I'm reading HxH and just got to Kurapika and Uvogin's fight. Just how exactly is this shit even fair?

I'm reading HxH and just got to Kurapika and Uvogin's fight. Just how exactly is this shit even fair?

It's not, that the point.

>special fantasy race has special fantasy powers
It's not fair but that's how magic works.

It's kind of misleading anyway, he can get to 100% of his own personal ability cap as per the hexagon but that isn't max level in general.

Specialization is always broken for default in some way or another.

His most powerful abilities can only be used against his chosen enemy. Assuming he defeats them, the power that he's dedicated to those abilities is probably sacrificed.

That's why he was able to get such a powerful result when he made the skill -- it's very restrictive and risky.

Only Chain Jail is broken.

He can only kill 13 people with those powers.

He created his abilities specifically to kill the shit out of thirteen specific people, they won't be nearly as effective on the rest of the world.

The main cast in HxH is broken beyond belief. Gon, Killua, Kurapika and Leorio are all geniuses who learned and mastered nen in just a few months.

>He hasn't read the part that explains Emperor Time in detail, making it far less OP than it initially sounds

It's time to keep reading the manga OP

Can someone explain to me why Kurapika is always thought of as being feminine? He looks pretty damn manly to me.

>Gon, Killua, Kurapika and Leorio are all geniuses
One of those is not like the others. One of those doesn't belong. Do you know which?

personality wise, yeah, he is male af
but he is drawn in a feminine way

>Not one of those guys can use En
>masters

wut

And are still inferior to the majority of their peers, mentors and enemies. They lose all the fucking time, when they win it's usually a minor victory or thoroughly planned out in advance.

Do you think Leorio will make it to end of HxH... I feel like at some point he will die ... ;_;

Plot twist. Leorio is the only one of the original 4 left alive by the end of the manga and he is the sole protagonist of the final arc.

...and he defeated Hisoka instead Gon in the final chapters.

it would be mindblowing... Togashi tried something like this with YYH and the final tornament... it was ogre...

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holy fuck these threads are cancer, fuck right off to reddit.

Its not meant to be that is why Specialist are in a class of their own and cannot be properly categorized.

Retards only one of his skills is limited in use.

I don't get why people keep thinking all his abilities are only for the troupe.

We don't even know what his final chain does.

Chain Jail is the one people always complain about. The others are pretty simple in terms of power, though they can be used for really bullshit results like lie detection and location of items.

It's just as retarded to think that Pika is OP because he can use the other abilities on everyone.

I never said he is OP

But people need to stop thinking he can't do shit when facing other opponents.

His Emperor Time is still ridiculous

It's really not. That is if you've read the manga and know how it REALLY functions.

I've read the manga. Its still ridiculous

Not as ridiculous as the OP image assumes it to be but it lets him do things no other conjurer can do.

That's because he's more than a conjurer. Yes it still gives him an edge, but if it didn't then what would be the point? Pika still has to train just as much as anyone else to get better. It just lets him lift the handicaps once he's done all the hard work.

Again. No one said he never had to train.

Point is he can fight more than just troupe members with his abilities.

Aren't the Zoldycks also genetically strong anyway?
This world is supposedly huge. There should be tons of such families.

It's strong, but not nearly as OP as people seem to think. First of all, he still has to train and learn all the techniques normally, so he's putting in the same work as everyone else for each skill he trains in. On top of that, he only "unlocks" those extra skills when his eyes change, which requires a strong emotional feeling, a lot of energy, and can't be used that often or too long. Yeah, he gets all 5 types at once, but only in short bursts and he still has to actually train in them all. It's not even that much better than going all-in for whatever specialization he happens to have naturally, or going mostly-in for his natural one and partly-in on the two next to it. 80% of his training is going to be useless outside of "super mode", and 15% of it is also that conditional spider shit, he really only gets to use 5% of his power most of the time.

He's good, but not nearly broken.

Kurapika is a bad character.

He can fight more than just troupe members, but I don't see that as a problem as long as he's not nearly as OP when fighting other people. Pound for pound I'd still say both Gon is better than him along with everyone better than Gon, which is a good number of people.

I don't see Gon and Killua being better than him right now.

I don't think it was ever stated that the Zoldycks are genetically strong. They just have a unique and strict training regiment that makes them stronger. The Kurta are a different story entirely. They're possibly a subspecies of human [as those are confirmed to exist on the DC and thus are possibly from the DC themselves.]

His read-eyes makes him special like Gon and Kurapika which stems from their lineage.

