How much of Sup Forums is dual/triple/multiple citizens, and does Sup Forums think multiple citizenship should be allowed?
Should it be tolerated so long as the person is not running for an elected office or looking to work in a sensitive government job?
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Yes. No. No.
The only reason it should be allowed is to help spot fair weather citizens that already have a plan to cut and run as soon as the going gets tough.
I don't think most dual citizens have dual citizenship with the intent to bail, just merely have the most options for residing and working in places to do the best by their families.
Especially as a US dual citizen, you owe income tax on any income earned abroad, even if you aren't presently residing in the US.
Dual citizen myself. Its really just for travelling. Australian passport gets me almost anywhere. Turkish citizenship I keep just to visit my family over there and do diving or boat work occasionally if I'm staying there a while.
It should be banned completely.
Causes far more problems than it solves.
Croatia-Mexico-Australia here
fuck yes it should be allowed, obviously it's a bit tricky in the situation where the person's work is as a formal representative of a government, but otherwise, why not?
Turks especially should not be given dual citizenship.
>Kekistani flag
>Turkish
This is why kekistani fucks will be purged
I have Swedish citizenship, and I'm hoping I will figure out a possible way for me to acquire one in another country, likely somewhere in Central or South America. I would probably get rid of my Swedish one at that point though since it's mostly a liability.
Can agree. Mist turks I've met are scum.
Luckily I was born in Australia and my parents didn't want me to be around other turks so I was raised away from the city and surrounded by real Aussies.
When I came to Sydney first time I couldn't believe how fucked the turks and lebos are here.
Still hate seeing a when Muslims wear that traditional shit or have beards without moustaches. Just move carriages on train when I see it
>but otherwise, why not?
Because dual citizens are used by hostile governments like Morocco and Turkey to extend political influence into the societies they pray on.
We have to let those dual-citizen Turks and Moroccans live among us but they will backstab us the moment their President or King gives the order.
They cannot be trusted because their leader demands loyalty from them and keep their families back home hostage.
Im Turkish and I ain't never gonna take orders from what some Muslim tells me.
Erdogan is a cunt.
I don't mind Turks per say.
If they want to integrate that's fine, they can choose to become full Dutch citizens and burn their Turkish passport.
But dual citizen Turks can never integrate.
They are always more Turk than Dutch and ultimately want to destroy not just us but also any moderate Turks who dare to reject Jihad.
Slovak citizen here. I have lived in the US since 2000.
I could easily get a US citizenship but the probem is that Slovakia does not honor dual citizenship and I do not want to lose my based Slav passport. It feels good to always have a place to go if things ever go awry for me here, or even if I just decide that I want to move back someday for healthcare or family or to find a cute non-fat waifu.
Although there are talks of changing the law and I will definitely get dual citizenship if they do end up allowing it.
Multi-citizenship and passports are a 19th century meme. As human I'm allowed to live anywhere I want and travel wherever, however, and whenever I want. Anyone who attempts to complicate or prevent this for anyone is committing a crime.
only for europeans, and even then not for any government/sensitive job, you cant trust dual citizents fully
I'm guessing there aren't many Turks in Australia?
If a Turk says "Erdogan is a cunt" here he will get in a whole heap of trouble with the Turkish community.
All thanks to dual citizenship because it gives Erdogan enough influence over some Dutch Turks to intimidate the rest of them.
hmmm, ok even if that were true (which it isn't, those citizens that are disloyal aren't loyal to their political figures back home, but to their religious figure in their immigrant country) it still has nothing to do with dual citizenship. if these people you speak of renounced their original citizenship, they'd no longer be dual citizens, and yet they'd still have the same views and allegiances. Maybe you're trying to say a country shouldn't allow people born outside of its borders to ever become citizens? or maybe make it more difficult according to some criteria? either way, it has nothing to do with dual citizenship.
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Only whites (and Slavs if Slavs are not white) should be allowed to have dual citizenship, of course.
dual citizen here. if Cymru ever needs me I shall return. or if this country gets any fucking worse.
