Is there a good argument against Social Democratic policies?

> Universal Healthcare
> Short work week
> Progressive Taxation
> Environmental protection and Green policies
> Generous vacation and maternity/paternity benefits
> Welfare state to provide for the worst off and lesser fortunate
It seems like the perfect compromise between socialism and communism.

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Sounds like a utopia to me.
I'll pass.

>who's paying
>Less taxes incoming
>Unfair taxes
>Less profit less tax
>Paternity is misogynistic
>Who's paying

This

>Waiting times so long you become well before visiting the hospital.
>Work 8 hours 5 days a week (((short)))
>40% of your salary goes to the state (((progressive))))
>Green policies? lol.
>Generous and paid for by everyone else.
>Incentive to be lazy and not do anything. Incentive for shitskins to come en masse.

kys fucking cock sucking nigger scum

Sonds good to me BUT! I am a wage slave working minimum wage and I deserve LESS, I AM TEMPORAL EMBARASSED MILLIONAIRE

Lmaoing @ ur life

Sounds like a pipe dream that has a fundamental flaw at every corner of it. A society like this, unless you have the population of Denmark, will NEVER, EVER work

we have that already in this country.
Free food
Free shelter
No need to work, but you can if you want to
Free education and training
Free books, magazines, gym, video games
Free health care

It is called prison. a true libtard paradise

It sounds like a giant clusterfuck when you involve the us gov with it.

This, exactly.

>Universal healthcare
You will have polish tier Healthcare, not German or British one.

Resources are not and will never be free.

Social Democratic policies work

Even though I will never own a house and be able to raise a family I can become an endentured servant thank capitalism.

>> Universal Healthcare
meaning lower quality of healthcare

> Short work week
meaning lower wages, less social mobility, hurts poorer communities

> Progressive Taxation
meaning more money to politicians and donors

> Environmental protection and Green policies
meaning more money to the oil and gas companies in incentives for quotas which they never uphold (they still keep their money)

> Generous vacation and maternity/paternity benefits
meaning less likely for companies to hie female employees, lower desirability for female employees

> Welfare state to provide for the worst off and lesser fortunate
meaning increasing national debt, lower quality of public services, more bureaucracy

Why not? How does the population size matter?

YES SVEN

Redpill on what made Sweden very rich, before the 1970's and the unbound marxism that created the multicultural hellhole it currently is.
tl;dr: Unique cultural preconditions and lower taxes than the average.

youtube.com/watch?v=2lbRkfsrt1E?t=4m40s

Just jump in to about 4:40 something to get over the introductions.

Good thing social democracy isn't unique to Sweden and it works well in multiple countries.

best argument is probably that it doesn't work.

Short work week is a good idea. In fact, it should be shorter. It should be 4-5 hours per day (8 hours for a family with a working woman)

Working less, however, implies earning less, less government revenue and services, etc. It can be done, but without synchronizing its implementation with a productivity boost (like it could be done in the past), it effectively means impoverishing a country.

>Good thing social democracy isn't unique to Sweden and it works well in multiple countries.
which ones ?

Mr. Johnsen is right!

> Welfare state to provide for the worst off and lesser fortunate

A better idea would be a universal income for all. Eliminate all the welfare bureacracies and pay for it with those (currently wasted) monies. Make it enough to barely squeek by so all but the current welfare leeches will have incentive to work.

It will act as a safety net for those who live pay check to pay check. For the more well off it will be an additional vacation or other luxury item.

Stop, you know UBI will never work because everyone with a shit job will quit and shitskins from Mexico will be brought it as under the table cheap labor.

here's one

here's another

Would you consider Norway, Denmark, Germany, possibly France and the Netherlands as Social Democratic countries?
You can't replace all welfare with basic income because some idiots will spend it on stupid shit. There will still need to be stuff like healthcare and food and other certain necessities provided.

one word and one word alone

niggers

Here's another one
Social Democracy, like Socialism, can not stand on its own.
It need surrounding nations to exploit
You take globalism off the table, social democracies fail tomorrow
Like Capitalism, it's a bubble, but unlike more open markets, it can't absorb the shock of a recession without Globalist favors
It's a destructive system, and 25 years from now, Sweden as we know it, won't exist because of it.
You're welcome

