>Bulgarian Population in 1988
9 000 000 people
>Bulgarian population in 2017
7 100 000 people
20% of population gone
>Ukrainian population in 1990
52 114 000 people
>Ukraine population in 2017
42,467,037 people
20% of population just disappeared
Kek, this is worse than WW2 losses, these are catastrophic statistics desu
How are these two countries even functioning?
>How are these two countries even functioning?
They aren't
That bitch looks like a gremlin
Lots of duct tape.
Can some Bulgarian respond if moving to Bulgaria is a good idea?
fuck off we're full
Beware, macacos are very expensive in Bulgaria.
They're tough people.
Cheap houses, good internet, shitty roads, loads of gypos, muzzies sort of keep to themselves.
kekkedy
Better a Brazilian than savage Muslims who only know how to rape
D E L I C I A
Please stay in your shithole and die there.
>better a Brazilian than savage Muslims who only know how to rape
because a monkey that only knows how to rape is better than a cockroach that only knows how to rape?
if you ask me it's better to not let anyone in. Nature will be better preserved with fewer people around
Fuck you
Communists and Muslims are the biggest rapists on the face of the earth
How did you solve the problem of low population?
>20% of population gone
No, they just moved.
There are more Albanians abroad than in Albania IIRC
Not with you, that's for sure.
We didn't? Besides why is it strictly bad to have low population. It's only the transition from high to low that is negative, because of social systems and welfare.
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Hungary is probably better.
Cheap too and less gypsies.
butterface
Are you a faggot? Are you liberal? Are you weak? No, this country will swallow you.
Are you a conservative, strong, independent and capable person? Best move in your life. The country is beautiful, there is a shitload of opportunity, a shitload of freedom. Its hard to achieve, there is low security (financial mostly) but its glorious.
Ignore most comments on the country, a vast majority have no idea what its like. And its a slav thing to shit on your country.
Also there is a huge gulf between Sofia and the other towns and another huge gulf between big towns and everything else.
We need intelligent immigration, the demogrpahics aside mutri are becoming more and more and dominating anyone intelligent. We desperately need people who want to act orderly and do intelligent stuff.
>muh poor immigrants
>have money to move to another country
what a crock of shit. stay in your shitholes.
>tfw 56% of americans can't afford to flee this desolate wasteland excuse of a country that doesn't even have free healthcare or college
Objectively probably. Depends. Hungary has better jobs and salaries, bit more security. Its a very boring country though, all flat ground. Plus its more expensive. In Bulgaria you can go from the high balkan and its beautiful lake to the seaside in a few hours. And you can buy a huge field to grow stuff on for fucking peanuts. Plus Bulgaria has the 10% flat tax on fucking everything and starting a business is cheap, so its better for a fresh start if you dont have so much money.
Its here and there. If you are scared of leaving your security completely, id choose Hungary. If you want to start your own thing but have no money,like nature or want to grow shit, i might choose Bulgaria.
Also lets face it, dudes brazillian, you wont scare him with our shit.
Oh yeh, also Hungary has more gyppos.
They have about 1 million, we have less than 700k (started moving west en masse).
I hate Liberals, Communists, Social Democrats would throw them out of a helicopter if I could.
>mutri
They aren't mutri but former National Security agents and former communist party members, at least say it as it is. And nowadays they've legal businesses for money laundering so you won't catch them as easily.
>intelligent immigration
No. A foreigner coming in won't change anything. If bulgarians don't change what's happening it will stay the same.
Those are cute socks...
it costs me as much to study in germany as it costs me to study in bulgaria
It's called capitalism, bro.
>42,467,037 people
It's actually 36-38 millions, but Ukrainian government doesn't count some immigrants and refugees.
I was talking about the general population turning into mutri. Young kids who see the mutri succeeding and everyone else failing hard and want to emulate them. Thats our biggest issue, the fact GERB completely threw away the idea that you have to be hard-working, capable and intellgent to succeed and made it so you have to be tough, stupid, brutish and do dalaveri. So it became the norm.
