Can anyone give a dumb amerifat the quick rundown on why there is a catalonia independence referendum happening thanks

can anyone give a dumb amerifat the quick rundown on why there is a catalonia independence referendum happening thanks

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If they leave it will crash Italy's economy. So Commies are trying to stop it from happening.
Fuck the E.U. .

There's a state in Spain called Catalonia. Apparently the people there want independence.

Really makes you think...

>Italy's
Spain. I meant.

but why

Isn't catalonia whiter than most of spain?

>why would people want independence

Cant even call you an amerilard for that cause an american would get it. Youre just lard.

Also,

>m-m-muh haplogroups

Not everything revolves about whether your granny was a slave nigger, amerilard. The Kingdom of Aragon was an independent and successful state for centuries before Spain was even a thing.

The same reason any group ever wants independence. They think they're their own distinct culture deserving of its own country.

Because the majority of revenue that Catalonia receives via tourism is robbed of them by taxes and given to rapefuges on the mainland. It is like all your tax dollars going to illegal immigrants instead of your bank account.

Not that guy, but Jesus Christ dude....
There are always motivations to every action. Just say that you don't know and move on.

Maybe you'll enjoy reddit more. They enjoy you level of bantz more.

At one point, I believe they were their own country. They have a distinct dialect, different from the rest of Spain, from what I understand. That's all I've got.

With the fall of the Roman Empire, Visigoths take the peninsula. They form kingdom: Pamplona (later Navarra), Asturies, Castilla, Leon, Aragón... These Kingdoms had counties under their rule. For example, Barcelona (and other) counties were under rule of Aquitania (all the medieval west culture drinks of them). At some point, they went under rule of Aragon. Aragon was a generous kingdom, and gave their counties some kind of self-government (in catalonia "Consell de Cent", the 100 council and Generalitat).
So, we kill and kick the moors and jews together as a badass brotherhood, we take back our land, and each kingdom pushes south and puts their own population in the retaken land: that's why in valencia and balearic islands they speak catalan.
Few centuries later, there's a fight for the throne of Spain after the death of the last Austria with no child. Bourbons attack Barcelona 9/11 1714, there's a general (a lawyer), Rafael Casanovas, he's a spanish nationalist fighting for the Austrias in the spanish throne. They lost, but Bourbons forgive him and let him live and work as a lawyer.
So, Bourbons weren't generous as Austrias or Trastamaras, they wanted a centralized kingdom, like jacobins in France (they were french). So they fucked the self-government in all the vassal counties a Principalities.
XIX-XX After few years of ilustration, neoclasism and take back roman and greek culture, catalanism grows. A guy makes a dictionary for catalan, they modernize the structures of the language, etc.
April 14 1931, commies win the elections in Spain. A bunch of changes, socialist changes happen.
Maciá, President of the Generalitat (remember that self-government institution of the middle ages?), proclaims the Catalan Republic in the Iberian Federation. Commies in Madrid want a centralized government too, they have a bunch of problems with commies and anarchist, also they took land to land owners and catholic church, fabrics to the bourgeois, etc.

wow thanks spain friend

do you have any personal feelings on the vote

Catalonia is the most developed region of the country and would be pretty decent place if it wasn't for the fact that it has to stop the rest of Spain from going bankrupt.

Nah... that's not the way it happens.

Its not gonna happen

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hudin.com/blog/if-you-must-catalonia-is-slovenia-not-kosovo/
WTF I SUPPORT CATALONIA NOW.

Let me try:

With the fall of the Roman Empire and subsequent Germanic invasions, Visigoths end up unifying the Peninsula. Then the muzzies invade in 711 because the Visigoths were shitty. Then, the muzzies invade France are defeated at Tours in 732 by Charles Martel, the Grand-dad of Charles Magne. In 801 Charles Magne conquers most of Catalonia and callis it "The Spanish March". The moslems are expelled from Catalonia (Barcelona included) while most of the rest of the Peninsula is still occupied. Barcelona and the Pyrinees area is very confusing but the most powerful man in the region soon emerges as the Count of Barcelona (leading Catalonia).
Catalonia is formed as distinct from Spain in the IX century (less than 100 years after the moors invaded). Catalonia has its own Traditions, language, culture, and a very tight homogeneous population.

At some point, the Romano-Gothics in Hispania form differennt Kingdoms: Galiza, Asturias, León, Navarra, Castille, Aragon, Portugal, etc.

