please give me some reasons for and against voting for gay marriage. And I will way the pros and cons up then decide how I will vote.
If you don't give any pros for gay marriages then I will know you're a biased brainlet.
Please give me some reasons for and against voting for gay marriage...
Adam Stewart
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Jason Jackson
pro: higher taxes, serfs more reliant on government
con: it's a social cliché and it's fucking stupid. people get divorced they should be allowed to murder eachother since * * LEGALLY THEY ARE ONE PERSON * * oh please.
Nolan Gray
if you don't give me any cons then i'll know you're a biased faggot
Brody Reed
Homophobia will still exist.
Easton Watson
>pros
Virtue signaling, "equality"
>cons
Forces churches at gunpoint to marry fags, forces Christans to provide services against their will, fags get tax money, and have access to foster boys to rape.
Tyler Martinez
in my opinion marriage is purely a religious thing. Hence why you get married in a church. And religions that believe in marriage are all against homosexuality so it becomes quite hypocritical for you to want to get married and be a homo. And there's nothing I hate more than a hypocrite.
Alexander Sullivan
that's a sarcastic pro though hence the quotation marks
John Rogers
Same sex 'marriage' is cultural appropriation. You cannot be a left wing asshole complaining about cultural appropriation AND demand it at the same time.
When you have a shower in the morning you are not having a 'baptism'
When you eat pizza shapes you are not having 'communion'
Why? because Baptism, Communion AND Marriage are all religious acts, based on specific rules in THEIR CULTURES.
just because you adopt the terminology, or it becomes popular to use, does not give you a right to dictate how the specific rules of the cultural acts work.
Jacob Mitchell
Because its already fucking allowed under civic unions. Literally no other reason for this vote other than getting a ONE UP on the religious crowd
0 absolutely ZERO point.
Zachary Johnson
One legal system for all parties involved so the children of gay couples are treated equally to those of straight couples.
Estimated 10k gay couples with children in Australia right now.
Civil unions have different requirements per state. I can enter into de facto relationships but those appear to REQUIRE children and the rules vary by state. If I move, my de facto partnership is dissolved, whereas a marriage is federal law and accepted in all Australian states.
De facto partnerships are not recognized abroad, and if I am gay and my partner or child dies abroad, not being married will complicate matters.
Essentially there is no good argument for having two separate legal systems, one with widely variable rules in each separate state, one with consistent federal rules for gays vs straight couples with children, unless you are arguing the children of gays are less deservingly of being held to the same legalities as that of straight couples.
Separate but equal is inherently unequal.
Connor Flores
gay marriage is a stepping stone
all other forms of lgbt degeneracy follow, because they need something to advocate for. It's an industry.
it's never enough, so if you're in a position to halt them from moving forward to the next item on their agenda, take it
Jaxon Wood
So work on the civil union laws instead of corrupting a religious word to the point it literally violates the original practices of said religions?
Oliver Martin
this is why
Levi Lopez
Should states be allowed to pass marriage laws if they want to? Currently NSW is not allowed to pass a marriage law, whereas Queensland could not do so.
Bentley Sullivan
and this
Ayden Jenkins
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Gavin Turner
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Jaxson Taylor
How is that an argument against allowing gay males to enter monogamous legal pairings?
Cooper Watson
I like how you used the flag of faggots to discuss fag marriage
Mason Martinez
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Luke Parker
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Brody Barnes
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Aiden Baker
Depends on what the people of that state want. Not what a particular group or sect want.
William Hall
i think i like this point. You want homosexuals to remain under the radar. You should accept that they exist but other than that you don't really want to hear about them or see them as an equal to 'normal' and 'non genetically fucked' people. I think the public opinion should be that we tolerate them but we don't approve of them.
But I also like this point. I think gay people should be allowed children and that they should be given equal rights to non-gay people with respect to raising children and what-not.
Cameron Reed
because they don't actually do monogamous pairings, they fuck all over the place. like half have had over 1000 partners, no joke.
Luke Mitchell
Voting no gives us a nice big serving of salty faggot and liberal tears. You need no other reason.
Jacob Kelly
okay this one has an actual argument against homosexual marrage.
my.mixtape.moe
Jose Russell
Open this pastebin, read it, and try to pretend youre still pro-gay.
Leo Parker
>Forces churches at gunpoint to marry fags, forces Christans to provide services against their will
Are american marriages still done in churches? Isn't there a public office for that?
Nicholas Smith
They already have all of that, except for the Church part
Jackson Gonzalez
Pros: they stop bitching about this particular issue, get to experience the miseries of marriage
Cons: left wing trash will count it as a win, they will believe it is because they lash out at anyone who disagrees, positive reinforcement for shitty behaviour. Legitimizes their relationships more in adoption agencies which in turn increases the chance of adoption and subsequent diddling
Oliver Gutierrez
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Christian Fisher
faggot.
