Tanks or Ships
Tanks or Ships
Mediocre edgeshit or genuinely refreshing use of a SoL?
Let's see, yup, the latter. No wonder one is doing mediocre like itself, and the other is best seller.
ships all the way. its sad that i can name all of the IJN Japanese fleet. and I am learning more about tanks as we speak
you can't drift ships
I choose planes.
At least choose something not-shit of the franchise.
You got it primary-kun.
Tanks between your image. Now, if we had a good show based on ships...
Haifuri is unironically better.
Maybe so far, but they need to hurry up and kill someone or at least do something shocking.
GuP schools are basically aircraft carriers so it depends if those aircraft carriers have any actual aircraft left. If they do, they could probably sink all the Haifuri fleets since airplanes don't seem to exist in that setting so they're completely unprepared for them. If not, the Haifuris sink all their schools easily.
I'm not going to make a decision until Haifuri finishes season 1 and the GuP movie gets subbed.
A lot closer, I think... Personally, I prefer GuP because the tanks work a lot closer to real life in it. I acknowledge that Arpeggio has a bit more depth (no pun intended) to it, though.
Ships of course op
floats your boat
I doubt OP was asking which one would win in a fight, but it makes you wonder how thick would the hull of a seven and a fucking half kilometer long ship would be.
it has to be grimdark
GuP is a lot better. I've been trying to like Haifuri but it's honestly not good.
There's nowhere else it can go. They're dealing with live ammo and shit, it's not like GuP where it was all just a tournament.
If someone is going to die, it's going to be Rin
I think GuP is the far better animu.
Should be Moka.
Ships for life.
Panzer was kinda shitty.
The Yamato had 410mm side armor, and a length of 263m. If you apply the square-cube law when scaling up, you get over 62m of steel.
Or maybe 333m, I'm not sure on the proper application here.
needs more euro beat
Is GuP worth watching if I like Haifuri and Strike Witches?
I like ships more than tanks, but Hai Furi is nowhere near as good as GuP, which disappoints me deeply
GuP has it's own ships, so I choose that to get both.
Yes user, we'll never invite you to the super secret /ak/ bunker if you don't.
I can't think of any reason why you wouldn't enjoy GuP if you liked those
Haifuri needs to figure out where it wants to go. Right now the plot feels aimless.
We need to go back
still waiting for a mecha musume show that does not sucks shit.
Ships. I don't feel as strongly about licking tank girls clean after they've used the toilet.
How could they do that?
people that developed mind control rats take over Japan and hunt down the Harekaze, the only ship not infected
Haifuri is basically Aniplex trying to cash in on GuPs popularity without knowing what made it successful in the first place. They seem to think its entirely Yoshida and Suzuki and a super large cast. It also has their usual excessive marketing and trumpeting
Better question, Ship-girls or... Hang on, why no moe anthropomorphized tanks?
We need to rectify this immediately!
Most important question:
is bust size proportional to calibur, or armor thickness?[/spooiler]
Thinking about it, bust size should obviously be proportional to gun caliber... The ratio of gun caliber to armor thickness could determine how much clothes they're wearing. (I imagine this will make Hellcat-chan rather popular...)
Why is that Pz68 cosplaying as a Sherman?
Wir sind aus Munition heraus
Has there been a cute girl show about airplanes?
What if there was a show about flight attendants and their shenanigans flying all over the world?
Ships are cooler, but GuP is clearly the better anime.
only one ship
Don't recognize the left and Garupan kinda sucks. Can't I choose airplanes?
Why is Girls und Panzer so ridiculously successful?
Because it's cute girls driving Tanks.
Because it's well directed and has appealing characters and tank action.
Aside from the hype and the tank noises?
It has a very large all female cast, see idolshit or cancercolle. It's a neat trick that retains the waifufags and keeps them interested while you put out more merch for them to consume.
it's really good though
Minus the tank action, there are other shows that fit the bill for the other two qualities yet don't sell so much.
Well maybe they should have put tanks in those shows.
all these Sup Forumsnons shitting on GuP
This is just backlash for the chain generals, isn't it?
tfw no show about cute girls flying fighter planes
Strike witches does not count.
He's got you there, user.
Minus the tank action
"Girls und" just doesn't quite have the same ring to it...
It's because of the tanks, ya goof. GuP is novel, and it strikes just the right balance of absurdity, sincerity, and fuckin TANKS.
