...and those people are out of work? It's going to happen within the next 5-10 years, and it's going to ramp up quickly. I know where I work will be getting rid of any staff that can be replaced with automation, and that goes for other places like fast food joints, banks, factories, shipping, etc. When you have mass unemployment with only a few guys here and there to ensure the AI is running smoothly, will we be forced into a society entirely dependent on the government? Will money even be of importance when the majority of the population cannot make anymore, and those at the top already have all they could ever need? What would it be replaced with - a bartering system?
I honestly have no idea how this will be tackled, but I can guarantee if nothing is done that crime will skyrocket and we will move to a point where the super rich can easily ignore the underclass and watch them wither away into nothing while doing nothing about it.
We've had 100 years of rapid automation already, and we're currently at full employment.
What you're predicting might happen, but not for much longer than just 5-10 years.
Connor Bailey
>It's going to happen within the next 5-10 years, and it's going to ramp up quickly.
This is bullshit, even the most optimistic estimates have it 20 years out.
Blake Mitchell
>>Muh still jobs after the Industrial Revolution so there will always be jobs just because
Just what kind of jobs will tens of millions of nogs and spics be doing that they can do more efficiently and reliably than robots and other automation?
Ian Watson
These things suck and everybody hates using them. They had them for cashiers for like 10 years.
Luke Richardson
Its always worked to where the more automation you have, the more people you need to build, improve, maintain, and monitor the system.
Pretty much the only people affected will be those 40year old McD's workers who cant switch over to an apprenticeship or learn enough to work on the new tech.
Tyler Collins
>Just what kind of jobs will tens of millions of nogs and spics be doing that they can do more efficiently and reliably than mechanized farming equipment? >Just what kind of jobs will tens of millions of nogs and spics be doing that they can do more efficiently and reliably than personal computers?
Daniel Rivera
What happened to all workers at the buggy whip factories once automobiles became common?
Jose Torres
I just used one of these things at a McDonalds in Tucson. The locals were really anti-machines; the line was long and not a single kiosk was being used.
Ayden Rodriguez
But I love the self checkout anyplace I can
John Roberts
I won't have to suffer through broken English to order a meal. Fuck yes.
Evan Scott
maybe if these liberal cucks didnt push for such a ridiculously high minimum wage this wouldn't have happened so fast. we warned them, too
Ethan Barnes
Yeah, I do too. Plus the machines give you options the cashiers don't. Bacon, mayo, ketchup, vegetables, etc. it was a pretty good experience.
Aaron White
Nobody likes using that. You're not making a robot cashier, you're forcing people to be the cashier. A popular store chain in my area had self-checkout machines and they got rid of them because the only people who used them were people who would put "bananas" in for like a bottle of wine or whatever.
Ryder Russell
they used their whips to force factory owners and customers to only use horse buggies
Wyatt King
Really? All people I know love them. You finally see what's hidden in the menu.
Brandon Gutierrez
>ridiculously high minimum wage
With inflation 15 bucks an hour is barely over what it used to be. But you're fine kissing the boot of your oppressor because you'll act like you don't understand the rich 1% (in reality 0.1%) that the left hates is the same elitist kikes you allegedly hate.
Capitalism doesn't work. Socialism isn't better, but what you're defending is the status quo and that isn't capitalism you daft cunt. What you're seeing is the congealing of money and power into feudal levels. Precisely because competition isn't free.
Matthew Cook
That's because they didn't think about the system. Nobody wants to be their own cashier. They want to be served. I remember when I lived in France I went to a pharmacy that had only two people working there. The customer would go up to the pharmacist and tell them their prescription and then a little machine would go downstairs, (it was glass so you could see it working) find the prescription, and bring it back out to the register. Soon they won't even need a pharmacist to press the buttons. Now close your eyes and imagine for a moment: you walk into the grocery store, but it's just an empty waiting room with comfy lounge chairs and some vending machines. You go up to the large touchscreen and select all the things from your list and in a few moments, a robot has retrieved all of your items, bagged them, and placed them inside a glass dumbwaiter. You pay for your groceries and walk out without having to deal with lines or screaming children or spending hours in the store trying to find what you need. I, for one, can't wait.
