Nazi is a dead meme pt.2

And fuck this "new flag"/"moving to Europe crap!!
Last night we had a decent discussion about a new identity, based on American core values to attract people to our movement.
>>few themes discussed/shared last night.
>>Almost all our founding fathers/revolutionary war heroes came from the Winthrop fleet in early 1630's. They were selective in immigration - basing it on cultural, not necessarily national, lines.

Vid related
sys.Sup Forums.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dc7YzrbeLbJE

All of them were protestants, with strong values, and were capitalists.
Shared memetic ideas:
AMERICAN EXCEPTIONSLISM
MANIFEST DESTINY
THE COLONIES
THOMAS JEFFERSON DID NOTHING WRONG
SUPERPOWER
A REPUBLIC, NOT AN EMPIRE
ANDREW JACKSON DID NOTHING WRONG

Discussions on economics:
Pure capitalism vs., shared >>The United States had a neo-mercantilist economic system called the American or National school of economics from the Founding until 1913 with elements of it remaining until Bretton Woods II.

about race:
>> How will Economic Nationalism help whites push back against increasing affirmative action in schools and jobs, if you don't teach white identity? You have to teach about race differences in intelligence.

Question of memetic good
>> The problem with America is it isn't a real nation, it's an artificial idealistic construct.It's not the first meme country built by radicals, though it happens to be an especially successful one

Arguments on American Nazism:
>> Yeah, your new name and symbols won't matter, if you oppose globalism and Jewry and agitate for white interests you're going to be called a Nazi, so you can either embrace it or waste your time uselessly protesting that you're not a Nazi

And Balkanization:
Culture is a racial ethno-linguistic product alone. That's about it. One way to deal with it: In Europe DNA based citizenship within the subracial group only; in USA - Balkanization.


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Yes goy, get rid of the 88, we can't be anti-semites and scare our Jewish brothers

Hitler was a fucking genius who created the greatest society in the world. He priortized HIS NATION'S PEOPLE first. That's more than we could ever ask for in a leader. We need to learn from his good ideas, not just throw it all away. He was right about the Jew subversion, the marxist subversion, the crumbling of White civilization. We need to listen.

He killed himself. Enough said.

I don't know what your problem is, Nazi Larper, but your copy pasta was boring last night and it probably will be again tonight.
This is about taking America back from degeneracy, not LARPing some failed 20th century demagogue.

There is no 88 & there never was.
We won't roll in the mud with the failed Eurotrash we left behind.

whoever made that image didn't know what they were doing. the modern red ensign with the current 1801 union flag in the corner came after the US independence. in reality those two flags in your pic would have nothing to do with each other. pic related is the correct red ensign in relation to the USA.

Just an image... explain yours? Seriously. Interested.

>new flag
fuck new flags

or if you wish to be even more traditional...

The South can never rise again under that flag - too much negative history.
Care to elaborate on the second?

yeah i know it was just a stock image, it just triggered my autism anyways. the first 'union jack' like the one in the corner of my pic is the first union flag representing the legislative union of scotland and england in 1707. the naval jack, the red ensign, was flown by the british navy as well as civilian and merchant ships from then onwards and used as a flag for overseas territories like the thirteen colonies. by the time the Revolution started the red ensign was defaced by sewing white stripes onto the red field representing the colonies by the revolutionaries. so pic related is technically America's first flag. that's why getting the 1707 red ensign right is important and not using the 1801.

It's clear you're a newfag who doesn't care about the true movement. Sup Forums was is and always will be NatSoc and Hitler first. Fuck your civnat shit.

Appreciate the info. How do you see the Anglo vs post revolutionary identity fitting in with our movement? How important do you see how these identities/features in helping reduce American degeneracy and galvanize the right?

