly is so ineffective at actually eliminating threats that it's actually better to just endure being shot at hoping the enemy eventually exposes themselves.

Then gangbangers would get machineguned.
Machineguns are readily available on the black market everywhere in the world if you know where to find them.

Oh right, when the tanks come rolling in, will just shoot them all! YEEHAAAA!!!

Then well armed and pro-constitution guerrilla experts should be able to own RPGs and Landmines.
Up with Paramilitary groups!

That never stopped an armed resistance from the people in the last century. Hell even the french started resisting the Germans in this way once occupied. Tanks and all.
Eat shit.

Only law abiding people are affected by that.

Trucks and planes are just as old news as guns. I think the next big one will be done using a fast boat to run over swimmers or people on the beach.

>cause more innocent people getting shot?
Well there are too many people on the planet anyway. This would be a lottery, and would equalize population density - it'd be smarter to stay away from both depressed rural areas, and inner cities.

Tell more about SAW training and usage, user. Its pretty interesting.

Of course that full auto mods will be widely available once the Race War starts in USA but it would help a bit if full auto weapon was available for purchase with the same ease as semi auto.

Mind you, from my experience as conscript, full auto is not big deal for "regular" rifleman duty, only machine gun, even the 5.56 light weapons we had were difficult to control in full auto.

Full autos would probably really only be useful for militias. You could have one guy with a full auto and that could be useful for suppression or during a retreat etc, but the rest would use semi auto. But I'm pretty sure we aren't allowed to have real militias anyways. You might get waco'd

> government has no legal right to restrict firearms

what about rocket launchers?

I'd say lift it, as it would just possibly lead to inner city niggers being able to mow down more inner city niggers.

>implying military personnel would kill civilians like that
>implying guerrila warfare isn't a thing
>etc
Do you think the government just rolls in with tanks and suddenly the population become docile and subservient?
If you would have lurked the appropriate amount of time you would have seen the detailed screen cap about exactly why you're stupid. I'm on phone so I can't show you it

Yeah, you might want to look into Polish resistance movements. See how well that worked out for them

yeah because jamal buys $40000 machine gun on the black market

What about school shootings?

Dumb American here.

Nope, you shoot the people bringing fuel. You shoot the people setting up bases. You shoot the maintenance personnel. In short, destroy the support structure and those big fancy tanks and planes become useless lumps of metal.

Lifting the machines gun ban would lower the death count in mass shootings. Hear me out - If they use a machine gun then they run out of ammo faster.

Prove me wrong. Pro tip: You can't.

>muh school shootings
There would probably be much less casualties if it was done by a full auto sprayer. He would hit anything

And you could just give guns to all the teachers

I've seen that screencap, it was shit. I don't know why the US government would turn against its citizens but you guys are the ones with revolutionist fantasies so you tell me

Let 16 to upwards boys carry guns in the school if they are mentally sound, not idiots and know basic gun safety and handling a pistol.
Also proffessors and security guards.
Mass shooters if caught alive should be lynched on the KKK fashion.

You can buy machine guns
www.subguns.com

Start at about 6 grand for a shitty mac 10

He would not hit anything*

Of course it should. Automatic weapons are just a meme anyway, there's no way they are more lethal than their legal SA-only variants.

>Pakistan
Not sure if goatfucker with internet access and a full auto AK or US soldier.

What is trigger discipline?

>School shootings

What about them? You honestly think a maniac is gonna just waltz into a school with a belt-fed machine gun and mow down hundreds with his cowadoody skills? No, he's going to continue to use pistols. Concealable, powerful, and you can carry plenty of ammunition.

that's really insteresting, go on man

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Whatever. The point is that the second amendment is for citizens to be able to attack the government

There is no machine gun ban. You can get a license for a machine gun.

>$200*

in 86 Regan was fooled by RINOS to sign off on a bill with an amendment that banned the manufacture of new machine guns post 86. To this day, Machine guns are still only required to have a $200 transfer fee through the ATF and get some minimal additional markings. The ATF also knows at all times where every machine gun in the US is. The problem is that every year new gun owners are born, and they want machine guns like their gramps has. However the demand is much higher than supply, and the number of serialized machine guns stays the same/goes down every year. You are not prohibited from owning a machine gun, but it is a privilege afforded only to the rich or fortunate.

>not a ban
>having to pay the price of a house for it is not a de-facto ban
Learn more of your country amerifat.

>What is trigger discipline?
It's when a leftist sees a white baby but takes a deep breath before calling it a nazi.

> every two bullets is a dead victim
> runs out, ie uses all his ammo, and faster
> lower death count
what did he mean by this?

Yeah, it's not like they'd use their hardware to defend those people

Yeah, in a real situation, victory would require parts of the military defecting. That would be much more valuable than civvie guns

Yeah, I get that

All our TMs are public.
Infantry Platoon and Rifle Squad - FM 3-21.08
Crew Served Machine Guns - FM 3-22.68
Combined Arms Operations in Urban Terrain - FM 3-06.11

They're pretty generalized but it's a good start.

I don't know - start shooting, the crowd scatters. Which gun lets you kill more before they've dispersed too much?

>Nigger/Robot/Beta gets a full auto glock
>Goes into a crowded school
>Starts shooting
>2 seconds later he is out of ammunition and only killed one person
>He is tackled before he can put another magazine
Full auto would such for mass shooting.

Totally, Leaf.
North Korea couldn't hurt us if we declared the US A nuke-free zone!!

finally someone gets it

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......aka middle click? do hicks use the internet in 2002 or something?

>Should the 1986 machine gun ban be lifted?
yes

>No you retard all guns should be banned.
never will happen in USA

Makes sense given who you keep voting in as PM

>covert it to full auto easily
Sure. Because needing a special bolt and serious modifications to the receiver can be done easily without the proper machinery.

Only true if you train your ass off and memorize the effective ranges for various modes of fire. If you don't know a lot of modern machine guns have a selector switch that can change it to one shot per trigger pull or several or full auto.

The main reasons that machineguns are not preferred in street crime is they are heavy, hard to control without a lot of training and not easily concealed (this takes away the element of surprise which you desperately want to have if you are going to slay someone; real life threats shoot back and can hit their targets too.)

I have heard that the small revolver in .38 special is the most frequently used gun for slaying humans. It is easy to control, plenty of power for an unarmored human and easy to conceal.

The government fears white men who like white communities. Exclusive white communities screw up the CHEAP LABOR scheme that is mass immigration. That's probably the main reason for banning most weapons. The Goyim are getting restless.

the ban isn't a ban, it's a funding mishap. it doesn't need to be 'lifted', we need honest judges to take the legislature+executive+their corrupt peers/predecessors to task over it.

The gun itself is expensive. The tax stamp is cheap. The extensive background check and red tape to keep it is annoying.

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No nigger is going to read this document and figure out how to actually kill people. A lot of it is self explanatory and could be inferred using logic and common sense. Which is exactly why we don't need to worry.

un-ban all guns and lets kill all the fucking liberals that fucking disagree (it's not fascism if it is for a good cause, right?)

Is there such a thing as a full-auto glock? Most /machine guns/ are supported with more ammo - belts, cartridges you can strap together... Anyway, this is pretty ugly thinking.