Logan Foster
>$15/hr is a technical level wage >companies start adding self serving machines >only hire technicians to service machines >people outraged >government officials demand companies to hire an equal or greater amount of humans to self service machines >companies split their franchises into smaller places, but bigger amounts through out cities to avoid the machine tax >people outraged again, 50% live on government aid by now >some begin to create their own companies that only hire humans, but fail soon after >Those with jobs want to raise the minimum to $25/hr >People ask for government aid to work on theaters and other entertainment services because population is getting depressed >The 1% becomes the 0.01% >Mass population becomes violent, begins to steal and kill >Police is low on staff since the minimum is now $35/hr >Water is so expensive is now considered a luxury >Owning a house is a thing of the past or a luxury >Renting can only be done with 10 people living in a two bedroom apartment.
Joseph Cooper
>place your item in the bagging area >place your item in the bagging area >place your item in the bagging area >call attendant for assistance >have to wait 5 minutes for employee to come over since 8 other of these garbage machines have trouble
There is no lineup at these things and you will still lose time wise plus instead of zoning out in the line you are frustrated as fuck
Angel Hall
not within the next 30-50 years.but yeah.it is a huge problemand there is not a single solid idea in my brain to come up with against it.
Dylan Mitchell
I love using these kiosks. Quick, easy, and no need to even talk to the brain dead oxygen thief behind the counter. Once they fully automate the kitchen, I'll be able to order fresh, hot, fast food UNTOUCHED BY HUMAN HANDS!! It'll finally be made properly too, not just thrown into a box by jackoffs who think it's funny.
Joshua Morgan
>But you're fine kissing the boot of your oppressor because you'll act like you don't understand the rich 1% (in reality 0.1%) that the left hates is the same elitist kikes you allegedly hate. I think you've made some assumptions, friend
Asher Wilson
>we're currently at full employment what kind of wage though?
These days an unskilled laborer barely makes enough to survive, let alone support a family. And this is even with all sorts of advantageous tax breaks and policies directed towards their benefit
Nolan Harris
labor moves and they do other shit.
Tyler Peterson
People have been afraid of this for 100+ years, it's never happened and never will. Automation only complements labor it will never replace it. Banks and fast food have had automatic services for years, but people still line up to talk to the real person. Also, low skilled labor jobs will always be around, no one is going to spend 500k on some super sophisticated android to just to pick up trash or move office furniture. Why do that when you can just pay some kid min wage to get it done?
Camden Gray
List companies that make the machines. I want to make $$$ on this
Jose Lee
Maybe yours work differently. There's no "bagging area". Here you have a scroll bar on the left with categories like drinks, burgers, breakfast. Then you just click whatever you want. Then at the end hit the done button and you get a receipt which you need to pay up front while your food is being made.
Jayden Butler
I've thought this myself and I'm currently trying to prepare myself.
William Smith
>it's never happened and never will Yes it has happened. Look at the wages for unskilled labor. They constantly have to bid lower and lower
Angel Harris
The advantageous tax policies that benefit the poor, and allow them to stay in shit tier jobs, actually benefit the employer more than they do the worker. Remember that Walmart "helps" those who qualify for social assistance apply for such programs by providing the forms, sending them in on behalf of the "poor" worker.
Jose Collins
When I was younger and they first came out I worked at a grocery store and all the old people would make them open up lines if only the u scans were open.
They'd seriously leave their cart in the isle if the store refused and say I'm going somewhere with better service that doesnt put young people out of jobs.
The stores usually opened up lanes fast for these people otherwise they'd have to put all their stuff back and be out of money.
The young people didnt give a shit and always just used them.
Tyler Edwards
That will be when the revolution finally starts. Can't wait.
Jonathan Long
Image going back to the grocery store 15 times bc your dumb ass didn't write down what you actually need and you are used to wandering up and down the isles and grabbing things as you see them. Automation can only take you so far.
Julian Robinson
In Canada, you can pay at the kiosk with debit/credit card.
Connor Powell
Your probably not wrong.
Jaxon Lewis
Those machines might replace two or three cashiers.
How is this still a debate?
Aiden Evans
The McDonald's ones break if enough drunk and high University students attempt to use them at 1am
>That's because of unions not automation. Wrong. It's because of a large supply of unskilled laborers. It's why those in power do very minimal about the immigration issue.