And unlike Kurapika which focus all his nen abilities to capture and defeat and survive Spider at penalty of death.
Most nen-users don't and thats a big difference. And most nen-users build their abilities as wish fulfillment. Such Biscuits rejuvenation and Chrollos desire to get many abilities. The exemption of course are reinforcement types who just like to be strong.

Are you kidding? Killua literally counters Kurapika's entire ability set and Kurapika is yet to have physical feats that would put him as above Gon.

Your numbers are bullshit and he learned to switch his eyes red during his nen training.

Even so I agree he isn't OP. But with training he has immense potential.

Gon and Killua are the kind of people who train to crazy power levels overnight. Like, Killua developed an extremely powerful ability around turning his aura into electricity, and that was in a single night. They both have absolutely massive potential, it's silly powerful.

We have yet to see Kurapika since Yorknew be in any fights.

Kurapika with Emperor time took a full power shot from Uvogin.

Uvogin is in no way weaker than Gon.

Both Gon and Killua are still in the infancy of their nen. Killua can barely keep his lighting up and Gon only got Jajanken down and it still took too long to charge.

Yes they have ridiculous max potential. But that is potential in the future not NOW.

Killua learned to turn his nen into electricity over the course of a few days, but it was an ability years in the making due to his assassin training. As well it took him weeks more training on Greed Island to actually weaponize this ability.

He doesn't have control over when his eyes turn red, does he? Its just when hes emotional. Plus, iirc it leaves him very tired. Combined with the fact that its a special race-locked trait makes it pretty fair game.

The chain jail works on like 13/6billion people in the world.

He learned to switch his eyes... by forcing himself to get emotional.

He has huge potential, but yeah that's for pretty much every specialist, especially the ones where the specialization is "if you put in hard work, you get consistently stronger even past normal limits", which is what Kurapika has and to a smaller degree what Gon and Killua seem to have in the areas they focus in.

>Kurapika with Emperor time took a full power shot from Uvogin.
Which he block and the same time broke his arm.

>Kurapika with Emperor time took a full power shot from Uvogin.

You either haven't read the manga or have forgotten the details of that fight. Kurapika cannot sustain a full on hit from a Big Bang Impact. Kurapika was gearing up to dodge before the hit so he massively decreased the amount of damage he took. Had he tried to take it head on his spine would have snapped.

He learned to control how to turn his eyes red pretty early on. I think he demonstrated it for Gon, Killua, and Leorio during the auctions arc.

Yes he blocked it and ONLY got a broken arm.

Gon and Killua would have died if they got hit by Uvogin.

Yes user. Point is
>Kurapika is yet to have physical feats that would put him as above Gon.

Which is incorrect clearly.

>Which is incorrect clearly.
How do you know? How do you know that Palace Invasion Gon wouldn't have gotten off with a broken arm from a massively decreased Big Bang Impact?

It wasn't just "blocked it", it was "he dodged a powerful attack, so only part of the full power hit him, and then he blocked the remaining part perfectly, used max nen to shield his arm, and it still completely ruined his arm". The only reason he survived was because he already had his chains set up, so he had as much free time as he needed to heal his arm and regenerate nen without needing to continue the fight. If it hit anything important like his head or body, it would have killed him instantly even though a maximum nen shield block.

Eh he's not that strong against anything apart from spiders and he'd be fucked against multiple spiders. Killua in chimera ant arc could probably kill him.

Chain Jail is the only one that's really broken since it forced people into a state where their nen was essentially turned off.

>Yes he blocked it and ONLY got a broken arm.
Because Uvo is not that fast and his vision was obstructed. He was basically just lashing out and Pika got hit. Besides thats the shot Uvo gave since Pika used his setsu anti-nen chain.

>Gon and Killua would have died if they got hit by Uvogin
Moot. Since they would have never fought.
Yet Gon and Killua already took on full power reinforcement attack and survive. So its a good chance they can survive one attack at least.

Palace invasion Gon could not even deal with Knuckle.

Just because Gon was mad doesn't mean he some how was more powerful than he actually was.

>Palace invasion Gon could not even deal with Knuckle.

Its been a while so correct me if Im wrong but wasn't the condition for Gon to coming was to defeat Knuckle.

And they failed, but they still let him go along afterwards.

Gon didn't defeat Knuckle.

Knuckle and Shoot brought Zombie Kite back to the city for them.

I wonder if Kurapica will kill Killua"s brother from the troupe.

What do you think about?

The adaptions.

Prob not. Kalluto is only there for personal reasons.