So is Haifuri not as good because tanks > boats or because the directing is worse?
haifuri has a worse
The reason it's not as good is because of the garbage writing so far.
Haifuri suffers from a lack of direction. It really started to be noticeable around episode 4. There's also how ridiculously absurd the battles are.
Shima shoots a bullet out of midair
Shit writing, it doesn't matter if it's boats or tanks, if the writing's good enough you can make anything hype
cute girls operating forklifts
cute girls operating forklifts
all girl anime version of Gabelstaplerfahrer Klaus
I've got one that's got girls flying light mechas; unfortunately the writers were very lazy.
Haifuri wants to be more serious but it isn't actually. The tone feels really inconsistent it's unclear what sort of show they are trying to make. GuP has a ridiculous premise but carriers it well with internal consistency, it's very clearly a sports anime with tanks.
I prefer Haifuri, but I never gave a fuck about realism or plot in the first place. In fact, I'm glad it didn't try to be gritty or serious at all.
Yes, and its well deserved in my opinion.
The /ak/ general is just pure fucking cancer, which is a shame, since the show is quite decent.
But I want proper planes.
Sento Yosei Yukikaze.
There's also how ridiculously absurd the battles are.
It's an anime about high school girls operating warships. If you're expecting anything like absolute realism, you're doing it wrong.
It's a couple of reasons, really. The plot of GuP was incredibly simple and focused. It was just a cookie-cutter sports tournament anime. This kept things simple and also heightened the gag. Haifuri has hypnosis hamsters, which are pretty absurd, but also super weird and out of place. The whole story has just been sort of a mess.
The character work is pretty strong though. I'd argue that the characters in Haifuri are a little more interesting that GuP. In GuP most of the characters only exist for the gag. All of their traits are setup as ridiculous in juxtaposition to the subject matter of tank warfare. Which again, means that GuP is more tight to the premise. The joke works better. In Haifuri, the joke isn't as tight, but you've got a lot of really engaging characters. I like what they're doing with the captain, and a lot of the peripheral girls like lookout-chan, sonar-chan, engineer-chan, and doctor-chan are really great. And the inevitable power struggle between the captain and vice captain spurred on by brunette bitch will surely be entertaining.
But all in all, GuP better serves its premise. Everything about GuP is assembled to pile on top of this weird joke, while at the same time being a respectable sports tournament anime with badass tank battles. It's just more cohesive in this way, it forms a more successful whole.
It could be better though. GuP did a mix of Gimmicky stunts and strategy while the boat show is just "We can do this thing probably.... WE DID IT"
Also I forgot to mention that this guy is fucking right, the whole shooting the bullet out of the air thing was retarded.
modern jets a shit
This, and I'm already preemptively upset that Haifuri is bound to become part of /ak/ once the show is over.
Haifuri got into the battles right away but then it hasn't really had any for the past few episodes. Sort of reverse from GuP. If the SOL had come first I wonder if the first impression of the show would have changed our expectations.
Indubitably. I won't be satisfied unless it's Porco Rosso with moe girls.
PANZOR VOR or TORIKAJI IPPAI
I love Hai-Furi, but GuP is the objectively better show. Boats might not be over yet, so there's possibility of getting better, but so far it's only strayed further from GuP. That's not to say it's a bad show. It's a good complement to cute girls doing cute military things, so now we only need planes to complete the triad.
And then Girls und Combat Infantry!
yall are faggots who can't appreciate the pure beauty of a giant air breathing, JP-8 sucking, fiery monster.
Isn't that Sora no Woto?
GuP never really made me laugh out loud aside from the zoom out carrier reveal but it was still pretty funny in an amusing way. I haven't felt any of that type of humor at all in Haifuri. It has comedy bits but they're sort of generic instead of over-the-top ridiculous.
The joke minor characters in GuP, when it has such a huge cast, make them memorable at least. I can't tell most of the Harekaze crew apart even if their interactions do feel more natural. But GuP also had groups of girls amalgamated into basically a single entity, like the volleyball club are all the same girl, same for the freshmen.
Jets in anime always devolve into itano circus bullshit. Props or go home.
Overall, Girls und Panzer might be a better series. I'll reserve judgement until HaiFuri is finished and I can judge it as a whole, though.
With that said, I think HaiFuri is overall doing more interesting things with its plot. GuP was, as you say, a cookie-cutter sports tournament anime. This has its pluses, since there's familiar elements to make the audience comfortable along with the strange premise, and it's a well-used genre, so it's easy to build on other examples. But that also does make it a bit predictable.
