Aboriginal North American hate thread

Aboriginal North American hate thread.

Redpill me on the savage. Is it true they dindu nuffins?

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A lot of them were really fucked up but the nice ones did exist too.

scalping and tomahawks were culturally appropriated from the french.

They were a big help in enabling the european settlers to survive in the new world, and the settlers kind of fucked them over in return, whether with ill intent or not.

Doesn't mean they aren't weak though. Like Africans, they never developed any significant civilizations, never invented the wheel, and were just as violent and primitive.

I will give them this though, at least when they protest about something, they don't destroy everything like niggers do. They're fairly civil.

>Black Elks Speaks
>Crazy Horse: Strange Man of the Oglalas
>Sitting Bull: Life and Times of an American Patriot
>Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee

Wiping out of the horse culture of the Great Plains was brutal and sudden; within 13 years, entire culture was rounded up and confined to reservations; hundreds of thousands of bison were slaughtered. They were in the way I guess; but seems like there coulda been a better way to work with them; culture seemed like it had some cool aspects.

I live in a town which is about 40% Native Americans. Most of them are truly terrible people. They're more niggery than most niggers in most ways -- almost all of them are on food stamps and WIC, pumping out babies, obese, and then there's the alcoholics. Why are they all alcoholics? I don't fucking get the appeal. There are a shit load of homeless natives in my town.

The ones who work real jobs and aren't just casino-americans or on welfare are actually pretty legit folks, but good god so many of them are fucking losers to the highest degree.

Before moving here I was blue-pilled and "oh white people were so mean to them" but now I can DEFINITELY see why the whites kicked their asses completely. Maybe the more genocidal stuff was in poor taste, but it should be a surprise to no one that our culture beat theirs.

If by 'dindu nuffins' you mean 'lays about all day drunk on firewater and living off redskin neetbux' then yes

>They're fairly civil
that's because most of them have European ancestry now

I genuinely feel bad about most of them dying from murder or disease and the whole residential school fiasco, but jesus christ it's time they moved on.

It's about time that one our politicians end this "reconciliation" nonsense. They've had a free ride for decades now. If you have 1/6th First Nation blood in you, you literally cannot fail any of your high school classes and the governmetn will give you free everything...free cars, free skidoos, free university tuition, etc. They have every opportunity to be productive members of society yet 90% of them stay on their reserves, drink all day, and cry out oppression.

Some of them were instrumental to the expansion of the United States and fit in fine; many would fuck your shit up. Modern day they mostly keep to themselves and get drunk. Not pleasant to live near though.

I hate them. I live and work on a reservation. The shitty ones are worse than nigger tier intelligence. The smart ones would make a jew blush with how they conduct business. They all either work for their casino or tribe. Never ever do business with a native.

>cannabalistic
>child slavery
>murder
>rape
>genocide of lesser races ie high mexican admixture


northern indians were racist as fuck and every tribe was at war

>inb4 muh white man genocide

actually that was the spanish and portugese conqestadors like hernan cortez or columbus

everyone blames it on whitey though when european whites came to america later on

also 80% of natives died from disease

Indians:
youtube.com/watch?v=22iBK4osDr0

Indians are gutter trash.

They live in their little communist reservations where nobody's allowed to own property. They're given homes they never have to work for by their "tribal/band council" (which is funded by the white mans government, btw) and through a corrupt system of nepotism they're ASSIGNED """jobs""" on the reservation.

Their houses (trailers, usually) go to shit in no time because the people that live in them don't actually own them or have any of the obligations even a renter usually has to keep the place in decent shape. If a window breaks you don't go out and buy a new window to replace it, you go to your tribal council and get put on a wait list to have a new window installed.

Their governments are corrupt beyond belief. They're given huge sums of money by the government to provide essential services for their reservations, but they're under no obligation whatsoever to prove to the government that they're actually spending this earmarked money on what they're supposed to. This leads to situations like in Manitoba where a reservation was given money to pay for fire services from the neighbouring white community. The white community stopped receiving payments, and after sending many letters and requests for payments, after several months cut off service to the reservation. A few months later a house catches fire and the indians claim racism was the reason the firefighters from the neighbouring town didn't show up.

