So, Is nazi Right or Left wing?

Here in Brazil the most discussed theme is: Nazi left or right Wing? I wonder what people from other locations things about it.

It's a highly collectivist ideology with emphasis on replacement, as opposed to destruction, of social order. Left wing in my book but, since the Nazis never fully codified their ideology it's impossible to apply a coherent definition.

It's neither, god dammit. What part of being an alternative to that false dichotomy can't people understand?

Left Wing = Internationalism

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>It's a highly collectivist ideology with emphasis on replacement, as opposed to destruction, of social order. Left wing in my book
So every goverment is left wing.
>but, since the Nazis never fully codified their ideology it's impossible to apply a coherent definition.
You're a retard.

Right and left are meaningless terms. They could mean anything.
Maybe try thinking for yourself, and come up with your own opinions and views. Labels are unnecessary.unnecessary.

As a centrist I think extreme right are nazis and extreme left are communist.
NOTE - COMMUNISM KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN NAZI ACTUALLY DID

Fascism/Nazism are radical centrist positions, taking the "good" from both and discarding the "bad" from either.

It is essentially a right-wing/traditionalist/nationalist form of an idea that is usually thought of as leftist: socialism.

Read the 25 point plan and decide for yourself.

They're socialist and hate big corporations and want the government to control everything.

alt left exist because alt right exist.

It's nationalist version of socialism. while Soviets were (on paper) and modern champagne socialists are internationalists.
Just got and check how they limited people's freedom and entrepreneurship activities while ruling Germany.
Them and Lenin had little difference in the end.

It was named National Socialism as a compromise to bring both sides together

>help your fellow countrymen
>get rid of the non-ethnics and criminals

its the perfect ideology, but shamed by the jews so it will never be. Our only hope is traditional fascism

It's socialism.

The Nazis took the left-right chart and threw it in the trash before walking in a completely different direction.
Authoritarian. Nationalist. Racialist. Focused on the community.

Instead of finding new poor people to donate to like in modern socialism they brought the standard of the entire German ethnic/national poor group up to a new level of wealth.

it's national social.
so bernie sanders.

Right wing.of course.

It is neither left wing nor right wing. It is traditionalist/nationalist and pro private business while still being Socialist at the same time.
To give you an example, they achieved to bring women to return home without any measures that forced them to do that, they just made it really, really preferable for women to do that through Socialist policies.
If a women wanted to work she could and it wasn't frowned upon.
They wanted people to own their own houses, so they implemented a scheme where the gov would provide zero interest loans for housing or modernising existing housing (only for married couples), and for every child they had they reduced the loan by 25%.
So a married couple with 4 children would essentially get a house for free and own it.
They helped small businesses with 0 interest loans too, they wanted lots of private businesses, which is strange for a Socialist.

So it was a kind of weird mixture of both Capitalism and Socialism and while it lasted people loved living under it as far as I've heard.
I bet you could get absolute majorities in todays democracies too if you ran these kind of gov programmes, lots of people would vote for the ability to have many children and own a house.
But problem is we have too many people today who are not productive, you couldn't offer this anymore without producing tons of black people, gypsies and Arabs.

>NOTE - COMMUNISM KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN NAZI ACTUALLY DID

This needs to be repeated, over and over, everywhere. The goddamn Marxists are attempting another Bolshevik takeover, this time in America. I'm thinking that their idea, since Trump's election proved that the public at large will not willingly vote for Marxism (Obama managed to snooker them and by and large they know it), that collapsing the societal structure is their ticket. Under martial law, they can basically turn the president into a complete and total figurehead, stripped of all authority. They can push people like Rand Paul, Justin Amash, etc. to the side "for the sake of public safety" and simply roll the jackboots through the streets, outlaw cash, RFID-chip everybody under threat of being thrown in a gulag, etc.

The best thing we can do, overall, is to remind everyone we know, repeatedly, that 100 million is a larger number than 6 million, and that the media keeps screaming about Nazis and fascism to try to distract the masses from the fact that Marxism is orders of magnitude worse than fascism ever thought about being - and I'm saying this as someone who doesn't support fascism. However, truth is truth.

Note: for every child they produced AFTER taking out the loan it was cut by 25%.
And of course some minorities didn't like living under this system for obvious reasons.

The problem is that in Brazil people thought of Right and Left. Originally, specially in the US, Right wants more freedom, less state; left wants more rights, more state. In Brazil the right and left wants more state, the difference is that the supposed right wing ideologies are OK with some privatizations.

you could do it in high IQ countries of primarily white people though. Trouble is not many of those countries actually exist any more.

Do the right wingers want more gov because of the problem with criminals?
That's the only reason I could imagine why they would want to.

>Our only hope is we need to kill all the Jews
ftfy

That's why the Nazis had very strict racial policies.
You can't have this stuff if blacks are going to use it to double, triple, quadruple in size within a short period.