Dude, I get pol. I've been here for awhile. I'm trying to galvanize the right, show that you cannot achieve yours goals by LARPing a dead man's army.
Our constitution can be used for our ends, the law supports it. Control the country, control our destiny (and our kids, for f'sake... grow up)

1) it's not negative history, it's propaganda
2)
>As the colonial forces took on a national aspect it became necessary to provide a national flag for them. Out of this situation came the Grand Union or Cambridge Flag with its field of thirteen alternate red and white stripes, which symbolized the union of the 13 colonies, and the King’s Colors in canton. While the banner was only half America, it expressed the thought of the times and the political situation in the colonies, which at that time still acknowledged their allegiance to Great Britain. The colonists wanted only justice and their rights as Englishmen. They were united in their determination to secure them and to fight for them if necessary. The Grand Union Flag was raised at Cambridge, January 2, 1776, by General Washington, and given a salute of 13 guns. The occasion marked the beginning of our National existence. It continued to be the flag of the Revolution until the adoption of the Stars and Stripes by an Act of the Continental Congress, June 14, 1777, the birthday of the American Flag.

True America is a British America. Any immigrant who claims otherwise is disavowing his ancestors who agreed to become Americans(who originated in the UK) upon moving here. We have a unique culture, but it is indeed a culture we inherited from Britain.

I may not be willing to do a damn thing she commands me to do in any sense, but God save the Queen(and may she assassinate Harry the racemixer as she did Diana the racemixer).

also what he said
I just have that Grand Union flag saved. I should fix it before I forget it's wrong again.

What you posted before is actually the East India Company flag. They'd nearly be the same flag if the union jack wasn't different.

Interesting. And yes, I agree, the US was founded as an Anglo saxon nation. However, does that serve our cause to identify as royalists?? I can't stand the freaking tea party b's, but america has a rich history of rule of law (..thanks to wasps again)

Close, but not there. The EIC flag has 9 stripes, not 13.

>does that serve our cause to identify as royalists??
I'm not a royalist, nor a loyalist. Hence my saying I wouldn't do a damn thing if the queen told me to do something.
I'm merely saying we need to recognize our history and the founding culture of our nation. We may not be PVRE BLOOD Anglos like some people would want, but we are indeed very very British, going by genetic data.

>I can't stand the freaking tea party b's
well yeah, they're losers who are willing to go back to 1776 for an identity, but not further, which logically makes no sense. Plus they never really got anything done.

>but america has a rich history of rule of law (..thanks to wasps again)
I wouldn't necessarily say it's because of WASPs(an ethnic epithet meant to deride upper class New England Anglos), but more so due to the fact that most Americans have a natural Anglo Saxon character to them. It's rather telling that you can pretty much replace "Saxon" in this poem with "American" and it wouldn't be very outlandish.

cont because muh character limit.

>"My son," said the Norman Baron, "I am dying, and you will be heir
To all the broad acres in England that William gave me for share
When he conquered the Saxon at Hastings, and a nice little handful it is.
But before you go over to rule it I want you to understand this:–

>"The Saxon is not like us Normans. His manners are not so polite.
But he never means anything serious till he talks about justice and right.
When he stands like an ox in the furrow – with his sullen set eyes on your own,
And grumbles, 'This isn't fair dealing,' my son, leave the Saxon alone.

>"You can horsewhip your Gascony archers, or torture your Picardy spears;
But don't try that game on the Saxon; you'll have the whole brood round your ears.
From the richest old Thane in the county to the poorest chained serf in the field,
They'll be at you and on you like hornets, and, if you are wise, you will yield.

>"But first you must master their language, their dialect, proverbs and songs.
Don't trust any clerk to interpret when they come with the tale of their wrongs.
Let them know that you know what they're saying; let them feel that you know what to say.
Yes, even when you want to go hunting, hear 'em out if it takes you all day.

>They'll drink every hour of the daylight and poach every hour of the dark.
It's the sport not the rabbits they're after (we've plenty of game in the park).
Don't hang them or cut off their fingers. That's wasteful as well as unkind,
For a hard-bitten, South-country poacher makes the best man- at-arms you can find.

>"Appear with your wife and the children at their weddings and funerals and feasts.
Be polite but not friendly to Bishops; be good to all poor parish priests.
Say 'we,' 'us' and 'ours' when you're talking, instead of 'you fellows' and 'I.'
Don't ride over seeds; keep your temper; and never you tell 'em a lie!"

Forgot to mention. Yes, i understand how propaganda has eclipse the real story. Unfortunately it's like kiddie porn to a lot of Americans. The problem the right has, and why we can't find fight degeneracy is that we're fractured. And honestly, the kkk/Nazi shit is killing us.

First. That was awesome. Where's it from? Kipling?