Carter Jenkins
No it isn't, it's because while the supply of unskilled laborers has stayed the same or even increased, the demand for unskilled labor is dropping
There is a supply and demand within the human gene pool. And the genes that code for an unskilled or low skilled laborer are no longer in demand. That's why they're under more and more pressure as time goes on. They are being deprived of resources and pushed out of the gene pool
The reason Donald Trump is a billionaire is because the market is telling him to reproduce like crazy
Logan Harris
i love how the jews dont have the foresight to see how unrestrained globalist capitalism will cannibalize itself. hope you guys are ready for French Revolution 2: Electric Boogaloo the old people (boomers) dont do it out of any moral objection to exploitative/questionable business practices, they do it because they're too fucking stupid/blind to work a computer of any kind
Josiah Taylor
NOW IS THE WINTAH OF OUR DISCONTENT !!!
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAAH
Adrian Rodriguez
There are refrigerators nowadays that tell you what you're missing/low on. Hell, in the future I bet they'll sync refrigerators up to grocery store systems so that your shopping list is just sent to the store, money is automatically withdrawn from your account, and the grocery delivery brings it straight to your house or apartment without you having to do a thing. With a subscription to one of the blue apron+myfitnesspal apps there'll probably be the option for you to be sent a variety of ingredients that matches recipes that fit your nutritional needs.
Juan Robinson
why the fuck do you care and what are you gonna do about it. cashiers are faggots and treat customers like trash where i am they need to be replaced immediately
Anthony Thompson
>tfw went to school and got a degree >tfw pursuing additional certification to make myself more marketable and broaden my knowledge >tfw my job is highly likely to be automated away
Landon Thomas
The San Francisco (((Fed))) had a white paper talking about the natural rate of unemployment that came out about a week ago. Their estimate, really more of a meta-estimate culled from lots of other literature, put the natural rate as being between 4.5% and 5.5%. The latest BLS data has national unemployment at 4.4%, so from a technical level the economy is more or less at full employment.
The reality is that number is bullshit. The standard unemployment measure doesn't count a large number of the unemployed and the workforce participation rate is historically very low. A large number of the employed are also working bullshit part time jobs and aren't using their skills to their full potential. Sup Forums loves to shit on liberal arts majors, but there are a huge number of college educated baristas, bar tenders, and uber drivers out there who should be working in middle class jobs.
Best case is that the labor market is getting tighter, so companies are going to start paying better wages. Anecdotally, more companies are saying that they've been giving signing bonuses. A tighter labor market also means that companies are going to be more willing to hire less experienced workers and train them up to the job.
Jeremiah Martinez
you a surgeon? All that will be automated in short time
Thomas Mitchell
Auditor
Grayson Smith
You know the way most countries dont have access to high speed broadband. Countires would have to be totally reconfigured to do this. Not going to happen.
Chase Gomez
>went to school and got a degree >in bookkeeping You made it sound like you were Stephen Hawkins trying to further his knowledge, but you are probably one of those who deserve the worst. The difference a minimum wage person and you is that you just gave it your bare minimum at school.
Nolan Evans
Either we go full ancap and we let the workers argue for their own value on the free market, with every man for himself.
Or we got full fascist and we let the workers work towards the goals of the states, with blind adulation from the population and full state support.
But I'll be damned if I'm going to blindly support and pay for some lazy cunt to do one third of one half of one quarter of one half arsed job while he complains to the state and demands that I pay him more. It's the worst of both worlds. I get less and I pay more.
Jason Morales
>What happens when automation takes over the majority of jobs..
Japan, with its inverse population, will be gravy. The rest of the world, who let in shitskins by the millions, will see riots, chaos, and inevitable collapse.
Ethan Young
I mean, it's not necessarily about how many jobs there are. It's about what price those jobs are available for.
I can always sell out my inventory by dropping the price to $0. We can remain in a state of "full employment", but the wage for low-skilled and unskilled labor is going to keep dropping and dropping, to the point it's no longer economically viable to live on those terms.