On the other hand, things are considerably less clear with HaiFuri. A good chunk of why I'm watching is to see where the hell they're going with the mind control rats thing. Which may be a ridiculous thing, but within the scope of ridiculous I'm willing to accept in a show about high school girls crewing largely automated warships. Once It's done and we know what's going on, will I be able to go back and re-watch it and still enjoy it? Time will tell.
In the meantime, I'm going to enjoy this for what it is, rather than leap to conclusions about whether or not it's better than another show with a kind of similar premise.
Incidentally, I think Sora no Woto is a closer comparison to make with HaiFuri than Girls und Panzer is.
The way they worked the realism magic in GuP was spot on.
You have shells and small arms fire flying around, tanks getting hit, catching fire and flipping over and nobody every getting hurt, despite a grand total of ONE character wearing an actual helmet. You have tanks drifting, speeding and cornering at speed 2-3 times faster than what they did in real life. You get turrets traversing at dubious speed, a loli loading shells heavier than herself and a tracks repairing faster than an f1 pit crew on crack.
What they didn't hold back on concerning realism was exactly the kind of stuff that the average tank autist watching this would gush over. The track and engine noises, the little bits of dust kicking off the hull when the gun fires. That crisp sound the casing makes as it falls into its basket. Miho opening a vent in the roof after the gun fires to let the smoke out .That grinding clutch noise when the Maus' turret jams into the building. How the tanks that can neutral turn do so but the pz IV turns with the brakes. Little details
that's because animators are still stuck in that infuriating WW2 mindset that all combat must take place within arm's length.
TORIKAJI IPPAI is more fun to say.
They're literally an (undersized) tank platoon, user. They were simply dismounted for most of the series while Takemikazuchi-chan was under repair, but they conducted their big combat scene in a tank. They actually have specialized armor roles (driver, gunner, commander, signalman/radio operator).
Filicia's old unit was also an armored unit.
not appreciating the beauty of a BF109
I'm sure shooting missiles from kilometers away will make for intersting combat.
Haifuri has hypnosis hamsters, which are pretty absurd, but also super weird and out of place. The whole story has just been sort of a mess.
What I really don't get is, who gives a shit?
I'm being serious here, the plot is just there as an excuse to have cute girls in ships, you're watching it knowing this, so why do you expect the creators to pretend there's anything serious to it? If anything, being ridiculous adds to the fun. How would you even make a believable story about high school girls in live naval battles?
I guess it could be disappointing for /k/ fags expecting some hot WW2 ship on ship action, but we all know that'd actually be boring as all hell.
I prefer Haifuri's character designs compared to GuP's.
Who says I didn't
Hawker Seafury is better by the way
Are you all serious?
You can make anything exciting if there's competent direction involved.
That's exactly it though, the creators ARE serious. That's what kills the fun.
Because WoT fags
the creators ARE serious
Does your dad works for Aniplex?
How would you make jet combat interesting without resorting to itano circus shittery or essentially turning them into props with missiles?
Girls und Drones anime, yes or no?
Haifuri girls > GuP girls
Complete with friendly fire and PTSD to pander to our new edgefriends
Make it about the tenseness of dodging multiple missile salvos so that you can get within missile range.
The suspense of being ordered to get WVR because of the IFF being wonky.
SEAD operations where its all about jamming the fuck out of enemy installations before slamming a couple AGM/PGM's into the enemy.
No that's lame. Drones just aren't fun.
That sounds lame as shit.
Any more than what's already in the show wouldn't be cute anymore.
WW2 is also lame as shit.
I fyou're really hellbent on muh honorabru gun duels you can just set it during the Korean War or Vietnam.
Jet planes are extremely cute.
Torpedo-chan is a riot.
I fyou're really hellbent on muh honorabru gun duels you can just set it during the Korean War or Vietnam.
Notice how I only mentioned modern jets earlier. Early jets that still used guns as primary weapons are the coolest shit.
there will never be a complete Third Aerial Girls Squad anime (with less awful CGI)
The creators aren't all that serious. Arguably slightly less serious than the creators of Girls und Panzer.
THE LAST GUNFIGHTER
Yeah that's true about the characters. The first couple tiers of named girls are pretty memorable, but then the rest are not well established or used. In GuP you would often get reactions from each group of girls, and they were all very visually distinct.
more interesting things with its plot
I agree, and if those things resolve in a satisfying way then the risk may pay off. But right now it feels kinda dumb to me. Like you say, we'll have to wait and see.
