I am blown away by this anime. When my husband told me about the concept, I was skeptical to say the least. What? Mages that pair themselves with famous heroes from the past in order to pursue the holy grail? Excuse me?
But, what I got in this anime was an extraordinarily complex look at the conflict in the human condition. It is a philosophical exploration of age-old questions regarding leadership, servanthood, love, evil, and the salvation of humanity. The action is fantastic and enhances, rather than detracts, from the story and character development. The animation is superb and the use of CG effects is tastefully done and combines itself delicately with the animation. The music was BEAUTIFUL and I can't WAIT to get the soundtrack at my next opportunity. The openings and endings were gorgeous and memorable (I frequently get them stuck in my head).
Though there were so many characters present in this show, I very easily grew extremely attached to all of them. There are deaths in this show and each one hit me hard (either in the emotionally vulnerably spots or in the mental pondering). In my opinion, this story is really about two opposing characters when you boil it down to its essence: Emiya Kiritsugu and Kotomine Kirei.
This beats Fate/Stay Night by a long shot as well even though I have personally never experienced the original source material.
>the use of CG effects is tastefully done Not even MAL would say that.
Joshua Ramirez
MAL reviews are funny
Wyatt Carter
It's funny how it's 2016 and people still need to remind Sup Forums that Zero is a shit ton better than the VN.
Jacob Lopez
I remember a friend once told me that this show was a work of merit silent, do not realize how good it is until you compare it with other works of the same genre
Carson Ward
>my husband told me about F/Z
Holy damm girl, your husband is cheating in you. Fucking cuck.
Gavin Jackson
There was a time. When men were men. They were screaming like crazy speeches, faced the impossible, and said things that made no sense, but that even so we did say "EPIC". There was a time. A time of captains Harlock, a master time Asia, a time of Domons. Logic was not important. The strategy was not important. If you believe in the impossible, impossible would be nothing in front of you.
The time is gone A wave of animes that have to be "realistic", "philosophical", "adults" around us. Are good? Are. Meet your purpose? Meet. However, however ... I miss something. Characters idiots who laugh in the face of death, and not to be shaken by anything. Characters that I remember that, in essence, in the beginning, were not meant to be realistic. No wonder that I am addicted to shonens: manga as One Piece, Fairy Tail remind me that there are heroes who still believe that boundaries are bullshit, and that men should talk about crazy dreams with a smile on his face.
Few original anime (non-manga based) can pass this spirit, and if I had to indicate a Studio to produce an epic-without-notion, "Gainax" probably would not be the first on my list. But they did so. Oh, how did. Ladies and gentlemen, forgiveness for the lengthy introduction: Let's talk of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.
Many have already heard things about this series of 27 episodes. Effusive praise. Discouraging reviews. And you may already have heard the following phrase: "compliments to the Gurren Lagann are exaggerated" And let us be clear: Yes. ARE. But it could not be otherwise. Gurren Lagann anime is not the type that parses. Is the type of anime to which you manifested with exaggeration and passion. "Overkill" is the key word of the anime: everything is extremely Titanic, extreme, "over-the-top", "larger than life", etc.
Cooper Martinez
With certain exceptions (some Gundam, some Macross, tss), never been a fan of mecha anime. Would be far from the top of my list and, being this a recurrent genre in every new season animes, I believe my dismay is understandable: it is both anime mecha clamoring arrogantly that will "revolutionize the genre", "overcome Evangelion", "be the new Gundam" and other things that many simply die on the beach, lost in own mediocrity. Gurren Lagann will by reverse path: doesn't take itself seriously. Does not involve complex plots policies or attempts to "explore the essence of the human being". It's about guys inconsequential facing death in colorful fuses (and often ungainly) and BLOWING THINGS UP. Many things.