Funny is, the strongest moorish area in Northern Spain, that which eventually became the Taifa of Zaragoza, was created by a Visigothic house who ruled that land and told the muzzies they would fight with them and convert to islam. Thus, the moors allowed them to keep ruling. These were what the arabic chronicles refer to as the Bani Casium... The descendents of the Visigothic Lord, Casium, of Aragon-Basque County. Anyway, eventually, the "princes" and "counts" of the Pyrynees conquered all the way to the great city of Zaragoza, creating the powerful Kingdom of Aragón based in Zaragoza since the XII century. Eventually the Count of Barcelona married the Princess of Aragón and the Count of Barcelona became King of Aragón. Because Aragón and Zaragoza are very shielded from the rest of Spain and more connected with Barcelona, and because Barcelona was a great city in the Mediterranean with a really old culture... they eventually merge: (cont.)

This guy knows his shit.

On a second note, Spain is configured as a sole nation composed by many regions and 'nationalities' (Catalonia is one of them).
The catalan independence movement has always been there, fueled by a victim complex for centuries of cultural oppression since the Bourbons reached power (there's debate on this point).

At this point, the political leaders of the independentist movement, which have held power in institutions for nearly 40 years, are being prosecuted for corruption and misuse of public funds.
By fueling the independence issue they are misguiding the sector of society which feels oppressed by the state, to vote them into power again, preaching that by declaring its independence, Catalonia will finally be free of all State oppression.

Maciá (Mason) won the municipal elections in Catalonia, but Catalonia didn't have any kind of institution (Generalitat) until the Madrid commies pact with him an "Estatut" (some kind of self government) and authorize the creation of the Generalitat again (April 17). So, first Catalan parliament elections of 1932. Maciá wins.
1933 January 8: anarchist revolution in Spain, pretty bad. Commies kill them.
Few months later, we let the women vote in the elections, women vote right-wing.
The right-wing government takes down some of the actions commies did in their government, but they respect the 1931 constitution and some reforms.
Revolution of October 1934, commie uprising: socialists see what happens in Europe (Viena bombings, rothfront in Germany) So spanish commies and anarchists start killing bourgeois in the streets, churchs burning, nuns raped and pastors hanged.
Right wing government fights back the uprising and wins.
1936 elections: all kind of commies and anarchists form the Popular Front. They win. Right wing remembers what happened in october 1934. So, it happens again. Anarchists in Catalonia take the fabrics, the commie central government looses the power and thousands of comitees and comissars take the power and make their own law.
Generals see shit hits the fan, commie central government is inept, so generals step forward. Franco was in Africa, so he doesn't bothers in the peninsula. At the beginning he was cold about the coup d'etat. But he finally joins and takes over the commie dirty demons. The retribution and retaliation was brutal, like the uprising. He wins the war, and bans all kind of self-government, catalan culture and language. Those generals were funded by catalan, basque and Madrid money.
1975 November 20, Franco dies, Juan Carlos I (Bourbon) is in charge, Adolfo Suarez as president. 75-78 transition. Reforms and changes to bring back democracy. We have "coffee for everyone".

Whats going on in Spain. Most importantly: if PSY-OPS were involved in Spain, what country do you think would be trying to influence Spain, and to which direction are they trying to influence Spain? I have reason to believe a large, very large, force outside of Spain is influencing Spain.

it's not happening
the police just arrested 12 members of government

With Andalusia (which is more gibsmedats) Catalonia is the Spanish version of commiefornia

People are fed up of Europe. The only people who like it are Poles, Germans and Potato niggers.

because there will soon be no such thing as spain. there will only be castille.

... thus the Kingdom of Aragon gets a very heavy Catalan identity, despite not being centred in Catalonia; Catalonia was the most important and rich province (County) of that Kingdom. Keep in mind that at this time Aragón has no substantial "Spanish" influence, or as it was called at the time "Castillan" influence.

