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They were bourgeois kulaks, death was merciful to what they should've got as punishment

Stop it Rex

No they weren't, they were Ukrainian peasants who had their food confiscated from them by the state - it is often thought this systematic genocide-by-starvation was done in order to quell the Ukrainian nationalist movement

Commies deserve the bullet

To the gas cha...I mean gulag with you kik...I mean kulak!

>1991 Moscow on state of the art Soviet camera technology

>Wow, I just found out Nazis are bad so their enemies the hardcore Stalinists must be good!

but communist leaders are literally jews...

Yeah. Just zerg rush your enemies. What's a few 25 to 30 million soliders lost in battle when you starved 60 million to death in your 5 year plan?
The enemy will probably just run out of bullets if you sacrifice enough of your people. Great job, comrade.

And where is the Soviet Union today?

>tfw the jews managed to get away with 70% of the wealth of the soviet union when it dissolved

(Citation)
> Israel and US crush any socialist/communist revolution around the world
> 47% of American bourgeois/1% are Jews
> less then 8 percent of soviet bolshevik leaders were Jews
EMBRACE MARXIST-LENINISM AND COME HOME WHITE MAN, FREE YOURSELF OF THIS JEWISH USURY AND ANGLO CAPITALISM

> pol complains about Jews using muh 6 million
> uses the Fox News gommunist soviets killed 17 trillion meme

Socialism / Communism wo-

> Pol likes family valued strong moral Eastern Europe societies being turned into degenerate capitalist hellholes

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if it was so great it wouldnt of fell. communism is designed to fail.

>oy vey goy religion is banned!
>less than 8% of marxist kikes are jews goy!

top kike

> I can't read a book
> OV VEY BANNING RELIGION? SILLY GOY, INSTEAD YOU NEED TO GET ME ANUDDAH SMALL GUBERMINT TAX CUT AND BUY MOAR OF MY PRUDUCTS

Jews like Friedman, Hayek and Rothbard literally invented lolbertarianism as a way to get their kike friends more shekels and promote degenerate values within the right, fuck off back to >>>r/donald

>Lenin
Mixed
>Stalin
Georgian
>Khrushchov
Russian
>Brezhnev
Ukrainian
>Andropov
Russian
>Gorbachov
Russian
>Mao
Chinese
>Ceausescu
Romanian
>Honecker
German
>Rakosi
Hungarian Jew
>Kadar
Hungarian
>Zhivkov
Bulgarian

OV VEY ITS ANUDDAH SHOAH THE GOYIM KNOW OUR ((MYTHS)) ABOUT THE USSR WERE ALL BULLSHIT TO SPREAD ((CAPITALISM)), BETTER GET OUT CONTROLLED POLMODS TO
> SHUT
> IT
> DOWN

NAME NATIONALITY
Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
Lourie (Larine) Jew
Ouritski Jew
Volodarski Jew
Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) Jew
Smidovitch Jew
Sverdlof (Yankel) Jew
Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew
Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian
Krylenko Russian
Lounatcharski Russian
“The Council of the People’s Commissars comprises the following:

MINISTRY NAME NATIONALITY
President Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian
Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian
Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian
Agriculture Protian Armenian
Economic Council Lourie (Larine) Jew
Food Schlichter Jew
Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
State Control Lander Jew
State Lands Kauffman Jew
Works V. Schmidt Jew
Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) Jewess
Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian
Religions Spitzberg Jew
Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
Hygiene Anvelt Jew
Finance Isidore Goukovski Jew
Press Volodarski Jew
Elections Ouritski Jew
Justice I. Steinberg Jew
Refugees Fenigstein Jew
Refugees (assist.) Savitch Jew
Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski Jew
“The following is the list of members of the Central Executive Committee:

NAME NATIONALITY
Sverdlov (president) Jew
Avanessof (sec.) Armenian
Bruno Lett
Babtchinski Jew
Bukharin Russian
Weinberg Jew
Gailiss Jew
Ganzburg Jew

Danichevski Jew
Starck German
Sachs Jew
Scheinmann Jew
Erdling Jew
Landauer Jew
Linder Jew
Wolach Czech
Dimanstein Jew
Encukidze Georgian
Ermann Jew
Joffe Jew
Karkline Jew
Knigissen Jew
Rosenfeldt (Kamenef) Jew
Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
Krylenko Russian
KrassikofSachs Jew
Kaprik Jew
Kaoul Lett
Ulyanov (lenin) Russian
Latsis Jew
Lander Jew
Lounatcharski Russian
Peterson Lett
Peters Lett
Roudzoutas Jew
Rosine Jew
Smidovitch Jew
Stoutchka Lett
Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew
Sosnovski Jew
Skrytnik Jew
Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
Teodorovitch Jew
Terian Armenian
Ouritski Jew
Telechkine Russian
Feldmann Jew
Froumkine Jew
Souriupa Ukranian
Tchavtchevadze Georgian
Scheikmann Jew
Rosental Jew
Achkinazi Imeretian
Karakhane Karaim (Jew)
Rose Jew
Sobelson (Radek) Jew
Sclichter Jew
Schikolini Jew
Chklianski Jew
Levine (Pravdine) Jew