I think Sora no Woto is a closer comparison to make with HaiFuri than Girls und Panzer is.
Hah, I don't think I can agree with that. I would have to categorize both HaiFuri and GuP as "gag" anime, where the whole premise is not to be taken seriously. SnW (whether you think it was successful or not) made statements about the human condition, war, and mono no aware. GuP especially never presented war as anything other than cute, fluffy, and fun. Haifuri doesn't have anything approaching real war, but it does sorta touch on actual danger. In SnW war was hell. It ruined the lives of everybody in the show, and doomed the entire planet.
SnW has to go in a different category. It's got cute girls, yes, and sometimes they do cute things, but they also sometimes get blown to hell and have realistic PTSD symptoms. Could you imagine either GuP or Haifuri touching on a subject like war orphans? Suicide? Survivor guilt?
Haifuri is in this weird grey area between too ridiculous and not ridiculous enough, which prevents it from being grounded in any reasonable way. GuP had a ridiculous premise and constantly poked fun at that premise, but it didn't just do random shit. If you want to do random shit just go full nichijou.
She can fire my torpedo any day of the week
he doesn't appreciate the pure aesthetics of 4th/5th gen
I'd give her my torpedo if you get what I mean
Dayumn son, check 'em
ugly as fuck desu
You sound like a real fruit, "desu"
Not a Tempest V
Plebs, the lot of you!
But going OT, I believe that both shows have somewhat different audiences. GuP had the whole "girl sports with tanks" thing going for it, while Haifuri seems to be going for more the sci-fi/mystery show with SoL.
That's what I see, at least.
Then again, I'm a dirty /ak/-fag, so who cares what I say?
Wow, I didn't think that those ugly rocks with tin can wings would be appealing to anyone. Looks like I'll have to take my superior speed
and tastes above the rest of y'all
Sorry, Sup Forums couldn't keep up with the image
What are you superior tastes?
She's a real beaut for sure, based Clarence.
Far better than some memeshit like the Fw.190 or the Zero, or the Mustang.
Outta my way, gook fucking shits
Haifuri is in this weird grey area between too ridiculous and not ridiculous enough
People keep saying this but I don't see it. It's been ridiculous and obviously meant to be fun first and foremost since the beginning.
Maybe they were expecting some serious bait & switch to happen, or maybe they can't wrap their brains around life threatening situations being lighthearted (which would make me think they didn't watch enough cartoons), but the point is, I feel like people are projecting expectations on this show which it never promised or even indicated it would ever deliver.
prevents it from being grounded
I don't know what you mean. Unless you mean mind rats, in which case tank battles as a girls' sport is just as random.
Unless you mean mind rats, in which case tank battles as a girls' sport is just as random
See this is my whole point. It's not. Tank battles as a girls' sport is the whole joke. Everything in GuP is built up around this ridiculous joke. GuP is girls and tanks. Haifuri is girls and ships... but also mind rats for some reason.
Everything in GuP is built up around this ridiculous joke. GuP is girls and tanks. Haifuri is girls and ships... but also mind rats for some reason.
I really don't know what you're trying to say here.
for some reason
Because you can fight other ships without it being just a sport but also without dealing with bothersome shit like war and politics. This isn't difficult.
With enough plot contrivances and de-emphasized stealth, there would be nothing wrong with cute girls flying cute fighter jets. Area 88 already demonstrated that animated jet combat doesn't have to be boring without relying on Itano Circus.
posts a webm of jets being ridiculously maneuverable, dogfighting and using guns a shitload
You're just proving my point. It's essentially prop doghfighting with missiles.
I understand that they're just a mechanism to allow them to fight each other, but that doesn't make them any less shoe-horned in. Everything that happened in GuP was a natural narrative progression extending from the basic premise of girls and tanks. Hypnosis hamsters is just arbitrary.
Will Haifuri get FATALPULSED?
'Tank battles are a sport' is the central premise of GuP where as 'mindcontrol rats' is a plot device that is both has nothing to do with what was built up in the show before and is really contrived.
People have literally been calling out mind control from episode 1. It'd just rats instead of aliens or zombies. It will probably have something to do with the whole deep sea mining shit which has also been foreshadowed already.
stuff about SnW
All good points. I was mostly thinking about HaiFuri and SnW being (para)military units and live ammo being thrown around, compared to sports teams and dummy rounds in GuP. SnW also didn't leap straight into PTSD, the horrors of war, and all of that; it built up to it. For all we know HaiFuri might go where SnW went. (If I were a betting man, I'd bet not, but you never know.)