Yeah they only let them join afterwards because they kinda needed all the help they could get given their limited resources.

There are plenty of limitations that stop him being too strong but even if we conclude he's OP for the sake of discussion, can anyone actually say that his powers have ever hurt the story in any way? He could be all powerful but if all he does is political subterfuge and chase eyes off panel, his abilities don't affect the plot at all. The plot isn't just a series of power based match ups, the only time he seriously trashed an opponent it was a great scene that developed the story in a beneficial way.

He's meant to be HxH's Kurama.

Gon wasn't so much weaker than Knuckle that he couldn't knock him out with a well placed Jajanken. That being said it is true that Gon was never going to beat Knuckle, but the strength of Jajanken is telling of how good his Ko would be if used defensively. I don't see why Kurapika would be hitting harder than Knuckle either.

The majority of their peers are the strongest people in the world. I mean Gon got to Killua's level in a month or so, and that guy's one of the most dangerous assassins on earth.

Chairman election Leorio's probably stronger than one of the 10 beasts.

You realize Jajaken is weak because he needs to charge it and assume his opponent will just stand still.

Think about ALL the times he has ever used that skill and the circumstances around his opponents actually getting hit.

Man Gon's signature attack is so goddamn shit because he telegraphs the fuck out of it. Everyone with half a brain can see it coming from a mile away, even with the alternate forms they can infer that it'll have 3 versions since it's just a rock paper scissors attack from his chant.

That's not my point in bringing it up. My point is that it's strength shows that Gon can be respectably powerful when focusing his entire aura into one point. Gon's also covered the weakness of Jajanken a few times as well through clever use of strategy and other abilities. Beyond that, he can actually move while charging Jajanken.

>Common sense
>in Sup Forums
SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LEAVE NOW

>Not having common sense
>Being a touhou

Knuckle and Shoot were just unimportant, low level hunters without stars who were still being mentored. The entire point of their fighting was to put Gon and Killua's relative lack of power in perspective, even if they're better than most people it doesn't matter because the people actually interacting with them are superior.

I don't recall him moving and using Jajanken. I know he can move and use paper/scissors. Both of which are weaker than jajanken.

The only reason Morel at less then 40% was weary of taking the Jajanken to the gut was because he told Gon he would just stand there and let him hit.

I'm not doubting how strong the hit actually is since he is concentrating his aura.

He moved while charging it during his fight with the Owl and Bat chimera ants. Morel also wasn't the only one sweating when Gon's Jajanken flared up that time.

I highly doubt it since he knows Kalluto had nothing to do with the massacre, but I'm sure he'd defend himself if Kalluto attacked.

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WE'RE LOSING HIM
WHAT'S HIS PULSE? DAMMIT, HIS PULSE, NOW!

i wouldnt say it was a power imbalance, but an experience one. Gon and Killua are kids that had super undeveloped techniques compared to the significantly older and practiced professionals

>people still thinks Kurapika isn't OP
>can heal a broken arm in an instant
>chain jail for the spiders
>can locate most people with his powers
>lie detector
>emperor time
>JUDGEMENT CHAIN

Fuck you I chuckled.

>Implying Judgement Chain can work on people not in zetsu

You're a funny one user.

Any good battle specialist will slap the shit out of him.
Try healing when your skull has a hole the size of your leg.

Except it can you nerd

Name me one time when Judgement chain was used on someone not either forced into zetsu or in a situation where they would willingly be in zetsu. Nay, name me a time when Kurapika even attempted to use Judgement Chain on someone who would have had their nen defenses up at the time.

That's retarded.

He's used it twice in the manga. Doesn't mean he can't use it otherwise. He has never stated any rule about it needing Zetsu. That is you speculating.

Die already frogposter.

It's called subtlety user. Kurapika has used Judgement Chain 3 times and considered using 3 other times and all six of these instances fall under the criteria I laid out.

Ask yourself this. If Judgement Chain is as powerful as you say, don't you find it odd that Kurapika only uses it as sparingly as he does? Why doesn't he just abuse the hell out of it? Now think beyond even that. The condition for using Judgement Chain is that Kurapika be in Emperor Time, but as we learned in Yorknew, this a skill he learned to control. If that's the case, then why don't you think everyone is walking around with abilities of Judgement Chain's nature? If it's that easy to make an execute then there should be "Judgment Chain" users around every corner. But you don't see them. Why do you think that is? It's because it's not as OP as you think and the true,clear, and logical answer has been staring you in the face the entire time. Togashi just decided to "show" it instead of "tell" it.