I thought Slovakia permitted dual citizenship if you got the second citizenship through marriage though?
I am a citizen of the world.
Borders should be destroyed.
uhh, what if you just got your US citizenship, and didn't tell the Slovak government about it? Even though I think Croatia, Mexico and Australia allow multiple citizenships now, this wasn't the case when I got my citizenships, and I never had any issues.
I'm Polish/German dual citizen. But I will be giving my German citizenship back next year.
I have US/UK
It's not really that useful for me and I don't really care if people have it or not, so long as certain combinations don't have an intrinsic edge that can be (((exploited)))
Although if you join the army or go for office then it should definitely be banned
what's the biggest thing/dick you've ever had in your ass?
Mexican/Swiss. Don't care really wether dual citizenship is allowed, if I had to choose I'd obviously keep only the swiss passport. I only ever got my mexican passport when I went to live in Mexico for a few years.
The US government has kept me prisoner in the US, revoking my passport for no reason, multiple times.
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I am not at fault for what's to come, I've been forced.
Preach, Mtombu.
>the comment
>the flag
Bait / 10
I thought Mexican citizenship was very hard to get? 10 plus years or so?
I have US/CAN and it's useful because you can work in Canada at any company without restriction, which is helpful as a software consultant.
I know several people with Irish/UK citizenship and it's handy to enter Canada with because it's still considered "Commonwealth" from a work perspective (don't need a work permit or other authorization to work in Canada with an Irish or UK passport).
>per say
Nothing personnel, but it's spelled "per se" you pre-madonna.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm having some chili and seabass for dinner.
My mother is mexican.
I don't think they are disloyal becasue they WANT to be (not >99% of them at least)
They are so because they HAVE to be.
Else they risk severe punishment if they ever visit their families in Turkey or Morocco.
For example I am free to call Erdogan a goat fucker.
I'm a Dutch citizen saying this in the Netherlands so there is nothing Erdogan can do about it and if they arrest me in Turkey there would be a diplomatic crisis.
But people with dual Dutch/Turkish citizenship cannot say the same.
The Turkish government considers it a severe crime for any of its citizens to say such things no matter where they live at the time.
If found out they can get arrested if they visit Turkey.
And not only that, the Turkish government actively approached dual-citizens to spy on other dual-citizens and if they refuse they also get into trouble.
dual portuguse american
feels good
two should be fine.
The second comes in handy if the person is in a specialized business and doesn't have time for requesting visa's all the time.
Turk-german dual citizen here.
AMAA.
That explains it... By the way, I know a lot of Mexicans with ties to Switzerland, never could understand the connection....
>minister of refugees
kek
any immigrant that refuses to integrate should be deported. When they come into a new country they should be spread out over the country rather than allowed to group up together.
There's a few fair in the major cities which I why my parents avoided raising us there. Those fucken turks in Germany and the like should be deported. Its always a problem when a minority becomes large enough and clumped enough tat it it doesn't require assimilation to succeed or socialize.
Turks in turkey are fine but outside I've noticed they become exaggerated versions of the worst aspects once overseas.
Also brown turks and white(ish) turks are leagues apart.
>And not only that, the Turkish government actively approached dual-citizens to spy on other dual-citizens and if they refuse they also get into trouble.
source? Genuinely interested.
No, for people from Iberia or Latin America it takes 2 years, otherwise it takes 5.
I carry dual US/Canadian citizenship.
What's the difference between one citizenship or three?
For example, I could get a third citizenship (Italian) by descent, which would give me the right to enter/work in the EU.
Trudeau and the libtards renamed "Citizenship and Immigration Canada" to "Immigration, Refugees, and Citizenship Canada" in a virtue signaling move when they entered office. It's moronic.
2/dual at most
dual-citizen here. If extreme degeneracy continues I'm going to the fatherland
dual citizenship should be completely banned. Only cosmopolitan yuppies with no loyalty to anyone have more than one passport. And in the 21st century, citizenship doesn't really mean anything. Thanks, Wong Kim Ark
Multiple citizenship are a hassle unless you are doing Diplomatic or International finance work. Unless granted by birthright, there is no real reason why you need them.