“The following is the list of members of the Extraordinary Commission of Moscow:

NAME NATIONALITY
Dzerjinski (president) Pole
Peters (vice-president) Lett
Chklovski Jew
Kheifiss Jew
Zeistine Jew
Razmirovitch Jew
Kronberg Jew
Khaikina Jewess
Karlson Lett
Schaumann Jew
Leontovitch Jew
Jacob Goldine Jew
Glaperstein Jew
Kniggisen Jew
Latzis Lett
Schillenkuss Jew
Janson Lett
Rivkine Jew
Antonof Russian
Delafabre Jew
Tsitkine Jew
Roskirovitch Jew
G. Sverdlof Jew
Biesenski Jew
Blioumkine Jew
Alexandrevitch Russian
I. Model Jew
Routenberg Jew
Pines Jew
Sachs Jew
Daybol Lett
Saissoune Armenian
Deylkenen Lett
Liebert Jew
Vogel German
Zakiss Lett

>Throwing millions of untrained peasants at the enemy until they are overwhelmed is a good strategy

It barely worked for them, and if they didn't have an immensely larger population than Germany they would have lost and it would have been embarrassing as shit

>Husak
Czech
>Gottwald
Czech
>Hoxha
Albanian
>Gomulka
Polish
>Gheorghiu-Dej
Romanian
>Tsedenbaal
Mongolian
>the Kims
Korean
>Ho
Vietnamese
>Mariam
Ethiopian gentile
>Castro brothers
Spanish/mixed (?)
Who'd I miss?

What year was this? Most of Lenin's Cabinet was purged by the late 1930s.

15 years before the Invasion Russia was a backwards feudal peasant farming society
In literally 15 years of Soviet socialism they managed to transform a farming country into a superpower capable of not only being the only nation to stop German invasion but to fling them back across Europe and stomp them to bits

Demographic losses from famine of 30s: 1,5 millions
>REEEE EVIL COMMUNISM KILLS PEOPLE

Demographic losses from Yeltsin capitalism: 15 millions
>It is normal demographic situation isn't it?

It's a leaf, it's bullshit, Jews were only slightly over represented in Bolshevik revolutionary leadership, like 4% of the pop equaled 6% or so of the leadership

And then they collapsed in on themselves a few decades later.

They were still a feudal peasant society throughout the war and after too.

Again, the only reason they won is because they had enough disposable peasants to throw at the enemy, that isn't admirable or cunning at all. It's absolutely desperate and shows what little regard the soviets had for their own people

google.com.au/amp/s/www.rt.com/document/5715f2a9c36188c33e8b45b9/amp/340158-most-russians-regret-ussr-has

>Demographic losses from famine of 30s:
At least 10 million in Ukraine alone. Yet more in the rest of Russia.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932–33

Nice kike a historic propaganda
The USSR had more airplanes and more tanks then the Germans because they had higher productive capacity despite their factors being bombed to shit under Stalin. Furthermore having more soldiers doesn't mean anything, the Germans were the most technologically advanced in the world and the USSR won mostly through leadership and comradeship spurred on by seeing their fellow comrades get slaughtered by German eugenics when they invaded.
Keep believeing USA goy trickery sheep

Except that only happened when Germany was also at war with 2/3rds of the globe and the USSR was being supplied by foreign governments when they started their summer counteroffensives in 1943.

>Robert Wilton, the Russian correspondent of The Times. In 1920 he published a book in French, Les Derniers Jours des Romanofs, which gave the racial background of all the members of the Soviet government. (This does not appear in the later English translation, for some odd reason.) After the publication of this monumental work, Wilton was ostracised by the press, and he died in poverty in 1925. He reported that the Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party was made up as follows

For someone who advocates reading books / info youre pretty fucking retarded and make communists look like full retards.

That isnt the argument. the argument is that it is a mostly jewish doctrine pushed and invented mostly by jews. stop being a fucking idiot.

Actually Stalin spent most of his time killing political opponents instead of building up his military, it was a pathetic show of leadership and more Russians died because of it.

Imagine what you could have accomplished with a Western government?

After the fall of the soviet union, what happened to the industry? Was it privatized and shares (stock, ownership) granted to all of it's workers?

With all of the machinery and infrastructure it should have been possible to start competing in a free market economy within too long.

Of course they do, they were semi-relevant back then

They could make their peace with repressive totalitarianism, because Russia has basically always had oppressive totalitarianism. As long as it made Russia a strong country, they don't care.