>muh DS
Lets stop blaming everyone else, shall we? Ah, the traditions of communism you still uphold. The international situation, eh?
>wont change until we do
I completely agree with you there. But one of the things we desperately need to change is shitting on ourselves in front of foreigners. If we cant be good to our country in front of them, we wont be good for ourselves. I was staggered when i came home from abroad and saw how much we shit on our own country.
>shitting on ourselves in front of foreigners
I'm honest irl and I'm also being honest here. Love the country, beautiful etc. but people's attitude in general is awful.
>Lets stop blaming everyone else
>blames mutri
How do you think they became what they are? You don't wake up suddenly one day and decide to become a criminal and traffic drugs.
DESU the decline in personal standards morality etc isn't unique to your country it's exactly what happened here. It's a common European problem
The professional criminals and drug trafickers are the least of our problems. The issue is the 18 year old kid who has no intention of ever working, his biggest goal is to be tough, not clever and he wants to do "dalaveri" (not necessarily crime per se). Its in the average person, the average kid. Thats who im blaming, the class I belong in.
Not some ethereal being I picture as the mutra, who has nothing to do with me.
This is also a good point. Declining population is only a problem in face of invasion by immigrants. Global population decline would be excellent
CAPITALIST FAMINE
CAPITALISM KILLS 100 MILLION EUROPEANS PER DECADE.
The problem with us is a bit unique. We got a prime minister who is a firefighter, no degree, doesnt even speak english. He made up a party of similar people, tough sons of bitches, unintelligent and unqualified. He filled the villages with feudal lords who beat people up as mayors. He goes on tv, talks stupid and tough and he keeps fucking winning. He did good things for the country, certainly better than the commies would have, but he also convinced the youth studying is for suckers and you need to be tough rather than clever. So while your youth is becoming liberal, demoralized, losing their culture, ours is becoming one of wannabe gangsters, cheaters, tough guys. Sure, theyre conservative and shit, but so what?
We have an IT revolution going on which is counteracting it, but the problem is if you are clever you are usually stigmatized since the tough guys are louder and more brash. So the quiet, orderly, clever person is placed into a corner with only moving abroad or somehow making a life in Sofia as his only choice.
This. The pension scam necessitates an influx of third worlders to balance out the population decline. The state-funded pension system must be abolished.
It's worse though, I'm residing in Germany most of the time now and still the difference is staggering. I acknowledge germans still have faults but here it's completely ridiculous. People dream of being mafiots and having endless money to blow on clubbing/partying, driving the latest BMW etc. 40 year olds men and women in teenage clothes? Come on.
Yes, but I would still blame it commies for replacing religion with nothing and thus opening the floodgates of degeneracy and immoral behaviour and killing all decency in people. It functioned before '89 because then it was the strive to "build communism" that motivated people. After that it was just emptyness, no wonder the cultural decay and degradation was so fast.
We are getting religious right now, Boyko made it fashionable again, so fucking what?
But yeh, as I said, blame commies. Put it into the past. Decline to look to the present and future. It wont improve that way.
Less people
Less Jobs needed, less food needed, more services for people who are left
Countries dont need large populations anymore
The only people who want bigger populations are bankers who sell debt and need a endless stream of new debt slaves or their pyramid will collapse
Hanz you are going to expel the refugees when?
>professional criminals and drug traffickers are the least of our
Ah yes. The people legally running the country and their legally illegal sidekicks as well as spawn are the least of the country's problems. At last I truly see. thank you for clarifying things comrade. Indeed, we need more erudite and ejaculated kadri such as yourself in order to combat the decadence of the american imperialism.
No we're not becoming religious, it's just fashionable to wear a golden cross around your neck and tattoo jesus on your leg. And why should noone be blamed? Everything happens for a reason and I'm just saying what I think is the reason. Not that it will fix something but it's a start to recognise what went wrong. What should be done is a completely different matter and I, sadly, don't have a clear answer.