>working more than 7 months a year for the state
>not slavery

stop posting this picture

> Universal Healthcare
Enjoy standing in line with a bunch of smelly spics, niggers and white trash for hours upon hours, only for the doctor to spend all of five minutes looking you over before kicking you out.
> Short work week
Your employer will expect you to cram the same amount of work into a shorter amount of time. So relaxing.
> Progressive Taxation
There's nothing progressive about giving half your paycheck to the state, only for that money to go towards lazy niggers on welfare.
> Environmental protection and Green policies
Smart car factories are far more damaging to the environment than a car's emissions will ever be.
> Generous vacation and maternity/paternity benefits
You already have that with non-scummy employers.
> Welfare state to provide for the worst off and lesser fortunate
How anyone can say this is a good thing with a straight face, I don't know. A welfare state is a slap in the face to the working class.
Why should I be worked like a dog just to provide for lazy, obese slobs?

((Timbro))

Who is she? Link IG pls

>Is there a good argument against social democrat policies
Yeah it doesn't work in a multi-ethnic society

Holy fuck at first I thought you were stupid but the punchline made me geek

>pic unrelated

It doesnt work in a homogenous society too, stop that natsoc myth bullshit
It works much better, yeah, but properly? NO!
Why do you think has Europe started to import all of those shitskins in the first place?
Hint: demographic """problem"""

Gotta love how Sup Forums gives /leftypol/ free shitposting reign of "hey kids aint this socialism thing cool here is why" which takes enormous effort to shoot down and dominates board debate while at infinites /leftypol/ posting anything even remotely right wing gives FOUR MONTH bans immediately.

You'll be tumblr in no time.

Just described my "country"

If only there was no (sand)niggers...

> UH
Its never worked and can never work. It wasn't true UniCare Commieball.jpg

> SWW
start your own company then cost less than 150$ in most states.

> Prog tax
Oh so the Government can waste the wealth of the talented.

> Env and Green
If they actually cared about preservation that would be fine but its mostly a racket. Pay us to tell you where you can and cannot build. Its arbitrary bull 99% of the time.

> Generous Mat Pat
Why not just take 18 years off. Its not like babies need more money and time than you would think.

> Worst off
I don't think you know how bad shit gets.
Few people have a can do attitude about their problems. Most self medicate and shit literally and figuratively everywhere. Firemen/Paramedics are quitting b/c 27k is not worth getting aids and hepatitis over.

Non-social democrat countries also have the same problem. Besides, Nordick countries are consistently rated to be some of the happiest countries in the world, so clearly social democracy does do something right

Seconding this.

I agree. The tax burdens created by these welfare states are worse than indentured servitude in the past. There's not enough left over for people to have big families, with the exception of dole recipients.

Why would countries have a demgraphic """problem""" if they wouldnt have a ponzi sheme "social democratic" pension system that is failing?
You right wing big state worshipper are almost as bad as the left wingers and equally retarded

This so much. Healthcare is seriously overloaded here.

>Perfect compromise between socialism and communism.
kek

They only work for high iq homogenous countries, though

>Would you consider Norway
no, doesn't work. Never breaks even, if it wasn't for our oil we would be indebted to every nation on this planet, social democracy drains away at our nationalized pension funds and our politicians keeps buying lobby positions in the EU and Nato for our tax money the rest goes to bullshit. Everything is privatized to "save money" even though taxes has increased, we're paying to be robbed.

It's worthless

>Why would countries have a demgraphic """problem""" if they wouldnt have a ponzi sheme "social democratic" pension system that is failing?
Because birthrates have been declining everywhere in the developed world mein neger.

Adolf you're just assblasted because you don't have an argument

But the countries with the most social democratic-style policies have among the highest birthrates.
Yeah because people here aren't as autistic and speech is still free so actually good ideas like this can make some leeway.
> Universal healthcare has never worked
To ignore so much data about it when it almost always works better than the clusterfuck that is the US system is completely delusional.

kek, I meant to say a compromise between socialism and capitalism.

