Well done Britain

>Brexit will be a good idea they said

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Theres more to Brexit than value. That was always going to happen and we knew when we voted

>brexit
HAHAHAHA

So how do you think it is going to go for these poor areas now that there is a Tory government and there will be no more EU subsidies?

What went wrong?

SECOND POOREST!
>WOOOOOOO!

This. Migrant scum that came only for bennies will flee for greener pastures like locusts after devouring a field of crops. We know Brexit is going to be but long term gain is the game plan. Just a decade from now, the continent will be ravaged by millions of unwashed brown dicks.

You print some GBP and make some roads, you think the EUR did it any different?

>More money is more important than being a free country

Why do people keep making this awful argument?

Because the South East of England is the only good part
But it also has the growing cancer known as London

please help lads im but a scruffy little urchin and i ain't got enough shortenin' to even spread on a toast sandwich

pic related is why we are poor.

>w-we're free now!

It's not

Do brits know the EU is a democratically elected body? If being in the EU isn't free, so is being in London.

Would rather eat grass than be a Eurocuck.

Lol, the fuck Groningen doing in this list?

Its a literal shithole.

Gas fields

>What went wrong?
Not sending all Germans to Russia after ww2.

>that income inequality

O-oy vey the value of the pound fell!

Maybe we can export now

Yes we're free from the many obligations and demands the European commission is making for the other EU States.

Freedom of Movement
Financial Contributions to prop up economically weaker states
EU Army
Further political integration
Balkanisation and regionalisation
Free from Brussels Centralisation and federalism that undermines our national interests
Free from restrictions on our ability to legislate within our own parliament
Free from fishing and farming regulations that harmed us for the benefit of other EU states
Free to trade with whatever country we want

Just because you vote doesn't mean you're free for example look at the Soviet Union. The parliament is a token body that has no real power, the commission draws up all the legislation and passes it down to the parliament, if they vote against it the commission will keep drawing the bill until it gets accepted. The commission is not elected. Also see above.

>Maybe we can export now

Export what, dental plaque?

Democracy only makes sense if you identify with the rest of the electorate, at least in some general way. If you don't care about the welfare, ideals or aims of, say, the Poles, then any shared government is obviously going to be one of antagonism - i.e. a fight over resources and direction, divided not by ideology but by ethnicity. This is the fundamental point of nationalism. A public will not sacrifice or compromise if it does not identify on the whole with the rest of the electorate. Splitting the public with immigrants of different religion and politics similarly divides a nation.

Britis don't identify as Europeans. You're the continentals. Therefore we won't accept the compromises necessary for a European wide democracy to work. Every time we lose on an issue we will see it as the rest of the EU taking our rights and sovereignty away.

We don't stick up a massive fuck off union jack and tell the Welsh to be good goys

That's after 40+ years of EU.
You can post the Brexit stats in 2059.

The commission is elected by the Council of the European Union and subsequently approved by the EU Parliament. The Council itself is made up of the minister of each government.

As someone living in the top 5 I can tell you that this means absolutely nothing.

I'm from Staffordshire and we are not poor. Everyone I know has like two or three holidays a year. Rent is low, I can live comfortably working in a shop, invest in crypto as a hobby and have a gaming laptop just to shitpost. I also have quicker tinternet than 95% of Americans.

Haha what? The default state of democracy is a two party system where one side hates the other.

As someone in one of the bottom 10, can confirm. Plenty of money round here. If anything it's better than rich areas as cost of living is lower.

Northern England and Cornwall have always been the poorest parts of Britain. Northern England is mostly rural with farms (with a couple of cities like Leeds and Sheffield) where Cornwall has no cities or industry and survives on tourism.

56mb here. You beat that?

That's not right because as you can see in that map the very rural North Yorkshire is substantially more well off than the more urban areas in the north.

200mb :)

Rural market town here 80/20, I hope one day we get gigabit internet but I doubt that for at least 10 years.

And that's based on what? Class and economics and ideology. But everyone within a traditional society identifies as a countryman who wants the best for his other fellow countrymen, even if they disagree on what that best is. It's only (((Communists))) who believe loyalties to ones class should cross national boundaries.

pic related to

Just proof of exactly why staying in the EU was a bad idea. We've fucked these areas.

Person who did this shit clearly doesn't know the meaning of word North.

Maybe we can work out how to build a road without having to give the money to the EU and get back 50%. Hell, we might even figure out how to build two roads with the same amount of money!

>conflating 2015 data with brexit
Into the trash.

you fool, Britain has been in for decades, what your pic shows is the RESULT of being in the EU .
We haven't left yet you fucking idiot.
It just shows how being in the EU isnt working for us at all.
Saved, thanks.

Its very little based on class and economics, the average wages and status of both sides aren't very different.

Yes everyone says they want the best for their countrymen. And they'll also say they want what's best for other countries. But this is irrelevant - in practice nationally or internationally each unit tries to gain advantage over others. Democrats for example vote for more welfare at the expense of the higher income earners. Democracy still works because there is a system that ensures that changes in government policy and social disagreements are settled peacefully. Brexit is just breaking up this system for illusions of sovereignity.