The series is a species of "giant parody mecha", a spoof so well done that took an undeniable brilliance. As the series develops, over the hump "70 years" (frantic action and episodic with colored robots), "80 years" (frantic action and sequential with specific enemies ... and colored robots!), "90 years" (frantic action with colorful robots ... in space!) and Century 21 (IE ... a tribute to the series, where the hype coming into the extreme). The series features a climate extremely pure (remember One Piece in this sense) that does not match the latest productions of Gainax (with the exception of perhaps Diebuster): in Gurren the Studio tries their best to tell a story extremely positive, bright, boiling the blood-is as an antithesis of Evangelion.
Jaxson Hill
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Dominic Sanders
Funnily enough this woman's/OP/whoever matches my feelings when I watched FZ for the first time
However I still like FSN and hope HF is nearly as good as FZ.
Lincoln Ward
Fate/Zero is literally just FSN with less emotionally stable MC and more mature setting. I wish Zero wouldn't attract casuals so bad.
Connor Evans
Uro>Nasu
Nolan Taylor
I dare you to name one thing more cancerous than a secondary.
Kayden Brooks
/u/ shitters.
Ethan Flores
MAL review thread?
Jordan Ross
Fujos?
Matthew Morgan
Someone who thinks the Fate VN is good
Ian Jones
People who actually read chuuni VN's with forces eroge scenes.
Carter Johnson
...
Nicholas Nguyen
Secondaries who think their opinion matters.
Cameron Turner
That would be all secondaries.
James Martin
Never watched/played a Fate anime/game. Where do i start? with Fate/Zero anime?
Jordan Peterson
Ask reddit.
William Brown
Carnival Phantasm and
Camden Watson
welp this was my first day on Sup Forums and it'll be my last. Thanks
Liam Taylor
>This beats Fate/Stay Night by a long shot That doesn't really say anything, now does it?
Angel Ross
I've read the VN already, you retarded shitters who think F/Z is bad just because it focuses on plot over characterization is deluded. It is purely subjective whether or not F/SN is better than F/Z.
Julian Allen
>It is purely subjective What you enjoy is always just that - subjective.
I found zero to be somewhat dull show that tried to be as edgy as it could.
Chase Lee
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
Sup Forums doesn't need MAL reviews to shit up the board.
Jaxson Gomez
Only thing Sup Forums needs is waifus and hentai.
Brody Adams
F/Z is no more edgier than F/SN.
Also do you really think a setting where half of the masters attend the same school is good writing? F/SN is largely the character development and exploration of Shirou and the main girl of the respective route. F/Z focuses on what a grail war would be in a hypothetical realistic situation.
Benjamin Hill
Why is it that a lot of butcherfags are grils? What makes his stuff so appealing to them?
Colton Sanders
>do you really think a setting where half of the masters attend the same school is good writing?
Considering the set up to the story? Yeah, it's fine.
The 5th War was not some grandiose thing that was planned out years in advance. It was the result of a fuck up of the 4th, which led to a speeding up of the events of the story.
The three families were ill prepared, and in fact, Zouken basically wanted to say "fuck that" to the whole process, and wait until the 6th, with only throwing a token to Shinji in two of the routes.
Anthony Kelly
>the setting somehow influences the writing >butcherwriting not pure edge.
Samuel White
UBW is shit because it was one route of a visual novel out of three, and Nasu's writing style is hugely reliant on expository/inner dialogue that doesn't translate well to screen at all. Tonally it's a real jolt coming off of Fate/Zero too.
Otherwise I'd kind of agree. Urobuchi manages to be pretty good when he wants to be and Fate/Zero is a modern classic.
Sebastian Garcia
This thread looks deportable.
Levi Rogers
I didn't compare the two in anyway but instead offered my opinion on zero
Mason Powell
>tried to be as edgy as it could
I'm not buying this one fucking bit. Sure Zero had its edge moments, but a lot of the time it actually managed to pull of dramatic moments without coming across as too melodramatic or forceful.
Leo Rodriguez
>UBW is shit because it was one route of a visual novel out of three
Which is not an issue. UBW didn't label itself as Fate/stay night. It labeled itself as Fate/stay night [Unlimited Blade Works].
It was not the VN as a whole, it was not a sequel to Fate/Zero, it was an adaptation of the route.
The only real problem here is that your expectations were different. You wanted Fate/One.