James Hughes
Slippery Slope: (technically a logical fallacy, but we have evidence), it paves the way for increasing amounts of gay adoption, and since in the united stats the gay community accounts for 3% of the population while being 40% of the pedophiles...you get the picture.
>but you take a chance with everyone, not just gay couples!
One is an impossible to avoid fact of life, the other is Russian roulette, almost literally.
Gay marriage in itself is irrelevant, but the incremental nature of "progress" (regression) means that this is just another step on the road. Look at canada: the state can(is obligated to) now take away a child (of any age) if they complain that their parents aren't respecting their gender identity. The progression is always the same
>run of the mill gay rights> transsexual rights>disassociating gender with biology+dissasociating sexual attraction with morality
You can see where this is going, and this isn't just hysterical preaching. This all isn't the extreme fringe in universities, it is the standard being pandered to by the university administration itself, which historically speaking means its no more than 10 years away from becoming a mainstream view in the society as a whole.
Vote no, but your vote is meaningless, it will pass with a large majority irregardless, but do it anyway to not give this sjw types and other scum the satisfaction of a crushing victory if that is at all possible.
Jason Sanchez
The best pro is they will get to have divorce and alimony payments. Lol
Thomas Sanders
queerty.com
The study, titled “Choices: Perspectives of Younger Gay Men on Monogamy, Non-monogamy and Marriage,” was conduced by researchersBlake Spears and Lanz Lowen. They surveyed over 800 single, monogamously-coupled, and non-monogamously coupled gay menages 18-40 years about their relationships. A handful of “monogamish” men were also interviewed.
“The most striking finding of this study is younger gay men’s greater inclination toward monogamy,” the researchers report. “We see this in the overwhelming number of relationships that are monogamous (86percent). In addition, 90percentof the single younger gay men were seeking monogamy. This is a sea change compared to older generations of gay men.”
Easton Torres
Entsch’s bill sets out protections for religious freedom, by stating that ministers of religion can refuse to solemnise a same-sex marriage if the religion only allows heterosexual couples to marry.
Civil celebrants who register as “religious marriage celebrants’’ may also refuse to marry gay couples.
The loophole extends to businesses owned by religious groups, such as schools, halls or catering facilities.
In line with existing anti-discrimination law, any refusal must conform to the “doctrines, tenets or beliefs’’ of the religion and be necessary to “avoid injury to the susceptibilities of adherents to that religion’’.
It stops short of shielding other businesses from an anti-discrimination claim if they refuse to serve same-sex couples on the grounds of a “conscientious objection’’.
Jeremiah Wood
>3% of the population while being 40% of the pedophiles
citation?
Tyler Allen
If you want to save the White race from extinction , vote No.
its really as simple as that.
Julian Roberts
You know if you live with someone (of opposite sex) after 3 years your considered married in the eyes of the law?
It's called 'Common Law Marriage'
It entitles your 'partner' to 50% of all your shit, just like a real marriage.
Now change the laws so that same sex marries can be 'married'... BAM! flatmate dudes are suddenly suing each other over property and trying to get gibs off rich housemates.
the death of the share-house.
James Reed
Daniel Bennett
What if you move states?
Levi Taylor
Gay marriage is a constitution changer.
(((They))) will use this to get rid of compulsory voting.
Screen cap this post
Jeremiah Diaz
Still a pro.
That's a "civil union".
Jeremiah Clark
Does the name marriage confer enhanced social status?
Ryan Howard
I'd prefer non compulsory voting, most faggots wouldn't vote.
Easton Lopez
>>/lgbt/ faggot
Jaxon Moore
thats called a survey, not a vote.
Logan Butler
if a priest is willing to marry them of his own volition theres nothing wrong with that
theres shouldnt be any reason they cant at least get a secular wedding
Ryder Richardson
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>The institute, after reviewing more than 19 studies and peer-reviewed reports in a 1985 "Psychological Reports" article, found that homosexuals account for between 25 and 40 percent of all child molestation.
>"But this number is low," Baldwin says, "due to the fact that many reporters will not report if a child molester is a homosexual, even if he knows that to be the case."
Use a search engine other than google, it intentionally hides pages and opinions that go against it's political agenda, assuming you want to go into it more.
Connor Harris
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About 60% of the male survivors sampled report at least one of their perpetrators to be female.
-Mendel, 1993.
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3/4 victims of molestation are female:
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"A 2015 study (linked above) looked at virtually every substantiated child sexual abuse case reported to child protective services in the United States in 2010. It concluded more than 20% of child sexual abuse cases reviewed involved a primary female perpetrator – so estimates vary significantly."