So, we kill and kick the Moors and Jews together as a badass brotherhood, when we are mot killing and kicking each other. We take back our land. But every Kingdom that pushes south "colonises" the new territories with their own population and culture. Therefore, Aragon-Catalonia spreads Southwards along the Mediterranean shore and re-conquer basically what is now Valencia in the XIII century. That's why people in that region still speak Catalan and have mostly Catalan culture and Traditions even though they don't care for Catalonia or independence. Think of Valencia as a poorer South Catalonia who fell for the Spanish meme. The Balearic Islands (like Ibiza and Palma de Mallorca) are also conquered and colonised by the Catalans in the XIII century (think of them as akward, isolated Catalan Islanders). Eventually, Aragon-Catalonia goes into the Mediterranean and conquers Islands like Corsica, Sardinia and the South of Italy and Sicily. They get used to beat the fuck out of Turks and even conquer parts of Greece.

Eventually, in 1492, King Fernando of Aragón marries the princess Isabella of Castille. They are known as the Catholic Kingdoms who conquered the last muslim stronghold in the South of the Peninsula and created modern Spain. That's how Spain was born.

Few centuries later, the Spaniards are bat shit crazy and do lots of shit. Also, they try to conquer Europe and all the continents. Eventually the Spanish Habsburgs die out. Shit ensures. This is the XVIII century and there's war all across Spain. Eventually, the French Bourbons rise to the throne but they were so badly beaten...

the history lessons are fascinating thank you

I'm curious about what Catalonia would be if it was independent.
How has Catalonia voted historically in national events? Is it a right-leaning area? are they anti immigration? etc

I'd be OK if they just left us basques alone. No degeneracy. Just a bunch of people that have been there since there has been written text. We will prevail as we have done for thousands of years

So, what's "coffee for everyone"? If you give catalonia and basques self-government, the other 15 autonomies whine and say that's not fair. So now, we have 17 countries with their own parliament. Able to tax, have their own cops, policies, etc. Like US states.
So, Basque and Catalonian nationalist, Alianza Popular (former fascists, now tecnocrats) and Socialist Party (now socialdemocrat and under rule of german SPD and french PSF since Suresnes congress), split the cake and live in peace for 30 years. They even support each other.
And we have Pujol, catalan nationalist, 30 years in the government. 30 years brainwashing, talking about catalan-aragonese crown, catalan kings and shit.
He put Aznar in the government in 96. Now he face charges (like says), and now the catalan right wing joins the left wing and wants to left spain.
Didn't want to go that deep, but you are right, Marca Hispanica and shit.
Catalan nationalist hired trump lobbies, so expect some shit here.
I want a referendum, pacted with centralized gov and with democratic guarantees to shut up all theese people and let us carry our lives and put the government to work. Won't happen. I won't vote in this charade, i bet 30% of participation and 90% of leave vote.

it's just a phase

>and created modern Spain.
Yes.
>That's how Spain was born.
Not in the absolute sense that some would like.

>austrias
please call them habsburg if you wanna be understood

Catacucks getting btfo left and right rt.com/news/403915-catalonia-minister-arrest-referendum

it's happening, you mean.

it's not like people will be all happy and shit when you see the central government make such bold action.
for now, I guess most will enjoy seeing catalans struggling, but self-consciousness will also increase in the autonomous regions (i.e most of spanish land). This has the potential to be huge, the moment it stops being political (as in political ideology) and becomes personal, shit will it the fan. The central government already is made of glass, if it weren't for EU, they would be in civil war state already.

they always were cosmopolitan, so expect them to be a mix of nationalism and the current political fads.

... that they are forbidden to join Spain and France together. Portugal and Britain come out victorious against the Franco-Spanish hordes once again.

However, those Bourbons of Spain, they start to want to have a centralised state. Spain was a deeply divided state Traditionally, with every little town and region having its own law, culture, Tradition, etc. Spain back then was basically a "united Kingdom" consisting of the following (at least nominal) Kingdoms:

1) Castille
2) León
3) Galiza
4) Navarra
5) Aragón
6) Toledo
7) Valencia
8) Mallorca
9) Seville
10) Córdoba
11) Jaén
12) Granada

... add to that that they were always on the look out to include the Kingdom of Portugal in, but were not very successful. Keep in mind they also had other territories with autonomy like the Basque County. Not to mention the colonies.... And I'm not talking only about Mexico, but also the Kingdom of Naples, the Kingdon of Sicily, the Kingdom of the Low countries (Belgium/Netherlands) or the Duchy of Milan.

Anyway... the bourbons wanted to create a centralised state in the midst of this madness. They did so by attacking the rights of the Crown of Aragorn (Catalonia). The Catalans went to war and lost. This was the XVIII century.

