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there is absolutely no way at all that Ancap can fail. It is literally a fucking perfect flawless system.

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except for the part where you need state violence to enforce your property "rights"

Aristocrats... meh

I'm an ancap and what you said was completely fucking false. Ancap is anti-utopian and moreover, would fail in most cultures.

False, I could defend my home and evict tenants from my other homes by myself.

The leftist attack on property is a veiled attack on profit. And it's not grounded in liberty, but fairness.

Monopolies

>anti-utopian
society where you have the greatest amount of social freedom and economic freedom possible plus theres isn't a minor group of fucking savages that can violate your rights when ever they want

What if I've bought a hitman to kill you?

>day 1 of ancapistan
>7 billion people beating and killing eachother in the scramble to claim land
Truly the flawless system

roads

Freedom falls apart if you don't have responsibility and planning.

Anarchy is a tool of commies.

what's stopping a person from recruiting another person and forming an army to make his own fucking government effectively destroying your 'flawless ancap system'

I'll use my own violence thanks. Privatized violence is much more effective

agreed! wake up, sheeple!!

Fuck off people are flawed and can most certainly fuck it up. They can roll us in a different direction too that's very possible.

The system is good, it's moral, it's very productive it's quite beautiful but it relies on a culture of Liberty. We could be right back to slavery in a few generations but every system can shift with the culture, politics is a lagging indicator.

Let's be realistic, hot water can always go cold again. That doesn't mean it's likely though.

I guess his family would take up the torch.

It might be a bit expensive (and risky) to hire a hitman to kill your landlord, premium customer with SecureNeighborhood ltd and ColdRevenge ltd, want you out by the next 3 months.

In a true ancap paradise you can always just form a militia, or hire a PMC if you wanna defend your property rights.

And if that doesn't work? Three words: [spoiler]Privately owned nukes.[/spoiler]

>Anarchism
>Capitalism
Pick 1

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wut

This.

Any system can work with the right people.
But even the best of system can be corrupted.
And in between the two, there's a series of compromises to make it work despite the wrong people being part of it.

Ancap can work if we are talking about tight-knit communities looking first and foremost about building peaceful homes for their families.
It stops working once there's a big enough bunch of assholes that decide they can just bully others, take their shit and ride the easy life.

Only exist because of state intervention
>Hiring a hitman in a society where people can own anything under a nuke
>Forming a state in a society where people can own anything under a nuke

Buy from someone else. It's not like anyone would be forcing you to pay anything

The reason Ancap doesn't work is because it has not successfully replaced the state yet.

In order for the free market to not just be usurped by another state, it has to be the one to make the state obsolete.

What does this mean? Go out there and invent things that can replace the state,

Mises used logic and deductive reasoning to work out a complete model for a free society. Rothbard did not improve on Mises by adopting anarchism, he removed the cornerstone to the entire model! He made an egregious error by removing the state and presuming the existence of law without any authorities.

In the absence of government, private property rights do not win by default. Every faction would have their own ideas about what the rules of society should be. Many people would forcefully refuse to respect private property. Instead of being "private," all property would become contested.

what do you mean? there is literally fucking nothing stopping someone making an army to take lands so he can make a nation.

Anarcho - anything is doomed to failure. What is to stop, say, a group of Sup Forumsacks from grouping together and subjugating others and forming our own kingdom(s)?

Its means you and your fucking army will get fucking killed buddy

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Adam Smith's definition of monopoly: The privilege of a legal barrier to competition, such as a license or franchise. This can be simplified to being “A grant (Funds or products given or allowed) from the state”. Therefore, to compete with a monopolist, is to go against the state.

nothing, if you don't violate the NAP you're free to do it in ancap.

before you go on, Violating the NAP gets you sued, thrown in private prison or killed.

ancap is literally a stone cold retards fever dream that can never work

dude no, its an ancap system. people are probably too busy killing each other for a fucking burger or something. So while the plebs do that, the smart and manipulative people(da joooooooos) create a fucking nation and the plebs can't possibly refuse the fucking offer, because its a chance to live in a place where you won't get killed for your fucking burger or something. Eventually all the plebs would have joined into the nation, and boom you have a non ancap state.

You're a retard.
>people can own any weapon
>for some reason the people working together would lose
lel
This also sounds like a great way to destroy all life on earth.
Hold on a minute you faggot. Who arbitrates the law if there is no government? Why should I have any faith in some mccorporation judge?

So, let's talk about roads,
Let's assume I own all land and all roads around your city, and airport too. I set Toll one way small car $1,000,000,000,000,000
What you gonna do, you fucking loser slave?

yah with your hired "gang", which other people will also have their own hired "gangs" you will fight it out amongst yourselves for control and whoever wins will take more peoples shit because they can until guess what they take over an area large to be a "state", evolution it's a thing you fucking morons. States didn't magically appear because a council of decided they were cool and trendy half wits, they evolved organically because they were needed, how delusional and stupid does someone have to be to not understand this?