Those unskilled laborers are bidding for resources against high skilled labor, elite executives....etc. Yes there are indeed more resources to go around, but their relative share of the pie is dropping even faster than the pie is expanding.
Wealth is shifting up the ladder to a more and more disproportionate extent. We're now at the point where 10 billionaires control more wealth than the bottom 50% of the world. This means that political power is being concentrated in the hands of just a few.
Unless you have a Soros, Zuckerberg, or Adelson sponsoring your movement, it isn't happening. Whether that's a political movement, a social movement, or even some new technology. Got an idea for a new invention? Gotta go grovel before the billionaires. If they don't like you, they'll push through regulations that make your idea impossible.
Jason Watson
Just trying to pass the CPA exam, not claiming to be a genius
But even I am not stupid enough to eat at McDonalds kek
Caleb Miller
What happened when the industrial revolution automated jobs? People found new niches to work in. Remember automation will only take jobs so long as it is cheaper to implement. The more complex the job the more expensive to implement. People can adapt.
Cooper Lewis
Because America and Canada aren't getting the latest generation automatic cashiers.
Look at Japan and South Korea.
Their automation is much more advanced.
Isaac Walker
I wouldn't either if I couldn't afford it.
Christopher Kelly
I order Wingstop online.
It's easier to make complex orders on a machine than making it in person.
Jonathan Harris
Ok so explain to me how an absolute replacement of human labor via AI is on the same level as an advancing technology (that still requires human labor)?
Dylan Wood
>tfw when the future of japan is just going to be a small group of very happy and wealthy people surrounded by amazing technology while the rest of the world is burned to the ground by migrants
Ryan Powell
Daily reminder that if there was no welfare and minimum wage there would be unlimited jobs
Josiah Garcia
Stealing bikes and dealing drugs
Aiden Hernandez
for what wage would those jobs be available though? Not enough to live on
John Ortiz
Automation is still a meme. Grocery store self checks fuck up and go down for updates so often that you still need just as many cashiers as before, if not more.
Nolan Rodriguez
No you are not. No one cares to claim unemployment in America because you don't get anything
Charles Ramirez
Exactly. People can't seem to grasp how different automation is from previous leaps in technology.
Wyatt Hill
>There are refrigerators nowadays that tell you what you're missing/low on Nope, they don't do that fro fresh produce but only for cancer inducing jooshit. It's stil something to aim for, but we're not there yet
Ryder Carter
>Not enough to live on Why not Mass automation will bring prices down
Joseph Young
When automation takes over, service improves and operational costs go down. The unemployed snowflakes can go fuck themselves.
Luke Gonzalez
My contention is that your wage will drop even faster than the price comes down
Think about it this way, there is a supply and demand for human genes. If your genes are not useful in the economy, you will be bred out.
For example, let's say there's a family out there who makes styalized axe heads. Since you were a kid, you've been learning this skill, you have a natural talent for it, it's actually become soft coded into your DNA.
Now all of a sudden, axes go out of style. Now you're forced to transfer to a job that you aren't a good fit for. Maybe you're on an assembly line, or working as a bus-boy. All of your natural talent is going to waste, you will probably be depressed, and be less effective than other people. Thus you will have lower financial success, lower reproductive success, and be bred out of the gene pool.
Now, most skills have a certain amount of transferrability. Let's say I get fired as a landscaper, I can go work as a construction worker. But there are caps on this, in particular with respect to IQ. You simply can't take a 95 IQ farmer's son, move him to the city, and expect him to become a lawyer.
In reality, when these lower class jobs start disappearing, the lower class people that worked them are going to start disappearing too.
Mason King
Pretty much this. There's a lot of things that automation just cannot do. For example, much is made of self-checkout lanes but as you said, there needs to be at least one clerk to keep an eye on the customers and help them out with SNAFUS. However much of the labor at your typical grocery store has to do with stocking the shelves. There is no automation in that. I suspect that the automated features we see at the stores and fast food restaurants aren't so much designed to save labor as they are to minimize the contact between the minimum wage idiot and the customer.
Jacob Butler
What do you think happened to all those surplus horses when cars came along?
Hunter Phillips
>What happens when automation takes over the majority of jobs Science always overhypes progress in order to get more funding. Automation will not happen for higher skill jobs in our working years.