>Also do you really think a setting where half of the masters attend the same school is good writing Why is this always a grips for zerobabies? >how dare the characters go to school!
>hypothetical realistic situation. Not even close because the Grail War isn't a "war", it's a ritual. The only time the ritual is actually completed is in HF route, making it the only "realistic" "grail war", because the process leading up to the ritual is irrelevant.
Justin Watson
Sakura worms was in HF that was why it was even s thing in HF. The edgy cool kids means very little when compared to what happened to Ilya, both by Gil and the Einzberns. Also don't get me started on Shinji and Sakura in HF.
Most of F/SN setting was required to build up Shirou's character, henc ethe three routes complete each other. F/Z doesn't have that luxury but it was never aimed towards exploring a single character anyway. It was aimed towards a different view in mind; delving into the aspect of the Holy Grail War and not the aspect of a master/servant and their struggles.
John Perez
>zerobabies Nice ad hominem, anyone that thinks F/SN has poor writing in regards to the setting must be a secondary and hasn't rea dthe VN right? It's the single best writing out there so people must be secondaries if they disagree right? Fuck off retard.
>ritual I already explained why people would like F/Z over F/SN, the plot vs characterization aspect. If you can't wrap your head around the differences of both stories then there's no helping you fanboy.
Ian Garcia
Thank you for your bait here's your (you) .
Juan Gomez
I'd consider anyone who unironically thinks the setting has a direct impact on quality of writing to be a baby mentally, definitely.
Samuel Long
The point I'm making is that the fact that the war itself isn't some huge thing is established in the story. The 5th War is an unstable and rushed event as a result of screw ups during the 4th.
There's typically 60 or so years between wars. There was 10 between the 4th and 5th, and as such, it was a lot more improvisatory.
Jordan Bell
A primary?
Jason Young
>liking fate zero kek >edgefag could be bait, otherwise, this is not your personal blog.
David Phillips
No you're just one of those obsessed fatefags who think F/SN is the greatest thing ever. Fuyuki being as big as it is has half the participating masters in a school and most of them are all somehow connected to Shirou. Secondary or not that is plain silly. I also never attacked F/SN on its characterization but on the setting and why some may not like it because of it being pure plot convenience, easy writing per se, but keep fanboying I'm sure Nasu appreciates it.
>I found zero to be somewhat dull show that tried to be as edgy as it could Whoa there chump, if you are thinking about anime itself it was simply not true, brutalilty was toned down and censored besides, how it was more edgy than Heaven's Feel? More tragic, maybe. >butcherwriting not pure edge >muh edge meme I swear to god if Tsukihime or KnK were to be released today people like you would call it pure edgefest.
Zachary Martin
Yes I know which is why F/Z and F/SN can't really be compared because they are both stories about different things.
>s-secondary Yes I have but you will just keep crying secondary anyway since I'm not worshiping your favorite VN of all times. The fact that you think that easy writing of a setting to be good writing is the epitome of being a fanboy.
Sebastian Evans
Fuyuki might be big but the amount of people who have knowledge of magic are not.
Xavier Garcia
I think people need to understand the zeitgeist at which UBW was released in it.
Some people seem to think, for whatever reason, that the DEEN show "doesn't count". That it's just some non-factor. But it does matter.
It was released less than 10 years before UBW. Hell, there was a manga that ran until 2012, and that says nothing about the VN itself.
So there's like, at that point, three complete and thorough tellings of the Fate route. Some differences here and there, but all the major beats are secured. So when you watch UBW, you're expected to know this stuff.
It's like the latest Captain America movie. Spider-Man shows up. They don't really get into his origin though. Why? Cause everyone fucking knows it. Five movies since 2002. It's done. We get it. Spider bite and shit. Don't need to tell it again. Even tribals in Africa know it. Let's move on.
Daniel Foster
If a serious question, it's always play the VN, make sure it's not pure realta nua, but the version with the h-scenes.
Benjamin Nelson
>Which is not an issue
It plainly is when you have revelations and development missing from the Fate route which made certain elements of UBW so good in the game.