In Northern Ontario they were given money to build a school. They built it on top of what turned out to be a piece of land that generations of indians had been using to dump diesel and waste oils into the ground. They had to shut the school because of the fumes and complained about racism when the government didn't immediately give them more funds to build a new school.

INDIANS. ARE. FUCKING. GUTTER. TRASH.

Anyone who says otherwise is brainwashed by Disney propaganda.

Metis here (mixed race) my mother went through the residential school system in Canada. It was a brutal system where children where forced from there homes and placed into schools supervised by the church. Sexual and physical assault were rampant and it continued till the 1990s. The rational was that the plains Indians were to savage to live in western society so it was assimilation by force or death. It's a tragic part of Canadian history.

However, contrary to the narrative that the evil white man started shooting every native he saw the minute he came off the boat, many alliances, friendships and families were also formed. Many natives were savages, but just as many realized western culture gives them a superior quality of life

those aren't redpilled you commie apologist faggot

OP:
>American Lion
>The Wild Frontier: Atrocities During the American-Indian War from Jamestown Colony to Wounded Knee

Are a start, especially The Wilds Frontier it outlines the natives love of war and genocide against the settlers

he dindu nuffin

>tfw you will never execute your enemy tribesmen in ways that make vikings look like pussies

That's their choice at this point. You can vote against politicians who enable that welfare behavior, but if they don't do the same they are responsible for their condition. Gibs fucks you and your family and the community and everything up from now until it goes away. And like the Palestinians, inner city niggers and featherheads are like five generations deep and masterly fucked. Successive unsuccessful generations are logarithmic in devastation.
It'll take many more generations after the gibs are stripped for them to be better. In other words, fuck them.

Olmecs, Mayans, Zapotecs, Toltecs and Aztecs were North American though.

The Great Plains culture you are referring to was itself a product of interaction with Europeans. If you want to know what they were like before that you have to do some digging to read accounts of first contact, as most of the popular accounts were written after nearly 300 years of European settlement. By that point European imports like iron/steel-working, firearms, and all the political and cultural changes, had drastically altered the way the natives lived. Their societies were doomed the second Whites showed up desu, even without the mass die-offs that occurred due to disease. These were stone age peoples who suddenly found themselves living next to a huge and growing population of people who were basically from thousands of years in the future. It is impossible to overstate how traumatic this was. The reservations were the end of this process, not the beginning. The mass slaughter of bison was started by the natives once they got firearms, they had always killed as many as possible but suddenly it was possible to kill exponentially more. Practically all of the excesses of Whites in dealing with the natives were in imitation of native practices, just like in African colonialization. They were called savages for a reason, and brutality was part of their way communication.

They pretty much dindu nuffin if you lump them all together collectively. A lot of them were warrior societies with brutal rituals though. That doesn't mean the colonists were some kind of special evil though, most of the injuns were killed by disease long before they ever saw a white man. The rest is not really any different than what anybody else has done throughout history to each other.

Oh, and they're given these little "status cards" so they don't have to pay any of our consumption taxes. But that doesn't stop practically every single one of them from being on the dole. It doesn't matter if they're buying a $2000 car or a $0.50 pack of gum. The only thing you can trust about an indian is that they'll always have that fucking tax exempt card on them.

They got this reputation for being "stewards of the land" for some reason I can't fathom. They are constantly poaching wildlife, whether it's shooting Moose for fun and not even trying to retrieve the meat or whether it's shooting owls because they believe they're "evil spirits" even though they claim to be Christians. They'll even run gillnets across entire rivers for days at a time to catch practically every fish migrating through there, decimating fish stocks in certain areas.

There's actually even a legal requirement in this country that indians can't be held to the same standards as white people in criminal sentencing. Indians are routinely given reduced sentences for citing that their "great grandmother was in a residential school" even if she was never abused in any way. Our guilty white liberal courts will then give them half the sentence. This is called the Gladue Principle in Canadian law. Look it up.