The XIX was even worse. Stupid wars everywhere, loss of colonies, poverty. Actually in the XIX century slowly but surely all the Traditional institutions are dismantled: Napoleon. Then Civil War; Then the independency of the colonies; Then, War with the fucking United States, that Spain loses in a shameful way. Spain is on the ground.

Then XX century: Gay republic and fucked up civil war when commies take half the country. Catalonia is crushed by Franco. They are not happy.

No it isn't, the basques beat us at that, but they also have better self-government laws because we were dumb as fuck during the carlist wars

They got a pretty good riot going the other day. If Catalonia goes ahead, be interesting if they'll call to the E-Jew/ZOG to try to bomb into submission.

Fuck Catalunya, Euskal Herria is the true fighter for freedom, we have being murdered by Spaniar Fascists for 500 years and we are still under their filthy boots, but when Catalunyans fail at their miserable referendum we will rise as the true white, proud and only European country in the world.

This seems pretty accurate. Thanks, man.

You have already lost mate.

Who is that fuck who compared Catalonia to Kosovo? Kill him!

Comment includes Spanish imperialism, national identity, the implicit death behind certain political histrionism, and finally how the dereliction of Spain's historical vocation spells disaster for the West as a whole.

Well, from what I gather... Catalans seem to be pretty right wing. However 80% of them live in Barcelona, which is a big ass degenerate city that has been attracting the greatest degenerates from all of Europe since... well, forever.

The thing is, Catalonia will never be independent. If it gets independent from Spain, they want to join the E.U. Spain will never allow that, and rightly so. So, they wanna suckle on the E.U. titts more directly if you know what I mean.

Also, much of the great Catalan "development" or economic achievments are really related to them being part of Spain. The part of Spain closer to Europe, wether France, or the entire Mediterranean basis.

Catalans need more clay (Valencia, the Balearics, etc.) to function as a proper country. They just don't know it yet. Even if they were to get independent, they would soon realise that they are powerless and need to deal with the big boys in the block, of which Spain is the smallest: Spain, Italy, France.

>Catalonia is the most developed region of the country
Madrid is.
>if it wasn't for the fact that it has to stop the rest of Spain from going bankrupt.
That would be Madrid, again. Catalonia and Madrid are the providers for the rest of the country, there's no denying that, but Madrid is the one doing most of the lifting. Catalonia receives four times as many cents back as Madrid for every € they pay.
And no, the Parliament and ministries don't account for 50bn a year.

>I'm curious about what Catalonia would be if it was independent.
PdCat wants it to become an associated state, similar to Switzerland - i.e. tax haven.

>How has Catalonia voted historically in national events? Is it a right-leaning area? are they anti immigration?
It's complex, but lets say XIXth century industrialisation created both burgoise and syndical movements. Cities are divided from far-left workers/social ideologist to right-wing freemarket bussinessmen.
Middle class leans to the center right/left. Rural areas tend to be more traditional, often with an independentist approach.

They're not specially anti-immigration, as they've made profit from lowskilled workers coming to the region since the XIXth century. Some areas affluent with muslim guetthos are, though.

That's a brilliant explanation of it, more deep than mine. Portubro (despite his traitorous nature) knows his shit. The catalan expansion it's very interesting. Even the language it's different in valencia and balearic islands beacause the people were from girona county and what today is Lleida. The mediterranean expansion, Neopolis and the almogavers. It's amazing.
It has a rich and wealthy bourgeoisie, they funded 1936 coup d'etat for example, with basque and madrid bourgeoisie. But most of the people it's pro-refugees, commie type. At least to PC warriors. But it seems to me that a lot of people has 2 faces.
It's strange, very nationalistic but very socialist at the same time. It's our California.
Now we have an strange union, catalanist catholic nationalists (PDCAT former CiU, Pujol party), catalanist socialists (ERC) and anarchists (CUP).
I don't know how this would end. But i expect balcans 2.0, capture the hajis and commies edition.
I want my government work for me and stop fighting each other. Central government is messing it, creating martirs each day, it's a nationalist fabric. And it's ok for them, more catalanism means more right wing in castille, and vice versa. It's been this way for 30 years. But now shit is going to hit the fan, the rope it's about to break and us, the taxpayers are the ones who will suffer consequences

This is simply one of the best maps of what this Peninsula should really be, politically.

