Can a person both be a Capitalist and be a Christian who goes to Heaven?

Can a person both be a Capitalist and be a Christian who goes to Heaven?

I don't think Capitalism expects people to act in a very Christlike way.

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>Can a person both be a Capitalist and be a Christian who goes to Heaven?
only if you accept the current status quo of late stage capitalism

Corporatism doesn't leave room, but there is plenty of room within actual Capitalism for a Christian to practice their faith productively.

Capitalism is a lack of socialism. Nothing more, nothing less.
Kill yourself, retard.

The Bible is pro-profit and business is often a-moral.

>something about passing through the eye of a needle

>can you live your life as a Christian and still not mandate that everybody around you live the same way?
Yes, you can, you fucking idiot.

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>Can a person both be a Capitalist and be a Christian who goes to Heaven?

Yes, but only if they are a capitalist because it is an efficient way for them to manage their business.

A company exists to produce a good or service, not make money, the money is a means to an end. The millisecond making money becomes the purpose then its straight to hell for you.

>I don't understand parables or the posts I'm replying to
Being a Christian doesn't mean telling people what to do with their money...or maybe you can quote me the bible verse where Jesus said "People should be able to force other people to do what I say."

Im a christian and a monarchist i have a king that is king of all his name is christ the only begoten son of god. And he will return and setup a millenial reign. Why would christians give a shit what worldly government is run its all corrupted. You all say everything is going to crap it is. Im waiting for the antichrist and oneworld government bad shits coming sep23 maybe.

nobody knows until you die. there is no argument here.

Your post has nothing to do with this thread.

The OP didn't ask about going around telling other people what to do, he asked about an individuals own actions.

Thats a bad answer.

There is nothing in christianity that opposes the idea that a societies resources are best managed through capitalism. Of course capitalism in practice, like all systems in practice, are subject to corruption and inevitably break down.

I suppose the OP would have to clarify what 'being a capitalist' means. Does he mean thinking capitalism can work for a societies benefit? Does he mean taking his money and investing it in a business for this sake?
There is nothing wrong with either of these things.

If he means compromising a companies optimal potential benifit for society for the sake of pelasing investors, however, then no. That would be some kind of mamon worship and its straight to hell. A christian, ideally, would live in poverty. You are out of poverty only for the sake of being able to use those assets to help others. Charity is simple, but using that money to make something beneficial which is self sustaining and aids society is just as charitable.

The desire for worldly possessions is evil, thats not itself what capitalism is, however. The best life is one where you simply find joy in your simple daily activities and try not to be an asshole. Says so right in ecclesiastes.

Remember you will be judged on your motivations, not your actions.

capitalism is the idea that government doesn't get to dictate the conditions of free and willful exchange between individuals. OP suggested that if you are Christian you can't also agree with that. Your individual actions are not the same thing as what you think the government has the right to dictate to other people.

Learn what the fuck you are talking about before you mash the keyboard telling people their post is irrelevant, retard.

capitalism is value free, except property rights.

Capitalism is the only economic system that God approves of you filthy communist. Read Jesus' parables about the Kingdom.

>capitalism is the idea that government doesn't get to dictate the conditions of free and willful exchange between individuals.

Thats a side effect of capitalism, not what capitalism is. Capitalism is the idea that people investing personal resources as they see fit and market forces produce a good outcome for societies overall resources management.
As opposed to a system where a centralized planning authority manages things.

These are philosophical positions and have nothing to do with actual implementation. There is no pure implementation of any economic ideal.

>The OP didn't ask about going around telling other people what to do, he asked about an individuals own actions.
>I suppose the OP would have to clarify what 'being a capitalist' means.
Make up your mind you pseudo-intellectual moron

Individualism was born out of European Christianity (the individual has a soul, responsible for own fate, etc)

Capitalism as we know it was born out of individualism (people as individuals should trade freely because castes and kings are bullshit)

Everything else was born out of capitalism, which came from individualism, which came from European Christianity.

Heaven doesn't exist user. It's time to grow up.

