The US military was actually pushing to bomb Nagasaki within 24hours of Hiroshima in order to give the Japs no chance to surrender before the second bomb drop. But the US gov said "we need to at least appear to give them time to surrender".
Jap surrender was clear in August 1945 already. The Japs were negotiating with Stalin on some form of conditional surrender with the Emperor staying in power as the only condition.
Do you know that the flag on this ship is often cropped out? Thats because it was an illegal flag and the ceremony was illegal as well. I'll let you try to figure that one out. The japs were not surrendering. Have you ever heard of the Treaty of San francisco? of course you havn't.
I wish tophats were still cool. Fuck.
the PU implosion design was tested in Almogordo already...please dont try to appear smart.
We had to make it clear to them, via devastation, that only consumers, not Traditionalist men imbued with the values of the Samurai, will be tolerated in our new world.
neither bombing was necessary, joseph grew was a japan expert and helped draft a surrender offer allowing the emperor to remain in power. it is likely that japan would have accepted this offer but truman removed the emperor clause at the last minute
in the end they still got nuked and the emperor still remained in power anyway
truman was a dickhead
lol at you clowns trying to act as though japan was the unfortunate victim of our rushing to nuke them twice before they could broker a surrender. we gave them ample warning that they needed to surrender unconditionally lest they get nuked. then we nuked them. then we gave them three fucking days to unconditionally surrender and they still refused. then they got another nuke. also bear in mind they were more aggressive even than hitler with their exceptionally brutal invasion of manchuria... and the rest of china... and the rest of southeast asia... and the preemptive strike on pearl harbor. oh, those poor japs. give me a fuckin break.
They used M69 Incendiary Bombs. Nukes are a hoax. That's why only the wooden buildings were destroyed.
>Jap surrender was clear in August 1945 already. The Japs were negotiating with Stalin on some form of conditional surrender with the Emperor staying in power as the only condition.
No. Unconditional surrender to the USA was the ONLY reasonable option. If Tojo had surrendered to Stalin, Japan would have gone all Berlin Airlift or full Commie. Absolutely unacceptable to the US in 1945.
It was wrong to use it on innocent civilians. They should have tested it on the emperors palace instead
>innocent civilians
>emperors palace
Neither had military value. Both target sites were important military-industrial cities.
General wouldve taken charge
What's the problem? Should have nuked them some more for attempting to be "Muh Godlike race". In fact, should have nuked that Emperor of theirs.
Do you now understand what kind of world you were born into?
I've always wondered why we didn't just tell them to observe the horizon at X time and date and then demonstrate a nuke in the ocean a few miles off the coast.
Then tell them they have 48 hours to surrender or the next one is on a major city.
Who the fuck cares? These dirty cunts were BRUTAL towards aussie pows. We, the west, SHOULD have killed far more of them, if only to honor or boys
The fuck they were.
Mass murdering innocent civilians has always been the american way. Allies did that often in ww2 also.
should have dropped one on korea too
the japs didn't surrender because of the nukes. they're cities were already fucking bombed and burned to the ground, you think it made a difference how they were destroyed? they fucking surrendered because the Russians were moving in on them. They fucking FEARED the Soviets.
also, they had already agreed to surrender weeks prior to the bombings if the allies agreed to spare their emperor. But faggot Truman wanted unconditional surrender EVEN THOUGHT HE SPARED HIROHITO IN THE END ANYWAY
the bombs were a message to the USSR, it had nothing to do with Japan
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But it was the emperor who ordered the japs to surrender, if they bombed his ass, some crazed general would fight to the end instead
>Mass murdering innocent civilians has always been the american way
Yeah and?
we dropped one on fucking hiroshima and gave them three days and they still didn't surrender. you think a flash in the ocean would have convinced them when desolating a major city didn't?
Blocks your path
This, What the Japs did during the war and the extent they would go to was insane, In WW1 and WW2 we were never THAT inhumane against eachother.
t. Sung Wok
why does no one talk about the firebats.
It works, does it not? No sense in a military continuing its bullshit when the country it fights for is toast. And what about the civilians in Pearl Harbor? Niggers kamikazed themselves, killing loads of Americans. Why waste ammunition on an enemy that doesn't care about dying when you can make some grilled cheese and force them to admit defeat.
>The Japs were negotiating with Stalin on some form of conditional surrender with the Emperor staying in power as the only condition.
Talking to Stalin is not surrendering.
It was allowed because America won.
The only guilty parties are those who lost.
Now we have a global religion to enjoy complete with a new global Satan.
*bombs the shit out of your population*
Fuck off gook
Nagasaki was pretty crazy, but I think the US' southern border being invaded by inbred beaners with drug backpacks is even crazier. Imagine being dead set on swinging your dick around a Korean beach ball or in the sand monkey desert but not protecting your actual country? lol
Who cares, Asians live mentally in an animal like state, incapable of transcending human nature to reach some higher state.
It's in their religion. That's why even the Japanese, no matter how orderly their societies are, never invented ANYTHING of importance.
Everything Asians do is copy stuff we invented and use tons of slaves to produce it cheaper.
That's why I'm not afraid of China or any of these countries. Once they have no more white people supplying them with science and inventions they'll stagnate forever.
exactly why i pray that one day american soil is invaded, because hopefully europeans will not be dumb enough to fight a third world war on their soil so stupid untermenschen can come and fuck us up again
Someone who isnt a retard!
Also, there was an attempted military coupe when the Emperor decided to surrender. It would have succeeded if it wasnt for a bombing of a city that delayed the coupe from stopping the Emps recorded surrender message from being played on the radio.
-Also the Japan mainland was prepping for a melee fight to the death. nuking Japan literally saved millions of Japs by making the gov think we might just glassthe island.
>kill the civilians to save the soldiers that are willing to die.
well, we deserved it to be honest. kyoto was going to be next after nagasaki, thank god our generals weren't that stupid.
I get paid extra money on the weekends taking Chinese tourists on guided tours of the very free "Truman Walk" in Independence, MO.
They all love Harry because he showed no fucking mercy against their mortal enemy, the Japs.
THANK YOU BASED TRUMAN FOR GETTING ME $300 a week extra for walking around for 4 hours in a weekend.
After the first nuke only one of the Emperors advisors suggested surrender.
>but muh ANNIE MAY
>but muh MAN GO
Grow up, you ugly shits.
> Nagasaki was bombed 70 hours after Hiroshima simply to test the plutonium design
>The US military was actually pushing to bomb Nagasaki within 24hours of Hiroshima in order to give the Japs no chance to surrender before the second bomb drop. But the US gov said "we need to at least appear to give them time to surrender".
>Jap surrender was clear in August 1945 already. The Japs were negotiating with Stalin on some form of conditional surrender with the Emperor staying in power as the only condition.
Based
Nope it wouldnt because at that time the US was running out of bombs because the materials for bombs is actually hard to produce.So in all it was a bluff...
>YFW instead of dying in Operation Downfall your Grampa got out of the Navy in one piece, got a good post war job, raised a family, fished daily during his retirement on lake Erie and died in his late 80s while refusing to talk about the War aside from telling people he hated it.
RIP Joe you old deck gunning pollack
You know how the saying goes. They sowed the wind and they reaped the whirlwind.
Were the US then really empirical and domineering they would have steamrolled Russia and China before they could produce themselves a bomb.
delet this
This. Wars in the XXth century were the epitome of mankind's downfall. We had the power to make it happen. Wish we could go back 300 years
>geiger meter is having the biggest hard on of its life
>just a firebomb