Keeping Goku a kid throughout the series

>Keeping Goku a kid throughout the series
>First saga = poor attempt to mimic Dragon Ball's feeling of adventure
>Minion "stronger than Majin Buu!"
>Pan being able to fight against said minion
>Android 17 + Android 17 (with a trenchcoat!)=SS4
>SS4 isn't a natural progression from SS3. You can skip from SS1 to SS4 if you can control G.Oozaru
>SS4's magic pants. Also why is Goku ONLY an adult as SS4?
>Becoming Golden Oozaru because of "blutz waves" is bullshit
>Trunks was lame.
>Goten was a complete shit character
>So was Marron. Shit and useless.
>Bra, with her being the daughter of Vegeta and Saiyan heritage, never fought. Shit character.
>Uub, the second coming of Goku, was shit
>Even after fusing with Buu. Shit.
>No adult Gotenks, not like it matters because Trunks/Goten individually were ruined.
>Pan not becoming SS. But Goku Jr does.
>Piccolo was basically absent. Except when they killed him off.
>Same with Krillin
>Was Tien even in GT?
>Kid Goku being ridiculously powerful
>Kid Goku's base form = SS3 Buu Saga Goku
>Despite that, Kid Goku cannot hold SS3 for a decent time
>Kid Goku beating Freeza & Cell at the same time, base form, with a stick
>Kid Goku dies. Instead of actually dying, he plays a board game to go back to life. Because fuck you that's why
>7 Shadow Dragons, basically only Goku fights
>GT stands for "Goku Time". Fuck everyone else.
>SS4 Vegeta was useless
>Vegeta in general was useless. Except for technically being a villain.
>Final villain was bland, lame, and had a boring personality and terrible design
>WELCOME TO THE GRAND TOUR

How can anyone defend this shit-fest?

Stop fucking making this thread
Anyone with a brain knows DBS is better than GT so leave it.

Lore contributions:

DBS (so far):
- Gods of Destructions as the destroyer counterpart of the Kai. Each with their own attendant.
- 12 universes. Paired off into "twin" universes.
- King of all, and the universal god heirarchy.
- Planet Salad, the original Saiyan home.
- Pre-Freeza Saiyan armor design
- the god of Dragons, Zarama
- the origin of the Namekian dragon balls
- An omnipotent being (Zuno) at the center of the universe.
- The galactic patrol's anime introduction.
- Galactic King introduction
- Tights Brief introduction.
- time-travelling against "galactic law"
- Freeza as Beerus' underling.
- Freeza's race able to attain an "Ultimate Evolution"
- Freeza's 3rd form named "Assault form"
- Your "Hell" is tied to the planet you died on.
- Earth's hell is a personal hell.
- De-fusing Potara fusion is possible.
- The SSG ritual
- God Ki. Calm and undetectable.
- SSG & SSB

GT:
- Black-Star DBs
- Hell being dark/barren except with the occasional extreme temperature fluctuations.
- Wishing a lot makes the earth DBs evil.
- Blutz waves = Golden Oozaru
- SS4

>Anyone with a brain knows DBS is better than GT so leave it.
Apparently not

>>How can anyone defend this shit-fest?
Because for all it's bad points, it's still a good deal better than Super.

Also:

-Poor attempt in execution perhaps, but not a bad idea.
-The Fact that Gero could make robots stronger than frieza was already retarded.
-Super Saiyan God isn't a natural progression either.
-You can skip SSG and become SSB through hard work or something
-The "Blutz Waves" were in the original manga, though they may have been called something else.
-Apparently you hate characters that don't fight.
-Uub was the second coming of Buu, and GT went past Buu's powerlevel.
-Pan wasn't SS because toriyama was too stupid to think of a design for her.
-Piccolo has been irrelevant since Cell.
-Krillin has been irrelevant since Frieza.
-Tien has been irrelevant since the Saiyan saga except that one time he stalled cell a bit.
-None of the above are relevant in Super.
-Goku was made younger, but he wasn't depowered outside his body's limitations.
-Goku's base form in Super is allegedly stronger than Vegetto in the Buu Saga.