We are Leftists and Rightists. We are both.

Some will say so, but it's untrue. You need more police, which is just one institution. Both Brazilian "right" and left cry out loud when someone talks about privatization of state companies, always saying how much money "we lost" due to the "unfair price" it was sold, completely ignoring that the market price was low because the company was having huge losses. The most beloved "right-wing" politician, Bolsonaro, was heavily against the selling of one of his state companies because it was, according to him and every fucking government parasite or parasite-sympathizer, below market price.

Go away Vox you piece of shit.

You could make it so you have to make the initial credit rating maybe, and already have a job? Won't be perfect but I'd support anything that would improve white birth rates.

I'm in favour of this specific policy as long as it is made sure that most people profiting from it will be whites.
Of course only for some time, because we don't want a population explosion like in Africa, I'd just want us to recover from the last decades.

Right wing in every aspect except economically, where it is a right leaning centrist.

People do not wake up and think "hmm which ideology should I support, left or right". I support the ideology of Hitler and the Nazis because that is what I believe in and because I think it is right. It does not matter what label is put on something. People are only trying to say it is "left wing" to discourage people from supporting the ideology because "left wing" is associated with SJW's and Liberals.

>National socialism
>Socialism
Tell me, is socialism left wing or right wing?

well like the non larping national socialists in nordfront chant in sweden
>NOG ER NOG KROSSA KAPITALISMEN
>ENOUGH IS ENOUGH CRUSH CAPITALISM
well that should tell you a bit about that subject

they have always been leftists user. labor here picked up shitloads of their policies btw

Centrist

Really if we'd just pull our (((charities))) from Africa, you'd see the largest mass starvation and death in human history. We produce almost all of their food and medicine for them, and give it to them for free, which they have the complete inability to produce for themselves. It really will be a beautiful thing to watch if it happens within our lifetimes.

Only economically

Best answer ITT. Right wing = support of hierarchies. Left wing = opposition to hierarchies. Economy is not the only facet of a political ideology.

Authoritarian Centrist is what I think best describes it.

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This is true, and it would actually be good in the long term.
Population growth here is completely unsustainable.
The best thing other countries could, is ween Africa off of foreign aid over the span of a decade or so.
Disaster relief is one thing, but when existence is a perpetual disaster, it's time to stop giving people fish, and start teaching them how to fish. If Africa can't unfuck itself after all this charity, it deserves it's fate.

>I am not left! When my nanny state of all white cucks rises you're gonna be real sorry mister!
>It's going to be an all white only utopia with all of the safety nets and fixings we need!
>Wait, what's a defense budget?

It's essentially Leninism, isn't it?

This.
Fuck everyone and their coin toss theories. The world is not black or white.

Fascism and Nazism were left wing ideologies but remember these terms mean something different in the US vs in Europe

They will parrot bullshit about how socialism is evil and for retards but they all still believe in welfare and a strong all powerful government that will impose it's will(which will change, and disagree with your own values) on you

>brazilian ancap

Even though you're mentally disabled, it's not hard to understand: Nazi/Fascism is third position. Simple like that.

Yep. Welfare is a nice idea. Shame it doesn't work.

I'm fairly confident that Hitler's economy was mapped out as Leninism, with a sort of Imperialist "Germany must own the coal mines" twist. It's why it ran out of money so quickly, and had to stoop to state-sponsored forgery and laundering hooky sterling notes through the Bank of International Settlement.

This is typically why these threads don't do very well. Nazis love the 1488 has the likes racewar bullshit but they never seem to keen on separating themselves from the faggy socialist policies that come with it. They're just racist authoritarian lefties

It depends on how you define left and right
This seems idiot to me, because there is nothing contradictory about national socialism applied to the entire world, or to smaller than country "states"

I prefer a more-less state categorization of left vs right or nothing at all

Certainly though the conservative-liberal paradigm we have now is completely retarded as they are relative concepts being used as if they were transcendent

Vox Day nonsense. National Socialism is about race!!!

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>that hitler quote
Sophism

Best of each desu.

>the government not telling me what to do is fascism
Lmao

Which is why it's doomed to fail

>communism and fascism are at opposite ends of the spectrum and not just divergent paths
worthless.

This.
Fuck everyone and their coin toss theories. The world is not black or white.

>Nazi left or right Wing?
It is neither. Which is why bipartisans fear it so much.
This is why it's often called a "third position".

Shill confirmed.

Right wing. Promotes traditional moral values and is pro-hierarchy so it is definitely right wing. Being a workers party is more about ensuring that the foundation of their nations prosperity recieves the economic incentives that capitalism robs them of. Just take a look at the shit deal for workers today with shitty corporate enslavement and trash tier women and divorce laws. As Goebbels put it there is no reason to get up out of bed.