Mike is supposedly going to get a lot of growth from episode 5-8. Maybe we'll get things like PTSD and the horrors of war from the remaining two episodes.
has nothing to do with what was built up in the show
The only contrived thing here is people expecting realism or an engaging plot from this.
Yeah, because an invisible plane firing missiles at other invisible planes after all most SAM installations have been Tomahawk'd the fuck out is pretty boring. Jets are sexy for the speed and maneuverability, and you gotta demonstrate it in an exciting manner. Dodging missiles (muh Itano Circus) or dodging autocannon fire in a turning dogfight is sexy. Bombing ISIS' Toyota trucks with laser-guided munitions is not.
Macross Zero's opening dogfight is memorable and exciting not because a squadron of Tomcats and a squadron of Fulcrums spot each other at max range, dump all their missiles, and turn around and disengaging while dropping chaff.
tfw wanted an anime about the First War/Gulf/Nam/Any good war of the last century
Filled with character development
Blood and Feels
The main crew could even be high school girls. Fuck it.
Is that too much to ask?
You're basically agreeing with me here. Modern air combat is boring.
But the way they make it exciting is either use missile spam or make it WWII dogfighting with guided missiles, which imo are both not good solutions.
The ships are cuter.
Exactly how are Haifuri girls in any way superior to the GuP girls? How? How!? HOW!?
Haifuri girls at least try to have a personality beyond a single character quirk per team.
because its good
Their character designs blow GuP's out of the water, at least for me.
Gonna have to disagree there. Mind control's been there since episode 1, so it's not "unrelated to what was built up in the show" any more than actual combat. Rodents being the vector for it is unusual, sure, but it's no less plausible than any other possible means.
GuP character designs stand out a lot more with its eccentricity. so it's better overall. On the individual level the Haifuris' relatively smaller heads look less weird.
Seeing her go crazy next episode is going to be painful.
I dislike the way the GuP arttstyle portrays eyes.
Everyone loves tanks.
Somehow they're not as reviled as pretty much every other weapon, despite being literally made to fuck someone's shit up.
Eh, I could go either way with designs, but the Haifuri characters are so weak to me. I can't even remember who is who beyond worst captain and should have been captain.
You obviously haven't watched GuP enough. Each GuP team has a theme yes, but they all are much more complex. History team for example got fleshed out alot in the Anzio OVA on their relationship with each other and their individual personalities, especially Caeser. Rabbit team got alot of development too during the series from useless airheaded freshmen to ninja, super-tank killing, killer rabbits. The student council turned from bullies to being the team that cared about the school and each other. Haifuri, besides the stupid captain and serious first officer and the blonde bitchy german who I only like cause I like the VA, no one else is memorable. Also I cant remember any of their names beside Mocha-chan and the ships since the captain seems to say it every other word. Haifuri is a failure. Premise is stupid, the action is stupid, and I still cant tell if its supposed to be a comedy or serious.
I have a theory about that. Of the "modern" (ie 20th century onwards) vehicular weapons, they're the least impersonal and the most similar to the knight in armour, which is the most romanticised of the "old" military.
comparing a finished TV series plus OVAs to a TV series that's not even halfway done
Nigga what are you doing.
They are both shit
the most similar to the knight in armour,
What the fuck, no.
The knight motif belongs to the fighter pilots, tanks crews are dirty unwashed groundpounders.
no one else is memorable.
They're memorable enough. The only real issue is that there hasn't been quite enough focus on each character in turn to really stick for most people.
Also I cant remember any of their names beside Mocha-chan and the ships since the captain seems to say it every other word.
So? I don't have the names of the entire cast of Girls und Panzer memorised; doesn't make the characters or the show bad.
Haifuri is a failure. Premise is stupid, the action is stupid,
Stupid, but in an entertaining way.
and I still cant tell if its supposed to be a comedy or serious.
A show can be both, you know.
Must be feel so good for being able to selfie in the jet fighter cockpit
Even then, fighters rarely get close enough to even see the pilot anymore. Honor has no place on the battlefield these days.
Honor never had a place on the battlefield.
Notice how its only the losers who still give a shit about muh honor, like the Japanese, or the Germans.
Ships > Tanks
Ask the Nazis at Salerno
Bf-109 pilot escorts B-17 crew back home
All these shit fighters. Bow before the true queen of the skies.