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>As opposed to a system where a centralized planning authority manages things.
The opposite of which is literally exactly what I typed and you quoted...of which
>the idea that people investing personal resources as they see fit and market forces produce a good outcome for societies overall resources management.
is a theoretical benefit, not the definition.
Congratulations on contradiction your own line of
>I suppose the OP would have to clarify what 'being a capitalist' means.
for a second time. Maybe you'd like to go for a third.

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That's just how a communist thinks; collective resources and people being resources like any other resource.

In capitalism, individuals have the right to decide their life which means the right to control their resources. That's where it starts.

If a communist government is telling you how to control all your resources, they're controlling your entire life, which in practices means they're do so under threat of violence.

Capitalism and liberty go hand in hand. If you can't buy and sell freely then you're not free.

Yes, as long as you give away everything before you die. Like Bill Gates. He's spending all his money to save millions of lives across the world. So he basically pooled money from massive cooperation and first worlders in order to help the 3rd world.

Those two things you quoted do not contradict each other in any way.

The first quote has to do with the definition of christian you are implying, the second quote has to do with the definition of capitalist in the OPs question.

The father of modern capitalism was a satanist (Bernard mandeville)

no

Resources are collective when you get down to it. You cant cause them to not be unless you make it physically impossible for anyone else to ever access them, at which point they become useless to the owner as well.

Ownership is more like a controlling share, not an inherent property. You dont even own your own body, as time will rob you of it.

>Right to decide their life
Nobody decides their life, they are presented situations and adapt to them as best they can.

>communist government telling you
If a centralized entity is managing everything then its really up to how much influence you have on that entity when it comes down to who is controlling who. Early on centralized management is what made civilization prosper, the ability to dictate stores of grain and move around assets kicked off civilization. The idea behind capitalism is that it eliminates the distance between concerned parties and allows for immediate local management. Its the same as arguing a local city government is better equipped for repairing the local roads than some distant authority.

>free
you arent actually free in some all inclusive ideological sense people like to throw around, you never were and never can be. In a society at the very least you are forced to conform to its standards. In the end, like the centralized government, while you may have some influence on those standards, the amount can easily vary.

The "telling other people what to do" is the "you can't be capitalist" part of my post you originally quoted. Try to keep up.

Capitalism is letting a select few get rich as fuck while everyone else wage slaves.

Needs to be checked but I agree no socialism.

>no
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The only way that makes sense is if you were to assert that each individual gets to define what being a christian is for themselves.

And then it still only works in your posts wording and not the OPs

>Resources are collective when you get down to it.

How many homeless people are you sharing your computer with? If someone on Sup Forums asked for your iPhone, are you going to mail it to them for half of every month?

No?

Then stfu communist. You just want to steal other people's shit.

>literally divine tripple 7s from kek
be gone mammon
You are only even in this thread because you feel some guilt and are trying to justify your greedy life. I bet you are some kind of protestant who thinks they are a christian. A fedora wouldn't care about this.

>you arent actually free in some all inclusive ideological sense people like to throw around

If you have a dollar, you can spend that dollar on whatever you want. It matters more than you're willing to admit. Personal economic power is freedom.

If i wanted to take your stuff i could. I dont need to.

The fact, however, that your stuff could be taken means that you dont actually own it, you are simply allowed to control it by society. The principal of capitalism is that society allows this because its actually beneficial for society in the long run.

You're even dumber than your selection of a John Krasinski meme image would suggest.
Ever heard of Max Weber? He's considered one of the founding fathers of sociology.
He located capitalism squarely in protestant tradition.
Read a book, fagget. You sure are stupid.

>If you have a dollar, you can spend that dollar on whatever you want.

There are things that are illegal to buy, and the value of that dollar is out of my control. What i could have spent that dollar on 20 years ago would take many dollars today.

People have always had money they can spend on things, capitalism did not introduce this concept.

>For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you,
>nor did we eat anyone's food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. (2 Thess.3:7-8)

>If i wanted to take your stuff i could

No, you couldn't, because we don't live in a communist society where you get to steal shit like an immoral POS.

I own my stuff. You don't. Your communist pals don't either. End of story.

>protestant

But the OP asked if he could be christian :^)

You're trying to argue around the point. That dollar is personal economic freedom under capitalism, which is freedom in life.

And no, that doesn't exist under communism and tyranny.