Kevin Scott
>In reality, when these lower class jobs start disappearing but they won't more people will just have domestic help
Jacob Morris
>commies saying this since the 1840s >still waiting pick both
Luke Hall
>implying their domestic help won't be automated checkmate
Sebastian Campbell
We are the horses and the machines are the cars.
Soon, we shall make ourselves obsolete and the few still remaining will live in decadent squalor until their inevitable demise - the machines? Well, they'll work on until they all inevitably break down.
In the end, we'll leave behind a husk of a planet covered in shit, corpses, and busted robots.
Dylan Myers
Glad we got that cleared up
Samuel Brooks
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Kevin Barnes
I know they aren't going to 100% eradicate employees, but what happens when the system goes down? Or when people have a complaint about food? You can't fall back on untrained employees
Cooper Nguyen
Having people is a status symbol Look at all of the things rich people hire humans for even though the machine equivalent is better and cheaper
Isaac Walker
You may be correct to a certain extent, I buy what you're saying.
But think about this. Right now it's the unskilled labor that's under pressure. Soon it will be the skilled labor. Then the technical labor. Then the managerial class is under threat. Eventually, humans themselves will be obsolete.
We'll have artificial brains with IQ's far surpassing any human. We'll people with body modifications that can far surpass any human physically. Cranial implants that grant perfect memory, telepathic communication, boosted IQ levels. Designer babies.
Humans themselves are going obsolete. Not just the lower class people
First, no workes = no consumers = no need for production Second, in the 1900 only men work and they did it for 10-16hs 6 days a week and child labour was common. After the 30' it was Eight hours no child labour. After WWII women entered the work force and now you have 2 people working 8 hs to eran the same as 1 man before. The solution to automations is obvious, lower the working hours for every body as much as needed for full employment. That until the bankers and/or the lizard people decided that the level of the robots is good enough to fully replace us, and them we all become fertilizer...
Adam Perez
>Right now it's the unskilled labor that's under pressure because we have welfare and minimum wage without these wages would be able to come down to market rates
Jacob Edwards
Exploiting holes in the efficiently and reliably than robots and other automation. Probably best to aim at well written phishing e-mails. Also work on your curry nigger tech support accent.
Adrian Ramirez
First automated semis (initially one man driving a fleet of semis trailing behind him, later completely automated), and taxis, those people will be out of work, unskilled, and unhirable. Then the industries that live off of these industries will fall--truck stops, diners, motels, etc.
Then automated cars. No more insurance. No traffic cops. More and more unemployment.
Financial industry will be more and more automated with very simple AIs doing the work of the people in warehouse call centers today.
Amazon keeps fucking killing it, and retail dies. Amazon warehouses and drones require fewer and fewer people.
And it keeps building. It's not just the jobs themselves being replaced, but all the connected jobs that depended on them being lost.
There are few things a person can do that a machine won't be able to in time. Where does that leave us?
We either have welfare for everyone, or have to give out income for some sort of activity, regardless of the uselessness.
I see people ultimately being reduced to filling out surveys and watching ads for a living. That future makes me want to kill myself. I really hope I don't live to see it.
Daniel Russell
the market rate isn't enough to live on, and certainly isn't enough to support a family on.
No family = your genes die.
Blake Young
>the market rate isn't enough to live on because welfare keeps prices up
Brayden Wright
Bwhahaha please show your flag, I'm curious what country has the worst education system in the world.
Nathan Evans
15% of the population is retarded and with immigration that percentage is only going to increase.
I would not worry about complex technical computer displays standing in between sales and dumb niggers. You ever see one try to use a self checkout? It's a goddamned embarrassment to the human race. It'll never catch on. They will ALWAYS need people to take the dumb nigger's orders one way or another.
Ryan Hall
This may have been true of the Industrial revolution, but in this case, machines will be able to fill every niche. Whereas you could use a mechanical adding machine for a few things, replacing human calculators, today you can use your smartphone for all sorts of things. That's the difference.
Gabriel Fisher
Silicon chips are not a good example to go off of. Look instead to our energy generation. nearly 300 years now and we've not found anything better than boiling water.
Jaxson Rivera
>The unemployed snowflakes can go fuck themselves.