Dude you into some kinky shit.
That was rare though
I had a friend like this. "Muh warfare is about honour" "Fighting is between two people who are proving that they are more right" This whole argument started when a group of ours discussed Fury. He was upset that they forced that american kid to kill that soldier after failing to gun down some soldiers. "If another man surrenders, you should just let him go" "If he needs to die, I won't kill an unarmed man."
what if he comes back with reinforcements and comes to kill us because you let him go away free
"well that shows that I'm the better man." "I would rather let myself die then kill someone unjustly"
That sure doesn't look like a MIRV ;^)
"If another man surrenders, you should just let him go"
No, you take him prisoner. Just how stupid are these people?
Fuck you. The F-14 tomcat was and is gorgeous. That shit you're posting is more like a fucking albatross in mannerisms and grace in fucking comparison.
Another classic. Can still run fucking circles around anything we currently have and it's been decomissioned for a good while, too.
I still love the story of when one crew did a "speed check" with ground control, just to shut up a smug FA-18 pilot that was trying to show off to a poor guy in a cessna.
Tanks because best girl and freedom
I think the glorification of "battle" from video games twists the view on what war is. There is no Honor or Justice, only men doing dirty deeds to protect their sense of good.
Any love for the eastern european ladies?
Can still run fucking circles around anything we currently have and it's been decomissioned for a good while, too
le foxbat face
hating on the based valkyrie
Upotte is and was awful.
GSC is far better in regards to firearm porn.
tfw my country fell for the F-16 meme
There is a difference between "war" and WAR.
A Gentleman's war, is when both participants know they are in the shit because of the asshats upstairs having snits, and so they will play with "rules" in mind - this is why shoguns and their armies barely fought - they played Chicken with arrows where, if the one commander shot arrow that was was not fully aimed directly at the opposing commander, but near his feet or sides, and they flinched, they would back off.
WAR is when you have things like Vaitnam, or any real action where people believe the shit they are fighting for, and they will use ANYTHING to either halt or destroy their enemies, even going as far in some cases to violate the geneva conventions.
Speaking of which:L the Geneva conventions were made to at least try to keep people form turning into complete monsters during WAR, even if they can't fully get the point of "war" across.
but yes: because of the Geneva conventions at least, prisoners and injured are supposed to be treated humanly, and even that sometimes doesn't happen...
desu I love all planes equally, and the F-16 is a very capable airframe, if getting a bit long in the tooth.
Technically America didn't violate the Geneva Conventions because it's not a signatory country.
SR-71 could easily outrun the Foxbat. A souped up Foxbat can get close but it will wreck the engines. Now while it is true the Foxbat's missiles are faster than the SR-71, the SR-71 can see those missiles coming. If you see a missile coming at Mach 3 a slight change in your flight path will put you out of the missiles range. Combine this with a hefty ECM suite and Foxbat-chan (AS well as her younger, slower sister Foxhound) would be hard pressed to shoot a Blackbird down without extensive support from the ground.
being a nation that gives itself handicaps
Oh, look, they practically merged an F-14 and an F-15. How cute. Has it been proven to get up to Mach 7? No? Then it isnt' as fast as an SR-71.
The concept is nice, but goddamn, they could have designed it to not look like a gawky kid wearing and oversized cloak.
Plus, with those wingtips going down, they have to have large landing gear. IF they had put smaller winglets going both up and down, they could have lost a LOT of that gawkish feel to the craft.
Those wingtips moved.
designing with form over function
Wow, you'd have been a real success in aerospace.
Sadly, the problems with the F-16s are directly linked to those of the B-1 - the surface-hugging software was wonky at best, and when they had to stop ripping them out of the birds, they lost their "special touch". They opted to just refurb the F-15 to the C, D and E upgrade kits, as it was more cost effective,
So basically, they took a sportscar and turned it into a fiat panda, and sold them overseas to Japan for manufacturers' cost, and even Japan dumped them after a while.
If you reread what I said: the Geneva conventions are an attempt to make WAR more like "War". I never said who signed them or didn't. It was examples of left, right and somewhere in the middle.
So basically, they took a sportscar and turned it into a fiat panda, and sold them overseas to Japan for manufacturers' cost, and even Japan dumped them after a while
You know, you shouldn't talk out of your ass so much.
torikaji motherfucking ippai
Because muh Kruppsteel couldn't possibly be bad
SR-71 couldn't do Mach 7. It peaked out at Mach 3.something with that something somewhere around 5 or 6 at the most.