>You wanted Fate/One No I fucking didn't, I didn't want any adaptation at all thank you very much.
Evan Powell
If you had read it you would know that there is a good reason for the density of the masters and that it would make no sense otherwise.
Jayden Ross
No one denies that HF, KnK, and Tsukihime are edgy, but even all of them added up would not equal Just Ryuunosuke+Kerry's edge.
Jaxson Hall
See Fate's story had readily been told. There's nothing "missing". You can go play the game, watch the old anime, read the old manga. There are options. Don't just assume you're forced to live in some sort of Ufotable bubble.
>No I fucking didn't, I didn't want any adaptation at all thank you very much.
Well good for you? You got something extra that didn't hurt you at all.
Aiden Diaz
It's amazing that more people don't see the KnK OVAs for the clusterfuck they are. Nebulous themes, a mess of a storyline and underdeveloped characters. It only stands up (barely) if you've read the source material, which isn't a good thing for an adaptation.
Dominic Rivera
>it was not a sequel to Fate/Zero
Dominic Rivera
That's funny because you don't even have to read it to understand why there's so many masters congregated and even then it's not the only thing that makes sense it's just an easy explanation, if you read any of Nasu's work then you would actually realize Nasu always does this. It still doesn't make that good writing It's pure plot convenience so Nasu can condense the story and focus on Shirou and you know it.
Gabriel Wright
In the sense that it takes place after it, yeah, but FSN came first. It's its own thing.
Oliver Watson
It's exactly because i love fate/zero that i don't like secondaries. They can't come nearly as close to the appreciation i have for it because they didn't read the VN before watching it.
Easton Morales
Prostate cancer
Justin Morgan
>readily We're talking anime adaptations here. DEEN did a pretty okay job given they had to crowbar a bunch of other stuff into an already established plot, but it was nowhere near adequate.
>Don't just assume you're forced to live in some sort of Ufotable bubble If you really don't think Zero transitioning into Fate would have been a better move, especially considering Saber's prevalence and the wealth of development she goes through in that route (which goes a long way to explaining her mannerisms in UBW), then I don't know what to tell you. I'm talking about Ufotable. I don't care about DEEN, I don't care about the fucking manga.
>There's nothing "missing" There fucking is though. You really introducing Rider and then killing her off straight away and other shit like that is going to fly for a person who's never played the game? What about Kirei and the children in the church?
Jose Green
>btw im a grill xD
Michael Young
or just a faggot
Zachary Lewis
Ufotable's UBW anime was shit because of how it was written and directed, regardless of the route adaptation.
Jeremiah James
>but it was nowhere near adequate
How? It didn't have a huge budget, certainly, but I think it told Fate's story fairly well. It didn't butcher any f the main elements of the route. Its biggest problem was that it tried to merge in stuff from UBW and HF, but they can practically be ignored, as they don't ultimately influence the plot in anyway.
>I'm talking about Ufotable. I don't care about DEEN, I don't care about the fucking manga.
Which is the problem. You are selectively ignoring the fact that other adaptations exist.
And not even old adaptations. Less than 10 years. The manga less than 5.
You have multiple means of learning and experiencing this story, but /you/ choose not to, because /you/ choose to limit yourself based off a certain studio.
It's just very limiting on your part, and I don't know why you choose to see things in this way.
I completely disagree, but this is a whole different conversation.
Sebastian Howard
Hell, even Ufotable doesn't ignore the UBW movie.
If you watch the movie and the series, you can see how the latter, almost with surgical precision, chose to change things that the movie did just in such a way that it made it seem like it was a different interpretation of the story.
Brody Wood
>Which is the problem. You are selectively ignoring the fact that other adaptations exist No I'm not. Because I'm talking about Ufo UBW and why it didn't work as well without the Fate route, and why Ufo should have kicked off with Fate instead of going straight into UBW. I'm not sure why you seem to keep plying other renditions of the Fate route into this conversation as if you're making any kind of point whatsoever. If Ufo wanted to do a Fate anime, they should have gone all out or not at all, especially considering Saber's crucial involvement in Zero and her arc throughout Fate.