I imagine it'd be something like PUBG irl

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Agree with this 100%.

>whats a armed uprising


>The private security and private defense forces. You trust em because if they start jewing you you stop paying them and report them to media so they go fucking bankrupt

>there is absolutely no way at all that Ancap can fail. It is literally a fucking perfect flawless system.

Gee I wonder what chosen user is behind this post.

> Let's assume I own all land and all roads around your city
You won't I've already come up with the Free Movement Pty Ltd which buy at least 1 parcel of land on the edge of town to provide both free & paid access to and from a town/city. Sometimes large sometimes small, but always in conjunction with businesses & communities. Not to mention free market defense systems, don't even try shit cunt, you'd be fucked.

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Yeah, right, just like you have alternative to google, faggot.
Keep dreaming.

>Go out there and invent things that can replace the state

No need to, in a market system the state would be replaced by massive corporations and monopolies, which would be mostly owned by Jews. Ancap is code for complete Jewish domination

What is to stop these private security and defense forces from forming their own defacto government? What I am saying is that your anarchist civilization will eventually evolve into a tribalist one, forming ever larger until you are right back where you started. Might makes right.

See pic for a more realistic image.

>Someday USA becomes fully ancap
>Mexico invades USA to retake their clay
>Murica gibs it without a shot because army is for statists.

I havent heard a single good argument for ancap. its a stupid belief system.

Tip the toll worker more than you pay him to not mention I went through.

Except for the part where powerful people naturally come together and ally themselves, combining their efforts and form governments.

It's certainly the simplest to write down.

I buy all the land around your parcel of land and offer to sell it to you for 100x the cost.

>there is absolutely no way at all that Ancap can fail. It is literally a fucking perfect flawless system.

Thats true.
Ok xept one : obviously many ppl are way to indoctribated or outright stupid to get that; rhat, what deems totally simple and utmost natural for us enlightened ancap ppl.

WE are much like the ppl who founded the US. Very different like all those statists / socialists, who cant even build a road without a führer or government ( so pathetic).

Name one utility only Google provides.

this

Ancap is a kike psyops to create environment of atomized materialistic goyim where jewish diaspora will thrive like nowhere else.

Free market defense systems would kick in because that would allow another security company to earn massive profits from all the people needing protection from the unlawfuly enacted government. In fact, the very action of going against the free market incentivizes opposition, as the more effort they put into taking freedoms from the population the more profitable it becomes to protect freedoms.

fucking lol. You can't stop governments from forming you brainlet. You can be Ancap all you want, it won't stop others from combining forces and running over your ass to build a government.

People will have no need at all for government, trying to start one will get you killed

>Be founder and owner of a security company
>Have thousands of well-trained soldiers
>Earn money by performing protection to the customers
>Begin to attack other people, kill them and take their property.
>Sell the property, hire more soldiers and increase their quality of equipment, rinse and repeat
>Soon, only people that buy my premium neighborhood watch security package, can live in peace, everyone else will live in the fear of my army coming for them.

Our world is based upon military might, numbers and equipment are the measurement of this might.
Free-individuals can only remain free, if they themselves form these armies.

Ok. And if the government formed is more powerful than you, how will you stop it?

>get noticed by other security companies
>get noticed by media
>Other security companies threaten action against you if you don't cease NAP violations
>Continue LARPing as warlord
>media exposes you and every conection you have cuts ties with you resulting in massive loss of profit
>loss your company, spend rest of life rotting in private prison

>implying jews can survive without their government enforced banking monopoly
Without the federal reserve. jewish domination is impossible.

Implying it gets that far, war. At this point any threat to a persons freedom given to them under Ancap would be met with violence

>A privately owned land secured by a private milita
>totally anarchy
>what is feudalism ?
>what is a state ?

What is food?

Except for the part that it was invented by Jews to justify extracting all of the wealth of Americans.

See

privately owned nukes

lol.

It's just not gonna happen guys. "Government" is a very abstract concept to be honest. Any agreement or cohesion between powerful and influential people becomes the government. And if they are strong enough to enforce their will, it's over. You can't enforce Ancap through sheer force of will without becoming your own form of tyrannical government.

>one person buys all the water in a given country
>charges everyone a premium for it
>cant do anything about it because muh NAP
>if you do anything about it you violate the NAP and the guy who bought all the water gets off scot free anyway
no flaws you say?

If no one is having a gun pointed at their head to fund a group of savages that do nothing but fuck up and point make arbitrary rules; then its not a government.

I think you should educate yourself on the NAP and come back mate.

How are you enforcing your commie system either?

All these "an-cap" larping douche bags don't seem to "get" that without fear of the police, the multi-culti elements in wonderful diversity would hunt you down and eat you as meat within a week.