Dude. I saw the reports form Air force magazines on what they were doing to such a solid bird - it was one of my top five planes when growing up in the eighties (the others, in order are: sr-71, f-14, f-15, f-16 and I always had a place in my heart for the B-17, for some reason.
They fucking crippled those planes badly when they said "let's remove the shit that makes this a great plane and make it one that is just okay" True, the panda reference might be off, but sentimentally, it was like watching someone take a 1971 chevy malibu chevelle and dump a inline-4 into it instead of a 350 V8.
Shit. Meant the six (they could reach it for short bursts) I missed that typo. Sorry about that. I knew cruising was about 3-3.5 once they got up to the upper atmosphere, but in order to break past earth's gravity, they do need to punch it past 4, and sometimes 5, depending on where they were in relation to certain conditions.
Dude, first of all, the Japs never adopted the F-16.
The F-2 is an entirely different aircraft based off of the F-16, but built with a lot of the most cutting edge tech of the time, such as AESA.
Secondly, the subequent Viper upgrade blocks have made it a much more FUNCTIONAL aircraft capable of doing everything from CAS to air superiority.
A combination of factors.
First part is that it's wide demographic. It has a full-girl cast for otakus, but also features strong military tank action that normal people can enjoy(plus military otaku). All in the format of an inspirational underdog sports competition story which is understood near globally. Child-friendly to boot. It is a show you can introduce to normalfag friends and have them enjoy it.
Second, it was actually done well. All the characters were distinct, memorable, and relatable in a cast with dozens of characters. Including all the enemy teams. The pacing was superb despite having to do a recap episode in the middle of the season. There were no glaring plot holes, no annoyances, and the action in each battle was fresh and unique from each battle previous. It began with a unique premise and hook, each battle was a well-contained arc, and it ended beautifully with Miho's character developed and resolved.
Third, marketing and support. A little marketing goes a long way, but when they realized they had a hit, they went all-in. Side material galore, merchandise, tourism in the actual Ooarai, and finally the hit movie. They're milking the cash cow and treating it well.
Considering other anime original works that have been extremely successful, GuP's hype may go on for quite sometime if they don't bungle it up somewhere.
By 5 or 6 I meant Mach 3.5 or 3.6. It's not built to go any faster. The engines and airframe wouldn't be able to handle it. Nor could it go much higher than the publicly stated 89,000 feet. It doesn't have any reaction control thrusts and the air would be too thin for the control surfaces to work. Blackbird couldn't even come close to the speeds needed breaking free of earth's gravity. And even if it did it wouldn't have any way to control its flight.
In order to break earth's gravity you need a constant acceleration of at least 10m/s squared
maybe you should read some articles on it published after the Reagan era, then you wouldn't spew some of that high grade bullshit.
All I know is that Strike Witches has the best girls.
I disagree strongly.
This badboy is getting a son. Hopefully he will live up to the precedent that his father has set, even though he went with the "hip trend" to be a drone.
he disagrees without telling where his best girls are
Don't be like that.
SHIT TASTES ALERT
Anyone has the Sora no Woto trivia pic? please
It is a show you can introduce to normalfag friends and have them enjoy it.
I showed it to a mixed group and the girls shouted so much about the Garupans' skirts being "slutty" that we couldn't continue. Sad times really
Doesn't matter, since Strike Witches is over, and Brave Witches are shit.
You just know girls who say things like that are the real sluts.
I certainly can't rule that out, although I hate to call people sluts
Though to be fair the first episode of Garupan was kinda slow going. I liked it because I'm a fucking weeb, but it's probably not for everyone.
I swear it's cause Scamco has managed to find some sort of mythical combination of moe girls that are also gar and do both cute and cool things marrying the best of both the action oriented and SoL fan mindset. Also a keen eye for character design. They also seem to have a keen eye for getting every last yen out of an IP through careful several step planning, marketing and horizontal integration through their assets which include everything but a publishing wing.
Not him but Aniplex originals have a bad habit of taking themselves way to goddamn seriously and like they're delivering the next great masterpiece when it's pretty unwarranted. They also love to plan the victory parade long before all the dies are cast like with say Aldnoah.Zero which at one point was going to supersede Gundam and had a bunch of model kits and merchandise planned that as far as I know never went into production.