>The people we vote for get to select from a preselected group of individuals who then get to select other individuals who never seem to change who hold the true executive power

Typical Soviet trickery

france is kind of both, switzerland should be in there, but i see norway isnt.
this is probably propaganda
>In Northern Europe
>conflates EU machine with europe as a continent.

It's not just roads that the EU helped fund. Go walk past your nearest fibre broadband green box. Check the label, if it's BT like around where I live it will say "funded by the European union blah blah blah".

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Yeah it's not a great map, cutting off half of Denmark for one but it's meant to be EU countries in the north as southern and eastern countries are vastly poorer as the other map I posted in this thread shows, it should say "northern EU countries".

When we stop giving them billions of pounds each year, perhaps we'll be able to invest in our infrastructure ourselves instead of letting them kindly give our own money back to us.

Do you not realize that's how all existing democracies work? Do you think the people select the candidates? It's all done by the parties. If you object to this system you object to British democracy.

The Tories need to be told where to invest or they are just going to keep all the money in London and the South East.

Not exactly the same, since the people actually have a direct vote for their local MP who in turn holds the executive power of a vote on legislation. These people can also be voted out of power if they displease the people.

In the EU system it is twice removed by two tiers of bureaucracy. It weighs much more heavily to the favour of a. The key influential individuals in the EU project, and the Heads of States of each member state. Rather than the vote of the normal people.

British Democracy is shit too, but not as overtly Soviet as the EU system is.

I like how France is northern Europe, but also southern Europe and western Europe

FPTP is superior to list PR for this reason alone, if an MP has done something unpopular they can be booted out at the next election regardless of their position in the party, this has happened plenty of times before, if they are list PR EU parliament style if they are 1st or 2nd on the list they are getting in and there is nothing you can do about it.

>they are just going to keep all the money in London and the South East.

It's the private sector that does that. The Tories have been investing a lot more up north than they think e.g. Hull. The problem is that all these foreigners have come and are coming to the south-east almost exclusively. My rural area on the outskirts of London has to build tens of thousands of new houses on green belt land for them.

If I was a lawmaker I would immediately put a massive levy tax on building houses in the south-east, offer tax incentives for companies to move to Manchester, Liverpool, Hull etc, borrow and invest in the HS3 proposal to connect the Liverpool to east coast corridor and rejuvenate the shit out of it. London has become a cancerous growth, sucking all the wealth and talent from the rest of the country while claiming to produce all of it. It is a circlejerk of lawyers (myself included), accountants and property moguls that keep regurgitating the same shit into each others' mouths.

Thanks for reading.

Its our money you nonce.

> tfw 6th on poorest area
> have a farm with acres and acres of land
> rivers trees and wild game
> regularly make 250+k a year
I'm apparently poor according to some chart.

>mfw literally live in the very centre of number 1
Not even kidding.

Implying they weren't poor the entire time we were in the EU, retard?

It's about moving the wealth out of London and back to the ethnic Britons.

Nice job retard.

That's not true many Eastern Europeans have moved to parts of Britain that are not London or the south-east, I'd challenge you to find one town with a population over 15,000 that does not have some eastern Euro grocery shop, they are everywhere. If HS3 is built HS2 will be built also which will suck yet more talent into London leaving the North as either cheap housing or shit hole towns with no decent jobs at all, the rest I agree with you though.

Hands up who would rather live in any of the blue locations.

8.9. or 2 please, I've lived near Munich before it was nice.

So how will your life be better post-Brexit exactly? Inb4 le depression of wages meme that has been debunked time and time again by every major study.

We know for a fact that EU citizens as a whole contribute more to the UK than they take. So I assume you're talking about non-EU citizens, so how exactly will Brexit have any affect on this? Also

>muh great replacement

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Isn't real.

We spend £8.4bn a year on EU membership which relative to what we spend on health, defense, pensions, etc it's downright minuscule. For that we get freedom of trade, movement, and finances, centralised regulatory controls and unified rules, all of which together have an estimated economic benefit of £40bn-£90bn per year. We get more from EU membership than we put in.

Funnily enough, what the other user was talking about has already come to pass. Do you honestly expect the Tories to subsidise the poor parts of the UK like the EU are doing? The entire reason they're getting those subsidies and projects in the first place is because our government don't give a shit.

The money we will free up not paying into the EU will be more than likely spent replicating EU institutions like nuclear regulation. That's why Wales and Cornwall was in the paper recently distressed that their major projects were withering on the vine without EU funding and the UK government isn't going to pay for it because we don't have the budget.

Correct.

Enjoy fighting Russia for your EU army that some brainlets still believe won't happen (it will).

You are right about HS2, it isn't going to encourage anyone to go up north, it is going to fuck the north and suck any remaining talent down towards the south-east. That was George "Fuck The Poor" Osborne's stupid vanity project.

>eastern Europeans have moved to parts of Britain that are not London or the south-east

Oh I know, I was being slightly hyperbolic. Absolutely shit loads in parts of Yorkshire, Lincolnshire and the major cities for instance. It's a major reason why Leave won. Turns out Poland, Romania and Bulgaria aren't sending us their best.