That doesn't mean I want socialist totalitarianism for the West you fucking kike

Theres no such thing as capitalism, its just called economics

Famines had happened in Russia for thousands of years before the Bolshevik Revolt, the Ukrainian famine wasn't genocide or due to the system of production but because of large population and a really poor crop yield from drought. Does the 1860's potato famine caused by Capitalism in which Irish potato producers run by the Anglos made more money exporting their potatoes, so poor Irish people couldn't buy them and starved suddenly disprove capitalism by the same logic?

(((polls)))

Winter and US made and supplied jeeps tanks planes and capital factory equipment does not a super power make.

Yes there's a western government in power now and russia has turned to shit with worse living standards then in late 1980's socialism.
Look at this, it took western governments 10-15 years JUST to get to the level of GDP socialism had achieved in soviet Russia

Except all those trends started under the Soviets, you thick Slav.

LOL surely you can't blame capitalism for the failures of Russian despotic leadership and corruption?

>The USSR had more airplanes and more tanks then the Germans because they had higher productive capacity

Again, more disposable peasant slaves = more productivity. Especially when you give them nothing in return for work but a loaf of bread, you have way more resources left over

>Furthermore having more soldiers doesn't mean anything

It doesn't usually. But this battle went to the last man. Surely you're aware of how embarrassingly hard it was for them to take Finland and how easy it was for the Germans to push into Soviet russia before they went sperg tier and threw literally everyone at them (which only caused a stalemate at best for years)

Not only that, but the Germans attacked in the winter. Without that advantage for the Soviets they would have lost.

>Germans were the most technologically advanced in the world

Correct

>and the USSR won mostly through leadership and comradeship

No, they won through disposable peasants and cold weather

> socialism working well and booming so that many economists predicted Soviet bloc to over take USA within 30-50 years
> moves to capitalism/mixed market
> economy collapses
> YOU CANT BLAME CAPITALISM FOR THIS IT WAS THE LEADERSHIPS FAULT!!!11
then in another thread:
> socialist government collapses due to poor leadership/external pressure/embargoes etc
> HA! That just disproved the system once and for all, see communists, socialism don't work!!
Pick one

There is a lot of different numbers in your links from 1 to 10 millions deaths. Demographic losses it is not only deaths it is difference between deaths and births and those losses for famine lies in interval from 1 million to 3 millions death depends of who is counting.

>Comradeship
A), the word is Comradery.
B) this isn't an actual fucking metric of how wars are won any more than "Racial superiority" in the abstract is. While the characterization of the Soviets as a feudal peasant society is an idiotic one, it is true that they wonbecause they ahd so many fucking people to throw at the Germans.

>Famines had happened in Russia for thousands of years before the Bolshevik Revolt,

US had a famine in the 1930s
Called it the dust bowl
Funny how the deaths from it was in 100s
and not the 10s of millions.

No, the Irish Potato Famine wasn't caused by market forces, it was caused by the intervention of central planning, but it wasn't a genocide because the British didn't do it with the intention of liquidating kulaks.

USSR couldn't take Finland because they were busy with the bulk of the Germans and they was no moral defense of the motherland type courage to spur them on in Finland
No you can't force people to be productive, babushka women and children even took up arms against the children, soviets would sign songs in factories and when marching to battle, they were nationalist and united behind defense of their motherland.
Also most soldiers were decently trained and far from peasants, sure they had to mass numbers quickly to repel german invasion but that was just to being ill prepared for an invasion that year since they expected it to be the year after as you mentioned, the Germans attacked close to Winter, putting them on a timeline to take Moscow

USSR was such a pathetic excuse for a country it could not provide basic goods for households there.

Even the progranda films are pathetic, showing Americans bribing border guards with bundles of soap. The Soviet retarded fucking peasants ogle over a pile of soap like it's gold and consider taking it as a bribe.

Such inefficiency leaves the population poor, starving, and retarded.

The British literally used markets to sell and export potatoes overseas or to mainland Britain instead of selling to common Irish people as they were poor dirty peasants, literal capitalist famine.

>USSR couldn't take Finland because they were busy with the bulk of the Germans and they was no moral defense of the motherland type courage to spur them on in Finland
The Winter War happened before WW2 you dumb fuck

> Second highest standard of living boom in recorded history under Stalin, only second to Mao
> Huge boom in university education rates, literacy and numeracy rates
> Won the early space race, only lost out on getting to some moon rock
> Second country to develop nuclear warheads
> Had huge public approval and hundreds of soviet anthems were written and still sung today about stalins glorioisn reign
> life expectancy basically doubled
> 2-3x cinemas, hospitals, schools per capita from start of stalins reign to end
> Buillt national infastructure largely from nothing, established fair national industries workers enjoyed working in
AND NOW r/Donald shills spout kike lies about the USSR

Eh no it happened in 39-40, the USSR was largely preparing for the inevitable battle with the Germans and my point on morality is still true, Finland never attacked and massacred soviet villages as the Germans did.

meanwhile in reality socialism is nothing but decline, and capitalism is actually raising the standard of living for the entire planet.