And again, I agree. Anglo saxon is the heritage of our culture - going back to developing rule of law for an individuals right to speak/represent themselves - (aka, the ting) instead of blood feuds. And, as im sure you know, the gold ole forrest laws..

Republic not Empire. That brings some other core values to mind. The Empire results from the US never satisfied demand for resources and energy. End the War is great until gas prices go up, then we forget our principles. People want cell phones with rare earth screens. And credit.
I remember frugality and ingenuity, staying out of debt, individual achievement.
Battery, good night.

Nice digits. Agree and too bad about battery. Good analysis - I believe that to rid the US of this degeneracy we see, people need to be taught and embrace correlative rights/responsibilities.

>honestly, the kkk/Nazi shit is killing us.
Well, if your plan is to be a good goy for the kike media, yes it's indeed ripping us to shreds, but the main thing is most of us(at least I think most of us) on the dissident right are thinking is that we need to desensitize the average burgerstani to the screeches, moans, and groans of the (((chosenite))) media, not mold our message around what they want to limit us to.

If we did what they found acceptable, we'd be as cucked as Jeb!
I doubt you want that.

>First. That was awesome. Where's it from? Kipling?
Indeed. Kipling, being an Anglo submersed in south Asian culture, knew exactly what it was that made the man.
xkiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_normansaxon.htm

>Anglo saxon is the heritage of our culture - going back to developing rule of law for an individuals right to speak/represent themselves - (aka, the ting) instead of blood feuds. And, as im sure you know, the gold ole forrest laws..
It doesn't even stop there. Our(not the elites') attitudes toward religion stem directly from those of British colonials. Reminder we descend from the same people who at one time, back prior to the protestant reformation, were considered the most Catholic people in Europe. I believe both Britain and Ireland were the most fervently Catholic nations prior to the reformation, but I could be mistaken.

Hell, a very basic distinction, but important nevertheless, would be that the southern accent specifically originated on the borders of Scotland and England, along with Dumfries and Galloway.

Aside from that, culture is extremely deep. It's not as shallow as oktoberfest or St Paddy's day. Pic related. The iceberg theory of culture is very relevant to America.

>How do you see the Anglo vs post revolutionary identity fitting in with our movement?
i think they're both equally integral since British Americans are still the largest european ancestral group in the US and Anglo philosophy, tradition, customs, religion and law form the foundation of the country and ultimately post revolutionary identity itself. non-Anglo assimilation is possible as long as there's tacit acknowledgement and appreciation of the Anglo-ness in post revolutionary identity.
>How important do you see how these identities/features in helping reduce American degeneracy and galvanize the right?
somewhat important. it would go a longer way to galvanizing the right. as for degeneracy, identity or lack of identity i don't see them as direct results of one another rather symptoms of something larger.

>the southern accent specifically originated on the borders of Scotland and England, along with Dumfries and Galloway.
When I say "the southern accent" I mean the one derived from the Scotch Irish(who were very influential culturally for some reason, even though they're not that hefty population-wise), not the one of the non-rhotic southerners of the deep south. ex: Jerry Reid

I apologize if any of this is incoherent. I am currently drunk at the moment. :)

I understand the overton window, and im not looking to change pol - only find new memetics for fighting the commies.
As for the catholic church- I believe there was a lot of resentment (due to "royal nature/spanish influence). However, as to be "good Catholics, compared to the Spanish inquisition, well...
As for the accent - you're 100% right. Have you ever heard of a place called rising sun Maryland? Weirdest rural scotch/English accent.
Question is, though, how do we get America to reconnect to the saxon ideals? What imagery, language, and methods can we use to "reclaim" America?

Hey, your drunk history is better than most stone cold sober Berkeley professor's version...

The Anglo-ness of America is something that is coming up in these threads a lot. I think we are innately drawn to this question, and a desire to have a normal neighborhood again... and decent opportunities, as well as the understanding of how our rights have attendant responsibilities both to our nation and communities.
I'll ask you the same as the other guy - what language, imagery, and tactics can we use for memetics? And do you think the Anglo aspect will output or resonate?