All the current great political/cultural/Traditional areas are here. More clay, less clay... it is basically this. On a side note:

Portugal + Galiza = 13 M
Catalonia + Valencia = 12 M
Castille - Euskaria = some 25 M, (30M max)

Yes.

Thanks. I know the expansion on itself is amazing, however, I don't know as much as I'd like to about how it really came about. I just know the result, not how "the goals were scored".

We always have more to learn...

What exactly is CUP? Isn't it part of Podemos? Aren't they the ones who are always burning flags and shit with balaclavas?

I really like you both, my dudes. Great points.

It's sad that we're in this situation with the potential our whole peninsula has.

Valencia benefits more by being the beach of Madrid, count us out.

Candidaturas de Unidad Popular are a anticapitalist, non-hierarchical, counter-traditional and low social class-oriented movement. They're against all kinds of institutional or corporate oppression, and they think that the population should be consulted a lot more and become more active in the political decision-making. They are more left-wing than Podemos in an organisational and ideological sense.

Have despised Spain since they welcome Jews back at any time with open arms. Which, i could take my DNA results and told to get fucked. Which, fair enough, you've been gone for 300 years. But the Jews have been gone for 500, and were kicked out for subversion with Moors.

That you (Spanish tax payers) are gonna suffer, it's a given.
But I don't think shit will hit the fan right now. It will just breed an whole new dose of hate into every single Spaniard.

Funny how Rajoy is Galego, like Franco...

Also, I don't even imagine Catalans of today fighting against the Spanish army. You are safe, for now. But the future will bite you. You are right when you say all this only "radicalises" Spanish society even further. PP will never win in Andaluzia or Catalonia... nor will PSOE ever win in Castille proper, outside Madrid.

Also, in case you are a Castillan: Daily reminder that what will really fuck you is that your land is deserted and basically the only place beaming with life is Madri, which is, as every great city, degeneration central that actually turns people into commies. And I'm not even talking about the immigrants...

its always hard to wrap my head around the fact that Spain is only the size of Texas

>Madrit ens ro-

It's just another political show to distract people from economic troubles.
>b-but the economy is recovering
Unemployment is still absurdly high and wages absurdly low. Our young and talented have gone to Germany/UK/France/Chile to earn a real living and nobody is doing anything to bring them back. Brain drain should be treated like a crisis in itself.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalisms_and_regionalisms_of_Spain

Checked. Sad checked...

But never forget that we can easily turn that potential into ... well... kinetic power(?)!

If every unemployed in Spain were to be employed and contribute to the Spanish economy in an equal way to the average employed Spaniard (impossible, I know), Spain's GDP per capita would be higher than France.

Remember that through most of the 90s Italy was more economically developed and had a higher GDP per capita than France.
Also, keep in mind that the southern third of Italy has always been shit so... look what the rest of Italy did in the 90s, ain't that marvelous?

Anyway, never forget that Nordicucks are just nordicucks. When we stop follow them and their (((fads))) we will rise up again. We really just need to sort ourselves out. And if Catalonia nees to become independent in the process, so be it!

Wish you well Spanishbros!

>catalans
>rght wing
They are turbocommiefornians with refugees

On a more serious note, having lived half my life in the Balearic islands and half in Valencia, most people are tired of catashits asking for their independence "but gib us historic territories" meaning they want both other communities for them too

Right now I'm phoneposting in front of the TV and there's a meme ERC MP (catalonian leftie shits) yelling for independence in congress with a fucking harry potter shirt on

For now, yes. But that's just short sighted.

You will realise it really soon if last digits are 12.

Actually, Catalans dont give a fuck about Valencia or Baleares. Never did, never will.
Only valencian/balearic leftwing philocatalan cockgurgling indepes want the whole Paisos Catalans deal.

Tete knows his shit.
Also this, independence will mean boicot from Spain.
Let's see what happens today.
Well, i don't know how you say that in english, but in spanish is: devaluaciones competitivas. What china does with yuan, he drops the price. We can't do that now, because if you drop the euro, France and Germany will be so competitive that will erase us. Euro was a mistake, at least as a single coin.

La historia que emocionó a Spielberg

Me espero al DVD

Harry Potter shirt on ... lol

I know... it is probably surreal for you too.
I understand how people in Valencia and the Balearics may find the Catalans like some pompous paper tiger fucks who think they know it all...

Let's wait and see. I bet that a few years (decades?) after Catalonia gets independent the "Mediterraneans" of Spain will feel the call of the Catalan mermeid very appealing...