She would be prettier if she had an aquiline nose, she has no bridge it looks like she was grown in a test tube

What a qt I'd rub my flaccid cock and sweaty balls all over her face 2bh desu

And how would declining birth rates be a problem if there is no social democratic pension system?
Besides the two obvious problems:
higher wages and cheaper housing costs for young people

Cause most of them already had tons of welfare leeching shitskins in 2013

whos in the pics?

>> Universal Healthcare
Doesn't work if you have sub-90 iq niggers, sandniggers and native-niggers.

>> Short work week
DUDE, JUST NEGOTIATE A DIFFERENT SCHEDULE LMAO

Hurts middle class, taxation eventually brings in less money, increase taxes, repeat until there's no middle class.

>> Environmental protection and Green policies
Good luck paying 5x the watt.

See first answer.

No it's all extortion in the end.

The economy can't grow if the population is declining

>Is there a good argument against Social Democratic policies?
Theft is immoral.

Those fertility rates come from mudslimes.
Try again.

If it involves democracy, it will consume itself in short order.

> Iceland's birth statistics are kept up by Muslims

It can and will through technology
Besides that, why do we NEED a growing economy?

The larger the state the smaller the citizen

Diverse societies are more corrupt and crime-ridden than ethnically-homogenous societies. Numerous studies have shown this. nytimes.com/2007/08/05/world/americas/05iht-diversity.1.6986248.html?mcubz=1

>It can and will through technology
That depends on how steep the population decline is
>Besides that, why do we NEED a growing economy?
Because the economy needs to grow constantly in order to function. Google it

Iceland is 'kinda' redpilled.

See the 2011 referendum, where they rejected the green/social-democrat bailout or whatever that was.

>flag
Do they work for your Achmed?

eggman

Im sure the economy needs welfare leeches that can take MORE debt and making the very rich even richer, while taxing the middle class for it
Without the economy would collapse

Yes.

Weimar republic.

-True socialist countries don't have any wealth left to tax
-true socialist countries don't have UBI
-people escape socialist countries to go to other countries with closer semblance to free markets.

Why don't you just link the research or articles yourself

>Believing this will actually work
>We currently have none of these things and our national debt is already skyrocketing


Autism

Free markets are the basics of human behavior.
>I have something, you have something lets trade
vs
>we all have stuff lets spread it around.

> Social Democracy is opposed to free markets
lol, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark arguably have freer markets than America does, they're at least close to it in terms of economic freedom.

Sweden.

SHE looks like a pig.

We would actually save money with a universal healthcare system most likely.
> Free markets are the basics of human behavior
> Only existed for the past couple hundreds of years while humans have been around for over 150,000 and civilization has existed for over 5,000

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This
In South Africa there are way more people who claim benefits than there are people paying taxes.
Out of 55 million people, only 1.9 million of us (mostly white) pay more than 90% of all income tax.
It is unsustainable and will come crashing down sooner or later just like every other socialist system.

These things might work in a homogenized societie. This currently would not work in America and will soon not work in Europe. Citing of course that in Europe Most of these programs are played with heavy problems even before their societys became ((((diversified)))).

I don't care about most of the people in my country

> Universal Healthcare
> Short work week
> Progressive Taxation
> Environmental protection and Green policies
> Generous vacation and maternity/paternity benefits
> Welfare state to provide for the worst off and lesser fortunate
We have all of this but actually we are more capitalist than the US.

SO DONT SPEND ANY MORE MONEY ON WELFARE
GET RID OF THE REGULATIONS
GET RID OF OBAMACARE
GET RID OF GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT AT ALL

Youll have the best and cheapest health care in a century!

>> Universal Healthcare
Who pays for this?
>> Short work week
It's fine, as long as it's not subsidized by the government, which lefties tend to want.
>> Progressive Taxation
The smartest and richest people learn to avoid taxes, so this ends up harming the middle class the most.
>> Environmental protection and Green policies
Unfair involvement of the government in the private sector, choosing winners, has never worked out in the past.
>> Generous vacation and maternity/paternity benefits
Who pays for these people to sit at home? Taxation is theft. Get your sticky fingers out of my wallet.
>> Welfare state to provide for the worst off and lesser fortunate
Tends to make people dependent on handouts, has destroyed the nuclear family in the black community, is contributing to massive influx of poor immigrants from the third world who are coming here just for the free stuff.
>It seems like the perfect compromise between socialism and communism.
Socialism is a far left, totalitarian system of government-induced coercion and theft. It should be rejected, not compromised for.