Except I'm pretty sure it is halfway done
You're still comapring a finished product plus extras to a series still airing, without any OVA's to add in shit after.
It's panzer you dingus!
Well, to a certain extent you do have to put the work in if you want to make something good.
Do I look like some shiteating kraut to you?
he doesn't like bulbous heads
Ships OP and ED is superior to Tanks OP and ED
I JUST FEEL MY WIND
I'm a tank anom myself...but I'm going to have to go with ships because on AoBS
Yeah, you heard me, its worse.
HaiFuri's OP never fails to get me pumped up, but GuP's OP is just obnoxious, and I skip it every time, and I usually never skip OP's.
GuP's ED is a bit better since it at least has the unique sequences every episode, but musically its meh.
Nah man, there's gonna be an S3
Some people NEVER learn
I don't know anything about tanks
All you have to know is German tanks are overrated, American tanks are underrated, and Soviet tanks will get you killed.
No one remembers the British tanks.
I'm sorry, but Haifuri's OP is way too dramatic for its kind of show. I always lose it at the way Minami puts on her jacket. It's worse if you know what the lyrics mean and how they imply death and stuff.
Yeah, but GuP's OP is just too fucking annoying, and the visual sequence is completely uninspired.
Haifuri feels like it has a bit more effort put into it.
which was actually done RIGHT
which was actually done RIGHT
cast with dozens of characters. Including all the enemy teams
which was actually done RIGHT
Are you starting to perceive a pattern here, user?
being a literal homosexual
musically its meh.
ENTER ENTER MISSION is fucking fantastic, wanker.
I see /ak/ has finally stopped wanking each other over and blogging about videogames and noticed this thread is up.
user compared them with Dragoons in another thread - (armoured) cavalry that is used to fight as infantry.
Not quite exact, but it's how it worked out.
All the antagonists are pretty fucking awesome. The America chick, the Russian chicks, and especially the German chicks.
Its mediocre J-pop, you hear the same shit in every anime.
ITT: lots of shit planes.
Shit taste confirmed
No. No it's not.
I listen to a lot of anime music and Garupan stands the test of repeated listening better than most.
Your statement reeks of Blanket Dismissal Syndrome wherein the necessary effort required of critical analysis is short circuited by emotionally driven cognitive disengagement.
The key phrase in your post:
you hear the same shit in every anime
is a dead giveaway of Blanket Dismissal Syndrome.
I've listened to a lot of anime music too, whats your point?
Maybe you just have lower standards, or different tastes, and that's fine, but I personally really fucking dislike GuP's music, and I find it painfully generic.
While I love GuP the speed at which that tiger's turret traverses is horrifyingly wrong. I realize that I shouldn't expect accuracy from anime but the nips could at least do a simple google search.
Is all the purple on Pravda deck space or what?
But in saying that it reaffirms the point that you are no longer able to distinguish the qualities that make it stand out in its genre.
The problem isn't in the song list for this particular anime; you're just tired of the genre itself.
I've listened to a lot of anime music too,
At least 10, right?
Holy shit, its just a mediocre anime OP, stop treating it like its Stravinsky or Huey Lewis and The News.
For your information, I happen to like a lot of J-pop, particularly Chisato Moritaka, Toshiki Kadomatsu, Fire Bomber, Yasuko Agawa, amongst others.
Are you in the right thread?
user, just acept that you've got shit taste and stop trying to force it upon others.
the "pretending to be retarded" excuse.
he says while upholding ENTER ENTER MISSION as an example of "great" anime music
go back to your /ak/ hugbox.
You probably had to google all of those.
You seem to lack an argument beyond "y-you just have shit taste!"
You're making TWO mistakes in a single post, user.
First, you're mistaking that "it's not the same not to know about some factoid when writting a story, than knowing it, yet willfully ignoring it because of actual plot reasons" is an, I quote, "excuse". That clearly marks your knowledge of literature and writting as insuficient. Let's just say that it's a perfectly valid literary technique that dates all the way back to Homer and leave it at that.
Second, you are mistaking the user you're quoting in the later part of your post with the user you were arguing with before. As if it was inconceivable that two persons could be having a different opinion than you. The post beneath you is either the proof that you're wrong, or that you're a samefag. I won either way.
Is English your second language?
Your writing style seems very stiff and unnatural, like you're trying way too hard to sound educated and "cultured".
Except that GuP ED > Haifuri ED. You can say whatever you like about OP, but you're a faggot if thinking Haifuri ED is superior compared to GuP ED