Reasons to get multi-Pass:
- Some countries do not have Legal protection in your country of entry
- Some countries do not allow other countries to own property or transaction in the country of entry
- Some governments have poor relations, which make conducting business as a flag agent or commercial representative difficult, particularly in Klepto or Communist regiemes
- In some countries you are required to turn in your passport before conducting business or entering a sensitive installation. In case you need to Exfil, you should have a second safe place so that you do not become a political pawn or prisoner.
- Sometimes you need to have residence or citizenship to hold office or claim status on foreign contracts. In governments where the regieme may collapse or you / your company may become subject to political hostage, its important to have a second citizenship to protect your interests, in case you become a political prisoner or are stripped of your national identity (see, Ukraine & Shakishvilli and the various Russian Oligarchs).
Reasons not to be dual or more:
- You get put on every INTPOL watch list
- You pay a fortune for filing taxes in every country
- Unless you are tripping balls on free cash flow, it makes little sense
- Unless you have foreign property in that country, there is little interest for the foreign gov to let you keep your citizenship
- Multi-pass will ban you from certain jobs and careers unless you get a full background check and loyalty declaration every 3 years
- Bank account opening and loan applications will be twice as long, most countries will ban you on site for money laundering concerns unless you are a banker/self reporting professional (lawyer, doctor etc)
TLDR: Dont get one, you will get one if you need one.
Do you consider yourself Turkish or German?
Both.
In the United States the constitution has a clause that would allow the President to also be king of another Country.
So Yes.
But in my opinion Loyalty to the United States *must* be proven in order to gain dual citizenship.
No idea. What kind of connections do you mean? My father went as expat to Mexico in the late 70's where he met my mother, they then left in the early 80's (I was born in '89). He works for a large multinational logistics company that's based in switzerland. I know of a few swiss expats in Mexico related to various logistics companies (lots of shipping business based in Switzerland), but I wouldn't say there's "many" of them, I just got to know about them because of my dad's background.
>any immigrant that refuses to integrate should be deported.
As long as they have dual citizenship I don't see how they can ever integrate.
Even those that really want to (and I do know some) there is always the risk of getting called out as a "traitor" for not defending Turkey.
And we're talking 2nd and 3rd generation who were born in the Netherlands but have to look over their shoulder constantly.
Maybe sending them all to Turkey is best, but revoking dual citizenship is a more moderate solution: let the choose and those that choose Turkey can go back.
Germany's dual nationality law is weird. If one parent had German citizenship and the other had American, you can keep it. If you had a german parent and got it at birth (Jus soli, birth on US soil), you can keep both. But be born to an american parent on German soil (jus soli with limitations) and you have to "pick and choose" which to keep by age 21.
I have dual US/Canadian citizenship but would be fine if a constitutional amendment required me to renounce my Canadian citizenship if I wanted to keep my US citizenship because it would mean all the kikes with dual US Israeli citizenship in our government would have to do the same.
>being loyal to a government that is designed to be and stay corrupt, and not look after it's peoples interest
Being a patriot and loving your compatriots is one thing, but countries don't, haven't and shouldn't exist in that context. as long as a country is not run by the people and in its interests (and by its desires), it shouldn't be awarded the emotional connection (loyalty) which one may afford the people/culture which it contains.
My 2 cents anyway
Ex dual citizen here (Polack and American). I got mine through birth and honestly, no, one citizenship only. It should be that if you get another then the old one is automaticly revoked.
You generally don't have to pay taxes in countries in which you hold foreign citizenship unless you happen to have tax liabilities (usually income) in those countries. The exception being the US and Eritrea expect you to pay income tax on all income acquired, domestically or abroad.
Freedom of mobilitt. Also i don't particularily want to live in the Yukon.
That sucks. But turkish and german culture is more compatible than american and turkish culture anyway.
It was all over the news around the time of the Turkish referendum.