Angel Fisher
Try to remember the last time you were negatively affected by a person's sexuality.
People in this thread are pretending that legalizing gay marriage will flood the street with sexual deviants, raping children and spreading AIDS.
In reality, the only thing legalizing gay marriage will do, is allow people to go to a courthouse and marry whoever they love, regardless of gender.
It will not make rape any less illegal
It will not make pedophilia socially acceptable
It will not increase the spread of HIV
It will not affect you in anyway.
Easton Long
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Jonathan Myers
oh god it's back and it's copypasting its stupid fucking replies again
Landon King
Because those 19 studies using scientific methodology to collect samples and statistics are wrong, it's these intentionally biased opinion pieces that are right!
>3/4 victims of molestation are female:
Of those reported.
>all that other shit
If you're going to make a point, don't post the same shit over and over that's been copied and pasted just to make it seem like you have a massive amount of support for your position, when it's mostly anecdotes and individual cases.
Tyler Ortiz
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Brody Sanders
Fags are stupid. You have a get out of marriage card for fucking free and you want to get rid of it. I think all the shit on your dicks has gone to your heads.
Nathaniel Hernandez
2/3 of all convicted child molesters are married or were married. Assuming that most of these people are in heterosexual marriages because gay marriage is so new, that would mean most child molesters are married to female. Even if you assume then they are disproportionately molesting males, isn't that an argument for gay marriage so they won't be so sexually frustrated stuck with females?
Dylan Gomez
>child sex offenders are more likely to have been sexually abused as a child
>gays also more likely to have been sexually abused as a child
A pattern emerges, thanks for walking right into that.
One possibly biased opinion on the use of speech is irrelevant to the statistics and raw data gathered.
You aren't very smart at arguing a point are you? Just post enough shit to spam your opponent out of the argument. Cite data, not anecdotes and not opinions. Verifiable facts.
Joshua Wright
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Jacob Hall
>what is maths
2/3 are or have been married. In a group sample where everyone that was straight and in a relationship gets married. That means that~33% aren't or havent been married. That fits specifically with my citation of percentages earlier. Once again, you walk straight into it.
The correlation-causation argument only works if there is no link between the two points. Me saying that gays are far more likely to be pedophiles, and then you saying that pedophiles are more likely to have been sexually abused as a child and me repeating that gays are more likely to have been sexually abused as a child ARE ALL DIRECTLY LINKED.
Thanks, try again.
Jordan Cruz
So you think ALL of the molesters who aren't married are homosexual? Any source for that?
Using the fixated-regressed distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) studied 175 adult males who were convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child. None of the men had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation. 83 (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in sex on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..." (p.180).
Xavier Carter
Other researchers have taken different approaches, but have similarly failed to find a connection between homosexuality and child molestation. Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% of cases in which an adult molester could be identified – only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994).
In yet another approach to studying adult sexual attraction to children, some Canadian researchers observed how homosexual and heterosexual adult men responded to slides of males and females of various ages (child, pubescent, and mature adult). All of the research subjects were first screened to ensure that they preferred physically mature sexual partners. In some of the slides shown to subjects, the model was clothed; in others, he or she was nude. The slides were accompanied by audio recordings. The recordings paired with the nude models described an imaginary sexual interaction between the model and the subject. The recordings paired with the pictures of clothed models described the model engaging in neutral activities (e.g., swimming). To measure sexual arousal, changes in the subjects' penis volume were monitored while they watched the slides and listened to the audiotapes. The researchers found that homosexual males responded no more to male children than heterosexual males responded to female children (Freund et al., 1989).
Logan Martin
Against gay marriage, because when gay marriage became legal in America the SJW and LGBT started to push this 50+ genders bullshit and some have even started to fight for pedophile rights. The slippery-slop.
Gavin Gonzalez
Man fucks boy=not gay
Man fucks tranny=not gay
Man fucks man=gay
It's all gay. Stop making shit up
Tyler Wood
Look at recent history, look at everywhere it has been imposed. It's been an indefensible slippery slope. It really was just to hammer Christians with, no huge army of monogamous fags are just waiting for this. As soon as they get this they move on to the next thing.
Parker Campbell
good point. if a man is attracted to a man, he's probably also attracted to boys too.
Joshua Moore
>So you think ALL of the molesters who aren't married are homosexual? Any source for that?
THat's not how statistics work.
>None of the men had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation. 83 (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals.
You might have me there. I stated specifically that it was "gays" that did it, and not "Non-heterosexuals". I determine that anyone that has a sexual preference other than exclusively the opposite sex has homosexual tendencies and lump them into "non-heterosexual". You can claim that I am shifting the goalpost if you like, but the argument remains the same, even if the semantics are slightly changed. You can disagree with that though, I don't care.