*sorry. autocorrect. "Offput" not "output"

>As for the catholic church- I believe there was a lot of resentment (due to "royal nature/spanish influence). However, as to be "good Catholics, compared to the Spanish inquisition, well...
I wasn't necessarily saying we're genetically hardwired to be good papists, but moreso that, at the time prior to the reformation, we were considered the most Catholic, and thusly the most CHRISTIAN(praise him), people out of all of Europe. That definitely correlates to a rather over represented "highly religious" faction in many Anglosphere countries, such as America and Australia. I'm not sure about the others. I don't know the religous landscape of Canada that well and I know Britain is currently reaching an all-time high of irreligiosity.

As for catholic resentment, I'd say that's mostly because papists(at least those back when the micks and wops were immigrating, reminder the pope was literal messiah on earth prior to 1870)aren't nationalist/patriotic, and most Americans(read: all of them sans commies) had been thoroughly patriotized by the time those non-British immigrants flooded in here.

>Have you ever heard of a place called rising sun Maryland? Weirdest rural scotch/English accent.
Never. I imagine it's very un-celtic(celtic accents are marked with very hard R's, very rhotic), Maryland being a former catholic haven in the colonial days.
Though I could be mistaken.

I always liked the tidewater accent. Some people don't like it because it sounds like a mutt of American, Irish, American, and British, but I like it.

>Question is, though, how do we get America to reconnect to the saxon ideals? What imagery, language, and methods can we use to "reclaim" America?
The saxon ideals lie in the most basic of our cultural elements. i.e. the Pacos Bill\s, the Davy Crocketts, the Johnny Appleseeds, but the important point is that we need to maintain that culture. We need to maintain our children being American. The public school system workes tirelessly to un-Americanize our children into becoming good little cultural marxists where everyone is equal and fucking subhumans from the Congo are "just as American" as some old man from Killarney or some old woman from Nottingham.

Our children are innately born with the skills to be American. The things we need to do are 1) nurture the education on their history and 2) keep people away who want to make them into deracinated faglords.

We are born American. We cannot change that.

When the first British came, there were no catholics among them. They were escaping the church of england they felt was still too "papist". America was envisioned as a protestant country (this is why we brought in getman/scandanavian types for taming the land, as well as irish/scottish, until the early 1900s).
And the fear of Catholics came from the fear that they were under the sway of the papacy - or less patriotic, more swayed by the pope than president.

I'm going to do this thread a few more times, see how this Anglo saxon ideology can be shaped into positive messaging and not viewed as "muh, racist". I think it has something to do with rights/responsibilities, like you've heard me say... I don't know, open to ideas.

I like your answer, and agree it starts with the kids, getting back to a "bicentennial-like" education (more civics, joy in national identity). However, we have an entire generation of milenials that need reeducation, if not downright history lessons. This is why symbolism matters - bite size chunks for msm zombies.
And to your point about born unique- I'd call that American exceptionalism- the other recurring theme. If we had a real meritocracy again, other truths would become more obvious. All we have to do is convince people to vote away affirmative action. This is why I say we need a new identity - for political positioning. Our system can give us whatever we want, if we work it with legislation/elections.

>what language, imagery, and tactics can we use for memetics?
American history has a wealth of flags, symbols, folklore, music and people to draw upon as ideals. history is one thing the right needs to retake. social sciences have been neglected for decades and replaced by politics and activism masquerading as history and civics.
>And do you think the Anglo aspect will output or resonate?
it can resonate if presented as an ideal, moreover an attainable one as an American.

>I'm going to do this thread a few more times, see how this Anglo saxon ideology can be shaped into positive messaging and not viewed as "muh, racist".
well the media pretty much paints all White racial solidarity movements as "muh racist" so i'm unsure as to how you're going to have a "Whites only, fuck niggers" movement without being called racist.

>I think it has something to do with rights/responsibilities, like you've heard me say... I don't know, open to ideas.
There have been a few guys spreading some info on the "Prussian schooling" thing on Sup Forums recently, which is absolutely subbversive if I do say so myself, but regarding that I would suggest first starting at most basic of distinctions between a German and an Anglo, politically speaking. In the 18th century, what separated the Englishman from the German? What commonalities did they share? What had developed in Britain that hadn't developed on the continent(the rights of Englishmen founded in the Magna Carta, for one)? What had the English picked up from the Celts?