Things are pretty grim in the Turkish communities here:
Schools had to close down or all teachers fired.
Children get harassed if their parents aren't outspokenly pro Erdogan.
Etc.
And it's all directed by Ankara.
Maybe I overstated this. But I know a swiss guy who's been living in Mexico (works as a university professor) for over 30 years, massive alcoholic by the way. I also know a family where the guy worked as a diplomat in Switzerland (now got a job as some president of I can't remember what), and I know a third family where the Mexican chick was born in Switzerland, but now lives in Mexico again. when I saw you here I thought, what are the odds? by the way, I don't know too many Mexicans as I've never lived in Mexico, and haven't stayed longer than a month and a half in over 20 years.
Multiple citizenship should be outlawed by any self respecting nation. I would be willing to compromise by allowing diaspora to keep the citizenship of the country they were born in if they want to return and they have citizenship in a country that doesn't let them give it up.
Then kill yourself. .
Which country raised you? Which country gave you everything? Which country is better?
allow me to elaborate on citizenship. Citizenship should come with the connotation of loyalty, it shouldn't just be a formality that facilitates international travel. But that's what it's become. Only patriots should be afforded citizenship. I could probably buy a Croatian passport if I had enough money and knew the right people but does that really make me Croatian?
I'm dual US/Canadian, and I think dual citizens or those eligible should be banned from government. Would (((they))) just sue and say it violates the Constitution? What is the counterargument?
this really needs to be addressed. There are at least a dozen Israeli dual citizens in congress and they will squeal if that ever becomes widely known
>How much of Sup Forums is dual/triple/multiple citizens, and does Sup Forums think multiple citizenship should be allowed?
what's the point.
Should be illegal, dual citizenship no allegiance.
AmCanfag here. Acquired Canadian citizenship from my father who was a naturalized citizen thanks to Bill C-37, aka Citizenship Act 2009. US citizen on basis of "Jus soli" (born in NYC).
Also have a dormant claim to Philippine citizenship on basis of "Jus sanguinis" since my parents were from the Philippines.
Commonwealth citizenship status (via Canada) could come in handy if & when SHTF in the States. Just hop on a car and drive north to the border, but Singapore sounds appealing too...
Who cares f your a traitor for not defending turkey? If you loved Turkey so much you wouldn't have left.
The best way to integrate would be to slow immigration and allow the government to vet properly and choose locations for immigrants where they will reside for a number of years. Preferably completely and away from any other folks of their own background.
Learning the language and culture is a must too. Also no single men unless over 50 and with enough financial means to support themselves or they have an invaluable skill.
French from my father, Uruguayan from my mother.
I lived a couple of years in Uruguay and i go there every two years. Besides the legal pot, there is nothing much to do there. I don't feel Uruguayan at all, I wouldn't mind losing my nationality.
To me, there should be no limit to get a certain number of nationalities as long as you are somehow assimilated to the culture of the country.
I use my French passport for work and travel in Europe and French Polynesia
>Should be illegal, dual citizenship no allegiance.
that seems to be the consensus in this thread. But since globalization is in full swing that probably won't happen
I have US and Australian citizenship. My parents are Australian, I was born in the US, and lived in Australia for 8 years.
no, of course not. But citizenship isn't a proof of culture, it has never been. If I had to pick which culture I belong to I'd say I'm probably Croatian. and yet I don't feel entirely Croatian. Then you have the issue of states which aren't nations. Best example might be Austria - Hungary. If I were born a hundred years ago, that's the citizenship I'd have, and yet I'd still be Croatian. Does that mean that in that scenario I shouldn't be given any citizenship? Obviously not. I think states shouldn't be connected to culture and people (or rather I wish they were, but they never are) and since citizenship is derived from the state, it shouldn't be connected to who you are either.
I guess if you've never been to Mexico you're more likely to meet people related to Mexico that are somehow related to other countries. Most Mexicans are pretty poor, so they don't move around much except to burgerland. And the upper classes mingle with the expats somewhat (many send their kids to foreign schools for instance) and are also more likely to move about in yurop.