>Section 718.2(e), requires courts to use a different approach to sentencing for aboriginal offenders. The court must consider:

>(1) the unique systemic or background factors which may have played a part in bringing the particular aboriginal offender before the Courts (such as systemic disadvantages, discrimination and other factors) and
>(2) the effectiveness of the sentencing by looking at the types of sentencing procedures and sanctions which may be appropriate in the circumstances of the offender because of his or her particular aboriginal heritage or connection.

This stupid fucking country.

>Like Africans, they never developed any significant civilizations

canadian education.

They used to be noble savages in some ways but oh, how the mighty have fallen. Also the European/North American diet doesn't agree with most of them, making them fat and giving them acne

the settlers didn't fuck them over, it was not a one way street of noble savages and bloodthirsty whyt pipo
They helped the settlers the settlers helped them out too. Where do you think they got the horses and guns beads and blankets from?

it went back and forth, the first colony here was eradicated by the natives for no good reason

they were pretty savage, some practiced slavery, murder/enslave the children of your enemies was pretty commonplace.

they were just as fucked up as whites or anyone else, except they were isolated so didnt get any of the tech that came from trade etc, fuck em they lost.

>Prairie niggers fear the Nahuatl warrior

90+% of the sexual abuse in those schools was committed by the students against each other and by other adult natives in the system. It's the same shit that went on in Australia. Native family abuses their kids, kids get taken away, but because naive Whites want to believe it's isolated incidents they stupidly keep the kids with other natives where the abuse is endemic. Then Whites get blamed for the whole thing because no one wants to admit that there is a racial element to the problem.

the two cultures were in direct opposition and held mutually exclusive values. Although self hating faggots will bitch and cry about how immoral it was, those same faggots would have been scalped and set on fire by the fucking savages if they got the chance.

"War gives the right to the conquerors to impose any condition they please upon the vanquished." -Caesar

weak wristed faggots should remember that.

>The Great Plains culture you are referring to was itself a product of interaction with Europeans.
No, it wasn't; horses provided by Spaniards via Mexico did become a hallmark of Plains life, but until around 1863, American efforts to settle the west were sporadic.

>Their societies were doomed the second Whites showed up desu
True, but it didn't need to be this way.

>The mass slaughter of bison was started by the natives once they got firearms, they had always killed as many as possible but suddenly it was possible to kill exponentially more.
Not true; a little reading will sort this out for you.

>Practically all of the excesses of Whites in dealing with the natives were in imitation of native practices, just like in African colonialization.
I don't even know what you are trying to say here; sounds like you are trying to justify brutality, but I believe there could have been a different outcome.

Chellovek -- volk, chellovekam.

My direct ancestor was the very first person to duel Andrew Jackson.

They dueled over my direct ancestor putting bacon in Jackson's law book before they were going to debate in court. Jackson immediately demanded a duel.

Jackson fired first, and hit Waightstill Avery(direct ancestor) in the ear. My ancestor then decided to fire into the air and spare Jackson's life as he had a clear shot.

My direct ancestor spared Andrew Jackson's life, they became best friends and both families named their offspring in honor of the other for muliple generations including my own generation.

Andrew Jackson went on to be the cause of death for countless savages.

My family history is absolutely awesome as fuck.

>most of the popular accounts were written after nearly 300 years of European settlement
Brief Account of the Conquest of New Spain, Francisco de Aguilar, 1560s
Lewis and Clark Journals, 1804-1806
Carl Wimar Papers, 1857-1859
Black Elks Speaks, 1930
Buffalo Bird Woman's Garden, 1943

It breaks my heart knowing what some of those kids went through.

The point of this is, Andrew Jackson's life was in my great great great grandfathers hands and if he hadn't spared his life the trail of tears never would have happened.

You're welcome.

By that same logic the rape of Berlin was totally justified and righteous. Not that I disagree with you, just saiyan

OP is a man without dignity or respect.