Precisely. But with the spread of the voting age population that will never happen. I would happily work till I die if I had a decent job and a nice county, people used to retire for five years tops. Now it's like a second life
Interesting, wasn't familiar with that situation. All I will say is if you keep your head down in that situation you can make a lot of money. If you can get a aajob in an IT firm there or something you will outcompete those guys in minutes
Also be both. Act like a goon but don't be one. That can work
The kids here who grew up in the big cities are the same, middle class is mostly suburban and country so not as affected but the young English kids just act like coons
You are not very smart are you? I literally said nothing of what you responded to. Nothing. We were having a conversation about mutri, i meant to say the small-time traffickers who do dalaveri with drugs are less dangerous than the youth wannabes.
>pointing a finger and screaming at me about being anti-american from literally nothing I said that implied or came close to implying so
Ah, the modern komsomol. You would have made quite he commie career.
The obsession with figuring out the past is ridiculous though and quite a problem. Everybody talks about communism this, communism that and who gives a fuck about anything present of future? Go to a media with a view counter. Shit about communism or DS or whatever gets tens of thousands of views and comments. Articles about our 30-40% growth in tourism (yes, we have probably a world record growth there) get completely ignored.
Look at the faggot above me, we are talking about the current situation and he is going on about some crap wih american imperialism or whatever.
Somehow I doubt Bulgaria has a cheap business climate for foreigners. The amount of people we'd have to pay off probably negates the low taxes.
Bulgarians are massive cucks that need to be destroyed though
Yeh, IT in bulgaria pays salaries above 1.5k euros as of your first year (after a year trial period). Equivalent of 3-4k pounds net in richer parts of the UK. All you need is to be savvy and follow a short course. Last time I saw, thousands of people were desperate to follow the course. Officially a statistic came ot that showed most wanted job for parents for their kids now was IT, went above lawyer.
Thats all fine, but when some thug cuts you off in traffic, you honk and e beats the shit out of you, you wont want to be here or be clever, would you?
They don't have the massive pensions and shit we have here in the western world. The only reason people demand continuous pop growth here is that those are ponzi schemes. If we don't keep growing the bottom of the pyramid the entire thing will colapse and almost a hundred million people in north america will be suddenly without income. And if I'm generous, half of those will be able to recover, but you'll still have 10s of millions of angry, broke people with nothing to lose.
Wrong. You're looking at insane levels of nepotism. If you have connections you will become whatever you want even if you're dumb as brick. On the other hand if you aren't you can only get to a certain point, after which you probably won't move.
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To be fair I wouldn't open an article about growth in tourism because the headline tells me everything I want to know.
>The obsession with figuring out the past is ridiculous though and quite a problem.
You can't fix it before you know what's malfunctioning.
t. engineering student
Anyway I'd be happy to hear some suggestions about solving the problem from you, if you have any.
Lel as if. If you are not getting into alcohol or weapons or something huge, the bribes you pay are miniscule. Moreover if you have a link with your embassy (who do that sort of shit) we will likely steer the fuck away.
Opening a store or cafe involves at most a free beer and a 100 to the inspector because following the law to the letter would be stupid.
No need for butthurt comrade I was merely praising your nefarious ways.
Sure, but the article talked about how our sea tourism was repelling people that were now discovering us. Sure, nothing you dont know, but neither is what communism did, is it?
>Anyway I'd be happy to hear some suggestions about solving the problem from you, if you have any.
There is no big solution. We bulgarians like big banging solutions. Huge gas pipeline to solve our energy, huge project for this. Solutions are small, everyday fixes. A kid being made to work when he is 18 instead of going to cafes. A selyanin told life can be orderly and clean. Boycotting stuff the mutri do. Promoting our country.