When shit hits the fan, Madrid and the Castillans will be very clear in showing who is a real Spaniard and who is not.

>Isn't catalonia whiter than most of spain?
>Mediterranean port city
>The place with more sand niggers in Spain
>Whiter
Kek

My bet is on the EU trying to "kill" the state of catalonia and make it fail to discourage other areas in the union from doing the same, if only for economic reasons

Please, don't become akward looking, albanian speaking terrorists, again...

Someone has info about some country that has 200.000 millions for loans to an independent catalonia? Israel? China? I read something time to time, but never get real info.

fun fact: for 300 years until the last civil war, every politician agreed that you have to bomb the shit out of barcelona to keep catalonia in check. In that time, barcelona has been nombed six times. Do the math, and let's make that 400 years

This is very important. Madrid actually rules and is the economic engine of Spain.
Too many people fell for the meme that Catalonia is super developped and shit. It's just a meme that Catalonia sustains Spain. (However, it has some truth in that Catalonia is really developped and stuff)

The opinion that I have is that most of Northern Spain is well off. Only Extremadura and Andaluzia drag the country down economically. That and your stupid autonomies ridden system. But hey! Spaniards gonna Spain, right...

Fucking disgusting. Thanks.

Thats so false, it hurts

>Catalonia and Madrid are the providers for the rest of the country
Madrid is a parasite leeching from the rest of the country
Catalonia is the cave of Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves

Sauce. Just to look at the interest rate.

was the EU also against the Scottish independence vote a few years ago? it WAS pre-brexit...

>rapefuges on the mainland.

We have the same law now! Lots of Jews from Britain have requested to get in since Brexit.

Also, our government is so left-cuck right now they passed a new nationality law that got so many immigrants asking to get in the system crashed and the SEF (Foreigners and Borders Service) went on to complaint in television that they have too much work now and the law is (((not serious)).

(((brain drain))) is purposefully inflicted upon us. We need to get out of the E.U. I really want that shit corpse to collapse.

They want to reestablish the Kingdom of Aragon.

So quick question. Let's say the independence vote is held and it passes. What are the chances for the government in Madrid to go "NO fuck you, marshal law now"?

Would there be a civil war if they sent in the troops to enforce it?

WE have to bomb Cataluña

elpais.com/elpais/2010/12/10/actualidad/1291972643_850215.html

I think you are wrong economically wise.

I think France and Germany are more competitive now that they have poorer countries unable to "assert" themselves through currencies.

If the Euro doesn't work for us, why don't we have the balls to go out of it? Why not, getting the pound or the dollar...

Because in my case, I know the eurocrats will not do a dagmage as big as the Socialists that will govern us every once in awhile.

Catalonia in Spain is like Silesia in Poland.
It makes a lot of money but the state takes most of it.
Independent Catalonia would be much richer that Spain.

>Kingdom of Aragon =/= Cataluña
Cataluña was a province of Aragon, like they are now a province of Spain.
It's like if Ohio wanted independency from USA.

One thing is pretending and let them do a referendum, another thing is a real independence scenario that destabilizes a country and create a second Greece. Remember there have been 30 years of hard indoctrination at schools in catalonia

That makes sense... no wonder they want independence.

...

>was the EU also against the Scottish independence vote
Yes although Spain was a major voice in that because they knew this shit was coming

interesting

>most of it.
*6%

1) The government in Madrid is already close to that. They arrested some important guy over "corruption": they sent the police against printing houses; they have threatened to make the government of Catalonia void.

2) There will be no civil war because the only Catalans willing to fight are antifas and moors.

Also, there will be no valid referendum. It's just a game by the government of Catalonia, even they know it does not have any legal grounds.

>we have being murdered by Spaniar Fascists for 500 years and we are still under their filthy boots

I wish Patxi.

My ass. The goverment in catalonia the most far-leftist in whole Spain. You and your politicians are the ones replacing (((catalonian))) people with brownies.
Also, if you support that, i guess you´d support tax cuts for the wealthiest citizens, since they´re being leeched so you can have free healthcare and education.

catalonian in barcelona here, AMA

I've never been pro independence but its alarming that they are arresting people and making raids for this and not for the corruption that desolates the whole of spain.
things dont look good from here anons, all the antifas are independent and everyday the tension grows stronger

>plebbit spacing
into the trash it goes