>secondary sources
OP asked if there was any value in Indian culture; books I posted were first-hand accounts by Indians. Read and decide for yourself. American Lion isn't even about Indians. I don't need someone telling me what is "redpilled" and what isn't. Dickwad.

youtube.com/watch?v=H1y_0NfhF9c

Righteous? Nobody is talking about righteousness but you. The point is exactly that many cultures are incompatible, and when two incompatible cultures come into contact, one will consume the other. Hitler would agree.

Argies still don't have one.

Thanks for pointing this out.

Nigger, you have no idea what you are talking about. You didn't even contest anything I said, you just said "no, muh feels".

>No, it wasn't; horses provided by Spaniards via Mexico did become a hallmark of Plains life, but until around 1863, American efforts to settle the west were sporadic.
Not only does this not contest my point at all, it supports it. By the late 19th century very little remained of native life that had not been altered by European contact.
>True, but it didn't need to be this way.
Obviously it did.
>Not true; a little reading will sort this out for you.
Like what? Your intro to sociology textbook?
>I don't even know what you are trying to say here; sounds like you are trying to justify brutality, but I believe there could have been a different outcome.
I don't give a shit about your morality, I'm telling you what happened.

they really shouldn't be eating and drinking what normal humans eat and drink, that's for sure. but i'm skeptical that they were naturally fit pre-contact. the people who drew those early drawings probably tried to make everyone look more interesting and attractive.

residential schools...who cares for real those kids were savages

Again you are inadvertently proving my point with your shitty cut and paste. Are you drunk?

>Like what? Your intro to sociology textbook?
People are now exposed to more information than ever before, provided both by technology and by increasing access to every level of education. These societal gains, however, have also helped fuel a surge in narcissistic and misguided intellectual egalitarianism that has crippled informed debates on any number of issues. Today, everyone knows everything: with only a quick trip through WebMD or Wikipedia, average citizens believe themselves to be on an equal intellectual footing with doctors and diplomats. All voices, even the most ridiculous, demand to be taken with equal seriousness, and any claim to the contrary is dismissed as undemocratic elitism.

There was one year in Kentucky that they massacred more whites than those importing. Came from a Danie Boone biography sponsored by the 1922 supremely woke Boy Scouts of America.

my brother is dating one. i can't stand it. she's a druggie pig and he's a wigger druggie. i swear to god i will sabotage this relationship and kick his ass until he dates a white girl.

It is awful stuff to be sure, the accounts of what these people did to their children are blood-curdling. Worse, it still goes on only under the radar. Intervention into native families is so politically unpalatable now that a blind eye is often turned to what goes on in more remote areas. Same thing in Aus.

>books written during the 1600s and early 1800s proves my point

Are you sure? Jackson killed Charles Dickinson. Avery and Jackson decided to never go to guns. Read a book

Most natives didn't directly live in Kentucky. They mostly just hunted there.

Native tribes had a "war season" and would meet in Kentucky, because it was and still is such a mystical land to kill each other in order to have a successful hunting season.

Kentucky, was known to the Iroquis tribe as "ken-tah-ten" which means land of tomorrow.

Kentucky has such a fucked up border line because it was an absolute nightmare trying to take it from the native savages that had waged war in that land for centuries already.

Kentucky is such an incredible place.

If you like Daniel Boone, do some reading on Simon Kenton.

Nope. Jackson shot Avery and grazed him in the ear. Avery then fired into the air. I have researched this thoroughly. This was Jackson's first duel, he was still a very young man. Avery trolled him hard as fuck with the bacon in the law book prank.

Sadly, you are correct. It's one thing for people to have some incorrect data floating around in their heads, but the self assurance with which they quote things they read for the first time five minutes ago after a google search is baffling.
Go back and read the line you quoted carefuly, bucko. Then try again to understand what you just did.

Look at the very early photographs dude even their faces were leaner and more handsome. And the few good looking ones I've met basically eat a paleo type diet because they know milk and bread fuck them up

>Fails to mention Aztec and Inca advancements
>Says that they are better than niggers

Canaditard they're as good as Mongolians and south asians.