"An-cap." Your mother's ass. Even with the ZOG now, can barely control the nigger problem. I despise you meme flag larping scumbags. You've ruined this place. May you die violently and painfully in a ditch and may god damn your souls to hell.

Nah I buy connections between communities. It's all rather simple & logical if you think about it, I'm going to be quite wealthy.

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>company gets big
>an-capistan, no police or govornment
>Hired mercenaries to McNuke(tm) your competitors
>you now have a monopoly

You people are retarded

Full anarchy turns totalitarian pretty fast.
>Government can't stop new governments forming since muh government intervention

there is no conflict with what i stated and the given rules of the NAP. so long as the water or whatever natural resource remains "affordable", nothing has been done to violate the NAP. as long as the poorest person can afford to drink nothing is technically wrong, even if continuing to buy said water would cause him to remain poor forever. the NAP also doesnt dictate who can and cannot own a natural resource, only that it must be available to everyone, and that it is not tampered with in any way that would adversely affect anyone. im not sure what more educating you think i need, maybe a link? either way, there isnt a conflict with what i said, and the NAP as far as im aware

Where do roads come from?

the point is that that is the gateway to infringe on the rights of individuals by the government ... by convincing them only the government can protect their property rights .... this is how libertarianism in the US fell the first time

crowdfunding for people who want roads or businesses make roads to make it easier for them. or collect cash through lotteries, that way its not theft.

but im more for a small government and a max tax of 10% on everyone, and the rest free markets, peace (not anti war), tolerance, individualism

Awesome

muh roads

Ancaps, explain to me how an ancap system wouldn't just devolve into tribalism, with everyone expending all their energy trying to keep onto their possessions by force?

Also how do you get any stability to enjoy life and material wealth? Nobody would be able to be content with a place littered with small private individuals horde up in their land because at any moment a group of families could form a temporary coalition and smash your security and take it all. Therefore it'd necessitate people forming long term super structures of coalitions or families, and then that's heading towards something like a nation anyway.

Unless I've fundamentally misunderstood ancap, then no, just libertarianism seems more desirable for me. I'd rather pay into a small state to guarantee or near-guarantee my stuff by enforcing property rights, so that I can focus on enjoying the rest of my wealth. If I have to spend the entirety of my time protecting my stuff, I don't see how that's good either for individuals or human progress.

But what if your road needs to cross someone else's road, and they refuse to allow you to make an intersection with their road for whatever reason. (profits, or because they just don't like you)

your neighbourhood working together or dealing with shit roads ... ones in the center of the city would be local businesses which would have to essentially purchase roads for which would be an advantage to own because of it being considered charity to the community as well as a good way to advertise .... plus allows a flow of customers into the store ... the real hard part would be organizing street signage of intersections of two owned roads ... or making people obey the private security they might have for their roads .... and it not spiralling out of control to point of owning town or city

>devolve into tribalism

Wow that’s the point thanks

I love these retards that think that "crowd funding" won't just evolve naturally into a tax.

do you even crowdfund, comrade?

Our government is complete trash, yes. It's totally lost its way and needs to end. A government will form after that, however. It's inevitable, and it needs to be the right one. I like NatSoc intertwined with an ethnostate. Trying to maintain Ancap will prove futile. We might as well pick the one that seems most promising rather than leave it up to fate (which got us to this disgusting period of human history).

1.No taxes, No inflation, You are already 6 times than you do now
2. with your new found wealth you pay someone else to protect you in the form of private security, private millitary, if you don't like them stop paying them.
3. Forming any form of involuntary hierarchy would be equivalent to treason and treated by such.

Do you live in this reality?

Consistently paying for a necessity is a hassle, especially when it's not something for you personally. People set up payment plans and then suddenly you're paying a set amount at a set date. That's taxes.

Retard.

>3. Forming any form of involuntary hierarchy would be equivalent to treason and treated by such.
Treason towards who though.
And who's going to stop them?
That's the thing with governments... once it's made and enforced, you can't really do anything about it unless you organize yourself as well... as a defacto government. You could all agree to break up the "government" once you defeat the other one (lol), but that would require everyone to agree.

The difference is you get the opportunity to be more conscious of the service being provided.

You can see the alternatives, you know the rules, the framework, what to expect, what your recourse is, you can withdraw funding, they don't claim to be above you and your property.

The difference is the state & taxes are obfuscated, nobody knows exactly wtf they're paying for, there are no alternatives, it is not voluntary, you can't withdraw money and there is no real recourse besides voting & revolution.

Too often people here equate and merge concepts, that just because something completely different to a state is providing a service then it automatically makes it a state.

We recognize certain functions are important, it's the manner in which they're provided and their structure that we want done differently.

it was banter, friendo
I share your position

Stop chasing unicorns

All this talk of crowdfunding and working together reminds me of taxes and communism.