If there is anything big, I think its channeling the energy of the average person together. I actually unironically hope Slavi doesnt die out, because as chalga and stupid as he is, ive noticed something. Go to his kikebook profile, look at the people supporting him. Only young, educated, normal people. Some old chalga fart here and there, but not the majority. And people shitting on him are old fans of GERB or BSP. Whatever Slavi is doesnt matter, I just like the energy he is gathering, maybe not even on purpose. If someone can take that energy and channel it instead of abusing it, that would be a big step as well.
Hmm sounds pretty good, my only reservation is that the people there are so eh, ethnically different from me.
In that regard Hungary is much better. On average they're much taller, blonder, and whiter than Bulgarians (excluding the gypsies of course).
And let's be honest, in those parts of the world not being a local is not a good thing.
>comrade
Funny how you reach that point from wht I said, which relates to nothing politically or ideologically.
First part is balkans in a nutshell the nepotism is and not having the rule of law is ruining countries here
They're waiting for a global debt reset, doesn't matter how many people they have
I know where they went ...
My girlfriend is dutch and moved here. There is an expat community with dutch people here. Sadly the dutch bar (heavy metal and rock) closed down recently.
Not being a local is the best thing ever here, we have 75 years of an insecurity complex pushed into our skulls by cold war propaganda. If you are dutch you can walk into any building, demand any job and you will get it. Some uneducated fucks will dislike you, but still have some weird respect for you. Almost anyone who hasnt been abroad and some who have think you are better than them. My gf gets special treatment almost anywhere.
Her cousin married a hungarian woman. They ethnic differences are similar. The only thing is Hungary is closer to the Netherlands in how orderly it is. And there is a middle class, unlike us.
Described Serbia right there m8.
We're fucked here in the Balkans - the common attitude is pseudo-patriotic "lol I wanna be tough and rich and fuck whores while doing nothing" nigger shit, and the "intelligent", "educated" crowd's counter-culture is SJW fedora-tipping progressivism.
Also, not getting into weapons or something diminishes the appeal greatly. I want to go rapefugee hunting with an old soviet gear.
Less people - more national welfare per capita. Only russians fap to the population.
Also i'd like move to Bulgaria from Russia, why not? Defenetely Bulgaria is better by each position even they Saint-Peterburg (and this is one of the best places in our North Nigeria)
Bit offtopic but imo IT is not worth it. As you yourself pointed out a lot of people are going there just for the money so it's gonna get saturated at some point in the not so distant future and on top of that after 30 you're highly replaceable, because the kids coming up from beneath probably know more about the new technologies than you do. In other words experience isn't as important in the field. That said if you manage to create your own company you can live a good life.
>Slavi
The movement is ok, but I highly doubt it that he will get very far. Otherwise the best thing you can do is to try and redpill people on a daily basis (which I've been trying to do for a couple of years now with limited success), but with the amount of peer pressure and pressure from the media the average person is recieving it's nigh impossible to get long term results.
BBC did a report on the depopulation of Bulgaria. Sounds like it's ripe for immigration of whites for creation of the ethnostate. Sucks to be next to Turkey though. It's like that nigger neighbor you'll move suburbs to escape. Actually that might explain things.
We are the same and face the same problems. But we havent learned, we still listen to old imperial propaganda that makes us go at each others throats. Even with the ottoman empire rising again, we are ready to kill each other at a moments notice.
What do you mean? You can get guns here easily.
Ehhh saint petersburg? Pretty similar.
belgian flag detected
I fucking knew I had talked to you.
>Thats all fine, but when some thug cuts you off in traffic, you honk and e beats the shit out of you,
then you shoot him with your gun?
or does bulgaria not have usa laws?
>ottoman empire rising
Lol just stop buying shitty turkish products that are unironically worse than chink stuff
I have one bulgarian guy in FB who fap to Ryssia, post pics with lion and bear, you know.
Hope you'll guys smash the faces bastards like he are. Or inform you Security Service or something like that.
>How are these two countries even functioning?
>implying they are
b-but top kek is delicious
>saturated
Not that true, the more people we have the more foreign businesses outsourcing. It grows faster than the people going into it.