I'm gonna stop there, this is getting too autistic. But here's the central point: Super is at the very least as bad as GT writing wise, and it's worse in animation, art, charater design and music.

So don't think of it as people "Defending" GT. GT was bad. It's just that super managed to do the impossible and be worse.

DBS has a manga, GT doesn't.

That alone makes it better.

super is so bad it's depressing. like it completely misses the point of what gave dragon ball pathos

The manga is bad and it's made by a third party with only some basic toriyama supervison, just like GT.

And toriyama's input on DBS has hardly made it any good at all.

>Super is at the very least as bad as GT writing wise
GT was basically a trilogy of revenge stories:
>Tuffles mad at Saiyans!
>Dr.Gero/Myuu mad at Goku!
>Shadow Dragons mad at wishing a lot!

Super's lowest point is Resurrection F, but at least the movie had nicely done animation and fighting choreography .

As Super is so far: Battle of Gods, Resurrection F, U6 Tourney, and Return of Future Trunks; coupled with an ever better manga >>> GT

Toriyama wrote the story drafts of Super so far, and gave it to Toei (for the anime) and Toyble (for the manga). They are allowed to expand on it as they please.

Toriyama mentioned in an interview that he supervises the manga, before each chapter is released, and that Toyble goes through less liberties that Toei does.

If anything, the manga is closer to Toriyama's vision than Toei's.

>GT was basically a trilogy of revenge stories:
And?
This doesn't mean shit. Battle of the gods is a terrible story, ROF is almost a Super 17 ripoff, and the U6 tournament was garbage. None of that makes it noticeably better than GT, they're both roughly on the same level. And since in all other aspects but the story DBGT is markedly superior, DBS < DBGT

Super makes dub babies and edgyfags mad and I am ok with that.

>If anything, the manga is closer to Toriyama's vision than Toei's.

They're almost identical except the manga skips shit because Toyble can't keep a weekly.

And again, "Toriyama's Vision" is no longer a seal of quality. It may give you an edge in canon disputes, but that's it.

GT had Goku and Pan getting all the screen time, and Pan was dogshit in GT. Even Vegeta barely showed up.

Super's main cast is Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, Whis, Bulma, and Jaco. Goku is still the only real important one but at least the others share the spotlight. Even Piccolo still gets screen time.

Piccolo might not be a fighter anymore but he looks happy being part of Gohan's family so I dont mind. And I enjoy Goku being an student again but with Vegeta instead of Krillin as his partner.

Beerus has this arrogant spoiled god that doest fit well with Christianity idea of divine beings but it fits well with ancient mythology gods that usually did all kind of fucked up crap just because they could get away with it.

The manga has been consistent since it skipped the movie re-tellings

The manga only skipped RoF, they still did BoG

They skipped parts of BoG in the manga.

They fast-fowarded through most of it.

Who drew that?

It's a V-Jump cover.

So probably Toyble

>"Toriyama's Vision" is no longer a seal of quality.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks this.

Super would be better if it fixes Bra and Pan

Is Bra even in Super? I thought she was older than Pan in the last chapter of the manga, but my memory is rather foggy.

Dragonball Super is inconsistent with the time it is set in anyways. Remember how old Dende was in the buu saga? Now remember what he looked like in DBS? It makes no sense.

>No adult Gotenks
>Pan not becoming SS
>7 Shadow Dragons, basically only Goku fights
These are actual problems with GT.

>WELCOME TO THE GRAND TOUR
Was dub exclusive, yet another reason not to watch DB in English.

The rest of what you posted was either false, or doesn't matter.

"GT is shit" is just a meme that newfriends bandwagon on. It's not good, it's mediocre, but it's not as shit as you memelords make it out to be. Super's also mediocre, but for different reasons than GT.