A massive number of them are in the south-east though. This is 7 years out of date by the way.

>withering on the vine without EU funding

The fact that they've cut funding while we're still paying into their coffers is an absolute disgrace.

It's like this partly because of the EU. You are stupid.
Hang yourself

we northern now

This is why I need to move out of the Southeast

>The fact that they've cut funding while we're still paying into their coffers is an absolute disgrace.

They haven't. It's the projects that go beyond the year 2021 that they're worried about.

>Implying Britain will exist in 2059

kek

Then we should stop funding anything that might be of use to the European Union in the future, such as medical advances, protecting French agriculture through the CAP etc.

Lol, the reason these poor areas are even getting subsidies from the EU is because our government don't give a shit. Also so now the destruction of our manufacturing industries are the fault of the EU? Wow, why did the EU pick on us, when the rest of the continent still actually fucking manufacturer stuff.

The poorest areas of the UK were propped up by EU funding, but sure thing. I suppose avoiding some potholes will make me more alert.

Number six reporting

The EU has always acted as a protectionist vehicle for German industry. Meanwhile Britain fucked itself in the 1970s due to mass-strike actions and chaos in unprofitable sectors.

How long ago was Brexit?

How long have these places on the map existed for?

You're the stupidest stupid that ever stupided up the stupid house if you unironically believe these places were economic powerhouses before brexit. You're probably another profoundly ordinary person whose just following along with everything on the TV.

London is number one, was that because of Brexit?
No, numbnuts. It's because all the banks are there and love it there in their own little city inside the city.

Yes, let's stop all of our agreed commitments because we decided to randomly leave the biggest economic bloc on the planet and make ourselves poorer. That will for sure show other countries on the international stage that we aren't a liability to trade and partner with.

>Yes, let's stop all of our agreed commitments

Yeah except this isn't happening, was never happening and won't happen and you're falling for pre Brexit fearmongering, propped up by it also massaging your ego saying "you're smarter than the Brexiteers!".

You got played, you're getting played.

>That will for sure show other countries on the international stage that we aren't a liability to trade and partner with.

Oh god I'm cringing, how long do you think the UK has been a trading power, shit for brains. Here's a hint, it's longer than you've been alive and it's reputation is based on that, not your precious vote which went the wrong way just recently.
I bet you unironically think Brexit is the worst thing to ever happen to the UK.

wew

>Brits still think they're an empire
kek
Someone post that webm of 10 Britbong cops getting BTFO by 1 mudslime.

>agreed commitments

Show me the contractual clauses. For some we should continue paying, but not all. Only what we have explicitly signed up, and only if the EU stops fucking us in research funding like petulant children.

>randomly

It had twenty years of build up as neoliberal idealistic champagne socialists in Twickenham forgot that a world existed outside of the M25.

>biggest economic bloc

You realise that we can still trade with them, right?

>make ourselves poorer

Everyone knew this. We had the IMF, World Bank, Prime Minister and President of the U.S telling us this would happen. People didn't give a shit. The only thing that makes migrants fuck off is a slower economy and weaker pound.

>That will for sure show other countries on the international stage that we aren't a liability to trade and partner with.

These nations know that the British are fastidious in their willingness to adhere to contracts and agreements. It's why English law still gets used in major financial centres all over the world. If the EU failed to get semi-decent lawyers to write up their agreements with us, then that is their problem.

You've been taken in by a myth. Britain is European, but we have never been the same as continentals. If you want to subsume yourself into the mass then go and move to Lodz or somewhere like that, and see how far your European identity will take you.

But the local MPs you vote for are pre selected candidates from a certain party. EU Parliament has the ability to veto. The ability of only the twice indirectly elected to introduce is the only different thing which is still pretty similar to the UK because legislations proposed by the British MPs need to go through the cabinet or advisors who are indirectly elected to even be voted on if I'm not wrong. Granted it is slightly different because the indirectly voted people have proposal power in the EU and veto power in the UK.

You can elect a head of state to remove the relevant minister from getting on the commission

Hello neighbor, Derbyshire here.

Yes because that is going to be everyone's number 1 priority.

>having to elect a head of state to get rid of one commission member

wew lad you are just playing into their soviet accusing hands with statements like that.

>legislations proposed by the British MPs need to go through the cabinet or advisors who are indirectly elected

The Cabinet is made up almost entirely of directly elected Members of Parliament.

The unelected part of our system, the House of Lords, only have the power to temporarily stall legislation - not to outright veto it.

your vote goes further in national elections than in european elections, if you don't get this then kys

>Yeah except this isn't happening, was never happening and won't happen and you're falling for pre Brexit fearmongering,


What are you talking about? This is literally the basis of the entire Brexit "Divorce Bill". Paying for projects we have previously committed to.

>UK has been a trading power, shit for brains.

We aren't a trading power anymore. We have countries all over the world looking at us making this big mistake and asking why we would do such a thing. Japan, Canada, China, etc are all mystified as to why we're doing this.

this map could be over 1,000 years old. so it has long been. why didn't EU fix this?

>believing everything you see in a picture
>no sources

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