And yeh, its about starting your own thing. Which isnt that hard.
>doubt he will get far
Yeh, we dont need him to. If he manages to unites the average, normal person its enough, in my opinion.
That report was shilling to make us accept refugees. Read it, they just talk about how we need rapefugees.
I'm not the one unironic and not so subtle commie apologist using variation of "live and let live lets forget and work together btw kostov did it". Things generally don't happen in vacuum and there are causes and effects. Gerb is byproduct of the system in place, and not the sole cause for the economical and cultural events that are unfolding. The retardation among the population was commonplace before them, and will be after them.
Comrade.
Oh those are harmless. He will do a 180 as soon as its profitable.
:^)
You can grt a gun, but most orderly, intelligent people dont.
>commie apologist
Wow you are really stupid
Im gonna stop responding now
Thats the only good thing and biskerm.
But i bought a turksish made dishwasher you cant put plates on the top shelve.
I bought a turkish sink. Now i cant replace the drain mesh. Because the screw rusted away and i need to remove the entire sink. I bought turkish turshia by mistake it was saltier than the adriatic sea. My gf bought puslici and they tasted of chlorine.
Just a few quality roach products
Todor Zivkov was literally the best thing that ever happened to Bulgaria, after Asen II. You just can't prove it wrong.
Ukrainian here.
Ukraine is a shithole, if I stayed there I would only get kids if I were 100% sure I could sustain them and I wouldn't go for more than one. That is what a lot of people think.
Also me as an example, everyone who has a chance flees because mess is irreversible. Ukrainian goverment has always been chaotic and money-grabbing ever since first getmans everyone was out to get money. Ukrainians are jews of slavs, and I say that as ukrainian
pic related is my favourite
otherwise buy as much local products as possible.
your flag proves you wrong automatically
The following export product groups represent the highest dollar value in Turkish global shipments during 2016. Also shown is the percentage share each export category represents in terms of overall exports from Turkey.
Vehicles: US$19.8 billion (13.9% of total exports)
Machinery including computers: $12.4 billion (8.7%)
Gems, precious metals: $12.2 billion (8.5%)
Knit or crochet clothing, accessories: $8.9 billion (6.2%)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $7.8 billion (5.5%)
Iron, steel: $6.2 billion (4.3%)
Clothing, accessories (not knit or crochet): $5.9 billion (4.2%)
Plastics, plastic articles: $5 billion (3.5%)
Articles of iron or steel: $5 billion (3.5%)
Fruits, nuts: $3.9 billion (2.7%)
Why are you so mad? Is it because the Turks fucked your ancestors beyond recognition?
>your flag proves you wrong automatically
Not an argument. You literally lived the best under his rule.
Look 45% are you trying to prove my point?
if you haven't lived in a post communist country your opinion gets discared
so either show flag or fuck off
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people tried to increase population because that meant increased productivity in the community and therefore more wealth and better standard of living. Now however we can automate a lot of manual tasks so the benefits of large population disappear and it turns out that in the future less people will be the goal.
>>Ukraine population in 2017
>42,467,037 people
To be fair, this is number without Crimea(around 2.5 mil). They didn't disappear.
But yeah, it's really fucking bad. It's not even migration, but very high death rate and low birth rates.
>No, they just moved.
No, Ukrainians are dying out.
this
what's with her mouth
The point im proving is your shitting on Turkey yet.....who are you? hahahahha you are a literal WHO, I mean what exports does your irrelevant country have? Selling little boys and girls to rich arabs? LOL
Half of the Bulgarians are here, fucking up my country. Instead of trying to fix their shitheap they just want to ruin mine.
Why do you have positive migration?
if you were born into misery, you won't be traumatized by misery. you are used to it.
also non-nigger genes for better adaptation.
Oh hi roach mcmehmet
perfect response, I love it hahaha
enjoy fading into obscurity
yes im sure the pakis and africans have nothing to do with that..
I used to study in the UK, the ones who work and live there are truly the filth of our already proglematic society.