>And not even old adaptations DEEN UBW isn't old either. Why does that get a pass then? Because it sucked? The DEEN anime sucked too, and the manga was average so there you go. Heaven's Feel has a manga too, by the way.
>You have multiple means of learning and experiencing this story, but /you/ choose not to, because /you/ choose to limit yourself based off a certain studio Because I'm talking about Ufotable UBW, you fucking idiot. I'm talking about Ufotable. Holy fucking shit.
I think we might be having two separate conversations here.
Thomas Sanders
>Fate Babbys first VN
Ian Hall
Again, I point you to this post. You are living in a bubble, where, for some reason, you don't think it odd to tell the same story for a /fourth/ time in less than 10 years.
The Fate route does exist, and it's been told in a variety of mediums. The fact that you pound ceaselessly away at Ufotable is proving my point. Ufotable isn't the end all be all here. Fate's story has been reiterated, and reiterated.
As I clearly pointed out here, Ufotable didn't ignore UBW, as they carefully made sure to avoid copying the movie to any serious extent, but the other major factor here is that the UBW movie just was not thorough.
It was 90 minutes. It skimmed things. There was more to cover. Meanwhile, DEEN made a 24 episode adaptation of the Fate route. The manga ran for six years. It squeezed the story dry for content.
Again, we need to understand the air at which these adaptations were released.
People fucking groaned at how in Batman vs Superman, they covered Batman's origin again. Despite the Nolan movies doing it. Despite the Burton movies doing it. Despite everything. It's pointless and redundant.
It's understandable why a studio would choose not to do it again for Fate so soon.
Charles Edwards
Why did you even post this?
Parker Scott
That's Katawa Shojo
Gavin Butler
Okay I am thoroughly convinced that you're ignoring everything I've just said so I will spell it out for you very plainly:
I. Am. Talking. About. Ufotable. Because. I. Am. Talking. About. Ufotable. UBW. And. Its. Faults. Stemming. From. The. Underdevelopment. Of. Certain. Cast. Members. And. Other. Problems. That. May. Have. Otherwise. Been. Rectified. Had. Ufotable. Elected. To. Adapt. All. Three. Routes. Instead. Of. Just. Two. I. Do. Not. Give. A. Fuck. About. Any. Other. Media. Relating. To. The. Fate. Route. I. Am. Aware. They. Exist. However. I. Am. Talking. About. Ufotable. Right. Now. Not. DEEN. Not. Any. Other. Studio. Ufotable.
Are we clear now? If Ufotable were going to adapt Fate, they should have done it properly. UFOTABLE. Just because I'm speculating as to the potential benefits of Ufotable perhaps having chosen to kick off their adaptation of Fate with the Fate route instead of UBW does in no way mean I'm pretending the other adaptations of the Fate route do not exist. I'm saying for cohesion's sake, especially coming off of Zero, they would have benefited immeasurably from starting with Fate instead of UBW.
>It's understandable why a studio would choose not to do it again for Fate so soon And I'm saying from a storytelling point of view, Ufotable would have benefited from starting with the Fate route instead of UBW. Why are you still talking about this? In fact why are we still talking at all?
Samuel Smith
>but the other major factor here is that the UBW movie just was not thorough. This really shits me too, actually. The DEEN adaptation was not fucking adequate at all, considering its fumbles when it came to animation and characterization. Ufotable doing a straight adaptation of it would be the ideal representation of the Fate route in a visual medium. Ideally.
What are people going to say if they watch DEEN F/SN and go into UBW? Totally anime original elements and logic that existed in DEEN's Fate world would cease to be in UBW causing confusion.
Gavin Jenkins
No one gives a fuck about fate shit.
Anthony Perez
What the fuck happened to Kotomine in UBW? Did he really get killed by Lancer and burned in the Einzbern mansion? Isn't he undead thanks to the grail at the end of Zero?
And that's your problem. Marvel Studios sweat it too hard when they decided to just add in Spider-Man to the latest Captain America. Why? Cause everyone knows it.