You won't meet an "average" mexican in Europe except cleaning toilets and stuff like that.
Bill Kristol is a dual-citizen
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Boohoo. Then don't come to a country. Stay in whatever shit hole you came from. Its common in Australia to send immigrants to the bush where they complete a few years of work placement before allowing then to reside wherever they like and it should be universal. Best way to learn a new culture to be immersed.
Eb5 visa lets you buy a green card, you can apply for naturalization shortly after
Canada has similar programs
American-Israeli here, I absolutely support dual citizenship because it lets me conduct political business here in the States then seamlessly jet over to the Holy Land to meet with my superiors without the normal hassle of international travel
>I think states shouldn't be connected to culture and people (or rather I wish they were, but they never are)
we can dream can't we?
no, no I've been to Mexico many times (15 plus if I had to guess), I've just never "lived" there, I only visit once a year or once every two years for a month. But yeah, I see your point, the people I meet there are upper middle class (or rich in some cases) so they'd be more likely to have outside connections. I'm just surprised that a lot of them have connections to Switzerland, and not, for example, spain, or the US
and you wonder why you're known as the international clique
I'd tolerate dual citizenship, but I'd ban citizens living in foreign countries from voting in national elections (unless they provide proof of how much money they made in said foreign country and proceeded to pay the appropriate taxes) - no responsibilities, no rights
Curious if there are any other ex dual citizens here. To renounce my Polish cost me well over a grand and took about a year.
What you guys have to go through?
Yes, that is correct. Unless they have a reason to be conducting foreign business, the tax leakage and risks of being subject to foreign property or income review are not worth it. There are plenty of stories where non-Politically Exposed Person's are pulled in on foreign tax claims in G50 countries, particularly when they come into windfall capital gains and the country believes they can make a claim. Legally or not, its a risk which most user should be mindful of, alongside tax leakage as this was a general question Q&A
>so much this
fucking croatian-americans
Dual citizenship=backstabbing people with zero loyalty and that won't mind fucking your country up since they can easily jump ship. Should be banned
Renouncing us citizenship is so expensive now (more than 3,000) that if you plea financial hardship Germany won't force you to renounce it by your twenty third birthday and you can be a dual US/German citizen.
>In the United States the constitution has a clause that would allow the President to also be king of another Country
The Constitution prohibits any elected official from accepting a title of nobility unless Congress approves it.
I wonder what happens if you go to another country and then rip up your passport or throw it away. How will they make you leave their country?
Huh, intredasting. Care to throw some names at me see if I know them?
Meh they can trace that stuff since stuff is computers. When you cross a border legally, a record is made in the computer.
Dual Russian/American citizen reporting
I was adopted at a young age and naturalized in the States.
Feels good having escaped that shithole
They would work to identify you and once they did, they would probably contact the government that you are a citizen of and send you to their embassy.
I would if I could remember, but since I only know them from the occasional dinner party or wedding, I can't haha
Oh yeah, the "New World" diaspora as I like to call them. Far more obnoxious than Bosnian Croats - at least BiH Croats understand somewhat the circumstances ot affairs here; but these fucks who haven't lived in Croatia since 1945 (or even worse, their kids who never lived in Croatia at all) but proceed to offer their unsolicited opinions and "first world" wisdom to us poor, balkan bound natives.
Fuck them. It's why I truly despised Miksic when he ran for president way back, and why I despised Oreskovic when he was prime minister. Who the fuck do you think you are, flying over from comfy Canada and your cushy 1st world jobs to direct us uncivilized savages. Fuck them right to hell.
triple citizenship master race here.
American-British-Brazillian.
born in monkeyland while parents were there. Have unlimited access to bunda
>if they arrest me in Turkey there would be a diplomatic crisis
you're delusional
yeah, I agree. Though Orešković was a total twat and puppet. He had no influence or power, was just a figurehead. In the end, the same people who were controlling him, still control Croatia...
But he looked lost as fuck! he had the same stupid expression as Jeb Bush! hahaha