>To measure sexual arousal, changes in the subjects' penis volume were monitored while they watched the slides and listened to the audiotapes. The researchers found that homosexual males responded no more to male children than heterosexual males responded to female children (Freund et al., 1989).
There are more elements than just the possible sexual partner to determine. A significant part of many sexual encounter by one party is determined by dominance and power. Using a study to measure ONLY visual attraction to what is essentially a hypothetical doesn't discount the actual statistics of the abused itself.
(speculation:) Perhaps the gay community has a lower ability for self control when the situation arises, I don't know. But if that is the case, and you're right about the attraction part, then the question arises: why is it that gays have a lower ability for self control (on average) as a group?
Irregardless, both of what you have posted isn't necessarily relevant to the statistics in play.
Daniel Young
okay, so they're basically just screaming out for attention and approval from others? well that settles it, i'm voting no.
Adam Watson
i asked my dad why he's voting no and he said 'I don't want to get into. it's just a big no from me'.
Grayson Hill
psychologytoday.com
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
One study asked heterosexal men how comfortable and anxious they are around gay men. Based on these scores, they then divided these men into two groups: men that are homophobic, and men who are not. These men were then shown three, four-minute videos. One video depicted straight sex, one depicted lesbian sex and one depicted gay male sex. While this was happening, a device was attached to each participant's penis. This device has been found to be triggered by sexual arousal, but not other types of arousal (such as nervousness, or fear - arousal often has a very different meaning in psychology than in popular usage).
When viewing lesbian sex and straight sex, both the homophobic and the non-homophobic men showed increased penis circumference. For gay male sex, however, only the homophobic men showed heightened penis arousal.
Heterosexual men with the most anti-gay attitudes, when asked, reported not being sexually aroused by gay male sex videos. But, their penises reported otherwise.
Homophobic men were the most sexually aroused by gay male sex acts.
Owen Reyes
I'll have a reasoned discussion with you when you learn the difference between "weigh" and "way" you ignorant cunt.
Kayden White
You missed the point. Sexual arousal by something doesn't imply that you will inherently act on said arousal. arousal and willingness to perform sexual acts are two entirely separate areas of study and understanding, even if they are linked.
Christopher Gomez
i never said either of those words
Wyatt Miller
Right, so homophobic men don't act on their gay interests.
Easton Turner
>Right, so homophobic men don't act on their gay interests.
What the fuck are you talking about now? Can't win an argument with overwhelming information, so now you switch to blatant confusion and changed topics? I won't waste my time any more then.
Jack King
what does Sup Forums think of this?
reddit.com
first subreddit i'll be looking at in my life. im about to start reading.
Benjamin Long
Homophobic men exhibit more arousal to gay porn.
Grayson Davis
>And I will way the pros and cons up then decide how I will vote.
Your punctuation is getting even worse m8. Might be time to hang up the boots and let fitter, younger players take the pitch....
Here's a point for you tho - poofs have had for decades EXACTLY the same rights (legal and civil) as the rest of us.
> The law requires that you and your former partner, who may be of the same or opposite sex, had a relationship as a couple living together on a genuine domestic basis.
familycourt.gov.au
In light of that how is having a marriage certificate anything more than purely semantics?
Xavier Hughes
mhamic.org
This study examined men’s heterosexual attraction to adult women and prepubescent girls. The 80 men were recruited through newspaper advertisements, and therefore were not necessarily representative of the general population. Their average age was 38, and their average IQ was 110. Fifty-two were Caucasian and 25 were African American. Twenty-eight were never married, 26 were married, and 26 were separated, divorced, or widowed.
The researchers administered questionnaires to determine the men’s sexual orientation and sexual behavior. Seventy-nine of the 80 subjects indicated at least some sexual interest in adult women, and all 80 subjects reported that they had engaged in sexual acts with adult women. Sixteen of the 80 subjects (20%) admitted at least some interest in prepubescent girls, and 3 subjects (4%) admitted to engaging in sexual behavior with them.
The researchers also presented visual and audio sexual stimuli to the subjects, and measured their response using the penile plethysmograph. Visual stimuli consisted of slides of nude prepubescent girls, nude adult women, and clothed prepubescent girls. Audio stimuli consisted of audio-taped descriptions of consenting sexual intercourse with a woman, consenting sexual intercourse with a prepubescent girl, the rape of an unwilling girl, and nonsexual physical violence against an unwilling girl.
Twenty-six subjects (33%) exhibited sexual arousal to the child slides that equaled or exceeded their arousal to the adult slides. Twenty-one subjects (26%) exhibited sexual arousal to the child consenting tapes that equaled or exceeded their arousal to the adult consenting tapes.