You don't lose "cohesion" because there are readily available options to gain that cohesion.
Fate/stay night [Unlimited Blade Works] didn't sell itself on being a full adaptation. Just an adaptation of one particular route. If you watch it, and end up feeling confused, one, that is partially the viewer's fault for skipping content, but it can readily be rectified by going back and viewing the already created missing content.
You see to have this issue with the fact that things aren't lined up neatly in a row with one studio handling everything, but it's still simple to follow. You go chronologically.
I mean DEEN's Log Horizon is just a continuation of Satelight's.
I think you greatly exaggerate the differences in logic in DEEN's adaptation. There are a few differences here and there, but nothing major. The biggest issue is that some may feel that UBW retreads too much content, due to the added stuff by DEEN.
I also don't think the characterization is particularly off. Shirou suffers from being Fate route Shirou early on, but that's to be expected for a character that is still early in realization and development.
Brandon King
The burning of the mansion destroyed his body, so it's all good.
Liam Hill
Keep in mind, I don't think DEEN's adaptation was perfect, but like, yeah, if you want to watch Fate animated, that's where you should start.
If another adaptation comes along, and it's good, that's fine too, but I think all these adaptations have their place. Despite really disliking it overall, I think the UBW movie has its merits in a few places.
Kevin Powell
This plus Gay Bolg's thorns.
Julian Davis
I don't know what you are arguing about, but how about you take your capeshit somewhere else. Not only does it belong here, nobody gets the analogies you make with it.
Aiden Wilson
Sorry, I'm just trying to relate something that's swarming western media right now in a way that Fate is in Japan.
You're at least aware that there are a lot of fucking Spider-Man movies, right? They keep on pumping them out. You watch one, kind of get the basic story. No need to retell how the guy got to be able to shoot webs out his ass again.
That's the same thing with the Fate route. There's the original VN story. The 2006 anime. The manga that ran until 2012. The story's been told, so like, if you go into UBW, and are confused, you have options to learn how to not be confused.
Like, do you get me?
Joseph Diaz
VN fags have to fall back on
>everything is subjective
I read the VN too, and it was fucking awful. There's 50 hours I'm never getting back.
Connor Myers
>And that's your problem. Marvel Studios sweat it too hard when they decided to just add in Spider-Man to the latest Captain America. Why? Cause everyone knows it. This is a piss fucking poor analogy and I'm not particularly sure what it's supposed to be in aid of.
"My problem" with talking about Ufotable in particular is talking about Ufotable in particular to you? You are a fucking idiot.
>You don't lose "cohesion" because there are readily available options to gain that cohesion I AM TALKING ABOUT UFOTABLE HOLY FUCKING CHRIST.
>Fate/stay night [Unlimited Blade Works] didn't sell itself on being a full adaptation. Just an adaptation of one particular route. No shit. Ufotable teased a ery big Fate anime project, and they elected to go with UBW instead of Fate. Which I'm saying was a mistake. Which also, funnily enough, has no bearing whether or not I preclude any other forms of Fate route media in this conversation. Because again, I am only talking about Ufotable and how their Fate project, and indeed Zero, would have benefited from a proper Fate route adaptation.
>You seem to have this issue with the fact that things aren't lined up neatly in a row with one studio handling everything Funny that when I'm talking about one studio in particular I stick to talking about that studio in particular, isn't it?
I'm just about bored of this.
Liam Parker
I hope ya'll are meming me. All that subtle build up for nothing. I was under the impression he would fight against Shirou. I'm a filthy secondary but I bet it's better in the VN. Right?
Jaxson Ortiz
Fate/Zero is GOAT Fate/Stay Night VN is WOAT complete waste of an interesting premise until Urobuchi came along.
Joseph Lewis
>Still falling for the zerofag bait Never change Sup Forums
Angel Bennett
He fights him in Fate, and he fights him in HF.
Joshua Robinson
Kerry's more angsty than edgy desu
but alright, keep using your buzzwords user
Caleb Bennett
Ufotable's UBW anime was shit because source material shit ftfy