>By the late 19th century very little remained of native life that had not been altered by European contact.
This is correct; in fact, it had been almost wiped out entirely. Except for the accounts which I've posted above, almost nothing was know about traditional Plains life. My point is that it happened suddenly; in less than 20 years, the majority of Plains Indian tribes were riding horses, hunting bison and roaming their territory to being virtually wiped out. Since they did not have the internet, they had no previous knowledge of Eastern Woodland, Mississippian, South Floridian or even Southwest tribes and their contact with European culture.

>like intro to your soc text
This is funny; stupid, but funny. Mainly because I've posted about 10 titles here, most of which are direct first-person accounts.

>morality
Still don't know what you are trying to say, but stay mad.

>Argentina
>significant civilization
Pick one.

You are fucking stupid. The Native Americans taught whites how to live here when they were forced East by the same Jews that banished them from England. Today, almost any family that wasn't sent here by Jews has made friendships or families with Natives. Learn your own history, mongrel.

I just pity them, they were too innocent for this world.

>Never developed any significant civilizations
Aztecs
Inca
Maya
Anasazi
Toltecs
>Ffs user

>Blankets

Nice one

Yet they still cannot distinguish the difference between Plains Indian culture and that of other American Indian cultures. Really parches one's maize doesn't it?

Try central. Except for Olmec and Zapotecs

Simon Kenton I should look him up. I know he was important to the history of Kentucky although right now the only thing that I can say about him off the top of my head is that the county that is that Cincinnati has its Airport in the county named for him.

Thank God we killed them all. They are worse than niggers, just look at Mexico who only has half their genes.

It's painfully obvious that you have no understanding of the topic other than basic public education memes and access to google. You can't even understand basic chronology ffs.

Simon Kenton was like 6ft 4 and and did virtually the same thing as Daniel Boone. The natives tried to kill Kenton like 50 times and always failed. He was a super white man. The kind of white man the Aztecs considered to be Gods.

*went from riding horses etc

>innocent

You're a fucking retard.

What's this we you snowingnigger.

They learned scalping from the Dutch

>child slavery
I know absolutely nothing on this topic but can i get a sauce on that?

They were well on their way to Australian Aboriginal tier of wiping out big game and burning down forests.
The whole "one with nature" mumbo jumbo is just that. They were just more mindful of nature than city rats that hopped on a boat just to get out of there ever thought to be.

>*went from riding horses etc
Horses aren't native to the Americas, dipshit. They weren't riding shit until the Spanish came over.

>after 300 years of settlement
>1600s
Americans were not settling the Great Plains in earnest until the mid-1800s; Lewis and Clark published their journals, which contained extensive notes on more than 47 tribes, in the early 1800s. Their journals are considered authoritative, as are the other sources I've listed, and are cited by most secondary publications.

No he fucking did not
Can you read? Here it is again

>Aboriginal North American hate thread.

>redpill me on the savage. Is it true they dindu nuffins?

Its because they are from Asia, and this dont have the enzymes (genetics) to process alcohol quite as well, so they get hit harder and this develop addiction more easily. Same as if a white person simply drank more, alcoholism chance rises.

We are American Indians here not Mesoamerican natives,

Our red niggers wpuld anally destrpy latin american jungle niggers

As far as I've researched the plains indians became much more warlike after horses were introduced, at least in the southwest there had been a semi-stable dynamic between the settled cliff dwellers and the nomads.

The cliff dwellers almost made it to a semi-mideval level till the first series of plagues swept through in the course of a droubt period. They lost a good portion of ariable land and a lot of their settlements desertified, the subsequent plague was likely the same pre-euro tuberculosis plague that wiped the Mississippi mound cultures, but the cliff dwellers managed to hang on.

Then horses showed up. Their biggest rivals, the nomads suddenly got a huge advantage handed to them and proceeded to demolish much of the rest of their civilization into a remnant before they had more than a few isolated contacts with catholic missions.