Exactly, the two aren't even necessarily in conflict with each other.
Not really, healthcare is a very special market with a lot of unique circumstances surrounding it. For many reasons the optimal market for it is probably a single-payer universal system with private alternatives provided.
Check out Nobel Laureate economist Kenneth Arrow's writings on the topic.
who.int/bulletin/volumes/82/2/PHCBP.pdf
pnhp.org/blog/2016/03/16/kenneth-arrow-says-single-payer-is-better-than-any-other-system/
krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/why-markets-cant-cure-healthcare/

Scandinavia. Compare the wages, it's pretty clear-cut. The only ones who are worse off in the USA are niggers and spics, who don't belong and don't contribute anyhow.
> Universal Healthcare
50% starting income tax rate, 25% VAT, 30% capital gains tax
> Short work week
True, 40 hour weeks but then again you're paid proportionately.
> Progressive Taxation
Not here. The only progressive element here is an additional 20-25% after a certain point. Going from 50-60% isn't that big.
> Environmental protection and Green policies
Yeah, we're on a crusade against rural and suburban retards. $6.5 a gallon. And all our industry save timber's gone to China.
> Generous vacation and maternity/paternity benefits
No wonder the wages are ass. Dysgenic, disproportionate compensation too so unfair to boot.
> Welfare state to provide for the worst off and lesser fortunate
I'd hardly call leeches a good thing.
>It seems like the perfect compromise between socialism and communism.
That's the only thing you got right, it is a compromise. An incoherent mess of an ideology.

Niggers is the argument. Whites can benefit from most social policies. Nigger beasts bring out the worst in any policy.

Civic nationalism wont work, neither will fucking socialism or democracy as long as there are niggers.

>Universal Healthcare
You will pay more in taxes than you will ever get out. Public healthcare becomes complete and utter shit. We have free healthcare provided by government, yet every white person I know has private medical insurance.
>Short work week
Lowered productivity = less taxes to fund your utopia
>Progressive Taxation
Financially punishing the productive and innovative while rewarding the lazy and useless
>Generous vacation and maternity/paternity benefits
Massive losses and reduced productivity for companies in long run = less taxes to fund your utopia
>Welfare state to provide for the worst off and lesser fortunate
Rewarding the lazy and useless for being lazy and useless providing incentive for more people to be lazy and useless = less taxes paid and more of it leeched

See:

Can confirm.

Here in Canada all banks have what they call a 'Welcome package' where new immigrants are automatically qualified for credit cards and even a home loan.

>You can't replace all welfare with basic income because some idiots will spend it on stupid shit.

Good point. Dindus will spend it on sneakers and hair extensions then turn to the government for 'help' when they cant pay rent or feed their 6 bastard kids.

Existing federal medical spending is already obscenely expensive. Universal healthcare would require a massive increase in taxes, and for what? The vast majority of healthcare problems are self inflicted. Why should the taxpayer carry this burden?
You can get a job that's less than full time if you want.
We already have progressive taxation
We already protect the environment to the extent that we should
Only megacorps can afford to pay for months leave every time an employee has a kid. Such a burden cannot be handled by small businesses.
The worst off and "least fortunate" are mostly old people who never accumulated any wealth because you taxed it all away and because they know social security exists.

I know it's been said (because it's so obvious), but how come these supposedly university educated people, professors and professionals aren't self-aware enough to ask themselves this very question?
>Who's going to pay for it?
I just don't understand.

ENJOY YOUR MASSIVE INFLUX OF SHITSKINZ

>Enjoy standing in line with a bunch of smelly spics, niggers and white trash for hours upon hours, only for the doctor to spend all of five minutes looking you over before kicking you out.

Lol, this is US healthcare system now. After 5 minutes they say they arent sure whats wrong, write you a prescription for something you likely dont need, then tell you to make sure and book a follow up appmnt so they can get more shekels from you.