People had jobs, and spent money on things, before capitalism was invented

There is nothing stopping anyone from robbing you at any time. Or attempting to at least. Peace is a societal contract, the only actual authority comes from violence.

>Argue around the point

I am pointing out that that dollar is not some unit of value i can do anything with, it is a limited thing that i can do certain things which i am allowed to do with.

There is no difference between some dictator telling me i can pick between exactly two things to spend that dollar on, and our current society where there are quite a few more things i can spend that dollar on. In the end im still limited, its just not as noticeable.

Have you read the fucking bible? It does not need shit, the checking occurs after death. You're going to have weasels and kikes in every system, and if you try to make a new system, they'll adapt to it and kike you there too. They'll hide from you, because the nature of you not being a fucking kike allows them to do that.

You know who they can't hide from? God. And their disgusting usurious souls will scream and turn in eternal hellfire. This is pretty much the only canonical damnation we can be certain of. We don't know for CERTAIN if faggots, niggers, and every other thing I don't like with two gs in it will go to hell, but we can be certain--CERTAIN--that moneylenders will. Every last fucking one of them.

That's Christianity. That makes it worth it even if nothing else is.

>The only way that makes sense is if you were to assert that each individual gets to define what being a christian is for themselves.
Literally no part of the post you replied to had anything to do with Christianity. If you're referring to another post, you're going to have to clarify how defining capitalism is in any way related to how you define Christianity.

>And then it still only works in your posts wording and not the OPs
A line reliant on a line that makes no sense. Maybe you're trying to tie into OP's definition to capitalism which you have already said is ambiguous?

>There is nothing stopping anyone from robbing you at any time.

You sound like a psychopath. And also you just said society lets me keep my stuff. Typical communist, changing facts when it suits you.

You can choose what to buy. Don't try to move the goal posts.

The OP, the entire point of this thread, is the OP asking if you can be a christian while being a capitalist.

Your initial replies here
and here
Means that you are coming into this thread and not even talking about the OPs question. You are arguing against something that nobody has even said. It makes no sense within the context of the OP at all. The thread discusses what it means to be a christian and you are arguing against people telling other people what to do.

>psychopath
Psychopaths are pragmatic
>you just said society lets me keep my stuff
Its true, there is nothing inherent in nature that will allow you to keep those things. There is no such thing as inherent possession. This has nothing to do with capitalism, or communism, it just is. All the isms are systems by which a society agrees to manage what it has access to.

I literally can not choose beyond what choices are given me, and these choices are restricted in numerous ways some of which are directly dictated through the structure of the system. Thats not moving a goalpost.

Your argument is that there is some magic in that dollar that makes it represent some high ideal, when in reality that dollar is worthless, its not even backed by anything tangible anymore. Its entierly a construct of society. So effectively that dollar you are so fond of is basically a receipt for you signing over all actual possession to the system.

I tried to understand this shit. read some Thomas Aquinas. his justifications for private property/the state in a christian context always seemed shaky to me.

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>the OP asking if you can be a christian while being a capitalist.
Exactly...
>The thread discusses what it means to be a christian and you are arguing against people telling other people what to do.
Well, no, it's discussing what it means to be Christian and if you can reconcile that with being capitalist (by your own quote above) to which I replied
Because capitalism is literally the opposite of the government regulating everything, again, by your own admission
>As opposed to a system where a centralized planning authority manages things.
And since you can reconcile being a Christian with not telling everybody what to do, I made my original post.
Still not able to keep up, are you? Maybe you should try rereading my first post over and over again until you understand it.

>There is no difference between some dictator telling me i can pick between exactly two things to spend that dollar on, and our current society where there are quite a few more things i can spend that dollar on
except the fact that in our current society anybody is free to offer you a new thing to spend that dollar on...are you a teenager?

>Bee fable
History proved him wrong.

Also, the fathers of original capitalism were Spanish monks iirc (Note to Americans: This doesn't mean they were Mexicans).

>The desire for worldly possessions is evil, thats not itself what capitalism is
>The desire for worldly possessions
>Thats not what capitalism is
Whoa boy. Capitalism is using competition to find the most efficient means of supplying a demand. Thats it.
And Jesus was more a 'cooperate' not 'compete' kind of guy.

BTFO bitch, nice reply