There is no need to be upset my friend. I'm just trying to bring Pepe back home where he belongs. With the people who truly understand him.

What sort of retarded backward logic are you trying to use here?

Why don't we see more people using nen with the properties of rubber and gum? Hisoka seems to be man handling people with it in public no less.

Nen takes form depending on the user and yes his Judgement chain cannot be used willy nilly but NOTHING says he needs the enemy to be under zetsu to use it. That is your argument and its false.

The enemy does however need to be off guard or incapacitated to use it properly both of which can happen without Zetsu.

This is also Yorknew Kurapika we are talking about. We do not know how his training has progressed in the months since then.

>Why doesn't he just abuse the hell out of it?
Judgement Chain is his last resort user. You don't see shounen protags using their strongest moves all of the time don't you?

>If that's the case, then why don't you think everyone is walking around with abilities of Judgement Chain's nature? If it's that easy to make an execute then there should be "Judgment Chain" users around every corner.

Judgement Chain requires the use of Manipulation, Emission, and Conjuration at the same time which is fucking impossible unless you're from Kurapika's clan.

Did Hisoka honestly think he could take on Netero in the hunter exams, or did he just not give a fuck?

He didn't give a fuck.

He just wants to fight strong people.

>Why don't we see more people using nen with the properties of rubber and gum? Hisoka seems to be man handling people with it in public no less.

You've missed the point entirely. The point isn't that there aren't enough people copying Judgement Chain, it's that there aren't people with abilities just as powerful as Judgement Chain. It's true that nen abilities take form based on the user, but there's nothing particular about Judgement Chain that would warrant it being as powerful as you think it is. Bungee Gum is not in the same category. Bungee Gum is an incredibly simple ability. It's only good on Hisoka because he knows how to improvise with it so well. There's no real incentive to make something of its nature. Judgement Chain is different however. If what you're saying is true, then something of it's nature is low hanging fruit. You don't need to be skilled to use it because it works on everyone. I'm not calling foul and saying that everyone should have the exact same ability as Judgement Chain. But competitive nature dictates that everyone should be walking around with something just as powerful if what you say is true.

>The enemy does however need to be off guard or incapacitated

In what way could this be done without the opponent having their nen down? If you caught while they were sipping coffee, they'd be in zetsu. If they were knocked out, they'd be in zetsu. It all still points to Judgement Chain being ineffective against those with their nen defenses up.

>This is also Yorknew Kurapika we are talking about. We do not know how his training has progressed in the months since then.

You're the one speculating now user.

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Just stop

Yorknew clearly shows that hunters/nen users are not in Zetsu when they are fucking casually doing anything. Matter of fact Killua stated being in Zetsu while tailing the troupe members was a stupid idea since they would feel that.

>Judgement Chain is his last resort user
How? Kurapika isn't the type to skimp on something this OP. He's not stupid. If he has the ability to bend any and everyone to his whim you're damn right he's going to use it. Do you honestly believe he holds back on it because of something as baseless as a shounen cliche. You're more off base than the other guy.

>Judgement Chain requires the use of Manipulation, Emission, and Conjuration at the same time which is fucking impossible unless you're from Kurapika's clan.

That's just so it can be used at range. I'm not saying that everyone should have abilities EXACTLY like judgement chain. What I'm saying is that if sticking something in someone's body and forcing you to their whim is this easy, then you should see abilities that implement his kind of rule all the time. Bringing up things about the range of said ability is just shifting the goalpost.

Netero is good at hiding his aura.

>Yorknew clearly shows that hunters/nen users are not in Zetsu when they are fucking casually doing anything.

Then they're using Ten, but as stated in Heaven's Arena Ten is pretty useless against defending physical nen attacks. In the wake of a nen attack (Judgement Chain), being in Ten might as well mean you're defenseless.

Nen is based on the user. You can't just fucking make up an ability willy nilly. The only reason Kurapika has multiple chains he can use the way he can is thanks to Emperor Time.

Pitou can make puppets out of corpes aka controlling people

Lion King ant could use other peoples nen abilities

It just depends on their personalities and how the nen takes form.

You're still avoiding the main question. "If an ability that can make such strict rules on another person so that death will befall them if they disobey requires so few restrictions to make, then why doesn't everyone have such a skill?" That is the question. What form this theoretical ability takes based on the theoretical user is superficial as far as this question is concerned.

Keep reading, he explains emperor time in a later chapter.

There is no actual way to answer your hypothetical. All nen abilities thus far have been unique.

Nothing states others can do what Kurapika can do. He straight up said that chain only works in Emperor Time.