There are a lot of distinguishing factors that separate Brits from other europeans, and I'm sure quite a lot of those can be found in certain phenomena acting as undercurrents in the 17th, 18th, and early 19th centuries when America was still being colonized by Britain(though not nearly as influential in the 19th because we'd already won the revolution).

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>American history has a wealth of flags, symbols, folklore, music and people to draw upon as ideals. history is one thing the right needs to retake.
I wholeheartedly agree. Though I don't agree that British history should stop being considered American history just because it occurred prior to 1776. A lot of "1776 will commence again" Americans think we have no history prior to the revolution, which is stupid, because we have history on THIS CONTINENT for almost 2 fucking centuries prior to the revolution. I mean for God's sake Virginia was founded in 1607. That's 171 years before the revolution.

>it can resonate if presented as an ideal, moreover an attainable one as an American.
I agree. It should be presented as an ideal of assimilation. Had the British culture in America been as weak as it is now when the Germans and Scandinavians came over to settle the frontier, we'd probably be speaking some form of low German right now. A fucking disgrace.

An ideal of assimilation, the American way, peak burger, etc. It can be called many different things, but essentially it boils down to simple enough terms that can be put into some kind of overly patriotic Toby Keith song.

I like approaching it as an "ideal" instead of a race-based Anglo saxon thing - more approachable. Also, your postmodern approach with story telling/music. I'm going to think on that one..
Getting late, but will do this thread again. Thanks for your input.

May I suggest you read Albion's Seed. It may be helpful in your venture of searching for an America that is implicitly Angio, one founded in Anglo Saxon culture.

No argument here about our brittish/saxon roots. I've spent a lot time recently researching the isles, and trying to understand those germanic distinctions...
I think we agree that we need to focus on an ideal - an Anglo saxon ideology, with the idea of assimilation (and immigrant control...)
Getting tired, time to crash, but I'll fire up this discussion again.
And than you for the book referrals!

>THOMAS JEFFERSON DID NOTHING WRONG
Jefferson was a cunt and the founding fathers began to dislike his rabid anglophobia. Little faggot cried about everything he could, even it looked hypocritical or petty. Franklin was the best founding father.

>SUPERPOWER
>A REPUBLIC, NOT AN EMPIRE
Ironic. A superpower isn't necessarily an empire, but it's still akin to one. Both national statuses are to do with exerting power over foreign nations.

>Look on wikipedia about it
>He distinguishes Wales from England

Wales was part of England, and there was little difference between a Welsh person in England and an English person in Wales. Do Yankees know nothing about 18th century Britain?

Brits are, racially, less Germanic and more Celtic.

Culturally, we are our own. It's probably island mentality. Or it could be down to our island being pretty multiethnic (Kings were Norman, some Lords were Anglo or Celtic, Peasants were Anglo and Celtic, etc.) which led to constant tensions and fights (no loyalty between foreign races)between the people, in order for different social standings to be given rights, for example the peasants revolt was a revolution of Anglos and Celts against the Norman elite.

Shit poem historically.

>Speak their language
>Normans refused to speak English and instead only spoke French and Latin

The American flag was just another British rip-off. We took it's design off their East India Company flag and just added thirteen 13 stars in a circle. America is an empire, benevolent but in decline and you trumptards have just hastened our impeding demise, and now our power is a vacuum where Russians paws and rat-chink claws are rearing in the dark... yet you nationalist and isolationist scum call yourselves the real Americans.

Can we just have capatilism without jews and non whites and a cool looking british inspired flag pls

Fuck off kiked Alaska you CIA nigger. The moment you bring up white nationalism in a public platform you WILL be labeled a nazi and the people you are trying to "recruit" will be turned off if they are turned off by the idea of nazism.

The goal is to make nazism more appealing, not demonize it further.

The US empire is not imperial in the traditional sense. We don't conquer through military conquest, we usurp and assimilate through globalism and Americanization. Our culture and influence is our REAL power...while our superpower status is only there to secure it from foreign threats to national interest. No worries though, we shall fall under the weight of Drumpfs incompetence eventually...that is to say we don't rid him of office before the damage is done.

Can all Authoritarian Loving trumptards just move to Russia already?

Look at at this fucken shill. Fuck off our board already you insincere cunt, we will never follow your kosher (((movement))).

Sussex origins here.

Agreed