You're late to the party faggot, and you obviously didn't read my post in context; I address that here But it is a fact that they were riding horses during the 1860s and twenty years later they were living in log cabins and starving waiting for their government provisions.

>much more warlike after horses were introduced
Don't know much about the southwest; in the upper plains there really aren't any written accounts that go back before horses were introduced, so it's difficult to make the comparison.

>quoting from his google search while still making no effort to understand the point
>hasn't actually read any of the texts he is referring to so he doesn't know they include references to things already known about the broad category of people they describe, some of which are indeed based on descriptions of natives given by neighboring natives
You need to go to church, user.

>be native american
>white man shows up
>trade some shit, all is good
>NA: "earth belong to ALL people"
>NA: "no man own land"
>white man tries to live in peace with native neighbors
>NA: "white man settle on native land. gib back land"
>WM: "you use a quarter of it once a year for hunting.... there's plenty of land for both of us"
>literally REEEEEEEEEEEE's
>"white man steal our land!"
>starts nigging out
>"gibs back land"
>REE REE REE REE REE
>white man gets tired of the screeching
>moves them far away
>NA: "white man bad devil man"
>NA: "steal our land, kill our people"
>WM: "You raided our towns, scalped our men, and raped our wives and daughters"
>WM: "We aren't the bad gu-"
>NA: "NO! white man devil man"
Literally nigger tier

Reminder that the spanish/porteguese came to the midwest and introduced horses and disease 200 or so years before Americans started pushing west.

Natives had nearly killed all the buffalo. White man disease nearly killed all the natives. The buffalo population skyrocketed due to lack of savages, then white man came and hunted buffalo to near extinction just like the savages did.

White men inherited the shame of buffalo killing.

The diseased blanket trading is a myth perpetrated by left wing radicals crackpots like ward Churchill

There is zero evidence that anyone purposely gave infected blankets to natives

I care more that he killed the bank. Faggot.

They could be worse.

You're welcome for that too.

Leftist tried that blanket crap here.

>keeps repeating that he is making a point, but he doesn't state what it is
>de Aguilar referenced ???; Lewis and Clark referenced ???; Carl Wimar referenced ???; illiterate individuals giving their first-hand accounts of what horse culture on the Plains during the 1800s referenced ???
Go ahead and state what you think it is I'm missing; otherwise you just sound like a modern jackass.

My city is Native American majority today
The difference is today they're called Mexicans

>zero evidence that anyone purposely gave infected blankets to natives
I didn't make that claim.

I read this a while back...

That at the sacrificial temples in Aztec land, the victim would have its heart ripped out of its chest, and the cadaver was thrown down the steps of the pyramid.

The spectators would gather up the body and cook it and eat it.

This was according to the Conquistador witnesses.

Cannibalism was common, and rampant.

OOH I HAVE A STORY TO ADD:
>be chief on reserve
>Recieve 100 million dollars (one hundred) from gubmints
>Reservation is a shithole
>The money i supposed to be more than enough to fix it
Fast forward a few years
>Reservation is even worse
>"People" literally tearing down walls to burn for heat
>Need more money from gubmints
>Chief living luxury life

Residential schools should be reinstated and the savages that dont go need to be shot. None of them can handle sugar, all of them are fat alcoholics and preach "muh heritage" while practicing none of it.

They weren't evil but they certainly weren't innocent either. Is probably the best way to understand it. They committed their fair share of atrocities, and their History as understood by the mainstream public is mostly a lie. The truth being in a lost of cases a complex network of treaties. (All of which should be regarded as obsolete in some respects.)

>The Conquest of New Spain, Francisco de Aguilar
There's a passage like that in this book; written during the 1600s but reads just like he's talking to you.

This ffs, the french did what they always did and fucked and essentially lived side by side with the Natives almost as equals. You leaf faggots shouldn't feel bad in the slightest.

Just google: 'what is user's point about Injuns'. I'm sure you will find something that you can ctrl-c ctrl-v. Alternatively, you could go to your local library and start the wonderful journey of actually learning about things before you start talking about them.