Defending Socialism is so retarded your entire argument can be debunked by looking at Venezuela.

I'm interested though, how do you defend Venezuela?

And then they collapsed.

as always, fpbp

Venezuela is capitalism, why would I defend a mixed market 70% privately owned oil based economy?
They didn't collapse, the leadership did and betrayed the nation. The eastern bloc had faster growth rates then the west in the 80's and they were on track to surpass the West in terms of GDP and technology soon

>the USSR was largely preparing for the inevitable battle with the Germans
No they weren't. Stalin genuinely believed he was in the clear for the short term and was specifically not building up.

It did not occur because a private business. It occurred because the power of the state was used to intervene in the normal process of economics. That is mercantilism not capitalism.

fpbp

>the leadership did and betrayed the nation
So Communism can't succeed because it only takes one bad leader to fuck it all up then?

All capitalism requires a state retard, otherwise it would just be feudalism. The Anglo controlled Ireland was forced into liberalized right wing economic structures that starved millions of peasants as it wasn't profitable to feed them
Another example is the British starving of millions of Indians in the 40's-50's

Any system won't succeed if the leader fucks it up, doesn't matter if it's socialist or capitalist. I would point out communism is not what the USSR was, as that requires no state but you're an ayncrap. Conversely just as Gorbachev fucked the Soviet Union so did Reagan with modern America although the USA's death is just slowly and protracted as it debt spirals to fund wars and give handouts to the ((rich))

>Finland never attacked and massacred soviet villages as the Germans did.

Finns just threw most of ethnic russian population from occupied zone to the concentration camps where death rate was same or bigger than in german camps.

>I would point out communism is not what the USSR was, as that requires no state
Yes, I know, it was state capitalist.

It was socialist under Stalin, towards the end it was more state capitalist although some socialist elements, some uber tankies would crucify me for saying that but it's true.

You should be able to tell how pathetic socialist communism is by how important it is to them to brainwash their population into believing the system is good.

That simply isn't necessary with the superior capitalist democracies, and there is good reason for it.

>when you have to become fascist to go toe to toe with a natsoc country with a manpower and manufacturing power that is minuscule compared to your own that is also fighting another war on another front.

>It was socialist under Stalin
No, it was state capitalist. You can't be a dictatorship and still be socialist.

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> No brainwashing under capitalism
> no brainwashing
If the system is fine why the fuck are you even here? The USA is a largely capitalist oligarchy, basically your ideal system. If you can't see the brainwashing under modern liberal capitalist individualist lifestylism the ZOG juices have infected your brain to the point your unsavable

it was intentional

ukrainian subhumans are useless waste of space

Literally invented and pushed by Jews, because it helps them and hurts you, stupid.

It wasn't a full dictatorship, it was just a Marxist Leninist highly planned socialist transition state. It had nationalized industry and production and a centralized distribution of resources. Certainly not Communist but it didn't really product for profit and abolished currency for wage credits.
Call it whatever you want I guess

Hearing butthurt Russians say this kind of shit is always good for a laugh

Fake source, 6-8% of party leadership was ZOG
Compared to 47% of USA 1% being ZOG

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_and_Eastern_Bloc_defectors

>It wasn't a full dictatorship
Stalin wasn't elected by the people, and since he wasn't elected by the people the state was not in the hands of the people, thus it was state capitalist.

>transition state
>didn't actually transition
Just lol

>fake source cause I say so
It really isn't.
The entire ideology was invented by Jews, with the purpose of subverting foreign nations, you dumb fuck.

When 47% of American 1% is ZOG Israel supporting machine but 5.2% of Bolshevik party members being ZOG concerns you

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That's not a full requirement for socialism unless you're a retarded anarchist. The only requirements are public or nationalized ownership of means of production and abolitionment of wage labour. Both were more or less accomplished under Stalinism. It was no where near communist, the only communist society to have existed for a time was Catalonia which was crushed by international backing of Spain

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You're wrong

> avoids an official source of Bolshevik party membership by religion records for Sup Forums greentexts and shit memes.
This is your brain on ZOG-nat socialism

Niggers don't work either.

>The only requirements are public or nationalized ownership of means of production and abolitionment of wage labour.
So if I make all of my population unpaid slaves and then nationalized all the means of production (with me being dictator over it all) then I am in fact running a socialist society. Well, I'm gonna pass on that.

Communism doesn't work

THE RIGHT CANT FIGHT

it's not real socialism

>No goyim it's the enemies of the Jews that are the ZOG
Do you really expect anyone to fall for that?